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envelope-from=drew.adams@oracle.com; helo=mx0a-00069f02.pphosted.com X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) This variable seems poorly named, in more ways than one. Could we consider renaming it (by aliasing and perhaps deprecating the old name)? Maybe use a name such as `show-active-region-everywhere'. I won't fight over the name, but I think it should have "region" in it, and ideally "active" as well. Not only is the name poor, but the doc is also less than ideal. 1. This var has no effect if `transient-mark-mode' is disabled. The doc should say something about it being relevant only for t-m-mode. It should say that when that's disabled the region is never "active", and so it is never highlighted anywhere. 2. This is not really about highlighting windows. (Yes, the highlighting occurs in windows, of course. But it's the active region that's highlighted.) 3. The name says nothing about what's most important: "region". This is about showing (highlighting) the _active region_ in _all_ windows. 4. The doc should explain the alternative behavior, when the var is nil: the active region is highlighted only in the selected window. In GNU Emacs 27.2 (build 1, x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2021-03-26 built on CIRROCUMULUS Repository revision: deef5efafb70f4b171265b896505b92b6eef24e6 Repository branch: HEAD Windowing system distributor 'Microsoft Corp.', version 10.0.19042 System Description: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro (v10.0.2009.19042.1288) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Nov 18 01:50:08 2021 Received: (at 51927-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Nov 2021 06:50:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34374 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mnbFI-0002Hp-5z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Nov 2021 01:50:08 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:58878) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mnbFF-0002HC-Le for 51927-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Nov 2021 01:50:07 -0500 Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=36742 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mnbFA-0005iu-Bo; Thu, 18 Nov 2021 01:50:00 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=+68KjpgHC6fY0uXYBghPzHYTp1ul4V5YWayJztEYufc=; b=pXaYvcklnjMf l41BHy4SElPRB64PqNGVuLgQyodg18DVq/gorB6u/BUS0eH+vtScqd2MYy3TH0YzqsiaSSCVrGG/J ghau2cT8hwMe9aKBsF3LP6h3mIy+x0Qy8NsULeqgqduUQhchgcQw6n1ZCiIy/3+4AqIlGVHwY40Bg FLraZMVI1zBDvtyxsVmcUA7sWCHorWaEfXv8v8cFgU7JdHrw4E+5d43CT+78HD9iX2md8vcfcuYM/ ZyB3bjDnXQzojcdt0IzsQbRhBU6TlDHsANGfSQNwz/9w7FkVyE0XoXLbRk820h2O9EAuoLhgI8+J4 bpEQLhIFk+BXeuzi/bC8mw==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=2662 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mnbF8-0000pO-L7; Thu, 18 Nov 2021 01:49:59 -0500 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 08:49:55 +0200 Message-Id: <83y25mx8j0.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams In-Reply-To: (message from Drew Adams on Wed, 17 Nov 2021 21:03:45 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#51927: 27.2; Rename `highlight-nonselected-windows' References: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 51927-done Cc: 51927-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Drew Adams > Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2021 21:03:45 +0000 > > This variable seems poorly named, in more ways than one. Could we > consider renaming it (by aliasing and perhaps deprecating the old name)? This variable exists since Emacs 19. Renaming it after all that time would make no sense at all. > 1. This var has no effect if `transient-mark-mode' is disabled. That is inaccurate: it has no effect if the region is inactive (you can have an active region even with transient-mark-mode disabled). I added the caveat to the doc string. > 2. This is not really about highlighting windows. (Yes, the > highlighting occurs in windows, of course. But it's the active region > that's highlighted.) The doc string says that. > 3. The name says nothing about what's most important: "region". This is > about showing (highlighting) the _active region_ in _all_ windows. See above: that ship sailed long ago. > 4. The doc should explain the alternative behavior, when the var is nil: > the active region is highlighted only in the selected window. Added. And with that, I'm closing this bug. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: oracle.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: SJ0PR10MB5488.namprd10.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 95418538-e5b6-4686-879a-08d9aab2b8a5 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 18 Nov 2021 16:44:42.7675 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 4e2c6054-71cb-48f1-bd6c-3a9705aca71b X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: jbuH5lc2SgJubgaGlePwgs4Sje73YkOIwZvMu7pkRE9QP6UWlKq7vMpNUKG1BQXpWvCjHLDViq5Oxm+jU9iFTg== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BYAPR10MB2437 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6300 definitions=10172 signatures=668683 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 mlxscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 mlxlogscore=988 adultscore=0 malwarescore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2110150000 definitions=main-2111180091 X-Proofpoint-ORIG-GUID: uZETEWZVgES69O_pUO2bZ30ursdQECNJ X-Proofpoint-GUID: uZETEWZVgES69O_pUO2bZ30ursdQECNJ X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 51927-done Cc: "51927-done@debbugs.gnu.org" <51927-done@debbugs.gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > > This variable seems poorly named, in more ways than one. Could we > > consider renaming it (by aliasing and perhaps deprecating the old name)= ? >=20 > This variable exists since Emacs 19. Renaming it after all that time > would make no sense at all. I'm aware that it's an old name. Renaming it makes a lot of sense. There's no problem letting the old name remain as an alias. > > 1. This var has no effect if `transient-mark-mode' is disabled. >=20 > That is inaccurate: it has no effect if the region is inactive (you > can have an active region even with transient-mark-mode disabled). I > added the caveat to the doc string. I disagree. The notion of "active" mark or region has no meaning outside of transient-mark-mode. It was (naturally) introduced precisely to describe t-m-mode behavior. There was no need for it before then, and there's no need (or use) now, to refer to it outside t-m-mode. It has no meaning, no user-visible or code-visible behavior outside t-m-mode. > > 2. This is not really about highlighting windows. (Yes, the > > highlighting occurs in windows, of course. But it's the active region > > that's highlighted.) >=20 > The doc string says that. The enhancement request / bug report is about the poor, inaccurate, misleading _option name_. Look for the option that does what this does, and you won't find it. Apropos, etc. can't help, because the name is so inappropriate. You may know of the option, but have forgotten its name, and you just won't find it. > > 3. The name says nothing about what's most important: "region". This i= s > > about showing (highlighting) the _active region_ in _all_ windows. >=20 > See above: that ship sailed long ago. See above, and the bug report. There's no problem keeping the old name as well as a new, helpful, name. Almost any name with "region" in it would be an improvement. > > 4. The doc should explain the alternative behavior, when the var is nil= : > > the active region is highlighted only in the selected window. >=20 > Added. And with that, I'm closing this bug. Yet another won't-fix. 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This var has no effect if `transient-mark-mode' is disabled. > > > > That is inaccurate: it has no effect if the region is inactive (you > > can have an active region even with transient-mark-mode disabled). I > > added the caveat to the doc string. > > I disagree. The notion of "active" mark > or region has no meaning outside of > transient-mark-mode. Not true: emacs -Q M-x transient-mark-mode RET M-< C-SPC C-SPC Observe the message "Mark activated" in the echo area. C-u 20 C-f Observe active region highlighted. > Yet another won't-fix. Will you ever learn to accept the judgment of the maintainers without attacking it? 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This var has no effect if `transient-mark-mode' is disabled. > > > > > > That is inaccurate: it has no effect if the region is inactive (you > > > can have an active region even with transient-mark-mode disabled). I > > > added the caveat to the doc string. > > > > I disagree. The notion of "active" mark > > or region has no meaning outside of > > transient-mark-mode. >=20 > Not true: >=20 > emacs -Q > M-x transient-mark-mode RET > M-< > C-SPC C-SPC >=20 > Observe the message "Mark activated" in the echo area. >=20 > C-u 20 C-f >=20 > Observe active region highlighted. You're just confirming what I've said. `C-h f C-SPC' tells you: "When Transient Mark Mode is off, immediately repeating this command activates 'transient-mark-mode' temporarily." ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ When t-m-mode is enabled, the notion of an "active" mark/region has a meaning/effect. When it's disabled, it has no meaning/effect. The echoes you mention don't change this fact (unless you consider those echoes to be the only "meaning/effect). Those echoes didn't exist before we added t-m-mode, and in the case you cite they're just useless, at best, or at worst (a wee bit) misleading. T-m-mode is the default now (and that's a good thing). And all of Emacs has pretty much taken its behavior aboard, as a given. That includes the echoing you cite, about activation of the mark. There was no such talk of mark activation before t-m-mode was added. (There was only setting the mark.) Why? Because there was no difference in behavior active/inactive. There was just no such thing as being "active". And the same is true still, when t-m-mode is disabled. We can agree to disagree about this. (Or we can just disagree without agreement that we disagree.) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Nov 18 12:33:34 2021 Received: (at 51927) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Nov 2021 17:33:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37091 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mnlHy-0006Wp-BK for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Nov 2021 12:33:34 -0500 Received: from relay7-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.200]:60989) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mnlHw-0006WW-Ik for 51927@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Nov 2021 12:33:33 -0500 Received: (Authenticated sender: juri@linkov.net) by relay7-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 48D302000B; Thu, 18 Nov 2021 17:33:24 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#51927: 27.2; Rename `highlight-nonselected-windows' Organization: LINKOV.NET References: Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 19:20:30 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Wed, 17 Nov 2021 21:03:45 +0000") Message-ID: <86wnl51np4.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 51927 Cc: 51927@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > This variable seems poorly named, in more ways than one. Could we > consider renaming it (by aliasing and perhaps deprecating the old name)? I agree that it's poorly named. In bug#49844 we are developing a new feature for which the most suitable name would be `highlight-nonselected-windows' - it will highlight nonselected windows by changing their background color. Unfortunately this name is already occupied by this unrelated variable. But like Eli said it's too late to rename this variable. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: oracle.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: SJ0PR10MB5488.namprd10.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 65b43357-4b7b-4828-2327-08d9aabc16c2 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 18 Nov 2021 17:51:46.1354 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 4e2c6054-71cb-48f1-bd6c-3a9705aca71b X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: 4fqiDNY1OarQS3zMZj0kIqYCs5Qv4+06dsd4ObslS8v5+I/osatV/oDAhOgkTpxPsVDdXmZjLR1wLa7bxfuhLA== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BYAPR10MB3559 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6300 definitions=10172 signatures=668683 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 malwarescore=0 mlxscore=0 suspectscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2110150000 definitions=main-2111180093 X-Proofpoint-ORIG-GUID: mm6wYOPk0vCrVe-4mhQg0iB3kBbCTsrC X-Proofpoint-GUID: mm6wYOPk0vCrVe-4mhQg0iB3kBbCTsrC X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 51927 Cc: "51927@debbugs.gnu.org" <51927@debbugs.gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > > This variable seems poorly named, in more ways than one. Could we > > consider renaming it (by aliasing and perhaps deprecating the old name)= ? >=20 > I agree that it's poorly named. In bug#49844 we are > developing a new feature for which the most suitable > name would be `highlight-nonselected-windows' - > it will highlight nonselected windows by changing > their background color. Unfortunately this name is > already occupied by this unrelated variable. Use a less ideal name for it, e.g. something like: change-window-backgrounds or highlight-windows-not-selected. > But like Eli said it's too late to rename this variable. It's too late to remove that name from this option. Which means it's not possible to use that same name for some other option (e.g. your new one). But it's not too late to alias the old option, providing it another, better name. And it's not too late to favor that better name in doc, help, apropos, etc. It's fine to use "too late" for incompatible changes, when it's really too late or impossible to change something. That really _doesn't_ apply, logically, to being able to provide a better name by aliasing, and it really _shouldn't_ be applied. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Nov 18 13:44:56 2021 Received: (at 51927) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Nov 2021 18:44:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37190 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mnmP1-0002aH-WF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Nov 2021 13:44:56 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:60608) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mnmP0-0002Zw-7N for 51927@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Nov 2021 13:44:54 -0500 Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=33872 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mnmOu-0001ER-HA; Thu, 18 Nov 2021 13:44:48 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=1a8fAzsatMegdOVfJf3zWLf8OZekuFqhGo0UgABSFPY=; b=UtYmmKugb6pW q4RT79bgi6bcWzkHn+Rpt3EbC3armtbt9Yg5+qKnQmcAhHCsfTJv/iAlpToNqFEXWESRrzFKTp6vo oG2Z4MYSnDthQtzgy6WANDZxK0b+hyE/4sE3unlo+7spOXcDVbuPZgQJsEme9js++fPsi0u0IjOtp AzYeTEWcvcCz7RXkvS9BwrGx+d7pQlGDNo4vctLXld84sqgOXAK668MBZieh90r1IRMgZBPg2Jb+I 7nu6B71xJMuIXOHmR91wiCHmK0uaENPdJEJyFS9MLN8xbniUDLwRJNhh86Gp0OMTgd7fWaEjweMw5 3+rz9BDChaajMUQ5i+Wncw==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=3115 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mnmOu-0001uY-4u; Thu, 18 Nov 2021 13:44:48 -0500 Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 20:44:46 +0200 Message-Id: <83r1bdwbfl.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams In-Reply-To: (message from Drew Adams on Thu, 18 Nov 2021 17:28:35 +0000) Subject: Re: [External] : Re: bug#51927: 27.2; Rename `highlight-nonselected-windows' References: <83y25mx8j0.fsf@gnu.org> <83wnl5wgd2.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 51927 Cc: 51927@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Drew Adams > CC: "51927@debbugs.gnu.org" <51927@debbugs.gnu.org> > Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 17:28:35 +0000 > > "When Transient Mark Mode is off, immediately repeating this > command activates 'transient-mark-mode' temporarily." > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ That's immaterial: from the user's POV the mode is still disabled, once the region is deactivated. That it is temporarily enabled is an implementation detail. So the important part is that the region is active, not whether transient-mark-mode is on or off. And that's what I made the doc string to say. > There was no such talk of mark activation > before t-m-mode was added. So what? the manual now is full of such talk, so denying its importance is silly and doesn't help users. From unknown Mon Jun 23 04:11:31 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2021 12:24:10 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator