From unknown Mon Aug 18 14:20:11 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#5187 <5187@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#5187 <5187@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 23.1.90; default fonts have gotten worse in the last month Reply-To: bug#5187 <5187@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2025 21:20:11 +0000 retitle 5187 23.1.90; default fonts have gotten worse in the last month reassign 5187 emacs submitter 5187 Joseph Brenner severity 5187 normal thanks From doom@kzsu.stanford.edu Fri Dec 11 20:08:19 2009 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 12 Dec 2009 04:08:19 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=4.0 tests=AWL,FOURLA autolearn=no version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id nBC48HxE028420 for ; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:08:18 -0800 Received: from mx10.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:51275) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NJJHE-00063j-Um for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:08:17 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NJJHA-0008FS-CG for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:08:16 -0500 Received: from m208-84.dsl.rawbw.com ([198.144.208.84]:46832 helo=localhost) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NJJH9-0008FE-9n for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 23:08:12 -0500 Received: by localhost (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 885BF2C014; Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:09:02 -0800 (PST) From: Joseph Brenner To: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org Subject: 23.1.90; default fonts have gotten worse in the last month Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 20:09:02 -0800 Message-ID: <874onw6dgh.fsf@kzsu.stanford.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) Recently, emacs seemed to have been using some nicer looking fonts by default, for example in the cvs build as of nov 18, 2009: http://obsidianrook.com/data/emacs/default_font_111809_emacs_build.jpg The 23.1.90 pretest and the latest cvs build (dec 11, 2009) have much weaker default fonts: http://obsidianrook.com/data/emacs/emacs-23.1.90-fonts.jpg http://obsidianrook.com/data/emacs/default_font_121109_emacs_build.jpg In GNU Emacs 23.1.90.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.16.1) of 2009-12-11 on fineline Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.10600000 configured using `configure '--prefix' '/usr/local/emacs/cvs-121109'' Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: nil value of $LC_COLLATE: nil value of $LC_CTYPE: nil value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil value of $LC_MONETARY: nil value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil value of $LC_TIME: nil value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8 value of $XMODIFIERS: nil locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix default enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Shell Minor modes in effect: shell-dirtrack-mode: t display-time-mode: t tooltip-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t global-auto-composition-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t column-number-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent input: C-n C-n M-f C-f n o SPC l o n g e r SPC w o r k s , SPC SPC i n SPC t h e SPC M-d M-d M-d M-d C-d M-f M-f M-f SPC o f C-f C-d C-e SPC ( t h o u g h SPC i t SPC w a s SPC d e f i n i t e l y SPC w o r k i n g SPC w i t h SPC a SPC a s SPC o f SPC n o v SPC 1 8 . SPC 2 0 0 9 ) : C-a C-n C-x C-s C-n C-p C-p M-f M-f C-a C-n C-x C-s C-n C-p C-p C-l C-e . SPC SPC S t a r t i n g SPC w t h i i t h SPC - - d e b u g - i n i t , SPC i t SPC r e p o r t s : C-a C-n C-x C-s C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-l C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-l C-SPC C-n C-w C-x C-o C-x C-s C-o C-x C-s C-n M-x m e a e m a v s c s SPC b e r SPC b e r s SPC M-b C-d v e C-e C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-n C-l C-n C-v C-v C-v C-v C-v C-v C-v > C-c C-c y e s C-e M-x r e p o r t SPC e m SPC b SPC Recent messages: Mark set Saving file /home/doom/Mail/drafts/*message*-20091211-194721... Wrote /home/doom/Mail/drafts/*message*-20091211-194721 Saving file /home/doom/Mail/drafts/*message*-20091211-194721... Wrote /home/doom/Mail/drafts/*message*-20091211-194721 GNU Emacs 23.1.90.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.16.1) of 2009-12-11 on fineline Mark set Sending... Sending via mail... 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Joseph Brenner skrev: > Recently, emacs seemed to have been using some nicer looking > fonts by default, for example in the cvs build as of nov 18, 2009: > > http://obsidianrook.com/data/emacs/default_font_111809_emacs_build.jpg > > The 23.1.90 pretest and the latest cvs build (dec 11, 2009) have > much weaker default fonts: > > http://obsidianrook.com/data/emacs/emacs-23.1.90-fonts.jpg > http://obsidianrook.com/data/emacs/default_font_121109_emacs_build.jpg > What environment are you using (KDE, Gnome, Xfce, other)? Does other Gnome applications have fonts as your Emacs had in nov 18? What does % xrdb -query|grep Xft give? Does % emacs -fn 'Monospace-10:hintstyle=3' give the results you want? Jan D. From doom@kzsu.stanford.edu Sun Dec 13 13:20:46 2009 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 13 Dec 2009 21:20:46 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. 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X-Mailer: MH-E 8.1; nmh 1.2; GNU Emacs 23.1.50 Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 13:20:31 -0800 From: Joe Brenner X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.56 on 171.66.118.47 X-Greylist: Sender DNS name whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-2.0.2 (kzsu.stanford.edu [127.0.0.1]); Sun, 13 Dec 2009 13:20:37 -0800 (PST) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan_Dj=E4rv?= wrote: > Joseph Brenner skrev: > > Recently, emacs seemed to have been using some nicer looking > > fonts by default, for example in the cvs build as of nov 18, 2009: > > > > http://obsidianrook.com/data/emacs/default_font_111809_emacs_build.jpg > > > > The 23.1.90 pretest and the latest cvs build (dec 11, 2009) have > > much weaker default fonts: > > > > http://obsidianrook.com/data/emacs/emacs-23.1.90-fonts.jpg > > http://obsidianrook.com/data/emacs/default_font_121109_emacs_build.jpg > What environment are you using (KDE, Gnome, Xfce, other)? I'm using the icewm window manager on what is technically a "kubuntu" installation (jaunty). > Does other Gnome applications have fonts as your Emacs had in nov 18? I should explain that I'm comparing different builds on the same machine at the same time -- Gnome/KDE/etc are identical in both cases. > What does > % xrdb -query|grep Xft > give? Nothing. Withouth the grep filter: xrdb -query *customization: -color > Does > % emacs -fn 'Monospace-10:hintstyle=3' > give the results you want? No, I don't see any change with that. But actually, I think I should apologize for giving you an unclear bug report. I was complaining about the new fonts not being "as nice", but now that I look at it more closely, really the only difference is the fonts with the latest emacs are smaller by default. In this screen shot, the emacs on the right looks the same as the one in the upper left, but it's the same version as the ones on the lower left, I've just manually scaled up the font a notch with "C-x C-+": http://obsidianrook.com/data/emacs/emacs-23.1.90-default-font-size.jpg So the "bug" here is that the default font size for 23.1.90 is smaller than for 23.1.50. From jan.h.d@swipnet.se Mon Dec 14 00:40:27 2009 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 14 Dec 2009 08:40:28 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=4.0 tests=AWL,HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id nBE8eQqP015074 for ; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 00:40:27 -0800 Received: from mail.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:53314 helo=mx10.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NK6Th-0000ty-Co for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 03:40:25 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NK6Tf-0000fJ-RV for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 03:40:24 -0500 Received: from proxy3.bredband.net ([195.54.101.73]:62521) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NK6Tf-0000f1-DC for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 03:40:23 -0500 Received: from ipb2.telenor.se (195.54.127.165) by proxy3.bredband.net (7.3.140.3) id 4AD3E1BA019F8FB1 for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 09:40:22 +0100 X-SMTPAUTH-B2: X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AqVLAOqIJUtV4S1uPGdsb2JhbACBSplmAQEBATe6AYQrBI0k X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.47,394,1257116400"; d="scan'208";a="15405002" Received: from c-6e2de155.25-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO coolsville.localdomain) ([85.225.45.110]) by ipb2.telenor.se with ESMTP; 14 Dec 2009 09:40:21 +0100 Received: from [172.20.199.2] (gaffa [172.20.199.2]) by coolsville.localdomain (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A3FA7FA07B; Mon, 14 Dec 2009 09:40:21 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <4B25F9F4.609@swipnet.se> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 09:40:20 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jan_Dj=E4rv?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joe Brenner CC: 5187@debbugs.gnu.org, emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org, 5187-done@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#5187: 23.1.90; default fonts have gotten worse in the last month References: <874onw6dgh.fsf@kzsu.stanford.edu> <4B24E962.9090502@swipnet.se> <200912132120.nBDLKVNv002284@kzsu.stanford.edu> In-Reply-To: <200912132120.nBDLKVNv002284@kzsu.stanford.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. Joe Brenner skrev: > But actually, I think I should apologize for giving you an unclear bug > report. I was complaining about the new fonts not being "as nice", > but now that I look at it more closely, really the only difference is > the fonts with the latest emacs are smaller by default. In this screen > shot, the emacs on the right looks the same as the one in the upper left, > but it's the same version as the ones on the lower left, I've just > manually scaled up the font a notch with "C-x C-+": > > http://obsidianrook.com/data/emacs/emacs-23.1.90-default-font-size.jpg > > So the "bug" here is that the default font size for 23.1.90 is > smaller than for 23.1.50. Ah, then it is just the case of differing DPI:s. Emacs now uses the DPI set by the system as indicated by xsettings (http://standards.freedesktop.org/xsettings-spec/xsettings-spec-0.5.html). We do that so Emacs looks like other applications for the same font. Note that the text in the menus are the same in both your cases (large and small Emacs font). This is because Gtk uses the system DPI setting for both your Emacses. If you wan't the old size, either customize Emacs with that font (I guess monospace-11, but you have to try) or adjust the systems notion of DPI (in system settings, appearence somewhere). Note if you do the latter, the font size in the menu will change. So there is no bug here. Well, the bug can be said to be that the older Emacs picked the larger font. Jan D. From unknown Mon Aug 18 14:20:11 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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