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envelope-from=drew.adams@oracle.com; helo=mx0a-00069f02.pphosted.com X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) This seems to be a regression introduced in Emacs 27. emacs -Q At least with emacs -Q, answering `y' to this prompt has no effect. The choice you make is not saved persistently. If it can't be saved persistently because emacs -Q is being used, then either (1) the question shouldn't be posed or (2) after answering `y', Emacs should tell you that it can't save the setting after all. Obviously #1 is far preferable. In any case, what we have now is quite misleading: we ask you, "Hey, do you want to save that choice?" and then we ignore your answer. We don't even confirm the choice (whether y or n), letting you know that, OK, your choice `y' (or `n') is (or isn't) being saved. Yes, it appears that if you submit a second bug report in the same emacs -Q session, and if you answered `y' for the first report, then you won't be asked how to send the second one. Wunderbar. But in that case "saved" is still misleading, but just in a different way: the choice is remembered for the duration of the session. And if we're going to bother to "save" your choice for that, why don't we also save (for the same session) the more obvious choice, which is your email address? We don't even ask about saving that, and we don't save it. If you submit a second bug report in the same emacs -Q session you once again get the ridiculous "... tickle..." pseudo address. You once again have to edit that, the same way you did for each earlier report in the session. A needless, user-unfriendly chore. The Q&A for submitting a bug report has changed over & over, over the years. And it seems like each time someone "improves" something about this dialog, yet more bugs are introduced in it. The emacs -Q dialog, in particular, should be working by now. It's been how many decades? (I'm hoping that an attempt to fix this latest minor bug won't result in more damage.) In GNU Emacs 27.2 (build 1, x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2021-03-26 built on CIRROCUMULUS Repository revision: deef5efafb70f4b171265b896505b92b6eef24e6 Repository branch: HEAD Windowing system distributor 'Microsoft Corp.', version 10.0.19042 System Description: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro (v10.0.2009.19042.1288) From unknown Tue Sep 09 22:28:53 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#51929: 27.2; "Save this mail sending choice?" has no effect Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 09:49:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 51929 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Drew Adams Cc: 51929@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 51929-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B51929.16372288966694 (code B ref 51929); Thu, 18 Nov 2021 09:49:02 +0000 Received: (at 51929) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Nov 2021 09:48:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34803 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mne1f-0001ju-Rp for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Nov 2021 04:48:16 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:46802) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mne1e-0001jc-7G for 51929@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Nov 2021 04:48:14 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=AavPLfleAvC2UVUeY6L5gXbIQzuWSR95iRUFGCa7b/0=; b=sDd4b2k7+O7iSwqO4W4c/kmVJs 0u7SOAusUvD8SL6dyU/t/b4of5anF6/DXh2EgCh1+f09iv8o4wfPOt7htQQMU71FafOr57KqejABN 4UtfV2+Lli7zB2RNpL9L8nG+eXlFKNStDL04k+RSe6cIC4oiRLlnRw42rHifpYXoMtQE=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mne1U-00081h-O2; Thu, 18 Nov 2021 10:48:07 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: X-Now-Playing: Fotheringay's _Fotheringay_: "Peace in the End" Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 10:48:04 +0100 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Wed, 17 Nov 2021 21:25:12 +0000") Message-ID: <871r3dlrqj.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Drew Adams writes: > emacs -Q > > At least with emacs -Q, answering `y' to this prompt has no effect. The > choice you make is not saved persistently. No, with "-Q" the choice is only used in the current session (which the messaging tells you). It's useful to be able to send a mail with one method without Emacs storing that value even in the current [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Drew Adams writes: > emacs -Q > > At least with emacs -Q, answering `y' to this prompt has no effect. The > choice you make is not saved persistently. No, with "-Q" the choice is only used in the current session (which the messaging tells you). It's useful to be able to send a mail with one method without Emacs storing that value even in the current session, so that the user can try out several methods. So this works as designed, and I'm closing this bug report. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Nov 18 04:48:19 2021 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Nov 2021 09:48:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34806 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mne1j-0001k9-1V for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Nov 2021 04:48:19 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:46816) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mne1h-0001jk-Ty for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Nov 2021 04:48:18 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Subject:From:To:Message-Id:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=2sksN2GZ22/rM9CIV8aBLqka+3mnPkwu+7LmvRaRBnM=; b=HMJ+p+mijWyqiFgYN+zq6/kf+S WCRy2JqVDS3xNYKmYslq9BPVp79TWQtWeUSGcf8YG+GfRxImL6cz7N2pnhpgUOnKrX8FEQ4dSDBDF q1Iyr+7JWSBEm3fqa5SiCYcTp3y280qSa+lORtK3c2DO4/XQcq/Md5UScSvaZu9lac+c=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mne1a-00081o-3n for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Nov 2021 10:48:12 +0100 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 10:48:09 +0100 Message-Id: <87zgq1kd5y.fsf@gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #51929 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: tags 51929 notabug close 51929 quit Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) tags 51929 notabug close 51929 quit