From unknown Thu Sep 18 23:15:29 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#51876 <51876@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#51876 <51876@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 28.0.60; Confusing prompt for setting a bookmark Reply-To: bug#51876 <51876@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2025 06:15:29 +0000 retitle 51876 28.0.60; Confusing prompt for setting a bookmark reassign 51876 emacs submitter 51876 Eli Zaretskii severity 51876 minor thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Nov 15 13:34:56 2021 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Nov 2021 18:34:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56152 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mmgoa-0005JR-3o for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Nov 2021 13:34:56 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:42092) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mmgoY-0005JK-Si for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 15 Nov 2021 13:34:47 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:57798) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mmgoY-0003l6-LE for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Nov 2021 13:34:46 -0500 Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=44902 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mmgoY-0004qm-Cq for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Nov 2021 13:34:46 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Subject:To:From:Date:mime-version:in-reply-to: references; bh=fnesfgBxixcBk9lcCICoeVS43r3/56FrARwRIxhnUEc=; b=f/o+fFsBlH/KXD +vEZtphPiGjZoFjpomZT5kNQ2TgDI+4fgXtBUcSEGpUPSCrwuxSyO6PqBBi8acE0rBK0eq3lPmyzM 4p1DOUxcvglZhi8rcSmRdwpV2WAcIT8pcrJz3A6ONpSJly01Hg19DqeStb84tDsBv+YTdniV+FLHw S0L13cHO7BqIAhusEh0ZLVnmJKKUBSNvT3Z1P5mQyqLNyCzjff94G2TOWTyU1hz5TsOHmwa00IWju 5IoOAmCu1O5oqnNAp89i8O5hVjaTZEW1Dyk9I4SfSCbkHQv5AcPu587Xx70ynwMcqJdxOOexxX2n0 hxbWvR6NNKg2mWysKHaw==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=3754 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mmgoX-0006KF-Vw for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Nov 2021 13:34:46 -0500 Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2021 20:34:35 +0200 Message-Id: <838rxp2rpg.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 28.0.60; Confusing prompt for setting a bookmark X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) To reproduce: emacs -Q C-x C-f some-file-name RET C-x r m Emacs prompts thusly: Set bookmark unconditionally (default some-file-name): This prompt is confusing: it doesn't make it clear that Emacs is prompting for the _name_ of the bookmark. The word "name" (or anything to that effect) doesn't appear anywhere within the prompt, and the suggested default, which is just the file name, makes the intent even harder to guess, because it sounds like Emacs asks whether to set a bookmark in this file. Please make the prompt more user-friendly. I also think the "unconditionally" part should be removed: it makes me wonder why Emacs made a point of mentioning that at all. It also makes the prompt longer, thus harder to understand. In GNU Emacs 28.0.60 (build 140, i686-pc-mingw32) of 2021-11-15 built on HOME-C4E4A596F7 Repository revision: b418aad85a3d62aa427e7af72c96ca1d644dbc02 Repository branch: emacs-28 Windowing system distributor 'Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 System Description: Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 3 (v5.1.0.2600) Configured using: 'configure -C --prefix=/d/usr --with-wide-int --with-modules --enable-checking=yes,glyphs 'CFLAGS=-O0 -gdwarf-4 -g3'' Configured features: ACL GIF GMP GNUTLS HARFBUZZ JPEG JSON LCMS2 LIBXML2 MODULES NOTIFY W32NOTIFY PDUMPER PNG RSVG SOUND THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS XPM ZLIB Important settings: value of $LANG: ENU locale-coding-system: cp1255 Major mode: Lisp Interaction Minor modes in effect: tooltip-mode: t global-eldoc-mode: t eldoc-mode: t show-paren-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t indent-tabs-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Load-path shadows: None found. Features: (shadow sort mail-extr emacsbug message rmc puny dired dired-loaddefs rfc822 mml mml-sec epa derived epg rfc6068 epg-config gnus-util rmail rmail-loaddefs auth-source cl-seq eieio eieio-core cl-macs eieio-loaddefs password-cache json map text-property-search time-date subr-x seq byte-opt gv bytecomp byte-compile cconv mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231 mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheader cl-loaddefs cl-lib sendmail rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums mm-util mail-prsvr mail-utils iso-transl tooltip eldoc paren electric uniquify ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type elisp-mode mwheel dos-w32 ls-lisp disp-table term/w32-win w32-win w32-vars term/common-win tool-bar dnd fontset image regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list replace newcomment text-mode lisp-mode prog-mode register page tab-bar menu-bar rfn-eshadow isearch easymenu timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax font-core term/tty-colors frame minibuffer cl-generic cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese eucjp-ms cp51932 hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese composite emoji-zwj charscript charprop case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev obarray cl-preloaded nadvice button loaddefs faces cus-face macroexp files window text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote threads w32notify w32 lcms2 multi-tty make-network-process emacs) Memory information: ((conses 16 56698 6812) (symbols 48 7801 1) (strings 16 21653 2791) (string-bytes 1 632658) (vectors 16 13628) (vector-slots 8 180022 11936) (floats 8 23 93) (intervals 40 266 116) (buffers 888 10)) Set bookmark unconditionally (default bookmark-test.txt): From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Nov 16 03:12:34 2021 Received: (at 51876) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Nov 2021 08:12:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56974 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mmtZy-00063c-Fj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 Nov 2021 03:12:34 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:52128) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mmtZw-00063J-Er for 51876@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 Nov 2021 03:12:33 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=1Umqvjld22L48/YHNsbTSNRRxMO+c0xejeC4dpossbM=; b=mNn/ck8DNFUB3j/Xk2HG4VRlBp 0XDCkg9WzeIW8dVyZAGnuaGoUaO+fY/eLS2U1HFMIMbkeLFQ0FeV6jbAJWgabSObatn1qUmrGXNlv KvaSkHSqlZzUM1ikBHs7VO/NaGIzC++CSw+btK4oNF02dZ9Jt8CqMfSZl2yYyjzhDIBA=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mmtZn-0003ts-HM; Tue, 16 Nov 2021 09:12:26 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#51876: 28.0.60; Confusing prompt for setting a bookmark References: <838rxp2rpg.fsf@gnu.org> X-Now-Playing: Joni Mitchell's _Archives: The Early Years (3)_: "Intro To Sugar Mountain" Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2021 09:12:23 +0100 In-Reply-To: <838rxp2rpg.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 15 Nov 2021 20:34:35 +0200") Message-ID: <87wnl85xjs.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii writes: > This prompt is confusing: it doesn't make it clear that Emacs is > prompting for the _name_ of the bookmark. The word "name" (or > anything to that effect) doesn't appear anywhere within the prompt, [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 51876 Cc: 51876@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii writes: > This prompt is confusing: it doesn't make it clear that Emacs is > prompting for the _name_ of the bookmark. The word "name" (or > anything to that effect) doesn't appear anywhere within the prompt, > and the suggested default, which is just the file name, makes the > intent even harder to guess, because it sounds like Emacs asks whether > to set a bookmark in this file. Yes. > I also think the "unconditionally" part should be removed: it makes me > wonder why Emacs made a point of mentioning that at all. It also > makes the prompt longer, thus harder to understand. It's because of this: --- With a prefix arg (non-nil NO-OVERWRITE), do not overwrite any existing bookmark that has the same name as NAME, but instead push the new bookmark onto the bookmark alist. --- Perhaps (if no-overwrite "Set bookmark" "Set bookmark unconditionally"))) should be (if no-overwrite "Append bookmark" "Set bookmark"))) -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Nov 16 08:13:12 2021 Received: (at 51876) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Nov 2021 13:13:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57472 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mmyGt-0005DF-Mg for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 Nov 2021 08:13:12 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:60164) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mmyGr-0005Cu-JH for 51876@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 Nov 2021 08:13:09 -0500 Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=45094 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mmyGm-0007vf-D2; 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Confusing prompt for setting a bookmark References: <838rxp2rpg.fsf@gnu.org> <87wnl85xjs.fsf@gnus.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 51876 Cc: 51876@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen > Cc: 51876@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2021 09:12:23 +0100 > > Perhaps > > (if no-overwrite "Set bookmark" "Set bookmark unconditionally"))) > > should be > > (if no-overwrite "Append bookmark" "Set bookmark"))) I would suggest (if no-overwrite "Add bookmark named" "Set bookmark named") From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Nov 17 01:23:08 2021 Received: (at 51876) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Nov 2021 06:23:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59802 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mnELc-0008Cs-L1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; 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Tue, 16 Nov 2021 22:22:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Tue, 16 Nov 2021 22:22:59 -0800 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <83tugc1bxj.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 16 Nov 2021 15:12:56 +0200") References: <838rxp2rpg.fsf@gnu.org> <87wnl85xjs.fsf@gnus.org> <83tugc1bxj.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2021 22:22:59 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#51876: 28.0.60; Confusing prompt for setting a bookmark To: Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 51876 Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 51876@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Lars Ingebrigtsen >> Cc: 51876@debbugs.gnu.org >> Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2021 09:12:23 +0100 >> >> Perhaps >> >> (if no-overwrite "Set bookmark" "Set bookmark unconditionally"))) >> >> should be >> >> (if no-overwrite "Append bookmark" "Set bookmark"))) > > I would suggest > > (if no-overwrite "Add bookmark named" "Set bookmark named") How about (if no-overwrite "Append bookmark named" "Set bookmark named") ? 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Stefan Kangas writes: > How about > > (if no-overwrite "Append bookmark named" "Set bookmark named") And we have a winner. Pushed to Emacs 29 now. 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Not that it matters now, but I'm curious: why "append" and not "add"? 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: oracle.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: SJ0PR10MB5488.namprd10.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: fad9b333-5c6f-4a0f-9ef7-08d9a9ea3b8d X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 17 Nov 2021 16:49:33.5467 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 4e2c6054-71cb-48f1-bd6c-3a9705aca71b X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: 5V4QkHIWrYiP4WGPwV0rMfoBwdM3alPAG8STfmRSswa0Sekf2VhDy/iFQIbv1bKXQN292b5iD7nbfV0oa50Dpg== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BYAPR10MB2519 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6300 definitions=10171 signatures=668683 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 mlxlogscore=615 adultscore=0 mlxscore=0 spamscore=0 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2110150000 definitions=main-2111170077 X-Proofpoint-GUID: loksl4maIHOFlcplXqDs3l56GWVItcPB X-Proofpoint-ORIG-GUID: loksl4maIHOFlcplXqDs3l56GWVItcPB X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 51876 Cc: "larsi@gnus.org" , "51876@debbugs.gnu.org" <51876@debbugs.gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > > > I would suggest > > > (if no-overwrite "Add bookmark named" "Set bookmark named") > > How about > > (if no-overwrite "Append bookmark named" "Set bookmark named") >=20 > Not that it matters now, but I'm curious: > why "append" and not "add"? It does matter, because "append" is just wrong. But perhaps, by "now", you meant that it's too late to fix this? I hope not. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Nov 17 12:08:43 2021 Received: (at 51876) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Nov 2021 17:08:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33723 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mnOQN-0006z7-NY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2021 12:08:43 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:41286) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mnOQL-0006yi-Rk for 51876@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2021 12:08:42 -0500 Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=40152 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mnOQG-0004vd-8i; Wed, 17 Nov 2021 12:08:36 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=AAcvW+EF6uCaCa0/IJ1zJaWN4/PrRYY++6Guk0jY+mc=; b=IDlydh7QtIJu U/D+/4iWdU80y819BWfRaLbwoIyehbZN7zWNNt2VC+MjnqY9h5LXr4K7rzGxMRV+b1XeCrfwyHPKb mzQ4/p62juVyzgURdL5mS5OQhWq3mAZsQhEStu15VDRwVQTIVQDkmsvigZlQzCv55YqeftDrHVGay 07dqKxQE2rYxRIltkoK5eagF/SzqPQLCpxQi3UqXY344OwhzFNVM6I1Ol4jTLtpc94Wg3jjQpv97H Ec8AJOYeS9H8CRUnGmypwDJaP3EW2JdtMtsVL1bI0+MLXnb62F5gtqW08bWSOcqASVipxHMAlrz8L +/681KAT9jih+IKKIs4gCg==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=3582 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mnOQF-0006hK-Sh; Wed, 17 Nov 2021 12:08:36 -0500 Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2021 19:08:30 +0200 Message-Id: <83a6i2zp4h.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams In-Reply-To: (message from Drew Adams on Wed, 17 Nov 2021 16:42:38 +0000) Subject: Re: [External] : bug#51876: 28.0.60; Confusing prompt for setting a bookmark References: <838rxp2rpg.fsf@gnu.org> <87wnl85xjs.fsf@gnus.org> <83tugc1bxj.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 51876 Cc: larsi@gnus.org, stefan@marxist.se, 51876@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Drew Adams > CC: Lars Ingebrigtsen , > "51876@debbugs.gnu.org" > <51876@debbugs.gnu.org> > Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2021 16:42:38 +0000 > > The point is that you can have multiple bookmarks > with the same name. Yes, but can you say that in few enough characters to fit a prompt, so that it is self-explanatory and yet short? That's the challenge; everything else is a tangent, since it isn't like people here don't understand what that does. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: oracle.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: SJ0PR10MB5488.namprd10.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: df98655d-9ce7-4ae9-675a-08d9a9f22437 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 17 Nov 2021 17:46:10.3022 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 4e2c6054-71cb-48f1-bd6c-3a9705aca71b X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: ZrKtlH0iSskW9LByTeX57KdxtMyYvgK5teuQTVVxxpvDVMVgVv1gP+jD/ceHHJ7Ej+ObyuakJdZlWqsLCLbc5Q== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BYAPR10MB3415 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6300 definitions=10171 signatures=668683 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 mlxscore=0 malwarescore=0 mlxlogscore=731 suspectscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2110150000 definitions=main-2111170081 X-Proofpoint-GUID: C16NSue9TSRb8smBhlmhI_QKPx5mNSg0 X-Proofpoint-ORIG-GUID: C16NSue9TSRb8smBhlmhI_QKPx5mNSg0 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 51876 Cc: "larsi@gnus.org" , "stefan@marxist.se" , "51876@debbugs.gnu.org" <51876@debbugs.gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > > The point is that you can have multiple bookmarks > > with the same name. >=20 > Yes, but can you say that in few enough characters to fit a prompt, so > that it is self-explanatory and yet short? That's the challenge; > everything else is a tangent, since it isn't like people here don't > understand what that does. I think you already said it in few chars: "Add", not "Append". "Add" is fine; "Append" is wrong. Someone who suggests putting "append" in the prompt seems to me not to understand well what the command does. Or else I just misunderstand their understanding. In any case, to my mind "append" is wrong. It will only mislead or confuse users. For vanilla Emacs, only one bookmark with a given name can be used at any time. Because of that, I think "set" is a fine term to use. The suggestion of "add" instead is OK too, but it can wrongly suggest that other bookmarks with the same name can be used at the same time. And you'll note that "add" agrees with what's said in the doc string of `bookmark-set-no-overwrite', except there the word used is "push". "Push" is thus another reasonable alternative (like "add") to the incorrect "append". Even "prepend" more or less correct, but it's not as good as "push", "add" (better than "push", or "set" (best of all, IMO). ___ And speaking of (real) tangents - This bug thread perhaps shouldn't have gone into the weeds to deal with something different from what you reported, which was, I think, a concern that it isn't clear enough that what's prompted for is a _bookmark_ name (not, e.g., a file name). ___ FWIW - 1. Bookmark+ uses the name `bmkp-bookmark-set-confirm-overwrite' for a command that requires confirmation before overwriting an existing bookmark (unless you provide a prefix arg). I prefer that name and behavior to what vanilla Emacs added as command `bookmark-set-no-overwrite'. 2. With Bookmark+, it _is_ possible to use multiple bookmarks that have the same name at the same time. It's possible because the full bookmark is kept on the bookmark name as a property. This optional behavior is useful, for example to (automatically) get bookmark names that are non-dir file names, to files with the same name in different directories. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Nov 18 04:21:39 2021 Received: (at 51876) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Nov 2021 09:21:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34737 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mndbv-00073L-3F for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Nov 2021 04:21:39 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:46230) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mndbr-00072p-VT for 51876@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 18 Nov 2021 04:21:36 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=sKQL2VRoSybihmaLMuta9D3/HyNApWCe0MQnMGQe1UA=; b=hs76e23Vv17LT+DUWFRIUzMACx dE9OKB8B/rvrtxfSx1KJXRJcqdn/3n3+7SC8ywYxf/I9DelzlZCC0T7SLhnQltnE2mUP+dNJ4n2xw wiP4Q1pyPcLlMJQJy+xIQ0gELoe/Qnx/WY2mQER+l/HcvRB3gQ60oGfnSlJZHlD3cKg8=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mndbj-0007pc-TY; Thu, 18 Nov 2021 10:21:30 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#51876: 28.0.60; Confusing prompt for setting a bookmark References: <838rxp2rpg.fsf@gnu.org> <87wnl85xjs.fsf@gnus.org> <83tugc1bxj.fsf@gnu.org> <83lf1mzyat.fsf@gnu.org> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAFVBMVEUJCAkqKiofHx8e HiBISEdAPz7///+cw1o9AAAAAWJLR0QGYWa4fQAAAAd0SU1FB+ULEgg1KekNhfYAAAGQSURBVDjL 5VNBchwhDBRSHjDA+g5DHiBoPyAb+wOpyv/fkgbW5XXKe3BVbpma2Rm6JTUttCL/z3U8Isr6xSM6 PabGF+TDj0/AzMf8n1mEtA/rXbnH+FvqtW65N7Mae6zTOp6j3zmsV3S2yhqxGN/x+Ep05H7Cq0v4 +U4sCfAmAbm84dfpLTZC1tKLtfC0t/OddTClucwNXE29uSE+PZV6AlRezNIPBys8abE20BQjdfGV Qrb0FN0KnVUchmxG0EoIlHDC2kTTITXBLy7P5cxgLGSYFjkPRwS+sb7NqNkwhXRHFrtk2z5sNqk3 ldFHzJGE79A5OOOkzuCIxAPhxdgzM8GpSBJSGVH6xavksRtssFFo99Qs4VV6hsP3QRnHIBzdprJr R18ixgDKaFGPg5/BkdZhoTKncW8YOTvT3TN0ZdxGs2gePrhGVL0bh2KagxMZ9VRanC7txsHmOwA3 67LfmQfi41fC/ifMIF/xaaqdMZW/Js50RnpYiN8RzKVPn2XbjZC7zZVJoPmHYuvLppGMP6M+Mp5c oDFnAAAAJXRFWHRkYXRlOmNyZWF0ZQAyMDIxLTExLTE4VDA4OjUzOjQwKzAwOjAwGa0n9gAAACV0 RVh0ZGF0ZTptb2RpZnkAMjAyMS0xMS0xOFQwODo1Mzo0MCswMDowMGjwn0oAAAAASUVORK5CYII= X-Now-Playing: Alasdair Roberts og =?utf-8?Q?V=C3=B6lvur's?= _The Old Fabled River_: "Sweet William's Ghost" Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 10:21:26 +0100 In-Reply-To: <83lf1mzyat.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 17 Nov 2021 15:50:18 +0200") Message-ID: <87y25llsyx.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii writes: > Not that it matters now, but I'm curious: why "append" and not "add"? With "append" it's clear that we're talking about a list of names, while "add" is ambiguous. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: oracle.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: SJ0PR10MB5488.namprd10.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: e23f5dd6-dfaa-4a5b-cfa1-08d9aab60bf7 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 18 Nov 2021 17:08:31.0120 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 4e2c6054-71cb-48f1-bd6c-3a9705aca71b X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: XNC4pgr1SdnQawPzrZmzECREPsD1OQ0S83qNCpsqz8Fqi9iobFyOkMpFrMZErtWIU4yAsnMsLuRPjrQgKJhaeA== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BY5PR10MB4321 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6300 definitions=10172 signatures=668683 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 mlxscore=0 malwarescore=0 mlxlogscore=382 suspectscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2110150000 definitions=main-2111180091 X-Proofpoint-GUID: pS5pOPBDhdNIrpPIrqPpf_3Jwx1zEqdA X-Proofpoint-ORIG-GUID: pS5pOPBDhdNIrpPIrqPpf_3Jwx1zEqdA X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 51876 Cc: "51876@debbugs.gnu.org" <51876@debbugs.gnu.org>, Stefan Kangas X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > > Not that it matters now, but I'm curious: why "append" and not "add"? >=20 > With "append" it's clear that we're talking about a list of names, while > "add" is ambiguous. We're _not_ appending. Not at all. We're actually _setting_ the bookmark with that name to the specified (typically new) location. "Set" is the right word. It's precisely the word for what happens. It's true that wrt the `bookmark-alist' we're "adding" the bookmark to the front of the alist ("prepending", if you like). But we're not adding a bookmark to those that are in effect at the current time. Once the new bookmark is "added" this way, any previously existing bookmarks with the same name are _no longer usable_ (till the new one is removed). They _exist_ on the alist (users can manipulate them there, e.g., using Lisp), but they're not usable as such (you can't jump to them, etc.). So far, you're just making things worse, I'm afraid. `bookmark-set' sets a bookmark. "Set" means create or update. That there are 2 ways to deal with previously created bookmarks with the same name is a different question, and is best dealt with by having two commands, one of which prompts for confirmation to overwrite (see my previous msg). From unknown Thu Sep 18 23:15:29 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2021 12:24:14 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator