From unknown Sun Jun 22 04:34:59 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#51696: Request: Adopt the unofficial GUIX community on Matrix Resent-From: Jacob Hrbek Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-guix@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2021 23:48:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 51696 X-GNU-PR-Package: guix X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 51696@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: "bug-guix@gnu.org" Reply-To: Jacob Hrbek Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.163641525615643 (code B ref -1); Mon, 08 Nov 2021 23:48:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Nov 2021 23:47:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59880 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mkEMS-00044C-7C for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 08 Nov 2021 18:47:36 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:33020) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mkEMO-00043m-RB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 08 Nov 2021 18:47:34 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:42816) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mkEMO-0003wG-Jf for bug-guix@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Nov 2021 18:47:32 -0500 Received: from mail-40136.proton.ch ([185.70.40.136]:37173) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mkEML-0006hb-QP for bug-guix@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Nov 2021 18:47:32 -0500 Date: Mon, 08 Nov 2021 23:47:20 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rixotstudio.cz; s=protonmail2; t=1636415241; bh=YM7A+kV1vF7lfIVGEVYqgt8v8RU8SlkX5NgNvSWGFZs=; h=Date:To:From:Reply-To:Subject:From; b=cIvCMCg2GntljALcfOqR8/clbjrV2cY1AchubIKlFkpmZp60B7GjuARC9xuWfnLpr Nru8Ae61Me9lmo0IdfIh60GkAIWvLUhvZLdEiCHMmNRurNVtwDwTrU3IuY3rLSy3xm zIqqIEyFCnjgjaosErrsSoh6HHIZpnmruuPIhGmDKbHbCHWSzdm7p6jx6ukOPsddyg w1GpXcd2Bl9pEdWWQoQG4bGq5IR91U6R3sjfm84bbjBTMbMvUXWUNf68fRMfOz0I8k ox4DYR7FRurtMluSf4DULdq3hmJDcQC7MoRPcT1eUi+sohCCezSxBB5L2cIZK1XQmr 8xzJ8rvSvMViw== From: Jacob Hrbek Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512; boundary="------58221597fff527e577ea066af927dae4f22b30502c83ca4f0fca5813110b47aa"; charset=utf-8 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=10.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,HTML_MESSAGE shortcircuit=no autolearn=disabled version=3.4.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on mailout.protonmail.ch Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.70.40.136; envelope-from=kreyren@rixotstudio.cz; helo=mail-40136.proton.ch X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --------58221597fff527e577ea066af927dae4f22b30502c83ca4f0fca5813110b47aa Content-Type: multipart/mixed;boundary=---------------------a27ff1282073ea478fa55e154f5324fd -----------------------a27ff1282073ea478fa55e154f5324fd Content-Type: multipart/alternative;boundary=---------------------52c802b88389fb6ef243909ec0463d8e -----------------------52c802b88389fb6ef243909ec0463d8e Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 There is an unofficial GNU Guix community on matrix (#guix:matrix.org) wit= h 375 members and an unofficial matrix space that i've created (https://ma= trix.to/#/#gnu-guix:tchncs.de) which consist of IRC<->Matrix bridged chann= els. 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9 Nov 2021 05:03:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60314 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mkJHt-0004Gt-48 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Nov 2021 00:03:13 -0500 Received: from world.peace.net ([64.112.178.59]:39480) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mkJHp-0004Ge-Ts for 51696@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Nov 2021 00:03:11 -0500 Received: from mhw by world.peace.net with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mkJHi-0004vm-Vi; Tue, 09 Nov 2021 00:03:03 -0500 From: Mark H Weaver In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2021 00:02:23 -0500 Message-ID: <87fss5udj9.fsf@netris.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hi Jacob, Jacob Hrbek writes: > There is an unofficial GNU Guix community on matrix (#guix:matrix.org) > with 375 members and an unofficial matrix space that i've created > (https://matrix.to/#/#gnu-guix:tchncs.de) which consist of > IRC<->Matrix bridged channels. > > Proposing for GNU Guix to adopt this community, it's moderators and my > space to configure IRC<->Matrix bridge (less then 4000 CPU cycles per > day last time i checked) to connect those two communities and users > who prefer either of those protocols to increase the reach of GNU Guix > to new users. I appreciate this initiative, and from my preliminary investigations it seems to me that Matrix would be a good protocol to support. I would be glad if GNU Guix gained an official Matrix channel. I have one concern: I'm concerned about control. You propose that GNU Guix should adopt "this community, it's moderators and my space". Who are these moderators? Who controls the "space"? Who gets to decide who is given moderation privileges over the "space"? If, in the future, you disagreed with the GNU Guix project leadership over how the "space" was being managed, who would have the technical and/or legal ability to override the others' wishes? In short, would we need to trust you? I hope that you will not read these concerns as suggesting that you have ill intent. On the contrary, although I don't know you, I think it's highly likely that your intent is benign, and I appreciate your efforts to improve our communications infrastructure. I would have these concerns regardless of who held the keys, even if it were a long-time Guix project participant who I had come to deeply respect and trust. What do you think? Regards, Mark -- Disinformation flourishes because many people care deeply about injustice but very few check the facts. Ask me about . From unknown Sun Jun 22 04:34:59 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#51696: Request: Adopt the unofficial GUIX community on Matrix Resent-From: zimoun Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-guix@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2021 08:13:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 51696 X-GNU-PR-Package: guix X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Mark H Weaver , Jacob Hrbek , 51696@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 51696-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B51696.163644553813143 (code B ref 51696); Tue, 09 Nov 2021 08:13:02 +0000 Received: (at 51696) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Nov 2021 08:12:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60717 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mkMEs-0003Pv-Iz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Nov 2021 03:12:18 -0500 Received: from mail-wm1-f46.google.com ([209.85.128.46]:45890) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mkMEq-0003Pe-L6 for 51696@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Nov 2021 03:12:17 -0500 Received: by mail-wm1-f46.google.com with SMTP id g191-20020a1c9dc8000000b0032fbf912885so1603383wme.4 for <51696@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 09 Nov 2021 00:12:16 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=from:to:subject:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:mime-version :content-transfer-encoding; bh=F8KmNAstJ+geBD575X9OmIu4CRF6LjWmpxbPmaamaLk=; b=PB9tO6Pj5Ui5xZ3tK7xdvZQvSmYt3Scid29DQWUsh7MabMP5PLSJC+8F9pgmfvOnwf ai+u5JGv++DYhjK0dOi3EfqOEHgU3SvoGeZgcTr0VCEVCNH+8O5C93RDbm2z5oGYx7P2 wNLBVLNnjReNAVJenXRAYf70+/yPxmDOREDtnEHL/o3nMQP8fJ8w8vO6wX32N+ls/QNE PUCeGFgPXK80dnKYTUtDhO3GntdZwK5XZf/XtztftK9vtrcrRpajpIu664/hC/o1C3v5 yOq3DyQt8BTB310A+njFOY2kYezBfj4sZo3HFP/zXtL1ay13I9Z2gMh0HRRYVENue1C0 aQaQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=F8KmNAstJ+geBD575X9OmIu4CRF6LjWmpxbPmaamaLk=; b=OTV4U+4BD6r+U7rby4CFqX0R2fB5fDhYzFeiCJbOgCcyCwaAdLHXuv7zdtUvUbFVO8 YIIiOH9k63DIXDhwR2VHcuj3o7RYIMpvbfHXd7RnEp7tAKWIWi5wXBvo0WW+qn8Z/O/L IoW+2bv7txoQV0eolFhJVVzsHqSK6+sERgJ3XmQhIC6md5TmefHrIrSuO7rRDZxJviXQ hxL5nuUEg6IYIXelrqGNQh3bB/dUfv2UhY97V289tuit+EPn5/CFJ3FYKEALI/i3lObp dYdRq6+xloMGelnX3W2kLwB6yU+UOewuwSa/KSuWF7C3/LMjr41cWBtyEG4NN8CLY75R vMRg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533IFqgieoeaBhO4aG5hNLaykPZV0BF1M/7bnlzd3sf9z+1hnU+I 0f32fcx5ANmr3IRQQSkGhp7Cb0JcBa0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxnPDgPJsvlv3tKncFTFDijnK5lUzrgyQM0cqwhuYKbxRDA7wsjFQ14KwIh1BJiN/qBys8xAA== X-Received: by 2002:a1c:2b85:: with SMTP id r127mr5069261wmr.134.1636445530642; Tue, 09 Nov 2021 00:12:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from lili ([2a01:e0a:59b:9120:65d2:2476:f637:db1e]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id l18sm19976894wrt.81.2021.11.09.00.12.09 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 09 Nov 2021 00:12:10 -0800 (PST) From: zimoun In-Reply-To: <87fss5udj9.fsf@netris.org> References: <87fss5udj9.fsf@netris.org> Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2021 09:07:51 +0100 Message-ID: <864k8lda5k.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hi Jacob, On Tue, 09 Nov 2021 at 00:02, Mark H Weaver wrote: > Jacob Hrbek writes: > >> There is an unofficial GNU Guix community on matrix (#guix:matrix.org) >> with 375 members and an unofficial matrix space that i've created >> (https://matrix.to/#/#gnu-guix:tchncs.de) which consist of >> IRC<->Matrix bridged channels. >> >> Proposing for GNU Guix to adopt this community, it's moderators and my >> space to configure IRC<->Matrix bridge (less then 4000 CPU cycles per >> day last time i checked) to connect those two communities and users >> who prefer either of those protocols to increase the reach of GNU Guix >> to new users. [...] > You propose that GNU Guix should adopt "this community, it's moderators > and my space". Who are these moderators? Who controls the "space"? > Who gets to decide who is given moderation privileges over the "space"? In addition to these concerns about moderating the =E2=80=9Cchannel=E2=80= =9D of communication, from a practical point of view, there is another concern about the server or bridge. Who manages it? For instance, the maintenance cost of the IRC infrastructure is delegated to =E2=80=9Ctrusted= =E2=80=9D people behind https://libera.chat/. What about the example you provided https://matrix.to/#/#gnu-guix:tchncs.de? In other words, the concern is two levels. As example, the current IRC channel #guix on https://libera.chat is =E2=80=9Cofficial=E2=80=9D because: 1. the channel itself is moderated by trusted Guixers (even maintainers, I guess); 2. the infrastructure which runs IRC is moderated by =E2=80=9Ctrusted=E2=80= =9D people; for instance, the recent switch from Freenode to Libera points the cost. Mark is asking about #1. Then what about this #2? Although, the Matrix protocol allows federation, at one moment, server or bridge need to effectively run. Last, I do not have an opinion about communication technology. And I receive all the initiatives for attracting people as a gift. However, being =E2=80=9Cofficial=E2=80=9D implies costs and these costs should be ca= refully discussed before jumping, IMHO. Cheers, simon From unknown Sun Jun 22 04:34:59 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#51696: Request: Adopt the unofficial GUIX community on Matrix Resent-From: Jacob Hrbek Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-guix@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2021 22:11:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 51696 X-GNU-PR-Package: guix X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Mark H Weaver Cc: 51696@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Jacob Hrbek Received: via spool by 51696-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B51696.163649585023020 (code B ref 51696); Tue, 09 Nov 2021 22:11:02 +0000 Received: (at 51696) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Nov 2021 22:10:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36117 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mkZKI-0005z9-0g for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Nov 2021 17:10:50 -0500 Received: from mail-4022.proton.ch ([185.70.40.22]:33824) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mkZKF-0005yv-8q for 51696@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Nov 2021 17:10:44 -0500 Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2021 22:10:32 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rixotstudio.cz; s=protonmail2; t=1636495836; bh=fGNXB6HfDl1OC7uOVzzTIM665eFt7G9csZ0O/cVgNuY=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Reply-To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=1yDgZAIY3jpDfeOAgVBT1EPxVKA75sXYs2pC9czSOgmbpqLloohaGJG2CAJLW4iUl IQylTqf2EzbRmQ9yWdO6q76mJJmYXd/r50uYFsqYIGCh7OBq5rMawEngHOxRfpSs4M BQ8pk7z6VLDy7WdWQzTcTaW4bJRJ1oIlhlXg2DPpD6KSYmz0oKgpXo1yhxDocd2jRo /jKYFRHvv9PGevDSiWlIFdeCP6a84+/heGwuhyAGx3AsyWCEOyNs8xleoWiR0kHU+l 001UQvgBRNSuvaGy9cspNtaeqw6jZvR7HK9YKmPj+YYI8MZ3OIn08lbsjztg81P5Mg ucwNXME6tg3tg== From: Jacob Hrbek Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <87fss5udj9.fsf@netris.org> References: <87fss5udj9.fsf@netris.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512; boundary="------af3a157144bd5396a70446c42f5a5c42549e6041449f663e75d0a11ee92574cb"; charset=utf-8 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=10.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF shortcircuit=no autolearn=disabled version=3.4.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on mailout.protonmail.ch X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --------af3a157144bd5396a70446c42f5a5c42549e6041449f663e75d0a11ee92574cb Content-Type: multipart/mixed;boundary=---------------------6ddb252c70882bbe2916c1ab1833dfe7 -----------------------6ddb252c70882bbe2916c1ab1833dfe7 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 My motivation for this proposal is to make GNU Guix more accessible and us= er-friendly so that I can get my team to use it painlessly to organize the= work as I currently use NiXOS where nixlang is giving me anxiety and it's= too limited to my liking. I prefer zero trust model so I am happy with transferring the matrix space= to the chosen GNU representative. About the channel I sent a message to the owner and waiting for a reply. About matrix I am proposing to run our own homeserver that GNU Guix have f= ull control over. I helped Ian Kelling with the implementation for FSF when they were moving= off of Freenode so i assume that we can just fork the implementation or a= dapt it in GNU guile? Note: FSF decided to not move on matrix as one of it's clients is using Go= ogle's reCAPTCHA for registration (https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-do= c/issues/3220) and is allegedly using electron.. FWIW i never understood t= he reasoning as the homeserver does not depend on the client and there are= multiple alternatives (https://matrix.org/clients). About bridges they are self-hosted (https://matrix.org/bridges) so GNU Gui= x would be in full control over them, but some e.g. https://t2bot.io provi= de it for free to the general public without a guaranteed uptime. I believe it also answers the question about moderating? There are also mo= deration bots (https://matrix.org/bots/) such as mjolnil that afaik can be configured that if user is banned= on matrix that it will issue the ban across all bridges and if needed the= space. FWIW on Matrix we don't have to trust the "trusted" people who run it if G= NU Guix has their own homeserver. -- Jacob "Kreyren" Hrbek Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. =E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90 Original M= essage =E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90 On Tuesday, November 9th, 2021 at 5:02 AM, Mark H Weaver = wrote: > Hi Jacob, > = > Jacob Hrbek kreyren@rixotstudio.cz writes: > = > > There is an unofficial GNU Guix community on matrix (#guix:matrix.org) > > = > > with 375 members and an unofficial matrix space that i've created > > = > > (https://matrix.to/#/#gnu-guix:tchncs.de) which consist of > > = > > IRC<->Matrix bridged channels. > > = > > Proposing for GNU Guix to adopt this community, it's moderators and my > > = > > space to configure IRC<->Matrix bridge (less then 4000 CPU cycles per > > = > > day last time i checked) to connect those two communities and users > > = > > who prefer either of those protocols to increase the reach of GNU Guix > > = > > to new users. > = > I appreciate this initiative, and from my preliminary investigations it > = > seems to me that Matrix would be a good protocol to support. I would be > = > glad if GNU Guix gained an official Matrix channel. > = > I have one concern: I'm concerned about control. > = > You propose that GNU Guix should adopt "this community, it's moderators > = > and my space". Who are these moderators? Who controls the "space"? > = > Who gets to decide who is given moderation privileges over the "space"? > = > If, in the future, you disagreed with the GNU Guix project leadership > = > over how the "space" was being managed, who would have the technical > = > and/or legal ability to override the others' wishes? > = > In short, would we need to trust you? > = > I hope that you will not read these concerns as suggesting that you have > = > ill intent. On the contrary, although I don't know you, I think it's > = > highly likely that your intent is benign, and I appreciate your efforts > = > to improve our communications infrastructure. > = > I would have these concerns regardless of who held the keys, even if it > = > were a long-time Guix project participant who I had come to deeply > = > respect and trust. > = > What do you think? > = > Regards, > = > Mark > = > ------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------------------------------------- > = > Disinformation flourishes because many people care deeply about injustic= e > = > but very few check the facts. 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[72.10.133.155]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n13sm2669668qtx.68.2021.11.11.19.25.25 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 11 Nov 2021 19:25:25 -0800 (PST) From: Maxim Cournoyer References: <87fss5udj9.fsf@netris.org> Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2021 22:25:24 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Jacob Hrbek's message of "Tue, 09 Nov 2021 22:10:32 +0000") Message-ID: <87o86qqcm3.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hi Jacob, I think Mark had valid concerns about control. Jacob Hrbek writes: > My motivation for this proposal is to make GNU Guix more accessible > and user-friendly so that I can get my team to use it painlessly to > organize the work as I currently use NiXOS where nixlang is giving me > anxiety and it's too limited to my liking. > > I prefer zero trust model so I am happy with transferring the matrix space to the chosen GNU representative. > About the channel I sent a message to the owner and waiting for a reply. What is the difference between a Matrix space and a Matrix channel? > About matrix I am proposing to run our own homeserver that GNU Guix have full control over. > I helped Ian Kelling with the implementation for FSF when they were moving off of Freenode so i assume that we can just fork the implementation or adapt it in GNU guile? > > Note: FSF decided to not move on matrix as one of it's clients is > using Google's reCAPTCHA for registration > (https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-doc/issues/3220) and is > allegedly using electron.. FWIW i never understood the reasoning as > the homeserver does not depend on the client and there are multiple > alternatives (https://matrix.org/clients). >From my memory the reality is that most of the clients are not quite there yet, so to get a good experience one must use the official web client (Element) or the Android one, both of which pose freedom challenges (is the JavaScript tagged to run in GNU LibreJS?). The desktop client is also web based, probably unpackagHopefully that changed in the last couple years. I remember trying the (abandoned then) Emacs-based client and also the Weechat client. I ended up not submitting the package to Guix, since it was too buggy (using 100% of CPU, very slow to refresh, and had other annoyances I forgot). > About bridges they are self-hosted (https://matrix.org/bridges) so GNU > Guix would be in full control over them, but some > e.g. https://t2bot.io provide it for free to the general public > without a guaranteed uptime. To really be in full control, ideally we'd have a Shepherd service to administer it. Is this something you'd be motivated to work on? > I believe it also answers the question about moderating? There are > also moderation bots (https://matrix.org/bots/) such as mjolnil > that afaik can be configured > that if user is banned on matrix that it will issue the ban across all > bridges and if needed the space. Moderation is something that I'm a bit worried about; at least speaking for myself I'd want to continue doing it from IRC and it'd need to sync to Matrix transparently, not the other way around. Is this possible? Thanks, Maxim From unknown Sun Jun 22 04:34:59 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#51696: Request: Adopt the unofficial GUIX community on Matrix Resent-From: Jacob Hrbek Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-guix@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 04:26:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 51696 X-GNU-PR-Package: guix X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Maxim Cournoyer Cc: Mark H Weaver , "support@matrix.org" , 51696@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Jacob Hrbek Received: via spool by 51696-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B51696.163669111528139 (code B ref 51696); Fri, 12 Nov 2021 04:26:01 +0000 Received: (at 51696) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Nov 2021 04:25:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42861 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mlO7m-0007Jn-Qt for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2021 23:25:15 -0500 Received: from mail-4018.proton.ch ([185.70.40.18]:33230) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mlO7k-0007JM-D4 for 51696@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2021 23:25:14 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 04:25:03 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rixotstudio.cz; s=protonmail2; t=1636691104; bh=5VX6zAkySXE9FyeE7xBfZ6x1oUYL9Vj9hQ3LL8qf76E=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Reply-To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=10s0uNUAO9ED533R6yaaQbuGPGzO0Px6gTF4KKgVwLHbMT6tVJBXasLo3JN72TzvS 6CBc3QM+4KPTFZpxSumKJEw3AhdwQS3ybBRRC2DVEWt4PdU15NY1LJDOqm+tv1McRk QuGhFmOjZ8BLMDBHHDUuEMrkZfG3xMc8geYpVv7qLIwikl30OOlmnsj88SbIx0LHZn 5S9CyvmM53vuENdjS13gzjDMGg2VgZ78PKVdDyJ/ybqGulOQrtgq7fyFlwqfM9Y9uw unL597oIdGHpL2BS86UXdsgVTTOPe2aQWi6QQOLjfY//G/NGq+uSs/GpJis4S0ib/G zPuz4ZST5SITQ== From: Jacob Hrbek Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <87o86qqcm3.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87fss5udj9.fsf@netris.org> <87o86qqcm3.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512; boundary="------b24ae89d3e9b533341e041ab16d39ad40935ad87ab51c7a23fb979b1523a7ac2"; charset=utf-8 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=10.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF shortcircuit=no autolearn=disabled version=3.4.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on mailout.protonmail.ch X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --------b24ae89d3e9b533341e041ab16d39ad40935ad87ab51c7a23fb979b1523a7ac2 Content-Type: multipart/mixed;boundary=---------------------68c607c5c2c8c5c6cb526c30ce900102 -----------------------68c607c5c2c8c5c6cb526c30ce900102 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 > What is the difference between a Matrix space and a Matrix channel? -- M= axim In the analogy of files and directories: Matrix space is a directory for c= hannels. (see attachment matrix-space.png) In the image you can see matrix space called GNU Guix (unofficiality discl= osed in the description) containing channel #guix #guile #guix-offtopic #g= uix-wiki which are bridged to libera.chat with Guix System.. channel on Ma= trix > From my memory the reality is that most of the clients are not quite the= re yet... -- Maxim That is not my experience I suggest you to try them again and be specific = about the issues so that they can be investigated. > To really be in full control, ideally we'd have a Shepherd service to ad= minister it. Is this something you'd be motivated to work on? -- Maxim I need matrix homeserver on Guix myself so it would align with my work whe= n I figure out how to maintain a cluster of computers using public reposit= ory which CI/CD calls guix commands for push-based deployment which should= be any day now. > Moderation is something that I'm a bit worried about; at least speaking = for myself I'd want to continue doing it from IRC and it'd need to sync to= Matrix transparently, not the other way around. Is this possible? -- Max= im I am not qualified to answer that as I don't do cross-protocol moderation,= CC Matrix support -- Jacob "Kreyren" Hrbek Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. =E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90 Original M= essage =E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90 On Friday, November 12th, 2021 at 3:25 AM, Maxim Cournoyer wrote: > Hi Jacob, > = > I think Mark had valid concerns about control. > = > Jacob Hrbek kreyren@rixotstudio.cz writes: > = > > My motivation for this proposal is to make GNU Guix more accessible > > = > > and user-friendly so that I can get my team to use it painlessly to > > = > > organize the work as I currently use NiXOS where nixlang is giving me > > = > > anxiety and it's too limited to my liking. > > = > > I prefer zero trust model so I am happy with transferring the matrix s= pace to the chosen GNU representative. > > = > > About the channel I sent a message to the owner and waiting for a repl= y. > = > What is the difference between a Matrix space and a Matrix channel? > = > > About matrix I am proposing to run our own homeserver that GNU Guix ha= ve full control over. > > = > > I helped Ian Kelling with the implementation for FSF when they were mo= ving off of Freenode so i assume that we can just fork the implementation = or adapt it in GNU guile? > > = > > Note: FSF decided to not move on matrix as one of it's clients is > > = > > using Google's reCAPTCHA for registration > > = > > (https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-doc/issues/3220) and is > > = > > allegedly using electron.. FWIW i never understood the reasoning as > > = > > the homeserver does not depend on the client and there are multiple > > = > > alternatives (https://matrix.org/clients). > = > From my memory the reality is that most of the clients are not quite > = > there yet, so to get a good experience one must use the official web > = > client (Element) or the Android one, both of which pose freedom > = > challenges (is the JavaScript tagged to run in GNU LibreJS?). The > = > desktop client is also web based, probably unpackagHopefully > = > that changed in the last couple years. I remember trying the (abandoned > = > then) Emacs-based client and also the Weechat client. I ended up not > = > submitting the package to Guix, since it was too buggy (using 100% of > = > CPU, very slow to refresh, and had other annoyances I forgot). > = > > About bridges they are self-hosted (https://matrix.org/bridges) so GNU > > = > > Guix would be in full control over them, but some > > = > > e.g. https://t2bot.io provide it for free to the general public > > = > > without a guaranteed uptime. > = > To really be in full control, ideally we'd have a Shepherd service to > = > administer it. Is this something you'd be motivated to work on? > = > > I believe it also answers the question about moderating? There are > > = > > also moderation bots (https://matrix.org/bots/) such as mjolnil > > = > > https://github.com/matrix-org/mjolnir that afaik can be configured > > = > > that if user is banned on matrix that it will issue the ban across all > > = > > bridges and if needed the space. > = > Moderation is something that I'm a bit worried about; at least speaking > = > for myself I'd want to continue doing it from IRC and it'd need to sync > = > to Matrix transparently, not the other way around. 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[72.10.133.155]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id br17sm2340271qkb.10.2021.11.11.21.40.36 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 11 Nov 2021 21:40:37 -0800 (PST) From: Maxim Cournoyer References: <87fss5udj9.fsf@netris.org> <87o86qqcm3.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 00:40:35 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Jacob Hrbek's message of "Fri, 12 Nov 2021 04:25:03 +0000") Message-ID: <87fss2q6cs.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) -CC support@matrix.org (since my reply here doesn't need to involve them) Hi, Jacob Hrbek writes: >> What is the difference between a Matrix space and a Matrix channel? -- Maxim > > In the analogy of files and directories: Matrix space is a directory for channels. (see attachment matrix-space.png) > > In the image you can see matrix space called GNU Guix (unofficiality > disclosed in the description) containing channel #guix #guile > #guix-offtopic #guix-wiki which are bridged to libera.chat with Guix > System.. channel on Matrix > >> From my memory the reality is that most of the clients are not quite there yet... -- Maxim > > That is not my experience I suggest you to try them again and be specific about the issues so that they can be investigated. I'm curious; have you tried any Matrix client that do not require a browser or need a large amount of system resources to operate? >> To really be in full control, ideally we'd have a Shepherd service to administer it. Is this something you'd be motivated to work on? -- Maxim > > I need matrix homeserver on Guix myself so it would align with my work > when I figure out how to maintain a cluster of computers using public > repository which CI/CD calls guix commands for push-based deployment > which should be any day now. Nice! >> Moderation is something that I'm a bit worried about; at least >> speaking for myself I'd want to continue doing it from IRC and it'd >> need to sync to Matrix transparently, not the other way around. Is >> this possible? -- Maxim > > I am not qualified to answer that as I don't do cross-protocol moderation, CC Matrix support OK, let's see. Thanks, Maxim From unknown Sun Jun 22 04:34:59 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#51696: Request: Adopt the unofficial GUIX community on Matrix References: Resent-From: "bdju" Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-guix@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 06:06:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 51696 X-GNU-PR-Package: guix X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "Maxim Cournoyer" , "Jacob Hrbek" Cc: 51696@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 51696-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B51696.16366971066423 (code B ref 51696); Fri, 12 Nov 2021 06:06:01 +0000 Received: (at 51696) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Nov 2021 06:05:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43062 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mlPgP-0001fX-Rd for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Nov 2021 01:05:05 -0500 Received: from tilde.team ([198.50.210.248]:51358 ident=postfix) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mlPgP-0001fO-2j for 51696@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Nov 2021 01:05:05 -0500 Received: from localhost (unknown [63.228.59.248]) by tilde.team (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 05B2B4C7FD3; Fri, 12 Nov 2021 06:05:03 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=tilde.team; s=mail; t=1636697104; bh=qCbJIMQb4B8QRBCOo2g7u3a6VzhvVmCUgY81MT69/yo=; h=To:Cc:Subject:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=x/yJ609TdEbkTmMAHnIa5WA393hWuz9Dk8YYKA1CmTmSt0G2/3R6Xpgydw+nbS5SQ ezAO8CAxULfThi+fTcZ7DiRIDzV3PROlajVZ/40duIn3kmlAgyzWe4PIhgAQVy3e1t pBp50kKFKLxjgnGL43zzTawA2d4+Y5TcmvlqVp48= Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 From: "bdju" Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 00:03:17 -0600 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <87fss2q6cs.fsf@gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Thu Nov 11, 2021 at 11:40 PM CST, Maxim Cournoyer wrote: > I'm curious; have you tried any Matrix client that do not require a > browser or need a large amount of system resources to operate? I'd like to chime in to say nheko is a pretty good matrix client. Does not use electron. Seems fairly light on resources from what I've seen. From unknown Sun Jun 22 04:34:59 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#51696: Request: Adopt the unofficial GUIX community on Matrix Resent-From: Jacob Hrbek Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-guix@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 07:26:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 51696 X-GNU-PR-Package: guix X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: maxim.cournoyer@gmail.com Cc: mhw@netris.org, 51696@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Jacob Hrbek Received: via spool by 51696-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B51696.16367019479183 (code B ref 51696); Fri, 12 Nov 2021 07:26:02 +0000 Received: (at 51696) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Nov 2021 07:25:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43306 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mlQwV-0002O2-AV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Nov 2021 02:25:47 -0500 Received: from mail-40136.proton.ch ([185.70.40.136]:48226) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mlQwR-0002Nd-93 for 51696@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Nov 2021 02:25:46 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 07:25:29 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rixotstudio.cz; s=protonmail2; t=1636701935; bh=rsfiGL9MHfsVUgWn8zW7XhjR2n5XvZxHdNa1MTeDhAg=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Reply-To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=p2nOeou5LE8H/Okl8G+2dOilgVTvvvbrdPKEt+5xw6Jl8xVFimCJZLGbuyJAEgJ91 X8kfC44151wrePz0pj6mBq7pJ+8uu95u8PYfrpEopOtl+bGMem3PXB1nFGMOOeaoz1 g1NXQfjhlJ2uRXuxI+OB1aS5QhsoGDNO1Eo9ZCt84Wv6FEQR6KOnWIs41yvQDBLSc9 2g6u4Doe0tdmE9gS6oIURbWD3yPGo5Ek2YZrSY17jpG1Um/DJN0f0cPDutus+YFkMU rgJfeHnvZdhJUREes7rSRDjGQKUD/D2Aef+ZrRw/8Ahk7brnirdJNrGj5DqAtiG02h RnAtrHVopb6Og== From: Jacob Hrbek Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <87fss2q6cs.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87fss5udj9.fsf@netris.org> <87o86qqcm3.fsf@gmail.com> <87fss2q6cs.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256; boundary="------c975538d83bb9716cd11f8876c5b501c491630d79ac76b88eccbf1618fd97030"; charset=utf-8 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=10.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,HTML_MESSAGE shortcircuit=no autolearn=disabled version=3.4.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on mailout.protonmail.ch X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --------c975538d83bb9716cd11f8876c5b501c491630d79ac76b88eccbf1618fd97030 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---------------------182ccc4e26d9b6fec91c8611cccac1d5" -----------------------182ccc4e26d9b6fec91c8611cccac1d5 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="---------------------ab8803fce976b273ebe0b534983da7e8" -----------------------ab8803fce976b273ebe0b534983da7e8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > I'm curious; have you tried any Matrix client that do not require a brows= er or need a large amount of system resources to operate? --Maxim I was doing quick testing of other clients +- 7 months ago and decided to u= se element. I didn't do any additional testing after that. Is there any rea= son why should I check them? I am not aware of any matrix's client that requires a large amount of proce= ssing resources to operate (excluding miitrix for Nintendo DS allegedly whi= ch is allegedly due to the used Infrastructure on the device).. would be a = major problem for me if it did as my devices are optimized for battery life= and tent to overheat on such use. I assume that you want to make the argument that it requires more processin= g resources than IRC? That is true by design as Matrix is doing E2EE which I found to be more res= ource efficient and usable in comparison to Hexchat with fishlim. Sent from ProtonMail mobile \-------- Original Message -------- On Nov 12, 2021, 06:40, Maxim Cournoyer < maxim.cournoyer@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > \-CC support@matrix.org (since my reply here doesn't need to involve them= ) > > Hi, > > Jacob Hrbek writes: > > >> What is the difference between a Matrix space and a Matrix channel? --= Maxim > > > > In the analogy of files and directories: Matrix space is a directory fo= r channels. (see attachment matrix-space.png) > > > > In the image you can see matrix space called GNU Guix (unofficiality > > disclosed in the description) containing channel \#guix \#guile > > \#guix-offtopic \#guix-wiki which are bridged to [libera.chat][] with G= uix > > System.. channel on Matrix > > > >> From my memory the reality is that most of the clients are not quite t= here yet... -- Maxim > > > > That is not my experience I suggest you to try them again and be specif= ic about the issues so that they can be investigated. > > I'm curious; have you tried any Matrix client that do not require a > browser or need a large amount of system resources to operate? > > >> To really be in full control, ideally we'd have a Shepherd service to = administer it. Is this something you'd be motivated to work on? -- Maxim > > > > I need matrix homeserver on Guix myself so it would align with my work > > when I figure out how to maintain a cluster of computers using public > > repository which CI/CD calls guix commands for push-based deployment > > which should be any day now. > > Nice! > > >> Moderation is something that I'm a bit worried about; at least > >> speaking for myself I'd want to continue doing it from IRC and it'd > >> need to sync to Matrix transparently, not the other way around. 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[72.10.149.119]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t18sm1449437qtw.64.2021.11.12.06.52.03 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 12 Nov 2021 06:52:03 -0800 (PST) From: Maxim Cournoyer References: <87fss5udj9.fsf@netris.org> <87o86qqcm3.fsf@gmail.com> <87fss2q6cs.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 09:52:02 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Jacob Hrbek's message of "Fri, 12 Nov 2021 07:25:29 +0000") Message-ID: <87tugho299.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hi Jacob, Jacob Hrbek writes: >> I'm curious; have you tried any Matrix client that do not require a browser or need a large amount of system resources > to operate? --Maxim > > I was doing quick testing of other clients +- 7 months ago and decided to use element. I didn't do any additional testing > after that. Is there any reason why should I check them? I was curious because you said in your experience the clients other than Element worked well (which is not my experience). > I am not aware of any matrix's client that requires a large amount of processing resources to operate (excluding miitrix > for Nintendo DS allegedly which is allegedly due to the used Infrastructure on the device).. would be a major problem for > me if it did as my devices are optimized for battery life and tent to overheat on such use. When I used tried using it a couple years back it was consuming easily 1 GiB of memory in the browser, sometimes 2. That's what I meant by "large amount of resources". In comparison, the WeeChat IRC client I use holds in less than 20 MiB of RAM. Thanks, Maxim From unknown Sun Jun 22 04:34:59 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#51696: Request: Adopt the unofficial GUIX community on Matrix Resent-From: Jacob Hrbek Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-guix@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 15:33:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 51696 X-GNU-PR-Package: guix X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: maxim.cournoyer@gmail.com Cc: mhw@netris.org, 51696@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Jacob Hrbek Received: via spool by 51696-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B51696.163673115022151 (code B ref 51696); Fri, 12 Nov 2021 15:33:02 +0000 Received: (at 51696) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Nov 2021 15:32:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45774 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mlYXV-0005lC-Fg for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Nov 2021 10:32:29 -0500 Received: from mail-4022.proton.ch ([185.70.40.22]:17482) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mlYXS-0005kx-Jv for 51696@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Nov 2021 10:32:28 -0500 Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 15:32:17 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rixotstudio.cz; s=protonmail2; t=1636731139; bh=HVcmgC681AMmKbGH0kPat7vttKuZzWc4d2xemUurGK4=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Reply-To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=Qf9eaDc1RNQT0le5+mO0gZ3gsvC0OeidUHPR5Igzgb4muz9osDVHhNNUkfVDeP137 E+FeslxNNg56ZuLfUk67GvJtz8Njdb7V/h8TJYUMKuqGt2Ta4ob9YImf+I8Di6jn/9 dmvk6bG7FibI1xSc4B5kryMhhNVfpdFEnFZSo6jyawmLVULmareomTRM/AYA9DhL+F rmd3aEHdz3MHyLBwC5ItWQpug0qwTEVKiJPIH5XZyKcZWYUdCzjrGnBG8+RNTyidKl zNH61vqPui3+oOKIpjQ4e4DEtUVY5b+K6LCm4oJ2uSVS+WmgqYCBAECtmeIv4xeBNH dUFO+6jzTtc0w== From: Jacob Hrbek Message-ID: <0DKGNVaPjVpUyTa5xXl22d8PvHrp7w-QlsfduQvSlaQCdp3QOluSPfBYQYcrxiNaiWAKbSiuwCWjOsS5qthfFO4GggKsL-bs3GaB-0Sgu54=@rixotstudio.cz> In-Reply-To: <87tugho299.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87fss5udj9.fsf@netris.org> <87o86qqcm3.fsf@gmail.com> <87fss2q6cs.fsf@gmail.com> <87tugho299.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256; boundary="------8072325dfc75dce5a4ade817f0d676f1f9339ac960ff1ba1bba9a6b0d1d518d2"; charset=utf-8 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=10.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,HTML_MESSAGE shortcircuit=no autolearn=disabled version=3.4.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on mailout.protonmail.ch X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --------8072325dfc75dce5a4ade817f0d676f1f9339ac960ff1ba1bba9a6b0d1d518d2 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---------------------017e1d66f8ea8dfc816eff2361d389dc" -----------------------017e1d66f8ea8dfc816eff2361d389dc Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="---------------------08b071e91413ca4f5c1070542cf5869e" -----------------------08b071e91413ca4f5c1070542cf5869e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > I was curious because you said in your experience the clients other than = Element worked well (which is not my experience). -- Maxim To clarify I meant that I didn't experience any issues sending or receiving= messages on those clients and I asked "Is there any reason why should I ch= eck them?" in case you are aware of an issue that I should check. > When I used tried using it a couple years back it was consuming easily 1 = GiB of memory in the browser, sometimes 2. -- Maxim The initial sync takes around this on my system as well which seems to grow= depending on the complexity of the account e.g. account that joined X amou= nt of channels and sent X amount of messages will need more resources for t= he login procedure due to the zero knowledge federation. Could you try the client again for fresh data ideally outside of the matrix= .org homeserver? I always have issues on the upstream homeserver so it make= s me feel like its not representative of the network. \--- FWIW there is a script for weechat that integrates matrix as well. Sent from ProtonMail mobile \-------- Original Message -------- On Nov 12, 2021, 15:52, Maxim Cournoyer < maxim.cournoyer@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Hi Jacob, > > Jacob Hrbek writes: > > >> I'm curious; have you tried any Matrix client that do not require a br= owser or need a large amount of system resources > > to operate? --Maxim > > > > I was doing quick testing of other clients +- 7 months ago and decided = to use element. I didn't do any additional testing > > after that. Is there any reason why should I check them? > > I was curious because you said in your experience the clients other than > Element worked well (which is not my experience). > > > I am not aware of any matrix's client that requires a large amount of p= rocessing resources to operate (excluding miitrix > > for Nintendo DS allegedly which is allegedly due to the used Infrastruc= ture on the device).. would be a major problem for > > me if it did as my devices are optimized for battery life and tent to o= verheat on such use. > > When I used tried using it a couple years back it was consuming easily 1 > GiB of memory in the browser, sometimes 2. That's what I meant by > "large amount of resources". 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[72.10.149.119]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id ay36sm2014449qkb.60.2021.11.12.17.58.26 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 12 Nov 2021 17:58:26 -0800 (PST) From: Maxim Cournoyer References: <87fss5udj9.fsf@netris.org> <87o86qqcm3.fsf@gmail.com> <87fss2q6cs.fsf@gmail.com> <87tugho299.fsf@gmail.com> <0DKGNVaPjVpUyTa5xXl22d8PvHrp7w-QlsfduQvSlaQCdp3QOluSPfBYQYcrxiNaiWAKbSiuwCWjOsS5qthfFO4GggKsL-bs3GaB-0Sgu54=@rixotstudio.cz> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 20:58:25 -0500 In-Reply-To: <0DKGNVaPjVpUyTa5xXl22d8PvHrp7w-QlsfduQvSlaQCdp3QOluSPfBYQYcrxiNaiWAKbSiuwCWjOsS5qthfFO4GggKsL-bs3GaB-0Sgu54=@rixotstudio.cz> (Jacob Hrbek's message of "Fri, 12 Nov 2021 15:32:17 +0000") Message-ID: <87wnlcizpa.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hi Jacob, Jacob Hrbek writes: >> I was curious because you said in your experience the clients other than Element worked well (which is not my experience). -- Maxim > > To clarify I meant that I didn't experience any issues sending or receiving messages on those clients and I asked "Is there any reason why should I check them?" in case you are aware of an issue that I should check. > >> When I used tried using it a couple years back it was consuming easily 1 GiB of memory in the browser, sometimes 2. -- Maxim > > The initial sync takes around this on my system as well which seems to grow depending on the complexity of the account e.g. account that joined X amount of channels and sent X amount of messages will need more resources for the login > procedure due to the zero knowledge federation. I see. For my usage, that's too much, as I'm not comfortable dedicating up to a quarter of my system memory for a real time text messaging application. > Could you try the client again for fresh data ideally outside of the matrix.org homeserver? I always have issues on the upstream homeserver so it makes me feel like its not representative of the network. > > --- > > FWIW there is a script for weechat that integrates matrix as well. Yes, I'm aware of it; as I wrote earlier, I had tried it and found it too buggy to be usable, unfortunately. Could you clarify what benefits would "adopting" the Matrix channel and space provide? Isn't there already a bridge to libera.chat (thus #guix) in Matrix? Thanks, Maxim From unknown Sun Jun 22 04:34:59 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#51696: Request: Adopt the unofficial GUIX community on Matrix Resent-From: Jacob Hrbek Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-guix@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2021 02:38:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 51696 X-GNU-PR-Package: guix X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Maxim Cournoyer Cc: mhw@netris.org, 51696@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Jacob Hrbek Received: via spool by 51696-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B51696.163677106623743 (code B ref 51696); Sat, 13 Nov 2021 02:38:01 +0000 Received: (at 51696) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Nov 2021 02:37:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46311 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mlivK-0006At-EJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Nov 2021 21:37:46 -0500 Received: from mail-4323.proton.ch ([185.70.43.23]:13406) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mlivG-0006Ab-3E for 51696@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Nov 2021 21:37:45 -0500 Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2021 02:37:31 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rixotstudio.cz; s=protonmail2; t=1636771054; bh=6ydUZsJ3fb6pAGWVSrQF1VItyP4+S3jeUCGuAwWyiKI=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Reply-To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=uOxmqcF8c+5YAF4LrT+sT5zF/7br0QaXbq+GmxnF8dCtTp6hJSTX1LD0TY7vz+K+5 0kJMXdjLI8lOzECRAUCf9H8Q4hine/p2yIJZBGJHy+LbLJyZBJAaIyzTBGoLNzU2le kfcyr7yj6iCLsjaBm/RCRhHriCrcpqQEzdD1cEoPWxEO9xYAqBw2IIHsIzSGyqaxFl Ath/V0gC1zSHd6s7pIlN8kKFXEO3er/kw4HEip1/6INBu8B/4FcRTqtuvOi/e87Ws9 WfjoHUmmkviL3GI9Uh+PAXVFm1nZh35vHto/I4K58QEO0iRrjPr5hEaAvb+OmXJSrD 2goVywSME93og== From: Jacob Hrbek Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <87wnlcizpa.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87fss5udj9.fsf@netris.org> <87o86qqcm3.fsf@gmail.com> <87fss2q6cs.fsf@gmail.com> <87tugho299.fsf@gmail.com> <0DKGNVaPjVpUyTa5xXl22d8PvHrp7w-QlsfduQvSlaQCdp3QOluSPfBYQYcrxiNaiWAKbSiuwCWjOsS5qthfFO4GggKsL-bs3GaB-0Sgu54=@rixotstudio.cz> <87wnlcizpa.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha512; boundary="------6dc39ef4e3121e167c98dbf0855e156e9974eb62631653bf92c20e5a48178585"; charset=utf-8 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=10.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF shortcircuit=no autolearn=disabled version=3.4.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on mailout.protonmail.ch X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --------6dc39ef4e3121e167c98dbf0855e156e9974eb62631653bf92c20e5a48178585 Content-Type: multipart/mixed;boundary=---------------------43e2da5f3cc7649d8e366bc7ce94e72f -----------------------43e2da5f3cc7649d8e366bc7ce94e72f Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain;charset=utf-8 > I see. For my usage, that's too much, as I'm not comfortable dedicating= up to a quarter of my system memory for a real time text messaging applic= ation. -- Maxim > Could you clarify what benefits would "adopting" the Matrix channel and = space provide? Isn't there already a bridge to libera.chat (thus #guix) i= n Matrix? -- Maxim My proposal doesn't require you to use the application and if the resource= requirements for the initial sync are unwanted then that can be disabled = at the cost of not getting your already sent and received messages and joi= ned channels. FWIW the sync is not a problem in terms of resources on my devices as the = CPU scheduler optimizes the load as the sync is not time sensitive. I am asking for an adoption of the Matrix channel and the space with a bri= dges so that users can use either of those protocols (possibly more) to be= in a contact with the guix-relevant channels. ..without the need to set up custom spaces like I am doing now as that is = an annoyance that increases the complexity of the setup. Which also significantly decreases the likelyhood of people making their o= wn channels without disclosing it's unofficiality that discourages new use= rs from trying Guix (which happened to me and 3 other people I know as i w= as lead to believe that Guix is just weird arch that can't be configured w= ithout implementation of parametrization of packages). Real life example: PINE64 community management just with puppet users (use= rs which are integrated in the protocol) instead of relay bridges (message= s like `[I] alice: message` to show message from alice that was sent on an= IRC). > Yes, I'm aware of it; as I wrote earlier, I had tried it and found it to= o buggy to be usable, unfortunately. -- Maxim Consider filing a bug report so that those issues can be tracked and actio= nable as (I didn't try matrix on weechat) it seems that the implementation= is mature and usable enough. -- Jacob "Kreyren" Hrbek Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. =E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90 Original M= essage =E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90=E2=80=90 On Saturday, November 13th, 2021 at 1:58 AM, Maxim Cournoyer wrote: > Hi Jacob, > = > Jacob Hrbek kreyren@rixotstudio.cz writes: > = > > > I was curious because you said in your experience the clients other = than Element worked well (which is not my experience). -- Maxim > > = > > To clarify I meant that I didn't experience any issues sending or rece= iving messages on those clients and I asked "Is there any reason why shoul= d I check them?" in case you are aware of an issue that I should check. > > = > > > When I used tried using it a couple years back it was consuming easi= ly 1 GiB of memory in the browser, sometimes 2. -- Maxim > > = > > The initial sync takes around this on my system as well which seems to= grow depending on the complexity of the account e.g. account that joined = X amount of channels and sent X amount of messages will need more resource= s for the login > > = > > procedure due to the zero knowledge federation. > = > I see. For my usage, that's too much, as I'm not comfortable dedicating > = > up to a quarter of my system memory for a real time text messaging > = > application. > = > > Could you try the client again for fresh data ideally outside of the m= atrix.org homeserver? I always have issues on the upstream homeserver so i= t makes me feel like its not representative of the network. > > = > > FWIW there is a script for weechat that integrates matrix as well. > = > Yes, I'm aware of it; as I wrote earlier, I had tried it and found it > = > too buggy to be usable, unfortunately. > = > Could you clarify what benefits would "adopting" the Matrix channel and > = > space provide? 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I echo Mark=E2=80=99s and zimoun=E2=80=99s sentiments here. Furthermore, a lot of people on the #guix IRC channel are already accessing it via Matrix, so I don=E2=80=99t see why we=E2=80=99d need volun= teers to spend energy on an additional instant messaging space. Thanks, Ludo=E2=80=99. From unknown Sun Jun 22 04:34:59 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#51696: (no subject) In-Reply-To: Resent-From: jgart Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-guix@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2021 01:22:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 51696 X-GNU-PR-Package: guix X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 51696@debbugs.gnu.org Cc: Raghav Gururajan Received: via spool by 51696-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B51696.16376304773646 (code B ref 51696); Tue, 23 Nov 2021 01:22:01 +0000 Received: (at 51696) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Nov 2021 01:21:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49450 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mpKUn-0000wj-Bp for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 22 Nov 2021 20:21:17 -0500 Received: from mx1.dismail.de ([78.46.223.134]:46116) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mpKUk-0000wU-RJ for 51696@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 22 Nov 2021 20:21:15 -0500 Received: from mx1.dismail.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx1.dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 605e6d55; Tue, 23 Nov 2021 02:21:07 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed; d=dismail.de; h=date :message-id:from:to:cc:references:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; s=20190914; bh=sGp2EqVOvQTFBx8uZlLUT eiaQyOt6uBVcP/up6r8RiU=; b=i1SMJXpQEUVhtJZ6NmAZEj1eXTqANlWm2o1le +ODAZh6UlCMBFaMyRThlndxQk2OP11kuR4wM7naTbOeLBznUVEV7I02cJv0+GHGN UL+5VdxK3emQ0VotTGixloWYunPGGF8UkWEcuPnzt4oLbp7VvU7t3FecpJPlHXTw 95XoIhDokbEWIneXlbNH8W0m0Sp/KW2vMnO5XVGqLeRn8K5JNYoZXETy90aLnqYC DsYkJMTNRa75bGdUxkq/UNnQy84VQYfwmjnzNEkBPRI6Y8hJTIj06vz5kOiTraR/ g9WMcsZhXaMvWHEAQsErTqOF8+1pwq6biDJ/blKTZm8UIbQ4g== Received: from smtp1.dismail.de ( [10.240.26.11]) by mx1.dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 98fceaf4; Tue, 23 Nov 2021 02:21:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp1.dismail.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp1.dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 9343705b; Tue, 23 Nov 2021 02:21:07 +0100 (CET) Received: by dismail.de (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id 679c01a1 (TLSv1.3:AEAD-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256:NO); Tue, 23 Nov 2021 02:21:06 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2021 20:21:04 -0500 Message-ID: <20211122202104.GC5739@gac.attlocal.net> From: jgart References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: I primarily access #guix on irc.libera.chat from gajim (xmpp client) over a bridge. I think Raghav Gururajan mostly uses xmpp bridges also for irc last time we chatted. Regarding matrix clients, Content analysis details: (1.3 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at https://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [78.46.223.134 listed in list.dnswl.org] 1.8 MISSING_SUBJECT Missing Subject: header 0.2 NO_SUBJECT Extra score for no subject X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) I primarily access #guix on irc.libera.chat from gajim (xmpp client) over a bridge. I think Raghav Gururajan mostly uses xmpp bridges also for irc last time we chatted. Regarding matrix clients, Arun Isaac packaged weechat-matrix for guix recently: see the following commit on master: 7ebed0cdc8043852bed7f5ca639f16bac30cc124 gomuks is a nice tui matrix client that I use daily when element takes forever to load in my browser: https://maunium.net/go/gomuks/ I'm hoping to package it at some point. I currently install gomuks with nix... It would be cool to self-host a Guix System deployed matrix home server at some point in the future. Ideally, the server is implemented in guile instead of python (default homeserver), of course :). There are matrix servers implemented in python, elixir, rust, go, ... * https://matrix.org/docs/projects/server/synapse * https://matrix.org/docs/projects/server/dendrite * https://matrix.org/docs/projects/server/conduit * https://matrix.org/docs/projects/server/construct * https://matrix.org/docs/projects/server/ligase * https://matrix.org/docs/projects/server/maelstrom * https://github.com/bismark/matrex Matrix has a specification: https://spec.matrix.org/latest/ List of matrix servers: https://tatsumoto-ren.github.io/blog/list-of-matrix-servers.html all best, jgart From unknown Sun Jun 22 04:34:59 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#51696: Request: Adopt the unofficial GUIX community on Matrix Resent-From: Maxim Cournoyer Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-guix@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2021 03:38:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 51696 X-GNU-PR-Package: guix X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Jacob Hrbek Cc: mhw@netris.org, 51696@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 51696-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B51696.16397986539786 (code B ref 51696); Sat, 18 Dec 2021 03:38:02 +0000 Received: (at 51696) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Dec 2021 03:37:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41006 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1myQXN-0002Xm-K9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 17 Dec 2021 22:37:33 -0500 Received: from mail-qt1-f169.google.com ([209.85.160.169]:40466) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1myQXL-0002Xa-Ol for 51696@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 17 Dec 2021 22:37:32 -0500 Received: by mail-qt1-f169.google.com with SMTP id t34so4655916qtc.7 for <51696@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 17 Dec 2021 19:37:31 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version; bh=E8pC00lE873mnjtL9Eq8W3l7hwP3Do3dd2tZLzw1s5Y=; b=CrObGxnDgyLurl8R4Wy51vzg6S8qpDXSgkmyXFxXADUUXIirZCoSo7X/APlhYAHHmH If1MAWLHzL25CVsc2mErwIRQtw5Y8KP6hDdA+Ck9kED20QP9cQq2ukCHia6p+4VeXRQC bYK7VH4vQM2gwPZPLjoI/gwgsx6ivNMWnwFGGpWmxI279mnrZ82fnkrYrwMcdkaYGifQ USAb88W216H93WzbjxOq8rMYxTU5SAxrbvNYb5NY8K0aGc8KDKdIqZIIJfNya/kNPb/N 0zQg1CahMdiroYPym/FZoLvQSUu1s+/DObIrJBgUFeI35qTJVr7XHxQaR/H2S+v3BHNP vl6A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=E8pC00lE873mnjtL9Eq8W3l7hwP3Do3dd2tZLzw1s5Y=; b=D9YaD4Qs8/y8oii0uYZ9pfgAS/Ow2ybhN6/KO4f4wc5aIU5os9Gy15jZnOfhwatsPb MP8UTs6tbcY4XeeHTwVrw+X1VaZabiKlw5dP/gSOW3BgyZSwctgDRWhVVC7tpnaqoAbN 9vRSJm+dv9utM0cYMPFVmHzSbIbjw4rxyxjOsSeLVtNjlW6NjW/MmpleijE7VDBeq4bX qHbac33i+DezTOyJDsXehkm0KiDVnnS9uwQOgoDmLdyZ2GBWRD11f1m/JJwCfoD6kxnI M6O9COvfJfnYwpO1PBZU45W4ByaAHCHH9yZ6eoa7OSPvt15PBB3Zh6Bts1Li/P1BGpqr N9Hg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5300isOqoS2ZjXYhuy8mjleF1qimlpf4oxMB3I7ZXsV6ne5lAKeP ZczS8vS2CqE8t9Hyd1isXG4K0LEE4Ow= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJx+IDv/sTMDOCfe9X9eI4Aisb5pHu/C/cjqzytEXtoNn1HINbAUTEfCnV3BryXGrUscC0WHFg== X-Received: by 2002:a05:622a:1790:: with SMTP id s16mr4986627qtk.634.1639798646074; Fri, 17 Dec 2021 19:37:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from hurd ([207.35.95.41]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m9sm5961978qkn.59.2021.12.17.19.37.24 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 17 Dec 2021 19:37:24 -0800 (PST) From: Maxim Cournoyer References: <87fss5udj9.fsf@netris.org> <87o86qqcm3.fsf@gmail.com> <87fss2q6cs.fsf@gmail.com> <87tugho299.fsf@gmail.com> <0DKGNVaPjVpUyTa5xXl22d8PvHrp7w-QlsfduQvSlaQCdp3QOluSPfBYQYcrxiNaiWAKbSiuwCWjOsS5qthfFO4GggKsL-bs3GaB-0Sgu54=@rixotstudio.cz> <87wnlcizpa.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2021 22:37:23 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Jacob Hrbek's message of "Sat, 13 Nov 2021 02:37:31 +0000") Message-ID: <87a6gy60ss.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hello, We haven't heard back from the Matrix folks (which you introduced rather abruptly in the conversation) about whether users on the Matrix side could be moderated from IRC. I don't feel like there's a strong will from the current Guix IRC moderators/maintainers to take ownership of a Matrix official channel. If this perception of mine is false, make your voice heard :-). Otherwise, I'll close this issue in a week or so, as there is no point in leaving it to linger on forever. 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