From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Nov 24 01:54:46 2021 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Nov 2021 06:54:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52831 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mpmB4-0005kp-7C for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 01:54:46 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:51552) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mpmB0-0005kc-Kp for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 01:54:45 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:33008) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mpmAz-00073R-TZ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 01:54:42 -0500 Received: from devianza.investici.org ([198.167.222.108]:46553) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mpmAw-000680-HK for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 01:54:41 -0500 Received: from mx2.investici.org (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by devianza.investici.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4HzWvl0ZwBz6vJd for ; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 06:54:27 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=inventati.org; s=stigmate; t=1637736867; bh=cbkO2et0NwnARF0E0QTVIF1bzXx3Ar7hNfO7TSGZUZc=; h=To:Subject:From:Date:From; b=mLZVrhlqyon5dlYdCoQe0B0T4YVesCw2O0Wt+ziS1k+jox6Zc0JrOVQJoTNU5Nl+o z+RrQRixTvWWalILUh6Xi7Yz7io4KXk6l2rxqj46voYn98jsOXiGgbfS8tx3VRIeMw yaj2VRGp7ONw33JXScf6Suf/Up7BIePmhrvHxsNw= Received: from [198.167.222.108] (mx2.investici.org [198.167.222.108]) (Authenticated sender: manuel.uberti@inventati.org) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4HzWvk6kVyz6vHw for ; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 06:54:26 +0000 (UTC) To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 29.0.50; Add key binding for find-library From: Manuel Uberti Message-ID: <8cbad051-6fa0-958a-d2a6-4ba1ab1b7361@inventati.org> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2021 07:54:25 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: pass client-ip=198.167.222.108; envelope-from=manuel.uberti@inventati.org; helo=devianza.investici.org X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) Hello everyone, I was just wondering if to anyone other than me it would make sense to have a default key binding for find-library. This is something I use regularly to explore the source code of built-in features and external packages to understand more about them. In my init.el, I have this setting: (keymap-global-set "C-h C-l" #'find-library) I picked this key binding for mnemonic reasons (h -> help, l -> library) and because 'C-h C-l' seems to be unbound in emacs -Q. What do you think? -- Manuel Uberti www.manueluberti.eu In GNU Emacs 29.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.18, cairo version 1.16.0) of 2021-11-24 built on hathaway Repository revision: d112c75f53c690e6f13ec3b340dbc384425bb04d Repository branch: master Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12009000 System Description: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS Configured using: 'configure --with-harfbuzz --with-native-compilation' Configured features: ACL CAIRO DBUS FREETYPE GIF GLIB GMP GNUTLS GPM GSETTINGS HARFBUZZ JPEG JSON LCMS2 LIBOTF LIBSELINUX LIBSYSTEMD LIBXML2 M17N_FLT MODULES NATIVE_COMP NOTIFY INOTIFY PDUMPER PNG RSVG SECCOMP SOUND THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS X11 XDBE XIM XPM GTK3 ZLIB Important settings: value of $LC_MONETARY: it_IT.UTF-8 value of $LC_NUMERIC: it_IT.UTF-8 value of $LC_TIME: it_IT.UTF-8 value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8 value of $XMODIFIERS: @im=ibus locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: Fundamental Minor modes in effect: electric-pair-mode: t savehist-mode: t global-so-long-mode: t global-subword-mode: t subword-mode: t windmove-mode: t winner-mode: t global-company-mode: t company-mode: t envrc-global-mode: t envrc-mode: t fido-vertical-mode: t icomplete-vertical-mode: t icomplete-mode: t fido-mode: t delete-selection-mode: t tooltip-mode: t global-eldoc-mode: t show-paren-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t window-divider-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t column-number-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Load-path shadows: /home/manuel/.emacs.d/elpa/transient-0.3.7.0.20211105.10020/transient hides /usr/local/share/emacs/29.0.50/lisp/transient Features: (shadow sort mail-extr emacsbug message yank-media rmc puny rfc822 mml mml-sec epa derived epg rfc6068 epg-config gnus-util rmail rmail-loaddefs mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheader sendmail mail-utils completion dos-w32 find-cmd grep find-dired eieio-opt speedbar ezimage dframe shortdoc help-fns radix-tree hl-line ibuf-ext ibuffer ibuffer-loaddefs add-log log-view pcvs-util vc-dir ewoc pp vc-git diff-mode vc vc-dispatcher noutline outline easy-mmode checkdoc lisp-mnt mail-parse rfc2231 rfc2047 rfc2045 mm-util ietf-drums mail-prsvr dired-x dired dired-loaddefs view elec-pair flymake-proc flymake compile text-property-search comint flyspell ispell goto-addr jka-compr cursor-sensor thingatpt find-func time-date modus-vivendi-theme modus-themes delight comp comp-cstr warnings cl-extra help-mode savehist so-long cap-words superword subword windmove winner company-oddmuse company-keywords company-etags etags fileloop generator xref project ring company-gtags company-dabbrev-code company-dabbrev company-files company-clang company-capf company-cmake company-semantic company-template company-bbdb company pcase envrc inheritenv ansi-color icomplete ibuf-macs rx delsel info tex-site package browse-url url url-proxy url-privacy url-expand url-methods url-history url-cookie url-domsuf url-util mailcap url-handlers url-parse auth-source cl-seq eieio eieio-core cl-macs eieio-loaddefs password-cache json map url-vars seq gv subr-x byte-opt bytecomp byte-compile cconv cl-loaddefs cl-lib iso-transl tooltip eldoc paren electric uniquify ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type elisp-mode mwheel term/x-win x-win term/common-win x-dnd tool-bar dnd fontset image regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list replace newcomment text-mode lisp-mode prog-mode register page tab-bar menu-bar rfn-eshadow isearch easymenu timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax font-core term/tty-colors frame minibuffer cl-generic cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese eucjp-ms cp51932 hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese composite emoji-zwj charscript charprop case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev obarray cl-preloaded nadvice button loaddefs faces cus-face macroexp files window text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget keymap hashtable-print-readable backquote threads dbusbind inotify lcms2 dynamic-setting system-font-setting font-render-setting cairo move-toolbar gtk x-toolkit x multi-tty make-network-process native-compile emacs) Memory information: ((conses 16 288911 46166) (symbols 48 18679 1) (strings 32 60963 4075) (string-bytes 1 2148371) (vectors 16 30316) (vector-slots 8 561302 16807) (floats 8 188 703) (intervals 56 677 0) (buffers 992 15)) -- Manuel Uberti www.manueluberti.eu From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Nov 24 02:20:59 2021 Received: (at 52074) by debbugs.gnu.org; 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Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mpmaG-0007WG-WE; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 08:20:51 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Manuel Uberti Subject: Re: bug#52074: 29.0.50; Add key binding for find-library References: <8cbad051-6fa0-958a-d2a6-4ba1ab1b7361@inventati.org> X-Now-Playing: Irreversible Entanglements's _Open The Gates_: "Open the Gates" Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2021 08:20:46 +0100 In-Reply-To: <8cbad051-6fa0-958a-d2a6-4ba1ab1b7361@inventati.org> (Manuel Uberti's message of "Wed, 24 Nov 2021 07:54:25 +0100") Message-ID: <87h7c2vx2p.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Manuel Uberti writes: > I was just wondering if to anyone other than me it would make sense to > have a default key binding for find-library. This is something I use > regularly to explore the source code of built-in featu [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52074 Cc: 52074@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Manuel Uberti writes: > I was just wondering if to anyone other than me it would make sense to > have a default key binding for find-library. This is something I use > regularly to explore the source code of built-in features and external > packages to understand more about them. Yes, it's a useful command, so perhaps we should have a default binding for it. > In my init.el, I have this setting: > > (keymap-global-set "C-h C-l" #'find-library) > > I picked this key binding for mnemonic reasons (h -> help, l -> > library) and because 'C-h C-l' seems to be unbound in emacs -Q. Hm... Finding a library isn't exactly a help command, so I think it would be somewhat confusing to put it there. But I don't have a good suggestion for where to put otherwise. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Nov 24 02:26:17 2021 Received: (at 52074) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Nov 2021 07:26:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52886 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mpmfZ-0000NX-4G for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 02:26:17 -0500 Received: from latitanza.investici.org ([82.94.249.234]:58521) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mpmfW-0000NM-JL for 52074@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 02:26:15 -0500 Received: from mx3.investici.org (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by latitanza.investici.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4HzXcN1dQszGp2y; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 07:26:12 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=inventati.org; s=stigmate; t=1637738772; bh=edVNFIW6vWgbUP9Gh9hMw730cEEJcexEWA+m1Ag9Rf8=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=Sq8mrqTJcYN7+CBpmsATwvAo/r72v39F4XjN4F5yc7sIyxsHQsFywyBkfE10dEc21 ZlLd3FF0WkYmBJzTCZJVaH8A/igGC97zlKo6VJlWwGKs5gGVlrQjPpprF5JZYHehmg cD9Me2609yftk5sJ+KD23tZrAkRIP2oTbVkmrIwI= Received: from [82.94.249.234] (mx3.investici.org [82.94.249.234]) (Authenticated sender: manuel.uberti@inventati.org) by localhost (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4HzXcN0Q9bzGp3r; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 07:26:12 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: bug#52074: 29.0.50; Add key binding for find-library To: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <8cbad051-6fa0-958a-d2a6-4ba1ab1b7361@inventati.org> <87h7c2vx2p.fsf@gnus.org> From: Manuel Uberti Message-ID: <86814524-852c-d65b-cb05-86cc0f274d9b@inventati.org> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2021 08:26:11 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.14.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <87h7c2vx2p.fsf@gnus.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52074 Cc: 52074@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.1 (-) On 24/11/21 08:20, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > Hm... Finding a library isn't exactly a help command, so I think it > would be somewhat confusing to put it there. But I don't have a good > suggestion for where to put otherwise. You're right. What about using a prefix like C-x 7 and add something like: - C-x 7 l for find-library Then these can be considered as well: - C-x 7 f for find-function - C-x 7 v for find-variable -- Manuel Uberti www.manueluberti.eu From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Nov 24 07:01:12 2021 Received: (at 52074) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Nov 2021 12:01:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53377 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mpqxc-0003TE-BQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 07:01:12 -0500 Received: from smtp-1.orcon.net.nz ([60.234.4.34]:55453) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mpqxX-0003T3-Is for 52074@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 07:01:11 -0500 Received: from [10.253.37.70] (port=35522 helo=webmail.orcon.net.nz) by smtp-1.orcon.net.nz with esmtpa (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mpqxK-0001ee-Qs; Thu, 25 Nov 2021 01:00:55 +1300 Received: from ip-115-69-175-77.kinect.net.nz ([115.69.175.77]) via [10.253.37.253] by webmail.orcon.net.nz with HTTP (HTTP/1.1 POST); Thu, 25 Nov 2021 01:00:54 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2021 01:00:54 +1300 From: Phil Sainty To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#52074: 29.0.50; Add key binding for find-library In-Reply-To: <87h7c2vx2p.fsf@gnus.org> References: <8cbad051-6fa0-958a-d2a6-4ba1ab1b7361@inventati.org> <87h7c2vx2p.fsf@gnus.org> Message-ID: X-Sender: psainty@orcon.net.nz User-Agent: Orcon Webmail X-GeoIP: -- X-Spam_score: -2.9 X-Spam_score_int: -28 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52074 Cc: Manuel Uberti , 52074@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On 2021-11-24 20:20, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > Manuel Uberti writes: >> I picked this key binding for mnemonic reasons (h -> help, l -> >> library) and because 'C-h C-l' seems to be unbound in emacs -Q. > > Hm... Finding a library isn't exactly a help command, so I think it > would be somewhat confusing to put it there. But I don't have a good > suggestion for where to put otherwise. Library commentaries are one of the primary sources of documentation in Emacs, so I think it's pretty help-related. FWIW I use this same binding, and in my mind it makes excellent sense to use C-h C-l for `find-library' if you also have: C-h C-v for `find-variable' C-h C-f for `find-function' C-h C-k for `find-function-on-key' All of which feel (to me) analogous to C-h v, C-h f, and C-h k: Without the Ctrl modifier you view the docstrings; with it you view the code. (Admittedly C-h l is unconnected, but that hasn't bothered me. Following my pattern that would probably be bound to `finder-commentary', but I'm not suggesting we move `view-lossage' elsewhere.) I guess my main point is that I do think of *all* of these things as help-related, as I consider reading the code as just the next step up from reading the docstrings. -Phil From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Nov 24 12:16:29 2021 Received: (at 52074) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Nov 2021 17:16:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54861 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mpvsj-0001PT-0s for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 12:16:29 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:59210) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mpvse-0001PB-Hy for 52074@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 12:16:27 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=TR3vr0okTfY+J13Xp2HAC0MNVMno4Cw6rJpnJNwZU7Y=; b=kedHr9Lft8esdEXKYVbNdpwKoN 9i508kkrxWAU1OWDXm13pcEdQ1FcrQoiI3x0WSo920Ugrhec/Z9bj6FL8aDvBV4NYDWvF26LKnZsj 5SvM2U18yZRdZ0/4j8hmoPNYiEBIJ5yTpYbh0ZrZ4eER1jTVCV0l27j+hioe4cevQXAA=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mpvsU-0003sc-HC; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 18:16:17 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Manuel Uberti Subject: Re: bug#52074: 29.0.50; Add key binding for find-library References: <8cbad051-6fa0-958a-d2a6-4ba1ab1b7361@inventati.org> <87h7c2vx2p.fsf@gnus.org> <86814524-852c-d65b-cb05-86cc0f274d9b@inventati.org> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAElBMVEXJyMayr7OWlKBX V2P28xr///9HRQ2EAAAAAWJLR0QF+G/pxwAAAAd0SU1FB+ULGA8LEwQ2sdgAAAG0SURBVDjLrZPr deQwCIWFtwHADRipgYzoYE/6r2kvV35McpJ/y5mxZX1CvFu7RMXMVM+vrb2JgJrhKVbrc88oahJc eN1B5H12SuI/C0isS2szYsFOUCqqVhRXrCvdsYsteCMqTeyUEKfReqjIZR+u2dZON8q9S0HpFZey vt6EQCsi+w5g25AOpdqjWBpCh+Xe1cqDNw/4yR9UgmoVz51E7AB5WHgxebIrfuCh1geve0v7HqUX e97ZvVSYLSGAPj/krVp7hsDJpx4MHu/McD+vKtfX22A7P+qUPxYq9CZb5utLH+hKraK0syokzRY5 Tq25ZyrbZx3c4mynHJnHA2yfKvQgIVPuQtmKl2HMnMjyfmugA2ox8gBoMp6Oseoqz/zY42iSdCWu giK8MbeM9ie/1Xpkz8gJmzeIar8OlyrEGASXEQ+HQskFgl1A7gR9zGZ3w+JAh3WCPphitADOR8cb YNSgDLaBEZh3wJzj5QSqZyRRg2P5Gq/uAOw7GudIGXKFeQKgM6UgNWHlVa+ACtTi0uBwcvVMMpLo lcX+qnT66o2ouULgYGNN7d4+f5a/v4HP/wj+AQY+Z1k/V1ZPAAAAJXRFWHRkYXRlOmNyZWF0ZQAy MDIxLTExLTI0VDE1OjExOjE5KzAwOjAwXmLGugAAACV0RVh0ZGF0ZTptb2RpZnkAMjAyMS0xMS0y NFQxNToxMToxOSswMDowMC8/fgYAAAAASUVORK5CYII= X-Now-Playing: DJ Rupture's _Curiosity Slowdown_: "Curiosity Slowdown (part 3)" Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2021 18:16:14 +0100 In-Reply-To: <86814524-852c-d65b-cb05-86cc0f274d9b@inventati.org> (Manuel Uberti's message of "Wed, 24 Nov 2021 08:26:11 +0100") Message-ID: <87k0gxwk2p.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Manuel Uberti writes: > You're right. What about using a prefix like C-x 7 and add something like: > > - C-x 7 l for find-library > > Then these can be considered as well: > > - C-x 7 f for find-function > - C-x 7 v for fi [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52074 Cc: 52074@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Manuel Uberti writes: > You're right. What about using a prefix like C-x 7 and add something like: > > - C-x 7 l for find-library > > Then these can be considered as well: > > - C-x 7 f for find-function > - C-x 7 v for find-variable Hm... We've got a variety of stuff on `C-x ', but mostly things that deal with windows/tabs/frames. But perhaps it might make sense to put a `find-*' keymap there. Phil Sainty writes: > FWIW I use this same binding, and in my mind it makes excellent sense > to use C-h C-l for `find-library' if you also have: > > C-h C-v for `find-variable' > C-h C-f for `find-function' > C-h C-k for `find-function-on-key' > > All of which feel (to me) analogous to C-h v, C-h f, and C-h k: Without > the Ctrl modifier you view the docstrings; with it you view the code. Unfortunately `C-h C-f' is taken, but this makes sense. > (Admittedly C-h l is unconnected, but that hasn't bothered me. > Following > my pattern that would probably be bound to `finder-commentary', but I'm > not suggesting we move `view-lossage' elsewhere.) > > I guess my main point is that I do think of *all* of these things as > help-related, as I consider reading the code as just the next step up > from reading the docstrings. That's a good point. I doubt `C-h C-f' is used that often, so perhaps we could consider moving it and binding these four find-* commands to the `C-h' map. 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24 Nov 2021 18:30:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54929 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mpx2f-0003Ji-RX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 13:30:50 -0500 Received: from relay1-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.193]:57237) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mpx2d-0003JQ-Cm; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 13:30:48 -0500 Received: (Authenticated sender: juri@linkov.net) by relay1-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0C40D24000B; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 18:30:38 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#52074: 29.0.50; Add key binding for find-library Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <8cbad051-6fa0-958a-d2a6-4ba1ab1b7361@inventati.org> <87h7c2vx2p.fsf@gnus.org> <86814524-852c-d65b-cb05-86cc0f274d9b@inventati.org> <87k0gxwk2p.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2021 20:29:47 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87k0gxwk2p.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Wed, 24 Nov 2021 18:16:14 +0100") Message-ID: <86wnkx2yqs.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52074 Cc: Manuel Uberti , 52074@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) forcemerge 51240 52074 quit > Anybody else with opinions or ideas here? This is duplicate of https://debbugs.gnu.org/51240 where both using the C-h keymap or C-x L/C-x 4 L/C-x 5 L were proposed without a conclusive decision which one to prefer. 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Yes, and they've been expressed many times, in the multiple emacs-devel and duplicate bug threads about this. 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Didn't show up in the bug list for some reason.]=20 > Library commentaries are one of the primary sources of documentation > in Emacs, so I think it's pretty help-related. True. But we also have `finder-commentary' for that aspect. > FWIW I use this same binding, and in my mind it makes excellent sense > to use C-h C-l for `find-library' if you also have: >=20 > C-h C-v for `find-variable' > C-h C-f for `find-function' > C-h C-k for `find-function-on-key' >=20 > All of which feel (to me) analogous to C-h v, C-h f, and C-h k: Without > the Ctrl modifier you view the docstrings; with it you view the code. >=20 > (Admittedly C-h l is unconnected, but that hasn't bothered me. > Following > my pattern that would probably be bound to `finder-commentary', but I'm > not suggesting we move `view-lossage' elsewhere.) >=20 > I guess my main point is that I do think of *all* of these things as > help-related, as I consider reading the code as just the next step up > from reading the docstrings. It's good to discuss this, and I'm glad to see people giving _reasons_ for proposals/opinions. I wish that were more often the case. To my mind `find-library' fits most closely with `find-file'. I put my `other-window' version on `C-x 4 l' as analogy to `C-x 4 f'. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: oracle.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: SJ0PR10MB5488.namprd10.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: f2ee67bc-3e45-4047-c147-08da5aaee60e X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 30 Jun 2022 15:40:45.6570 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 4e2c6054-71cb-48f1-bd6c-3a9705aca71b X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: 8hoxWl7X5/HQprShkgksqtXpiK7GFS2SFd9DybKVI3APk6dr6T3VxfhaCAMUuzBWUtZreoRjA3+eEsH1rpYPTQ== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: CY4PR10MB1847 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:6.0.517, 18.0.883 definitions=2022-06-30_11:2022-06-28, 2022-06-30 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 mlxscore=0 phishscore=0 malwarescore=0 mlxlogscore=999 spamscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2204290000 definitions=main-2206300062 X-Proofpoint-ORIG-GUID: YCxJR9CaumBHNIaprO5VRzbOB400T5Zl X-Proofpoint-GUID: YCxJR9CaumBHNIaprO5VRzbOB400T5Zl X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 52074 Cc: "51240@debbugs.gnu.org" <51240@debbugs.gnu.org>, Howard Melman , "52074@debbugs.gnu.org" <52074@debbugs.gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > >> Thanks for the explanation, I think it makes sense to add > >> C-x L, C-x 4 L, C-x 5 L to find-function-setup-keys. > > > > Makes sense to me. >=20 > So I've now done this in Emacs 29. Finally. But as I said in bug #51240, which is a duplicate of this one: [Isn't this essentially bug #26712? and 2270? (which was closed as Done, but with no key binding)] At least 3 duplicate bugs, + discussion in emacs-devel. 15 years. It's taken 15 years to get this done, from my initial proposal to add the -other-window/frame versions, and my suggestion of `C-x 4 l' and `C-x 5 l' bindings. Yes, you should have used lowercase `l'. From #26712: I almost _never_ use `count-lines-page', and I use `find-library-other-window' several times a day. And I'm probably one of the few people who actually does use page commands. That's just not that useful a command, for me.) And `find-function-setup-keys' shouldn't hardcode the keys anyway - it should use a user option. And this isn't even (at all) about finding a function. There's no reason to put finding a _library_ on `find-function-setup-keys'. But I repeat myself... https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D2270 https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D26712#8 https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D26712#44 https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2007-03/msg01073.html https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2007-06/msg01306.html From unknown Sun Jun 22 22:42:45 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2022 11:24:08 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator