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29.0.50; Scrolling aborts "repunctuate-sentences"

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From: Rudolf Adamkovič <salutis <at> me.com>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 29.0.50; Scrolling aborts "repunctuate-sentences"
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2021 20:34:27 +0100

1. Open a longer document containing prose.
2. Type "M-x repunctuate-sentences RET".
3. Use the mouse scroll-wheel to scroll.

Expected:

"repunctuate-sentences" does not abort, like it does not abort when the user types "C-v".

Actual:

"repunctuate-sentences" aborts, making it hard to review the entire document.


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-- 
"Logic is a science of the necessary laws of thought, without which no employment of the understanding and the reason takes place." -- Immanuel Kant, 1785

Rudolf Adamkovič <salutis <at> me.com>
Studenohorská 25
84103 Bratislava
Slovakia

[he/him]

Message #8 received at 52082 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Rudolf Adamkovič <salutis <at> me.com>
Cc: 52082 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#52082: 29.0.50; Scrolling aborts "repunctuate-sentences"
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2021 22:03:29 +0200

> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2021 20:34:27 +0100
> From:  Rudolf Adamkovič via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs,
>  the Swiss army knife of text editors" <bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org>
> 
> 
> 1. Open a longer document containing prose.
> 2. Type "M-x repunctuate-sentences RET".
> 3. Use the mouse scroll-wheel to scroll.
> 
> Expected:
> 
> "repunctuate-sentences" does not abort, like it does not abort when the user types "C-v".
> 
> Actual:
> 
> "repunctuate-sentences" aborts, making it hard to review the entire document.

This command invokes query-replace-regexp, so it only accepts inputs
that query-replace accepts.  Why is that a problem, and why did you
have those expectations when the prompt clearly indicates that Emacs
is in query-replace-regexp?

Message #11 received at 52082 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Rudolf Adamkovič <salutis <at> me.com>
Cc: 52082 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#52082: 29.0.50; Scrolling aborts "repunctuate-sentences"
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2021 09:24:55 +0200

[Please use Reply All to keep the bug tracker on the CC list.]

> From: Rudolf Adamkovič <salutis <at> me.com>
> Cc: 
> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2021 23:32:16 +0100
> 
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:
> 
> > This command invokes query-replace-regexp, so it only accepts inputs
> > that query-replace accepts.  Why is that a problem, and why did you
> > have those expectations when the prompt clearly indicates that Emacs
> > is in query-replace-regexp?
> 
> Wait, is that something unusual?
> 
> 1. start "repunctuate-sentences"
> 2. fix some sentences
> 3. press C-v to scroll up
> 4. fix some more sentences
> 5. move the scroll-wheel to scroll up a bit more
> 
> Should I expect 5 to abort for some reason?

You should instead do it as you'd do in the middle of a query-replace:
either type 'q' or RET to exit the replace loop and do something else,
then reinvoke the command; or type 'C-r' to enter recursive-edit,
where you can do whatever you want, including scrolling with mouse
wheel, then exit recursive-edit with C-M-c to continue fixing the
punctuation.

Once again, this command invokes query-replace-regexp, so the behavior
is that of query-replace-regexp, as documented in the manual.

Message #14 received at 52082 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Rudolf Adamkovič <salutis <at> me.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 52082 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#52082: 29.0.50; Scrolling aborts "repunctuate-sentences"
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2021 00:08:12 +0100

Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:

> You should instead do it as you'd do in the middle of a query-replace:
> either type 'q' or RET to exit the replace loop and do something else,
> then reinvoke the command; or type 'C-r' to enter recursive-edit,
> where you can do whatever you want, including scrolling with mouse
> wheel, then exit recursive-edit with C-M-c to continue fixing the
> punctuation.
>
> Once again, this command invokes query-replace-regexp, so the behavior
> is that of query-replace-regexp, as documented in the manual.

Wow! That makes scrolling (with the mouse, not with the keyboard) into rocket science! I searched "(emacs) Query Replace" for "C-v" (scroll-up-command) and found nothing. Then, ignoring /status quo/ for a moment, do you think the current behavior makes sense? I ask because I struggle to find a reason for not allowing the user to scroll with the mouse specifically.

Rudy
-- 
"Logic is a science of the necessary laws of thought, without which no employment of the understanding and the reason takes place." -- Immanuel Kant, 1785

Rudolf Adamkovič <salutis <at> me.com>
Studenohorská 25
84103 Bratislava
Slovakia

[he/him]

Message #17 received at 52082 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Rudolf Adamkovič <salutis <at> me.com>
Cc: 52082 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#52082: 29.0.50; Scrolling aborts "repunctuate-sentences"
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2021 08:31:52 +0200

> From: Rudolf Adamkovič <salutis <at> me.com>
> Cc: 52082 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2021 00:08:12 +0100
> 
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:
> 
> > You should instead do it as you'd do in the middle of a query-replace:
> > either type 'q' or RET to exit the replace loop and do something else,
> > then reinvoke the command; or type 'C-r' to enter recursive-edit,
> > where you can do whatever you want, including scrolling with mouse
> > wheel, then exit recursive-edit with C-M-c to continue fixing the
> > punctuation.
> >
> > Once again, this command invokes query-replace-regexp, so the behavior
> > is that of query-replace-regexp, as documented in the manual.
> 
> Wow! That makes scrolling (with the mouse, not with the keyboard) into rocket science!

It does?

> I searched "(emacs) Query Replace" for "C-v" (scroll-up-command) and found nothing. Then, ignoring /status quo/ for a moment, do you think the current behavior makes sense? I ask because I struggle to find a reason for not allowing the user to scroll with the mouse specifically.

If you are asking for a new feature, which would allow scrolling
during query-replace commands, then maybe it would make sense, I don't
know.  (I personally probably wouldn't use it much, or not at all.)
As long as we agree that this isn't a bug but a feature request, I'm
fine with leaving this wait for a motivated individual to implement
such a feature.

Message #20 received at 52082 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen <at> web.de>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 52082 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Rudolf Adamkovič <salutis <at> me.com>
Subject: Re: bug#52082: 29.0.50; Scrolling aborts "repunctuate-sentences"
Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2021 10:47:54 +0100

Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:

> If you are asking for a new feature, which would allow scrolling
> during query-replace commands, then maybe it would make sense, I don't
> know.

Could be as useful as in isearch.  Maybe it could be implemented
similarly or reuse that code?

For the record: binding mouse keys in `query-replace-map' like

#+begin_src emacs-lisp
(dolist (key `([,mouse-wheel-down-event] [,mouse-wheel-up-event]))
  (define-key query-replace-map key #'mwheel-scroll))
#+end_src

does _not_ work, because lookup in that map by the current code is
performed like

(lookup-key [(down-mouse-5
             (#<window 62 on *scratch*> 1587 (1115 . 228) ...))])
  --> nil

i.e. what is currently looked up is an event, not a key.


Michael.

Message #23 received at 52082 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Rudolf Adamkovič <salutis <at> me.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 52082 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#52082: 29.0.50; Scrolling aborts "repunctuate-sentences"
Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2021 00:06:19 +0100

Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:

>> That makes scrolling […] into rocket science!
>
> It does?

For a beginner, yes. But then, I often exaggerate. :)

> As long as we agree that this isn't a bug but a feature request, I'm
> fine with leaving this wait for a motivated individual to implement
> such a feature.

A bug, a feature, … who knows? But sure, let us call it a feature.

Thank you for understanding!

Rudy
-- 
"'Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, 'if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic.'" -- Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking Glass

Rudolf Adamkovič <salutis <at> me.com>
Studenohorská 25
84103 Bratislava
Slovakia

[he/him]

Message #26 received at 52082 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Rudolf Adamkovič <salutis <at> me.com>
Cc: 52082 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#52082: 29.0.50; Scrolling aborts "repunctuate-sentences"
Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2021 08:02:40 +0200

severity 52082 wishlist
thanks

> From: Rudolf Adamkovič <salutis <at> me.com>
> Cc: 52082 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2021 00:06:19 +0100
> 
> A bug, a feature, … who knows? But sure, let us call it a feature.

Done.

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