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envelope-from=drew.adams@oracle.com; helo=mx0a-00069f02.pphosted.com X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) emacs -Q Eval this code, then `M-x customize-option foo' (defcustom foo 42 "Some doc. Several possibilities: * `xxx' - yyyyyyyyy yyyyyyyyyyyy * `yyy' - zzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzz * 42 - aaaaaa aaaaaaaaa Some more description of this. And some more. And yet more explanation of it. * `qqq' - rrrrrrrrr rrrrrrrrrr" :group 'emacs :type 'sexp) In the Customize buffer, The empty lines in the doc string get filled with SPC chars up to the indentation. That is, trailing whitespace chars are inserted. If you turn on highlighting of trailing whitespace you can see this. Shouldn't happen - the lines should remain empty. In GNU Emacs 27.2 (build 1, x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2021-03-26 built on CIRROCUMULUS Repository revision: deef5efafb70f4b171265b896505b92b6eef24e6 Repository branch: HEAD Windowing system distributor 'Microsoft Corp.', version 10.0.19042 System Description: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro (v10.0.2009.19042.1288) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Nov 03 18:14:18 2021 Received: (at 51586) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Nov 2021 22:14:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41453 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1miOWQ-0001Nr-5r for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 03 Nov 2021 18:14:18 -0400 Received: from mail-pl1-f177.google.com ([209.85.214.177]:33431) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1miOWO-0001NH-Mc for 51586@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 03 Nov 2021 18:14:16 -0400 Received: by mail-pl1-f177.google.com with SMTP id s24so3982279plp.0 for <51586@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 03 Nov 2021 15:14:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to:cc :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Vl1swhoHFEkyIiucOKva0VjM5l+4KckFuK558+EZOQg=; b=kMQHYC0sJWfBGd3mtN3uSzVQ7P1erUjeklxBEFAEyAINME7ZapkzR+GPP1sZApQRL0 TMchJdPSJYBIa6houUoKKGWli1iXshgDME+P9f4RWqthneZ4WeAQM1OlTDBd30FyX7uD ptUzshCKFv8bVlwAyougYPyFW6f8WeBwrnv5pPKc1ytNInrx9JXc/Svv4fXoQh0Z72hh 7hWkntSygM5stEWHwLMNH+KCElqSCMO/YFgbPVAWctroQVyC7RP0y+NCxTRcoI8T8JPG l9ZmV8xY8pmvOhZYjkBsF8sYC8PMh1EDd6LF1pZgrm8EpaDisnbg6T+L7CkVnIsW4gvt xy1Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5335LbXKBdASqZyL0o8ek7uysrOLcQRSMBeyxVX7Lo40RD4tCzYo YtXKqvQApzqWP5cMfLZVmUAJNJ5xqVzEYWpa2mQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJytuakHfiKt6dIEmuWls+KPrIBpq+LlbpKGMQ4KJBEl8RoSbNuEKhGDlfBPoR1e965hfBOBjrqAYvRUAzGJA+E= X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:a410:b0:141:be1a:53d1 with SMTP id p16-20020a170902a41000b00141be1a53d1mr30666142plq.71.1635977651078; Wed, 03 Nov 2021 15:14:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Wed, 3 Nov 2021 15:14:10 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Wed, 3 Nov 2021 14:07:45 +0000") References: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2021 15:14:10 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#51586: 27.2; Customize inserts trailing-space empty lines in doc string To: Drew Adams Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 51586 Cc: 51586@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) severity 51586 wishlist thanks Drew Adams writes: > emacs -Q > Eval this code, then `M-x customize-option foo' > > (defcustom foo 42 > "Some doc. > Several possibilities: > > * `xxx' - yyyyyyyyy yyyyyyyyyyyy > > * `yyy' - zzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzz > > * 42 - aaaaaa aaaaaaaaa > Some more description of this. > And some more. > > And yet more > explanation of it. > > * `qqq' - rrrrrrrrr rrrrrrrrrr" > :group 'emacs :type 'sexp) > > In the Customize buffer, The empty lines in the doc string get filled > with SPC chars up to the indentation. That is, trailing whitespace > chars are inserted. If you turn on highlighting of trailing whitespace > you can see this. Shouldn't happen - the lines should remain empty. Isn't it sort of nice that the user can put point at the "S" here Several possibilities: * =E2=80=98xxx=E2=80=99 - yyyyyyyyy yyyyyyyyyyyy * =E2=80=98yyy=E2=80=99 - zzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzz and then hit `C-n' without having the cursor jump from column 0 to column 4? Neither way seems obviously better to me. Also, does the user care about trailing whitespace here? 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Content preview: Stefan Kangas writes: > Isn't it sort of nice that the user can put point at the "S" here > > Several possibilities: > > * ‘xxx’ - yyyyyyyyy yyyyyyyyyyyy > > * ‘yyy’ - zzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzz > > and then hit `C-n [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 51586 Cc: 51586@debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Stefan Kangas writes: > Isn't it sort of nice that the user can put point at the "S" here > > Several possibilities: > > * =E2=80=98xxx=E2=80=99 - yyyyyyyyy yyyyyyyyyyyy > > * =E2=80=98yyy=E2=80=99 - zzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzz > > and then hit `C-n' without having the cursor jump from column 0 to > column 4? Neither way seems obviously better to me. I think indenting this "rigidly" makes the most sense here -- i.e., not indenting the blank lines is slightly worse. 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