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29.0.50; gnus seems to ignore gnus-parameter-to-list-alist

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From: Steingold <sds <at> gnu.org>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 29.0.50; gnus seems to ignore gnus-parameter-to-list-alist
Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2021 11:41:38 -0500

I read the ACM RISKS Forum as gmane.comp.security.risks newsgroup.

When I try to reply, my message composition buffer contains

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
Newsgroups: gmane.comp.security.risks
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

despite `gnus-parameter-to-list-alist` containing

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
     ("gmane.comp.security.risks" "risks <at> CSL.sri.com")
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

and when I hit C-c C-c to sent, I get

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
Sending...
Sending news via news.gmane.io using nntp...
441 gmane.comp.security.risks is read-only 
Couldn’t send message via news: 441 gmane.comp.security.risks is read-only 
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---




In GNU Emacs 29.0.50 (build 3, x86_64-apple-darwin19.6.0, NS appkit-1894.60 Version 10.15.7 (Build 19H1519))
 of 2021-11-22 built on 3c22fb11fdab.ant.amazon.com
Repository revision: d737bfe911fc46f520fece46dfc930561272ab8d
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Message #8 received at 52061 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Steingold <sds <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 52061 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#52061: 29.0.50; gnus seems to ignore
 gnus-parameter-to-list-alist
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2021 08:44:40 +0100

Steingold <sds <at> gnu.org> writes:

> I read the ACM RISKS Forum as gmane.comp.security.risks newsgroup.
>
> When I try to reply, my message composition buffer contains
>
> Newsgroups: gmane.comp.security.risks
>
> despite `gnus-parameter-to-list-alist` containing
>
>      ("gmane.comp.security.risks" "risks <at> CSL.sri.com")
>
> and when I hit C-c C-c to sent, I get

The help here says:

---
(gnus-define-group-parameter
 to-list
 :function-document
 "Return GROUP's to-list."
 :variable-document
 "*Alist of group regexps and correspondent to-lists."
 :variable-group gnus-group-parameter
 :parameter-type '(gnus-email-address :tag "To List")
 :parameter-document "\
This address will be used when doing a `a' in the group.

It is totally ignored when doing a followup--except that if it is
present in a news group, you'll get mail group semantics when doing
`f'.
---

Which is pretty confusing.  Hm.

When you say you reply, do you mean the `f' command?

-- 
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Message #11 received at 52061 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Steingold <sds <at> gnu.org>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 52061 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#52061: 29.0.50; gnus seems to ignore
 gnus-parameter-to-list-alist
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2021 11:50:17 -0500

> * Lars Ingebrigtsen <ynefv <at> tahf.bet> [2021-11-24 08:44:40 +0100]:
>
> Steingold <sds <at> gnu.org> writes:
>
>> I read the ACM RISKS Forum as gmane.comp.security.risks newsgroup.
>>
>> When I try to reply, my message composition buffer contains
>>
>> Newsgroups: gmane.comp.security.risks
>>
>> despite `gnus-parameter-to-list-alist` containing
>>
>>      ("gmane.comp.security.risks" "risks <at> CSL.sri.com")
>>
>> and when I hit C-c C-c to sent, I get
>
> The help here says:
>
> ---
> (gnus-define-group-parameter
>  to-list
>  :function-document
>  "Return GROUP's to-list."
>  :variable-document
>  "*Alist of group regexps and correspondent to-lists."
>  :variable-group gnus-group-parameter
>  :parameter-type '(gnus-email-address :tag "To List")
>  :parameter-document "\
> This address will be used when doing a `a' in the group.
>
> It is totally ignored when doing a followup--except that if it is
> present in a news group, you'll get mail group semantics when doing
> `f'.

hmmm, so how do I tell gnus to use mail semantics for followup?

> Which is pretty confusing.  Hm.

Moreover, I have been using `gnus-parameter-to-list-alist' for 10+
years, and I am pretty sure it used to work, say, 5(?) years ago.

> When you say you reply, do you mean the `f' command?

Yep.

Thank you!

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Message #14 received at 52061 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Steingold <sds <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 52061 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#52061: 29.0.50; gnus seems to ignore
 gnus-parameter-to-list-alist
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2021 12:46:54 +0100

Steingold <sds <at> gnu.org> writes:

> I read the ACM RISKS Forum as gmane.comp.security.risks newsgroup.
>
> When I try to reply, my message composition buffer contains
>
> Newsgroups: gmane.comp.security.risks
>
> despite `gnus-parameter-to-list-alist` containing
>
>      ("gmane.comp.security.risks" "risks <at> CSL.sri.com")
>
> and when I hit C-c C-c to sent, I get
>
> Sending...
> Sending news via news.gmane.io using nntp...
> 441 gmane.comp.security.risks is read-only 
> Couldn’t send message via news: 441 gmane.comp.security.risks is read-only 

[...]

> This address will be used when doing a `a' in the group.
>
> It is totally ignored when doing a followup--except that if it is
> present in a news group, you'll get mail group semantics when doing
> `f'.

I now understand what this bit means: It means that if the setting is
present, `f' will work the same way that `S v' works.

And that's what happens when I try this in
nntp+news.gmane.io:gmane.comp.security.risks.  `f' gives me a *Message*
buffer that contains:

To: RISKS List Owner <risko <at> csl.sri.com>
Cc: risks-resend <at> csl.sri.com

So I'm unable to reproduce this problem in Emacs 29.

You haven't rebound the `f' command in gnus-summary-mode or anything?

-- 
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Message #19 received at 52061 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Steingold <sds <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 52061 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#52061: 29.0.50; gnus seems to ignore
 gnus-parameter-to-list-alist
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2022 14:11:12 +0100

Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> writes:

> So I'm unable to reproduce this problem in Emacs 29.
>
> You haven't rebound the `f' command in gnus-summary-mode or anything?

More information was requested, but no response was given within a
month, so I'm closing this bug report.  If the problem still exists,
please respond to this email and we'll reopen the bug report.

-- 
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Message #24 received at 52061 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Sam Steingold <sds <at> gnu.org>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 52061 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#52061: 29.0.50; gnus seems to ignore
 gnus-parameter-to-list-alist
Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2022 20:57:02 -0500

> * Lars Ingebrigtsen <ynefv <at> tahf.bet> [2021-11-25 12:46:54 +0100]:
>
> You haven't rebound the `f' command in gnus-summary-mode or anything?

No,

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
f runs the command gnus-summary-followup (found in gnus-summary-mode-map), which is an interactive
native compiled Lisp function in ‘gnus-msg.el’.

It is bound to f, S f, <menu-bar> <post> <Followup>.

(gnus-summary-followup YANK &optional FORCE-NEWS)
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

Sorry, I thought I sent this long ago...

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Message #27 received at 52061 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Sam Steingold <sds <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 52061 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#52061: 29.0.50; gnus seems to ignore
 gnus-parameter-to-list-alist
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2022 10:23:57 +0100

Sam Steingold <sds <at> gnu.org> writes:

>> You haven't rebound the `f' command in gnus-summary-mode or anything?
>
> No,
>
> f runs the command gnus-summary-followup (found in gnus-summary-mode-map), which is an interactive
> native compiled Lisp function in ‘gnus-msg.el’.
>
> It is bound to f, S f, <menu-bar> <post> <Followup>.
>
> (gnus-summary-followup YANK &optional FORCE-NEWS)
>
> Sorry, I thought I sent this long ago...

No prob; reopening this bug report, then.

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