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#51696
Request: Adopt the unofficial GUIX community on Matrix
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Reported by: Jacob Hrbek <kreyren <at> rixotstudio.cz>
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2021 23:48:01 UTC
Severity: normal
Tags: notabug
Done: Maxim Cournoyer <maxim.cournoyer <at> gmail.com>
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Message #20 received at 51696 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):
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> What is the difference between a Matrix space and a Matrix channel? -- Maxim
In the analogy of files and directories: Matrix space is a directory for channels. (see attachment matrix-space.png)
In the image you can see matrix space called GNU Guix (unofficiality disclosed in the description) containing channel #guix #guile #guix-offtopic #guix-wiki which are bridged to libera.chat with Guix System.. channel on Matrix
> From my memory the reality is that most of the clients are not quite there yet... -- Maxim
That is not my experience I suggest you to try them again and be specific about the issues so that they can be investigated.
> To really be in full control, ideally we'd have a Shepherd service to administer it. Is this something you'd be motivated to work on? -- Maxim
I need matrix homeserver on Guix myself so it would align with my work when I figure out how to maintain a cluster of computers using public repository which CI/CD calls guix commands for push-based deployment which should be any day now.
> Moderation is something that I'm a bit worried about; at least speaking for myself I'd want to continue doing it from IRC and it'd need to sync to Matrix transparently, not the other way around. Is this possible? -- Maxim
I am not qualified to answer that as I don't do cross-protocol moderation, CC Matrix support
-- Jacob "Kreyren" Hrbek
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‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
On Friday, November 12th, 2021 at 3:25 AM, Maxim Cournoyer <maxim.cournoyer <at> gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Jacob,
>
> I think Mark had valid concerns about control.
>
> Jacob Hrbek kreyren <at> rixotstudio.cz writes:
>
> > My motivation for this proposal is to make GNU Guix more accessible
> >
> > and user-friendly so that I can get my team to use it painlessly to
> >
> > organize the work as I currently use NiXOS where nixlang is giving me
> >
> > anxiety and it's too limited to my liking.
> >
> > I prefer zero trust model so I am happy with transferring the matrix space to the chosen GNU representative.
> >
> > About the channel I sent a message to the owner and waiting for a reply.
>
> What is the difference between a Matrix space and a Matrix channel?
>
> > About matrix I am proposing to run our own homeserver that GNU Guix have full control over.
> >
> > I helped Ian Kelling with the implementation for FSF when they were moving off of Freenode so i assume that we can just fork the implementation or adapt it in GNU guile?
> >
> > Note: FSF decided to not move on matrix as one of it's clients is
> >
> > using Google's reCAPTCHA for registration
> >
> > (https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-doc/issues/3220) and is
> >
> > allegedly using electron.. FWIW i never understood the reasoning as
> >
> > the homeserver does not depend on the client and there are multiple
> >
> > alternatives (https://matrix.org/clients).
>
> From my memory the reality is that most of the clients are not quite
>
> there yet, so to get a good experience one must use the official web
>
> client (Element) or the Android one, both of which pose freedom
>
> challenges (is the JavaScript tagged to run in GNU LibreJS?). The
>
> desktop client is also web based, probably unpackagHopefully
>
> that changed in the last couple years. I remember trying the (abandoned
>
> then) Emacs-based client and also the Weechat client. I ended up not
>
> submitting the package to Guix, since it was too buggy (using 100% of
>
> CPU, very slow to refresh, and had other annoyances I forgot).
>
> > About bridges they are self-hosted (https://matrix.org/bridges) so GNU
> >
> > Guix would be in full control over them, but some
> >
> > e.g. https://t2bot.io provide it for free to the general public
> >
> > without a guaranteed uptime.
>
> To really be in full control, ideally we'd have a Shepherd service to
>
> administer it. Is this something you'd be motivated to work on?
>
> > I believe it also answers the question about moderating? There are
> >
> > also moderation bots (https://matrix.org/bots/) such as mjolnil
> >
> > https://github.com/matrix-org/mjolnir that afaik can be configured
> >
> > that if user is banned on matrix that it will issue the ban across all
> >
> > bridges and if needed the space.
>
> Moderation is something that I'm a bit worried about; at least speaking
>
> for myself I'd want to continue doing it from IRC and it'd need to sync
>
> to Matrix transparently, not the other way around. Is this possible?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Maxim
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