From unknown Tue Aug 19 21:02:59 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#51847 <51847@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#51847 <51847@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: Minor Refcard fix. Reply-To: bug#51847 <51847@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2025 04:02:59 +0000 retitle 51847 Minor Refcard fix. reassign 51847 emacs submitter 51847 Andr=C3=A9 A. 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Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 17:31:29 +0300 Message-ID: <87mtm6x0zi.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" X-Host-Lookup-Failed: Reverse DNS lookup failed for 2a00:1450:4864:20::22a (failed) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::22a; envelope-from=andremegafone@gmail.com; helo=mail-lj1-x22a.google.com X-Spam_score_int: 6 X-Spam_score: 0.6 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (0.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_40=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, PDS_HP_HELO_NORDNS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RDNS_NONE=0.793, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Emacs, Please find a refcard patch attached. -- Andr=C3=A9 A. Gomes "Free Thought, Free World" --=-=-= Content-Type: text/x-patch; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=0001-Fix-C-k-description-in-refcards.patch Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >From faf697747be7857900e5c7f9eaa01e477d3b6fe1 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: =3D?UTF-8?q?Andr=3DC3=3DA9=3D20A=3D2E=3D20Gomes?=3D Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 17:25:51 +0300 Subject: [PATCH] Fix C-k description in refcards. C-0 C-k is much easier to type than M-0 C-k. --- etc/refcards/cs-refcard.tex | 2 +- etc/refcards/de-refcard.tex | 2 +- etc/refcards/fr-refcard.tex | 2 +- etc/refcards/pl-refcard.tex | 4 ++-- etc/refcards/pt-br-refcard.tex | 2 +- etc/refcards/refcard.tex | 2 +- etc/refcards/ru-refcard.tex | 2 +- etc/refcards/sk-refcard.tex | 2 +- 8 files changed, 9 insertions(+), 9 deletions(-) diff --git a/etc/refcards/cs-refcard.tex b/etc/refcards/cs-refcard.tex index 4d9a8b34ae..f778cc47d5 100644 --- a/etc/refcards/cs-refcard.tex +++ b/etc/refcards/cs-refcard.tex @@ -354,7 +354,7 @@ \section{Ru=C5=A1en=C3=AD a maz=C3=A1n=C3=AD} \threecol{{\bf ru=C5=A1en=C3=BD objekt }}{{\bf dozadu}}{{\bf dop=C5=99edu}} \threecol{znak (maz=C3=A1n=C3=AD, ne ru=C5=A1en=C3=AD)}{DEL}{C-d} \threecol{slovo}{M-DEL}{M-d} -\threecol{=C5=99=C3=A1dek (do konce)}{M-0 C-k}{C-k} +\threecol{=C5=99=C3=A1dek (do konce)}{C-0 C-k}{C-k} \threecol{v=C4=9Bta}{C-x DEL}{M-k} \threecol{symbolick=C3=BD v=C3=BDraz}{M-- C-M-k}{C-M-k} } diff --git a/etc/refcards/de-refcard.tex b/etc/refcards/de-refcard.tex index 9cd0df7a5e..73ce25efb9 100644 --- a/etc/refcards/de-refcard.tex +++ b/etc/refcards/de-refcard.tex @@ -357,7 +357,7 @@ \section{L\"oschen und Ausschneiden} \threecol{{\bf Textteile ausschneiden}}{{\bf r\"uckw.}}{{\bf vorw.}} \threecol{Zeichen (l\"oschen, nicht ausschneiden)}{DEL}{C-d} \threecol{Wort}{M-DEL}{M-d} -\threecol{Zeile (bis zum Ende)}{M-0 C-k}{C-k} +\threecol{Zeile (bis zum Ende)}{C-0 C-k}{C-k} \threecol{Satz}{C-x DEL}{M-k} \threecol{Lisp-s-expression}{M-- C-M-k}{C-M-k} } diff --git a/etc/refcards/fr-refcard.tex b/etc/refcards/fr-refcard.tex index ad6db6340d..db06d46d63 100644 --- a/etc/refcards/fr-refcard.tex +++ b/etc/refcards/fr-refcard.tex @@ -355,7 +355,7 @@ \section{D\'etruire et supprimer} \threecol{{\bf Objet \`a supprimer}}{{\bf En arri\`ere}}{{\bf En avant}} \threecol{Caract\`ere (suppression)}{DEL}{C-d} \threecol{Mot}{M-DEL}{M-d} -\threecol{Ligne (jusqu'au d\'ebut/fin)}{M-0 C-k}{C-k} +\threecol{Ligne (jusqu'au d\'ebut/fin)}{C-0 C-k}{C-k} \threecol{Phrase}{C-x DEL}{M-k} \threecol{S-expression}{M-- C-M-k}{C-M-k} } diff --git a/etc/refcards/pl-refcard.tex b/etc/refcards/pl-refcard.tex index 5c12dbfbf5..e00a095f93 100644 --- a/etc/refcards/pl-refcard.tex +++ b/etc/refcards/pl-refcard.tex @@ -456,13 +456,13 @@ \section{Kasowanie i usuwanie} %\threecol{{\bf entity to kill}}{{\bf backward}}{{\bf forward}} %\threecol{character (delete, not kill)}{DEL}{C-d} %\threecol{word}{M-DEL}{M-d} -%\threecol{line (to end of)}{M-0 C-k}{C-k} +%\threecol{line (to end of)}{C-0 C-k}{C-k} %\threecol{sentence}{C-x DEL}{M-k} %\threecol{sexp}{M-- C-M-k}{C-M-k} \threecolheader{{\bf obiekt do skasowania}}{{\bf wstecz}}{{\bf wprz/od}} \threecol{znak (usu/n, nie kasuj)}{DEL}{C-d} \threecol{s/lowo}{M-DEL}{M-d} -\threecol{linia (od kursora do ko/nca)}{M-0 C-k}{C-k} +\threecol{linia (od kursora do ko/nca)}{C-0 C-k}{C-k} \threecol{zdanie}{C-x DEL}{M-k} \threecol{s-wyra/zenie}{M-- C-M-k}{C-M-k} } diff --git a/etc/refcards/pt-br-refcard.tex b/etc/refcards/pt-br-refcard.tex index 9226a6d8fb..c08ddd799d 100644 --- a/etc/refcards/pt-br-refcard.tex +++ b/etc/refcards/pt-br-refcard.tex @@ -361,7 +361,7 @@ \section{Cortando e Apagando} \threecol{{\bf entidade a cortar}}{{\bf tr{\'a}s}}{{\bf frente}} \threecol{caracter (apaga, n{\~a}o corta)}{DEL}{C-d} \threecol{palavra}{M-DEL}{M-d} -\threecol{linha (at{\'e} o final)}{M-0 C-k}{C-k} +\threecol{linha (at{\'e} o final)}{C-0 C-k}{C-k} \threecol{senten{\c{c}}a}{C-x DEL}{M-k} \threecol{sexp}{M-- C-M-k}{C-M-k} } diff --git a/etc/refcards/refcard.tex b/etc/refcards/refcard.tex index bc057569a7..3ce44c5b7d 100644 --- a/etc/refcards/refcard.tex +++ b/etc/refcards/refcard.tex @@ -367,7 +367,7 @@ \section{Killing and Deleting} \threecol{{\bf entity to kill}}{{\bf backward}}{{\bf forward}} \threecol{character (delete, not kill)}{DEL}{C-d} \threecol{word}{M-DEL}{M-d} -\threecol{line (to end of)}{M-0 C-k}{C-k} +\threecol{line (to end of)}{C-0 C-k}{C-k} \threecol{sentence}{C-x DEL}{M-k} \threecol{sexp}{M-- C-M-k}{C-M-k} } diff --git a/etc/refcards/ru-refcard.tex b/etc/refcards/ru-refcard.tex index 018be36eb4..39067ee24b 100644 --- a/etc/refcards/ru-refcard.tex +++ b/etc/refcards/ru-refcard.tex @@ -174,7 +174,7 @@ \section{=D0=A3=D0=BD=D0=B8=D1=87=D1=82=D0=BE=D0=B6=D0= =B5=D0=BD=D0=B8=D0=B5 =D0=B8 =D1=83=D0=B4=D0=B0=D0=BB=D0=B5=D0=BD=D0=B8=D0= =B5} {\bf =D1=83=D0=BD=D0=B8=D1=87=D1=82=D0=BE=D0=B6=D0=B0=D0=B5=D0=BC=D1=8B=D0= =B9 =D0=BE=D0=B1=D1=8A=D0=B5=D0=BA=D1=82} & {\bf =D0=BD=D0=B0=D0=B7=D0=B0= =D0=B4} & {\bf =D0=B2=D0=BF=D0=B5=D1=80=D0=B5=D0=B4} \\ =D1=81=D0=B8=D0=BC=D0=B2=D0=BE=D0=BB (=D1=83=D0=B4=D0=B0=D0=BB=D0=B5=D0=BD= =D0=B8=D0=B5, =D0=B0 =D0=BD=D0=B5 =D1=83=D0=BD=D0=B8=D1=87=D1=82=D0=BE=D0= =B6=D0=B5=D0=BD=D0=B8=D0=B5) & \kbd{DEL} & \kbd{C-d} \\ =D1=81=D0=BB=D0=BE=D0=B2=D0=BE & \kbd{M-DEL} & \kbd{M-d} \\ -=D1=81=D1=82=D1=80=D0=BE=D0=BA=D0=B0 (=D0=B4=D0=BE =D0=BA=D0=BE=D0=BD=D1= =86=D0=B0 =D1=81=D1=82=D1=80=D0=BE=D0=BA=D0=B8) & \kbd{M-0 C-k} & \kbd{C-k}= \\ +=D1=81=D1=82=D1=80=D0=BE=D0=BA=D0=B0 (=D0=B4=D0=BE =D0=BA=D0=BE=D0=BD=D1= =86=D0=B0 =D1=81=D1=82=D1=80=D0=BE=D0=BA=D0=B8) & \kbd{C-0 C-k} & \kbd{C-k}= \\ =D0=BF=D1=80=D0=B5=D0=B4=D0=BB=D0=BE=D0=B6=D0=B5=D0=BD=D0=B8=D0=B5 & \kbd{= C-x DEL} & \kbd{M-k} \\ =D0=B2=D1=8B=D1=80=D0=B0=D0=B6=D0=B5=D0=BD=D0=B8=D0=B5 & \kbd{M-- C-M-k} &= \kbd{C-M-k} \\ \end{tabular} diff --git a/etc/refcards/sk-refcard.tex b/etc/refcards/sk-refcard.tex index bda808f232..ca0cf98c74 100644 --- a/etc/refcards/sk-refcard.tex +++ b/etc/refcards/sk-refcard.tex @@ -354,7 +354,7 @@ \section{Ru=C5=A1enie a mazanie} \threecol{{\bf ru=C5=A1en=C3=BD objekt }}{{\bf vzad}}{{\bf vpred}} \threecol{znak (mazanie, nie ru=C5=A1enie)}{DEL}{C-d} \threecol{slovo}{M-DEL}{M-d} -\threecol{riadok (do konca)}{M-0 C-k}{C-k} +\threecol{riadok (do konca)}{C-0 C-k}{C-k} \threecol{veta}{C-x DEL}{M-k} \threecol{symbolick=C3=BD v=C3=BDraz}{M-- C-M-k}{C-M-k} } --=20 2.33.1 --=-=-=-- From 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Gomes In-Reply-To: <87mtm6x0zi.fsf@gmail.com> (message from =?utf-8?Q?Andr=C3=A9?= A. Gomes on Sun, 14 Nov 2021 17:31:29 +0300) Subject: Re: bug#51847: Minor Refcard fix. References: <87mtm6x0zi.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 51847 Cc: 51847@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: André A. Gomes > Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 17:31:29 +0300 > > Please find a refcard patch attached. Thanks, but what is the reason for the change? M-0 invokes the same command as C-0. 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Gomes In-Reply-To: <87fsrywz1h.fsf@gmail.com> (message from =?utf-8?Q?Andr=C3=A9?= A. Gomes on Sun, 14 Nov 2021 18:13:30 +0300) Subject: Re: bug#51847: Minor Refcard fix. References: <87mtm6x0zi.fsf@gmail.com> <8335nyvkvh.fsf@gnu.org> <87fsrywz1h.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 51847 Cc: 51847@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) [Please use Reply All to keep the bug tracker on the CC list.] > From: André A. Gomes > Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 18:13:30 +0300 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > Thanks, but what is the reason for the change? M-0 invokes the same > > command as C-0. > > As stated in the commit message, it's easier to type C-0 C-k than M-0 > C-k. > > Mickey Peterson in his book "Mastering Emacs", calls such a thing > "maintaining the tempo". For example, "C-- M-d" and "M-- M-d" are > equivalent, but the latter is much easier to type. The former is said > to "break the tempo". But M-0 has the advantage of being available on text-mode frames, whereas C-0 requires a GUI frame. That's why the refcards use the former. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Nov 14 10:36:00 2021 Received: (at 51847) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Nov 2021 15:36:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51371 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mmHY0-0003Et-Hj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 14 Nov 2021 10:36:00 -0500 Received: from mail-lj1-f174.google.com ([209.85.208.174]:44021) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mmHXy-0003Eh-Lp for 51847@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 14 Nov 2021 10:35:59 -0500 Received: by mail-lj1-f174.google.com with SMTP id 207so29698834ljf.10 for <51847@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 14 Nov 2021 07:35:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=mioMs1nQaU3+PEFuQ/p2M+Af0h6W9LNhwrFtr8fc0v0=; b=cBYpjlnX7ofCF7dQUVtul6NhoarH1LTOvBbrq8Mz8qP8QE5h+Mpi41Y8Z45UJdNka9 CXRtvYMFhhpk3LI9MqI/hUbU0SpB5JJL4MrW4vG7qlJBbHsvIH9Ac8SVgWNvuAD6T8La qXyaIXbTVHSi+dAlk2dE0MbeRmeaRQEXUXZcR+MHN9b/+noETe4Y4lpXhl/q3U4O9Qp2 3IFr46qjvfR8FZigFPJrB2Mvz52Bapc6T341COg9OohFh1K/0grHoIrOxHK9aJephFC8 Ry411VXgWcLRzOnPePGgM8FeRQqLPXyhp//ucZb++Se4gucoOtQG9IiL8+jgpiO0Mk8C JD4A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=mioMs1nQaU3+PEFuQ/p2M+Af0h6W9LNhwrFtr8fc0v0=; b=QXO9Tpsb2+l9Ydl0/YLLSCcGCVOH0+umZERbzB50dBUxSF5Qx/3KW36z9BBzC7xMTh qTrlbLTcUV2ZmqugV0urw/glZwVxFRZD8TWwhuYaG7MFxSWRNP6jpC+RmzeWpL+3gx2f /l5oQf02gqga8JtCNFnRDGN2HqPigWHuY0GvNX5xjGQtb/8NBSXvxqKA/ICDetGAvN/2 iAnuSq3hNdHCPhmrVSEcBbVbrv44YhTXXmKejZob5Uq8DolwtWR6ms7txJLm+KvvCJWY SWB0XhsNNK5u6gaxzQxRf3FBi4A1IaFB5FHvHyYM2zqRkr2d/zS6KsOC0edR7uLkkM0K aFmQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533XBNZEYQc5uwmEnGCeGwYh4PamLqkSRoJoFKxrcAcvzL3ENF/M OQ5FSsghPFUEVjyh16Eh3DEyPJXSkMs= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyXRbEhLnBM72LR+peSsl9wLq7T/2FClFJ244l5hkMc379ZeoYHbBLHJAa+lqxmWTHTLjtCkw== X-Received: by 2002:a2e:86cb:: with SMTP id n11mr31814857ljj.425.1636904152565; Sun, 14 Nov 2021 07:35:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from guix-xps13 ([89.113.47.146]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x40sm1275804lfa.130.2021.11.14.07.35.52 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 14 Nov 2021 07:35:52 -0800 (PST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Andr=C3=A9_A=2E_Gomes?= To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#51847: Minor Refcard fix. References: <87mtm6x0zi.fsf@gmail.com> <8335nyvkvh.fsf@gnu.org> <87fsrywz1h.fsf@gmail.com> <83zgq6u56p.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 18:35:51 +0300 In-Reply-To: <83zgq6u56p.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 14 Nov 2021 17:29:02 +0200") Message-ID: <878rxq4unc.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 51847 Cc: 51847@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> As stated in the commit message, it's easier to type C-0 C-k than M-0 >> C-k.=20=20 >>=20 >> Mickey Peterson in his book "Mastering Emacs", calls such a thing >> "maintaining the tempo". For example, "C-- M-d" and "M-- M-d" are >> equivalent, but the latter is much easier to type. The former is said >> to "break the tempo". > > But M-0 has the advantage of being available on text-mode frames, > whereas C-0 requires a GUI frame. That's why the refcards use the > former. I see. I wasn't aware of that. Still, I'd say that "C-u 0 C-k" is saner than "M-0 C-k". WDYT? --=20 Andr=C3=A9 A. Gomes "Free Thought, Free World" From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Nov 14 11:13:13 2021 Received: (at 51847) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Nov 2021 16:13:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51404 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mmI81-0004DD-2U for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 14 Nov 2021 11:13:13 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:33776) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mmI80-0004D1-D2 for 51847@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 14 Nov 2021 11:13:12 -0500 Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=57156 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mmI7v-0000EC-77; Sun, 14 Nov 2021 11:13:07 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=3GHZYs9hd/p9IKPqvfyWaZnWVFZ89fKP0oW5q/SQScg=; b=Z+xKRob8jXugmxbgGbTO 6+8jQfnsaY5xjNd+h+4MoQdK6pV88mPgi0dnPz9pWxL8CwzuGws6wmkm5AUzF4qmzy6KwjHEIlDFl wKeraebDd7Hxh/Qo1bHoTrhikPYKNJmVmsoiJGxwUwy3K5ZDoBZ5JlNoI3Zc0mbyI7ZxaBeMs/yza PGiTvB0lan4uLzGtDSI9DaESe4jFB5ODLPQTakS2TJoAukCpZrYyX1Kwu+nh/w23asaPqpXM3Smc0 D4Tc96VwbsW2yC+Nhc6mvNzayOgm7lVYZXlanySTC1rUH8D0fNNNavT1c8qAU1DkGZtG0tOcMsc1X XDHvd+y2ujHt9g==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=1975 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mmI7t-0001DP-Rw; Sun, 14 Nov 2021 11:13:07 -0500 Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 18:12:53 +0200 Message-Id: <83v90uu35m.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: =?utf-8?Q?Andr=C3=A9?= A. Gomes In-Reply-To: <878rxq4unc.fsf@gmail.com> (message from =?utf-8?Q?Andr=C3=A9?= A. Gomes on Sun, 14 Nov 2021 18:35:51 +0300) Subject: Re: bug#51847: Minor Refcard fix. References: <87mtm6x0zi.fsf@gmail.com> <8335nyvkvh.fsf@gnu.org> <87fsrywz1h.fsf@gmail.com> <83zgq6u56p.fsf@gnu.org> <878rxq4unc.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 51847 Cc: 51847@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: André A. Gomes > Cc: 51847@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 18:35:51 +0300 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> As stated in the commit message, it's easier to type C-0 C-k than M-0 > >> C-k. > >> > >> Mickey Peterson in his book "Mastering Emacs", calls such a thing > >> "maintaining the tempo". For example, "C-- M-d" and "M-- M-d" are > >> equivalent, but the latter is much easier to type. The former is said > >> to "break the tempo". > > > > But M-0 has the advantage of being available on text-mode frames, > > whereas C-0 requires a GUI frame. That's why the refcards use the > > former. > > I see. I wasn't aware of that. > > Still, I'd say that "C-u 0 C-k" is saner than "M-0 C-k". WDYT? I don't know. Does anyone else have an opinion? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Nov 14 11:30:27 2021 Received: (at 51847) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Nov 2021 16:30:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51416 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mmIOg-0004fj-RW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 14 Nov 2021 11:30:27 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:34076) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mmIOe-0004fV-23 for 51847@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 14 Nov 2021 11:30:25 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=gzopgZS6eis4EiLNOUSpK228BxDXh23W9mOhcJUhss8=; b=kWgXpHRcVHxP/WOJ9Mq9sXX1CA O3qtCeSaw9tm38XJMHgHCZROY0+lyCk+MreorYv31cCNq90JChGvRGV7KRFnI+A6qA1UT2/KJlf6u ZPvlbeJ19vpB3UquqaQAK+776ZldzvFGyILUgxa02hvE8Uqtr6iyqfvsXS22JLarpN5I=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mmIOU-0005G8-BB; Sun, 14 Nov 2021 17:30:17 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#51847: Minor Refcard fix. References: <87mtm6x0zi.fsf@gmail.com> <8335nyvkvh.fsf@gnu.org> <87fsrywz1h.fsf@gmail.com> <83zgq6u56p.fsf@gnu.org> <878rxq4unc.fsf@gmail.com> <83v90uu35m.fsf@gnu.org> X-Now-Playing: Mia Doi Todd's _Ten Views of Music Life_: "My Fisherman (SunEye Remix)" Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 17:30:13 +0100 In-Reply-To: <83v90uu35m.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 14 Nov 2021 18:12:53 +0200") Message-ID: <87y25q66p6.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> > But M-0 has the advantage of being available on text-mode frames, >> > whereas C-0 requires a GUI frame. That's why the refcards use the >> > former. >> >> I see. I wasn't aware of that. >> >> St [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 51847 Cc: "=?utf-8?Q?Andr=C3=A9?= A. Gomes" , 51847@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> > But M-0 has the advantage of being available on text-mode frames, >> > whereas C-0 requires a GUI frame. That's why the refcards use the >> > former. >> >> I see. I wasn't aware of that. >> >> Still, I'd say that "C-u 0 C-k" is saner than "M-0 C-k". WDYT? > > I don't know. Does anyone else have an opinion? We should limit the refcards to key combinations that are available on both terminals and guis (if possible). So I don't think we should make this change, since many people use Emacs on terminals. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Nov 14 11:37:03 2021 Received: (at 51847) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Nov 2021 16:37:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51424 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mmIV4-0004q2-PI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 14 Nov 2021 11:37:02 -0500 Received: from mail-lj1-f169.google.com ([209.85.208.169]:45722) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mmIV1-0004pW-Gw for 51847@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 14 Nov 2021 11:37:00 -0500 Received: by mail-lj1-f169.google.com with SMTP id e7so15466770ljq.12 for <51847@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 14 Nov 2021 08:36:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=lsmqcrfiyTRtFn4vdAcB+L7vTQ93bGE6LRi3jaJ61c8=; b=k9PDgM6ZlxAJbWdRLiaNCrwmqQUP8TEWPybWA8F9WFhMIVue32kUAhINA7qAdM1NGA Y9wHqoGZpnQ3tOSIvCm2f/zElNJv0r+SzSnq6rvksQitCAXUjaVxSGlFuJhgGywwEy3t iSl6ixUWJYX34t7pKqzKujuHqRgUicy70ByCWXaB0MAM2dhKysCQu4DngXp5hZl1PeC2 Y58rnJJrvDTWzctcHOEpcMUgtD4Lf14kCtYiNAI0ebMcrP/KGpUS2YuhN0Se1t+OutBr Ztpv/p9A3geMMgfIaNpuhPKq+/xUlxEINg3F4JjQyttXuLXZahCNgKlDwp5L+clSuBYc ZDdg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=lsmqcrfiyTRtFn4vdAcB+L7vTQ93bGE6LRi3jaJ61c8=; b=eH9MVHrHuyacAGO/UGcMPDM0fvgByNZJgTgXqvBczslbL5//Yu0IJnbQ/G2Q6wz86q 5H7KZ3SoRd6NhJqBdG7XzJ7WB+d5ddMzqMSYeFxmqMgGTmw1+e5H5UvZ1ltf6PDT8uEs Hu8ldSnICtyg+ecehmD8v12rcZQL6EjKSP2jbs8r4FeNBsFqpYz24xLmz9BVo+1wk1nP yDfTfTIsAR0hR1tsaRoTglslEnO6pVZN2sCEvmqZ3I2kNxAkVZGhltNpcItT7eU4Srlh MWhWwDrrpMJg0J/xdoBYD+Haw31BUQvpifcUAXlZ/ay5+bIDtvpylluxC9ONiiUUu3Ow XzZw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5326qRUEH5CWck1dT1SQT493RLa6Lq07tXmTBYZ5ST2YjKC29ml7 9DzAsgMkTuEZC2yObFCnLZ6ZhajiXus= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwjfBbHvBonHIwkk0UBvuJgfpnho3k8KHyNJczbC1ZTso+pclGw/Fi525RrU65WeNiSo5HHWQ== X-Received: by 2002:a2e:b5d2:: with SMTP id g18mr31994210ljn.354.1636907813443; Sun, 14 Nov 2021 08:36:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from guix-xps13 ([89.113.47.146]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x40sm1289067lfa.130.2021.11.14.08.36.52 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 14 Nov 2021 08:36:53 -0800 (PST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Andr=C3=A9_A=2E_Gomes?= To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#51847: Minor Refcard fix. References: <87mtm6x0zi.fsf@gmail.com> <8335nyvkvh.fsf@gnu.org> <87fsrywz1h.fsf@gmail.com> <83zgq6u56p.fsf@gnu.org> <878rxq4unc.fsf@gmail.com> <83v90uu35m.fsf@gnu.org> <87y25q66p6.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 19:36:52 +0300 In-Reply-To: <87y25q66p6.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sun, 14 Nov 2021 17:30:13 +0100") Message-ID: <87ee7iy9qz.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 51847 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 51847@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Eli Zaretskii writes: > >>> > But M-0 has the advantage of being available on text-mode frames, >>> > whereas C-0 requires a GUI frame. That's why the refcards use the >>> > former. >>> >>> I see. I wasn't aware of that. >>> >>> Still, I'd say that "C-u 0 C-k" is saner than "M-0 C-k". WDYT? >> >> I don't know. Does anyone else have an opinion? > > We should limit the refcards to key combinations that are available on > both terminals and guis (if possible). So I don't think we should make > this change, since many people use Emacs on terminals. We agree. But the question at hand is if the patch (yet to be sent by me) that replaces "M-0 C-k" by "C-u 0 C-k" would be accepted. -- Andr=C3=A9 A. Gomes "Free Thought, Free World" From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Nov 14 11:43:39 2021 Received: (at 51847) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Nov 2021 16:43:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51434 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mmIbS-000500-NW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 14 Nov 2021 11:43:39 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:37994) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mmIbJ-0004ze-LI for 51847@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 14 Nov 2021 11:43:37 -0500 Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=57604 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mmIbE-0003ZH-Bg; Sun, 14 Nov 2021 11:43:24 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=D6Xtp9ev9t2DPiIDm51sJbOiUBlOTyY7rV8pyleEVcM=; b=qvunof9WhWXUQZHsS7JO ozM4CTex5cY7gzVA2usqQw8W0ohN1YJNiUXapkl5hWq66bRFA89c05xe1Fp6cMfjz/L+M9gDmJwWs ckw4guDoNkZqFxx5wR/E7PPJXpWglDbOc8iUPHjBIzSK3yCjOV5TwIloNyKjomcJtPkkA5uTNBQw0 rIDikh2/0NLGx/yVpGBXpNmmPD7ITiGiDgber1zMOnTctJR0kvzTEhBTBDKRzKhjaBftEHVAYmtNq rimJpZLFa1MlxPEs6Hq32M1zYDkpO1VRcbtTOCflg0qBqPisJxrVcX9F5RxE4+0PJ8haEL5PqVPMk T1oNpZDbjSHIig==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=3818 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mmIbE-00023F-01; Sun, 14 Nov 2021 11:43:24 -0500 Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 18:43:11 +0200 Message-Id: <83sfvyu1r4.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Lars Ingebrigtsen In-Reply-To: <87y25q66p6.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Sun, 14 Nov 2021 17:30:13 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#51847: Minor Refcard fix. References: <87mtm6x0zi.fsf@gmail.com> <8335nyvkvh.fsf@gnu.org> <87fsrywz1h.fsf@gmail.com> <83zgq6u56p.fsf@gnu.org> <878rxq4unc.fsf@gmail.com> <83v90uu35m.fsf@gnu.org> <87y25q66p6.fsf@gnus.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 51847 Cc: andremegafone@gmail.com, 51847@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen > Cc: André A. Gomes , > 51847@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 17:30:13 +0100 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> Still, I'd say that "C-u 0 C-k" is saner than "M-0 C-k". WDYT? > > > > I don't know. Does anyone else have an opinion? > > We should limit the refcards to key combinations that are available on > both terminals and guis (if possible). So I don't think we should make > this change, since many people use Emacs on terminals. That's true and agreed, but "C-u 0 C-k" works on TTY as well. So the question is would it be better to replace "M-0 C-k" with "C-u 0 C-k". 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> >> Still, I'd say that "C-u 0 C-k" is saner than "M-0 C-k". WDYT? >> > >> > I don't know. Does anyone else have an opinion? >> >> We should limit the refcards to key combinations that are available [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 51847 Cc: andremegafone@gmail.com, 51847@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> >> Still, I'd say that "C-u 0 C-k" is saner than "M-0 C-k". WDYT? >> > >> > I don't know. Does anyone else have an opinion? >> >> We should limit the refcards to key combinations that are available on >> both terminals and guis (if possible). So I don't think we should make >> this change, since many people use Emacs on terminals. > > That's true and agreed, but "C-u 0 C-k" works on TTY as well. So the > question is would it be better to replace "M-0 C-k" with "C-u 0 C-k". Sorry; I missed that you'd changed what you were discussing. Uhm... I dunno. The two are about equally awkward to type, so I'm not sure changing it is an improvement. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Nov 14 12:31:36 2021 Received: (at 51847) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Nov 2021 17:31:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51520 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mmJLs-0008WT-J0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 14 Nov 2021 12:31:36 -0500 Received: from mail-lf1-f54.google.com ([209.85.167.54]:43878) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mmJLq-0008WD-B6 for 51847@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 14 Nov 2021 12:31:34 -0500 Received: by mail-lf1-f54.google.com with SMTP id b40so36974159lfv.10 for <51847@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 14 Nov 2021 09:31:34 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=m+sz0nTDG8pV/m8K+0oU7BcMjOjI4Usu+QGAdrbJ9RQ=; b=D/42DS/Xpv0VB6HSFV9JtBi4lL2TufiyIyIy5FTvI0R5A8EFgf++5HVT70og8ESF1c WaAshGQAIZOiZH0jtnAJ/HRvUFwKZmL++1NhdKhDsxvha68D2c7wp9BUUZemOJMkgEQW g50sZetLCXOLU/vyDOHL/6tUVNiYGwXMIJn/w1gBR0F+6bZJvkRhz7pLwV50oJq6RKHQ b/UifDaBDKnBx8+gS4AtWljztAH3POXpDJIs3cwBVHyGGurc7t2/emYyoYXoYOeDBEVJ hJb+5v9scNNW6YIbwyy/P2U4/0h9C9IPbnAS1lF73vxPx6Iedm2ptT1qhsuyPs6hIAw3 jQPQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=m+sz0nTDG8pV/m8K+0oU7BcMjOjI4Usu+QGAdrbJ9RQ=; b=N7xXZAuyieYY9jg7u8DHLAb+S5ArJnseMzepqvozaz6reR0Cnbvyj6EE9bASAhoPsI HcT2yXws2RExfKVlBROgpkghuX9ODR4bdeHY0DR90CkqGdwkoAX3zq+vlyJ/II8/E1iO j6Wojk+Sqzi690rbl/Jxq9I4Sm8BQR8wpRrliEU1Jik6XrP3S5kTmzBkHl3+OUpWrYqv +xObAS194ZmHH2U/ROYZJG8vxulXHp1uPDQccNgKNvCTLdJ7hlF654PWGR6wCTPUzF7p /dUO2uiMxwwrozK9r5bjCcNjC1Ph23njpCk1Ou/8dYyLYQqvPBvajN6uubi9knd1kuYi D6GQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531KGtCrVxrdfBCYmyehc4P/VBVjLGyEOGDBPsXY1deIRV/p0SJY Cfq2VRR6kq1Fi+KLX2DLzQTYFunAl80= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJx+lSO7P0sRuLFsxn7c5+1jOU2th/6Z6UyFa/tdgHzy5mIwqpyczlH7RYf+3zymuV/CFVgkLg== X-Received: by 2002:a05:6512:22ce:: with SMTP id g14mr29689143lfu.88.1636911088338; Sun, 14 Nov 2021 09:31:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from guix-xps13 ([89.113.47.146]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d15sm1039619lfq.38.2021.11.14.09.31.27 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 14 Nov 2021 09:31:28 -0800 (PST) From: =?utf-8?Q?Andr=C3=A9_A=2E_Gomes?= To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#51847: Minor Refcard fix. References: <87mtm6x0zi.fsf@gmail.com> <8335nyvkvh.fsf@gnu.org> <87fsrywz1h.fsf@gmail.com> <83zgq6u56p.fsf@gnu.org> <878rxq4unc.fsf@gmail.com> <83v90uu35m.fsf@gnu.org> <87y25q66p6.fsf@gnus.org> <83sfvyu1r4.fsf@gnu.org> <87tuge65sm.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 20:31:26 +0300 In-Reply-To: <87tuge65sm.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sun, 14 Nov 2021 17:49:45 +0100") Message-ID: <87a6i6y781.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 51847 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 51847@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: >> Eli Zaretskii writes: >> That's true and agreed, but "C-u 0 C-k" works on TTY as well. So the >> question is would it be better to replace "M-0 C-k" with "C-u 0 C-k". > > Sorry; I missed that you'd changed what you were discussing. > > Uhm... I dunno. The two are about equally awkward to type, so I'm not > sure changing it is an improvement. As I mentioned before in this thread, M-0 C-k "breaks the tempo", while C-u 0 C-k doesn't. --=20 Andr=C3=A9 A. 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Gomes Subject: Re: bug#51847: Minor Refcard fix. References: <87mtm6x0zi.fsf@gmail.com> <8335nyvkvh.fsf@gnu.org> <87fsrywz1h.fsf@gmail.com> <83zgq6u56p.fsf@gnu.org> <878rxq4unc.fsf@gmail.com> <83v90uu35m.fsf@gnu.org> <87y25q66p6.fsf@gnus.org> <83sfvyu1r4.fsf@gnu.org> <87tuge65sm.fsf@gnus.org> <87a6i6y781.fsf@gmail.com> X-Now-Playing: Yves Tumor, Naked's _The Asymptotical World (EP)_: "Tuck" Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2021 11:35:26 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87a6i6y781.fsf@gmail.com> (=?utf-8?Q?=22Andr=C3=A9?= A. Gomes"'s message of "Sun, 14 Nov 2021 20:31:26 +0300") Message-ID: <87bl176235.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: André A. Gomes writes: >> Uhm... I dunno. The two are about equally awkward to type, so I'm not >> sure changing it is an improvement. > > As I mentioned before in this thread, M-0 C-k "breaks the tempo", while > C-u 0 C-k [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 51847 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 51847@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Andr=C3=A9 A. Gomes writes: >> Uhm... I dunno. The two are about equally awkward to type, so I'm not >> sure changing it is an improvement. > > As I mentioned before in this thread, M-0 C-k "breaks the tempo", while > C-u 0 C-k doesn't. I think there wasn't much enthusiasm for changing this, as neither seems to be clearly superior to the other, so I'm closing this bug report. --=20 (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Dec 23 05:36:01 2021 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Dec 2021 10:36:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60492 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n0LS5-0006fs-Bt for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 23 Dec 2021 05:36:01 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:58622) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n0LRq-0006fH-HT for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 23 Dec 2021 05:36:00 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Subject:From:To:Message-Id:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=ypjEsW+8g5w2NBFmDK7dEFVE6u7NjNeuY9TB8tU27Ys=; b=GVNW5rMWOiNVjMjJToiFREqVBJ eR+4TVkqTKq5NBuvlF57xCesMsjpMmmCX9gyIes3JYQ4uhhq/L6tExwSHQZ7abQsbd/uwD5S3jgOH GCy5rfnt2kPdnRrVsELdiqzXkXyRoLZRcUXKcjROdPPvpr/l83uUC1UFLsYmwG5VAs4o=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1n0LRi-0000ro-J3 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 23 Dec 2021 11:35:40 +0100 Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2021 11:35:33 +0100 Message-Id: <87a6gr622y.fsf@gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #51847 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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