Package: emacs;
Reported by: Scott Otterson <scotto <at> sharpleaf.org>
Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2021 01:29:01 UTC
Severity: minor
Found in version 27.2
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From: Scott Otterson <scotto <at> sharpleaf.org> To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org Subject: 27.2; Backtrace put in home dir, not current dir Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2021 15:36:39 -0800
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When emacs crashes, I get an error popup (attached) saying that if I click NO, emacs will abort and put emacs_backtrace.txt in "the current directory." Clicking NO, does produce emacs_backtrace.txt (attached), but it's actually put in my EMACSHOME dir (the one emacs understands as "~"), not the current dir. =========================================== In GNU Emacs 27.2 (build 1, x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2021-03-26 built on CIRROCUMULUS Repository revision: deef5efafb70f4b171265b896505b92b6eef24e6 Repository branch: HEAD Windowing system distributor 'Microsoft Corp.', version 10.0.22000 System Description: Microsoft Windows 10 Home (v10.0.2009.22000.318) Recent messages: Configuring package consult...done Quit [2 times] Configuring package org-roam... Clearing removed files...done Processing modified files...done Configuring package org-roam...done (0.113s) Loading package org-roam-ui... Configuring package org-roam-ui...done Loading package org-roam-ui...done user-error: There is no thing at point that could be visited Configured using: 'configure --without-dbus --host=x86_64-w64-mingw32 --without-compress-install 'CFLAGS=-O2 -static'' Configured features: XPM JPEG TIFF GIF PNG RSVG SOUND NOTIFY W32NOTIFY ACL GNUTLS LIBXML2 HARFBUZZ ZLIB TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS MODULES THREADS JSON PDUMPER LCMS2 GMP Important settings: value of $LANG: ENU locale-coding-system: cp1252 Major mode: Dired by name Minor modes in effect: org-roam-db-autosync-mode: t beacon-mode: t which-key-mode: t pyvenv-mode: t flycheck-pos-tip-mode: t global-auto-complete-mode: t async-bytecomp-package-mode: t dired-hide-details-mode: t minibuffer-depth-indicate-mode: t gud-tooltip-mode: t marginalia-mode: t vertico-mode: t savehist-mode: t corfu-global-mode: t corfu-mode: t prescient-persist-mode: t recentf-mode: t adaptive-wrap-prefix-mode: t show-paren-mode: t display-time-mode: t winner-mode: t 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From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> To: Scott Otterson <scotto <at> sharpleaf.org> Cc: 51758 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, 'Eli Zaretskii' <eliz <at> gnu.org> Subject: Re: bug#51758: 27.2; Backtrace put in home dir, not current dir Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2022 14:22:04 +0200
Scott Otterson <scotto <at> sharpleaf.org> writes: > When emacs crashes, I get an error popup (attached) saying that if I click NO, emacs > will abort and put emacs_backtrace.txt in "the current directory." > > Clicking NO, does produce emacs_backtrace.txt (attached), but it's actually put in my > EMACSHOME dir (the one emacs understands as "~"), not the current dir. I guess this is from w32fns.c: button = MessageBox (NULL, "A fatal error has occurred!\n\n" "Would you like to attach a debugger?\n\n" "Select:\n" "YES -- to debug Emacs, or\n" "NO -- to abort Emacs and produce a backtrace\n" " (emacs_backtrace.txt in current directory)." #if __GNUC__ "\n\n(type \"gdb -p <emacs-PID>\" and\n" "\"continue\" inside GDB before clicking YES.)" #endif , "Emacs Abort Dialog", Eli, should that text just be amended? (If it always puts the backtrace in EMACSHOME, that is -- I haven't actually cheked the code here.)
Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
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(Tue, 20 Sep 2022 12:47:02 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.Message #15 received at 51758 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):
From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> Cc: 51758 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, scotto <at> sharpleaf.org Subject: Re: bug#51758: 27.2; Backtrace put in home dir, not current dir Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2022 15:45:38 +0300
> From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> > Cc: 51758 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, "'Eli Zaretskii'" <eliz <at> gnu.org> > Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2022 14:22:04 +0200 > > Scott Otterson <scotto <at> sharpleaf.org> writes: > > > When emacs crashes, I get an error popup (attached) saying that if I click NO, emacs > > will abort and put emacs_backtrace.txt in "the current directory." > > > > Clicking NO, does produce emacs_backtrace.txt (attached), but it's actually put in my > > EMACSHOME dir (the one emacs understands as "~"), not the current dir. > > I guess this is from w32fns.c: > > button = MessageBox (NULL, > "A fatal error has occurred!\n\n" > "Would you like to attach a debugger?\n\n" > "Select:\n" > "YES -- to debug Emacs, or\n" > "NO -- to abort Emacs and produce a backtrace\n" > " (emacs_backtrace.txt in current directory)." > #if __GNUC__ > "\n\n(type \"gdb -p <emacs-PID>\" and\n" > "\"continue\" inside GDB before clicking YES.)" > #endif > , "Emacs Abort Dialog", > > Eli, should that text just be amended? (If it always puts the backtrace > in EMACSHOME, that is -- I haven't actually cheked the code here.) The text is correct. I'm guessing the OP starts Emacs from EMACSHOME directory.
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(Tue, 20 Sep 2022 13:06:01 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.Message #18 received at 51758 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):
From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> Cc: 51758 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, scotto <at> sharpleaf.org Subject: Re: bug#51758: 27.2; Backtrace put in home dir, not current dir Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2022 15:05:29 +0200
Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes: >> "Select:\n" >> "YES -- to debug Emacs, or\n" >> "NO -- to abort Emacs and produce a backtrace\n" >> " (emacs_backtrace.txt in current directory)." >> #if __GNUC__ >> "\n\n(type \"gdb -p <emacs-PID>\" and\n" >> "\"continue\" inside GDB before clicking YES.)" >> #endif >> , "Emacs Abort Dialog", >> >> Eli, should that text just be amended? (If it always puts the backtrace >> in EMACSHOME, that is -- I haven't actually cheked the code here.) > > The text is correct. I'm guessing the OP starts Emacs from EMACSHOME > directory. Or perhaps the user thinks that the "current directory" here is `current-directory'?
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(Tue, 20 Sep 2022 14:25:02 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.Message #21 received at 51758 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):
From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> To: Scott Otterson <scotto <at> sharpleaf.org> Cc: 51758 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, larsi <at> gnus.org Subject: Re: bug#51758: 27.2; Backtrace put in home dir, not current dir Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2022 17:24:39 +0300
> From: Scott Otterson <scotto <at> sharpleaf.org> > Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2022 07:13:36 -0700 > Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, 51758 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > That's right, I thought that the "current directory" was the `current-directory'. Like most people would, I'd > guess. What is your interpretation of current-directory in this case? Where do you think that is?
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From: Scott Otterson <scotto <at> sharpleaf.org> To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> Cc: 51758 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> Subject: Re: bug#51758: 27.2; Backtrace put in home dir, not current dir Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2022 07:13:36 -0700
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That's right, I thought that the "current directory" was the `current-directory'. Like most people would, I'd guess. On Tue, Sep 20, 2022 at 6:05 AM Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> wrote: > Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes: > > >> "Select:\n" > >> "YES -- to debug Emacs, or\n" > >> "NO -- to abort Emacs and produce a backtrace\n" > >> " (emacs_backtrace.txt in current directory)." > >> #if __GNUC__ > >> "\n\n(type \"gdb -p <emacs-PID>\" and\n" > >> "\"continue\" inside GDB before clicking YES.)" > >> #endif > >> , "Emacs Abort Dialog", > >> > >> Eli, should that text just be amended? (If it always puts the backtrace > >> in EMACSHOME, that is -- I haven't actually cheked the code here.) > > > > The text is correct. I'm guessing the OP starts Emacs from EMACSHOME > > directory. > > Or perhaps the user thinks that the "current directory" here is > `current-directory'? >
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(Tue, 20 Sep 2022 14:53:02 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.Message #27 received at 51758 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):
From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> Cc: 51758 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Scott Otterson <scotto <at> sharpleaf.org> Subject: Re: bug#51758: 27.2; Backtrace put in home dir, not current dir Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2022 16:52:26 +0200
Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes: >> That's right, I thought that the "current directory" was the >> `current-directory'. Like most people would, I'd >> guess. > > What is your interpretation of current-directory in this case? Where > do you think that is? "The value of `current-directory' where the user was when the crash happened" would be the natural interpretation. Why not just change the message to "the directory Emacs was started from"? That should be clear.
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(Tue, 20 Sep 2022 15:43:02 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.Message #30 received at 51758 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):
From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> To: Scott Otterson <scotto <at> sharpleaf.org> Cc: 51758 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> Subject: Re: bug#51758: 27.2; Backtrace put in home dir, not current dir Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2022 18:42:40 +0300
> From: Scott Otterson <scotto <at> sharpleaf.org> > Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2022 07:31:34 -0700 > > The default directory of the buffer that was active when emacs crashed. In my case, I had only one buffer > open, so this was obvious, but I can see how it wouldn't be necessarily. Yes, but which buffer? When Emacs crashes, there could be several buffers in the session, each one with its own default-directory. > So, Lars's recommended text change seems like a good one to me. Lars suggested to say EMACSHOME, which is simply incorrect. Would it be okay to say that the file gets written in the directory where Emacs was started? The only problem with that is that people may not know where that is... [Please use "Reply All" to replay, so that the bug tracker is CC'ed.]
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(Tue, 20 Sep 2022 15:46:02 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.Message #33 received at 51758 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):
From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> Cc: 51758 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Scott Otterson <scotto <at> sharpleaf.org> Subject: Re: bug#51758: 27.2; Backtrace put in home dir, not current dir Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2022 17:45:12 +0200
Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes: >> So, Lars's recommended text change seems like a good one to me. > > Lars suggested to say EMACSHOME, which is simply incorrect. No, I suggested: > Why not just change the message to "the directory Emacs was started > from"? That should be clear.
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(Tue, 20 Sep 2022 15:49:02 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.Message #36 received at 51758 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):
From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> Cc: 51758 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, scotto <at> sharpleaf.org Subject: Re: bug#51758: 27.2; Backtrace put in home dir, not current dir Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2022 18:48:24 +0300
> From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> > Cc: Scott Otterson <scotto <at> sharpleaf.org>, 51758 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2022 16:52:26 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes: > > >> That's right, I thought that the "current directory" was the > >> `current-directory'. Like most people would, I'd > >> guess. > > > > What is your interpretation of current-directory in this case? Where > > do you think that is? > > "The value of `current-directory' where the user was when the crash > happened" would be the natural interpretation. You mean default-directory, I presume? The problem, as I explained, is that there's a different one in every buffer, and there could be many of them. As far as users are concerned, Emacs doesn't have a well-defined notion of "current directory", so saying "where the user was" makes little sense with Emacs. > Why not just change the message to "the directory Emacs was started > from"? That should be clear. I'm okay with that, I just fear that many users won't know where that is. On MS-Windows, the starting directory can (and usually is) determined by the desktop shortcut used to start Emacs, and people rarely are aware where is that.
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(Tue, 20 Sep 2022 17:03:01 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.Message #39 received at 51758 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):
From: Scott Otterson <scotto <at> sharpleaf.org> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> Cc: 51758 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> Subject: Re: bug#51758: 27.2; Backtrace put in home dir, not current dir Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2022 10:02:00 -0700
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Maybe the solution is to put it in some totally unambiguous place: ~/.emacs.crashdump (or whatever) and then change the docs to match. On Tue, Sep 20, 2022 at 8:48 AM Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> wrote: > > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> > > Cc: Scott Otterson <scotto <at> sharpleaf.org>, 51758 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2022 16:52:26 +0200 > > > > Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes: > > > > >> That's right, I thought that the "current directory" was the > > >> `current-directory'. Like most people would, I'd > > >> guess. > > > > > > What is your interpretation of current-directory in this case? Where > > > do you think that is? > > > > "The value of `current-directory' where the user was when the crash > > happened" would be the natural interpretation. > > You mean default-directory, I presume? > > The problem, as I explained, is that there's a different one in every > buffer, and there could be many of them. As far as users are > concerned, Emacs doesn't have a well-defined notion of "current > directory", so saying "where the user was" makes little sense with > Emacs. > > > Why not just change the message to "the directory Emacs was started > > from"? That should be clear. > > I'm okay with that, I just fear that many users won't know where that > is. On MS-Windows, the starting directory can (and usually is) > determined by the desktop shortcut used to start Emacs, and people > rarely are aware where is that. >
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(Tue, 20 Sep 2022 17:29:01 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.Message #42 received at 51758 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):
From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> To: Scott Otterson <scotto <at> sharpleaf.org> Cc: 51758 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, larsi <at> gnus.org Subject: Re: bug#51758: 27.2; Backtrace put in home dir, not current dir Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2022 20:28:49 +0300
> From: Scott Otterson <scotto <at> sharpleaf.org> > Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2022 10:02:00 -0700 > Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>, 51758 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > Maybe the solution is to put it in some totally unambiguous place: > > ~/.emacs.crashdump (or whatever) > > and then change the docs to match. No, doing anything non-trivial when Emacs is crashing runs the risk of jeopardizing the backtrace production.
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(Tue, 20 Sep 2022 18:16:02 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.Message #45 received at 51758 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):
From: Scott Otterson <scotto <at> sharpleaf.org> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> Cc: 51758 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> Subject: Re: bug#51758: 27.2; Backtrace put in home dir, not current dir Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2022 11:14:38 -0700
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OK, a doc fix then, I suppose. On Tue, Sep 20, 2022 at 10:28 AM Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> wrote: > > From: Scott Otterson <scotto <at> sharpleaf.org> > > Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2022 10:02:00 -0700 > > Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>, 51758 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > > > Maybe the solution is to put it in some totally unambiguous place: > > > > ~/.emacs.crashdump (or whatever) > > > > and then change the docs to match. > > No, doing anything non-trivial when Emacs is crashing runs the risk of > jeopardizing the backtrace production. >
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