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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Courier New generally looks terrible on modern screens, as it has been negl= ected for decades since its original digitization for use with 640x480 CRT = screens in the early 90s. Many of the character glyphs are only 1 pixel wid= e and look like hairlines on an LCD screen. To address this, Windows Vista and later ship with Consolas, the default mo= nospaced font used in Notepad, CMD (terminal), and other built-in programs.= It is also used by default in nearly every other text/code editor, web bro= wser, and terminal program when requesting a monospace font. Personally spe= aking, it is magnitudes more legible and easier to read. Consolas looks sim= ilar to DejaVu Mono, which is generally the default in GNU systems.=20 This patch changes the default font in MS-Windows to Consolas-11. It will s= till fall back to the previous default (Courier New-10) on older systems wh= ere the font is not available. I want to be clear that this is not a change= for the sake of choosing a fashionable font... Consolas has been the defau= lt monospace font in Windows for 15 years! 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Many of the character glyphs are only 1 pixel wide and look like hairlines on an LCD screen. > > To address this, Windows Vista and later ship with Consolas, the default monospaced font used in Notepad, CMD (terminal), and other built-in programs. It is also used by default in nearly every other text/code editor, web browser, and terminal program when requesting a monospace font. Personally speaking, it is magnitudes more legible and easier to read. Consolas looks similar to DejaVu Mono, which is generally the default in GNU systems. > > This patch changes the default font in MS-Windows to Consolas-11. It will still fall back to the previous default (Courier New-10) on older systems where the font is not available. I want to be clear that this is not a change for the sake of choosing a fashionable font... Consolas has been the default monospace font in Windows for 15 years! I'm sorry, but this is a non-starter. Selecting a default font on Windows that will work reasonably well on all the supported Windows versions (i.e. Windows 9X to Windows 11) is a delicate and tricky business. Courier New, with all its deficiencies, is not a bad font (I use it on many Windows system, up to and including Windows 10, and cannot agree that it "looks terrible"), and it satisfies the non-trivial requirements we have: support for many scripts and availability on all the Windows versions. (AFAICT, Consolas still supports fewer Unicode blocks that Courier new, even on Windows 10.) Moreover, replacing the default font will inevitably open a Pandora box of the need to change the settings of some other faces we use in Emacs (like fixed-pitch and variable-pitch, for example), which need to be compatible with (i.e. reasonably similar to) the default font, in order to avoid ugly displays where we mix these two (for example, in Info buffers). People who don't like the default font can easily customize their Emacs to use Consolas (or any other font). We have several ways of doing that: . Invoke Emacs with "emacs -fn Consolas-11" . Put (set-face-font 'default "Consolas-11") in your init file . Put "Emacs.font" with the value "Consolas-11" in the Registry, under the HKEY_CURRENT_USER\SOFTWARE\GNU\Emacs key (The latter method emulates the X resources on Posix platforms.) So, given that it is so easy to customize the default font, and OTOH given the non-trivial issues that will be caused by changing the default, I think we should not change the default, not in the observable future. In any case, a proposal to change the default font must be accompanied by suitable changes to the basic faces that request different font families, and we must also carefully consider the coverage of the candidate font vs that of Courier new, because any Unicode block covered by Courier New but not the contender would mean potential display problems due to font size/pitch mismatches, which usually results in user complaints. Thanks. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Oct 26 10:08:22 2021 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Oct 2021 14:08:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47300 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mfN7m-0000kW-7E for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 26 Oct 2021 10:08:22 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:53968) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mfN7k-0000kM-6Y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 26 Oct 2021 10:08:21 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:46090) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mfN7j-0002aL-OG for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Oct 2021 10:08:20 -0400 Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:46278) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mfN7h-00055P-CR for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Oct 2021 10:08:19 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mfN7f-0008v2-QO for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Oct 2021 16:08:15 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org From: Howard Melman Subject: Re: bug#51405: Set default font on Windows to Consolas-11 Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2021 10:08:06 -0400 Message-ID: References: <83fssoymkb.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (darwin) Cancel-Lock: sha1:g/HxuFP8rVZaQ9/V40Jpd9xVX/U= Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: 5 X-Spam_score: 0.5 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (0.5 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD=1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.9 (/) Eli Zaretskii writes: > AFAICT, Consolas still supports fewer Unicode blocks that > Courier new, even on Windows 10. I don't use either so I'm not proposing one or the other but I was curious about this. According to wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consolas Although Consolas is designed as a replacement for Courier New, only 713 glyphs were initially available, as compared to Courier New (2.90)'s 1318 glyphs. In version 5.22 (included with Windows 7), support for Greek Extended, Combining Diacritical Marks For Symbols, Number Forms, Arrows, Box Drawing, and Geometric Shapes was added. In version 5.32 the total number of supported glyphs was 2735. In version 7.00 (as part of Windows 10 1909) there are 3030 glyphs in total. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Courier_(typeface)#Courier_New Versions from 2.76 onward include Hebrew and Arabic glyphs, with most of the Arabic characters added on non-italic fonts. The styling of Arabic glyphs is similar to those found in Times New Roman but adjusted for monospace. The Courier New version 5.00 includes over 3100 glyphs, covering over 2700 characters per font. Is there some place that actually lists the unicode block support for each font? -- Howard From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Oct 26 10:31:22 2021 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Oct 2021 14:31:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47307 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mfNU2-0001Ns-6A for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 26 Oct 2021 10:31:22 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:38248) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mfNTy-0001Ne-5W for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 26 Oct 2021 10:31:21 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53654) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mfNTv-0005Tq-JI for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Oct 2021 10:31:16 -0400 Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:45942) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mfNTt-0002XH-PD for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Oct 2021 10:31:15 -0400 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mfNTq-0009Og-VS for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Oct 2021 16:31:10 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org From: Howard Melman Subject: Re: bug#51405: Set default font on Windows to Consolas-11 Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2021 10:31:05 -0400 Message-ID: References: <83fssoymkb.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (darwin) Cancel-Lock: sha1:szDyPrHr1BOQsgFJBAoQqje7rCk= Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: 5 X-Spam_score: 0.5 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (0.5 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD=1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.9 (/) Howard Melman writes: >> AFAICT, Consolas still supports fewer Unicode blocks that >> Courier new, even on Windows 10. > Is there some place that actually lists the unicode block > support for each font? Based on: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/typography/font-list/consolas https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/typography/font-list/courier-new It seems the difference is that Courier New supports Hebrew and Arabic while Consolas does not. -- Howard From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Oct 26 12:03:11 2021 Received: (at 51405) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Oct 2021 16:03:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47387 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mfOut-00040I-7U for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 26 Oct 2021 12:03:11 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:59268) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mfOuo-0003zh-EL for 51405@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 26 Oct 2021 12:03:10 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:60694) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mfOuj-0001jW-6y; Tue, 26 Oct 2021 12:03:01 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=NNh8LxBj7Kx0ReXOQ8zwFc1J2Zd+25R5j7EwWbdvPHg=; b=V1nmPCnl+LvH KnpDyi/ww+DNo5jyeelLmks/TkM5iIIDd+/qSRsxrOFTgiYuXzF76WRGua3tZZ9I3hGNV1USkuPoH Q3vdv7jwXh8WY6MSsZlb943bYDiw7zAayUDljMFbzPJchgHZiZf+5OSSbWrHc4L+1cyjFFGVelt3T 3wB9CZv9VAfk87HWeGY7LtaRaaJOz6+mZVvWZa8oJjfKaSkpHV/iqEtj53/olK2jL9YXWLG+/93op 5VscA3Mg7cKQNV+0RsPXxTQ4veEbiX8SYcwXOvABRyzy17DrtLAdlD1T/Dzj0VmI0/YlMqA0tvND0 CGetlpa3SgUYqgwTpSnZQg==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=4556 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mfOui-0005Vy-N5; Tue, 26 Oct 2021 12:03:01 -0400 Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2021 19:02:57 +0300 Message-Id: <83mtmvydse.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Howard Melman In-Reply-To: (message from Howard Melman on Tue, 26 Oct 2021 10:08:06 -0400) Subject: Re: bug#51405: Set default font on Windows to Consolas-11 References: <83fssoymkb.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 51405 Cc: 51405@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Howard Melman > Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2021 10:08:06 -0400 > > Is there some place that actually lists the unicode block > support for each font? You already found the official site, but I would also like to point out that the wonderful BabelMap program will show this information for each font installed on the system. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Oct 26 12:04:07 2021 Received: (at 51405) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Oct 2021 16:04:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47392 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mfOvn-00042A-Fe for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 26 Oct 2021 12:04:07 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:59490) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mfOvl-00041W-BH for 51405@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 26 Oct 2021 12:04:05 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:60720) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mfOvg-0002Tr-4C; Tue, 26 Oct 2021 12:04:00 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=wGGPoXXg4gpT87QY6Da1q2UoYK+Qyjzfs/Frnpu3rxw=; b=Tkk1598f/cBx qrINJnNzyUGJyKWjwl/aP94KUJgtY+XTyoaXzNEs0dpNgEsVcuC1qM9M+sdQAs7fIh39x60IOyIiI ODcVHGFJC0C9BU0LQHY91xOXqkGifGhkJTx3Zi4nqjYzulo3nP/6Cdwf48ZfS1QWDlMOWzQy99ZJn 2LzyGDFJ+iNjozfuDN4YWJSt92W1d4+wBVHDB9AUYClKdLpEPCpHXLUqjje/O0x0eD7uB4Se/VI8f iBQyUc3iqq+vjKXyKcTSdA54OyJF9WhjG9m0wi8Z0Kh5O615r/XXJ/WFByqpEdPC4rurzaWh0Ckw+ kcozfqSeKbLARL/lXn1N2g==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=4616 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mfOvf-0002Cb-Fq; Tue, 26 Oct 2021 12:03:59 -0400 Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2021 19:03:56 +0300 Message-Id: <83lf2fydqr.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Howard Melman In-Reply-To: (message from Howard Melman on Tue, 26 Oct 2021 10:31:05 -0400) Subject: Re: bug#51405: Set default font on Windows to Consolas-11 References: <83fssoymkb.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 51405 Cc: 51405@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Howard Melman > Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2021 10:31:05 -0400 > > Based on: > https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/typography/font-list/consolas > https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/typography/font-list/courier-new > > It seems the difference is that Courier New supports Hebrew > and Arabic while Consolas does not. Right. Which I think is a significant disadvantage for the users who need these scripts. 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