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To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 29.0.50; remove non-CAPs from rcirc capability list Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 17:08:30 -0700 Message-ID: <87o87gzjpd.fsf@neverwas.me> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.60 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" X-AuthUser: masked@neverwas.me X-Zone-Spam-Resolution: no action X-Zone-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1, required=15, tests=[ARC_NA=0, RCPT_COUNT_TWO=0, URIBL_BLOCKED=0, FROM_HAS_DN=0, TO_DN_SOME=0, HAS_ATTACHMENT=0, FROM_EQ_ENVFROM=0, MIME_TRACE=0, MIME_GOOD=-0.1, NEURAL_SPAM=0, MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM=0, RCVD_COUNT_ZERO=0] Received-SPF: pass client-ip=136.175.108.219; envelope-from=jp@neverwas.me; helo=mail-108-mta219.mxroute.com X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_INVALID=0.1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit Cc: Philip Kaludercic X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Severity: minor Hi Philip, Nice job on the v3 stuff. I happened across a couple capabilities being requested that don't officially exist, a distinction you've probably picked up on in the course of pursuing this work [1]. The couple that slipped by are always NAK'd but basically harmless, so you may just want to leave 'em or otherwise go your own way. If so, please ignore this. Thanks, J.P. P.S. The CTCP "KEEPALIVE" in the ergo session below jumped out at me; just FYI in case that's of any interest. [1] For others who may be wondering, the specs are still a bit rough when it comes to denoting with any consistency when an extension has a corresponding ("requestable") capability. For example, some extensions (like STS) have caps that are strictly server-only, meaning you, a client, shouldn't REQ them. Other caps are only effectively server-only, meaning it doesn't matter if you REQ them or not (negated or otherwise). And some extensions (like the two in this bug) don't offer caps at all. This has confused me enough over the years that I've taken to looking to other clients as well as WG chatter on Github for clues, which can get old pretty fast. In GNU Emacs 29.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.30, cairo version 1.17.4) of 2021-10-15 built on localhost Repository revision: ca3d7234d39fd55e6cd4521e5e583aba12434402 Repository branch: master Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12011000 System Description: Fedora 34 (Workstation Edition) Configured using: 'configure --enable-check-lisp-object-type --enable-checking=yes,glyphs --build=x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu --host=x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu --program-prefix= --prefix=/usr --exec-prefix=/usr --bindir=/usr/bin --sbindir=/usr/sbin --sysconfdir=/etc --datadir=/usr/share --includedir=/usr/include --libdir=/usr/lib64 --libexecdir=/usr/libexec --localstatedir=/var --sharedstatedir=/var/lib --mandir=/usr/share/man --infodir=/usr/share/info --with-dbus --with-gif --with-jpeg --with-png --with-rsvg --with-tiff --with-xft --with-xpm --with-x-toolkit=gtk3 --with-gpm=no --with-xwidgets --with-modules --with-harfbuzz --with-cairo --with-json build_alias=x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu host_alias=x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu CC=gcc 'CFLAGS=-O0 -g3' LDFLAGS=-Wl,-z,relro PKG_CONFIG_PATH=:/usr/lib64/pkgconfig:/usr/share/pkgconfig' Configured features: ACL CAIRO DBUS FREETYPE GIF GLIB GMP GNUTLS GSETTINGS HARFBUZZ JPEG JSON LCMS2 LIBOTF LIBSELINUX LIBSYSTEMD LIBXML2 M17N_FLT MODULES NOTIFY INOTIFY PDUMPER PNG RSVG SECCOMP SOUND THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS X11 XDBE XIM XPM XWIDGETS GTK3 ZLIB Important settings: value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8 value of $XMODIFIERS: @im=ibus locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: Lisp Interaction Minor modes in effect: tooltip-mode: t global-eldoc-mode: t eldoc-mode: t show-paren-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t indent-tabs-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Load-path shadows: None found. Features: (shadow sort mail-extr emacsbug message rmc puny dired dired-loaddefs rfc822 mml mml-sec epa derived epg rfc6068 epg-config gnus-util rmail rmail-loaddefs auth-source cl-seq eieio eieio-core cl-macs eieio-loaddefs password-cache json map text-property-search time-date seq gv subr-x byte-opt bytecomp byte-compile cconv mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231 mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheader cl-loaddefs cl-lib sendmail rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums mm-util mail-prsvr mail-utils iso-transl tooltip eldoc paren electric uniquify ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type elisp-mode mwheel term/x-win x-win term/common-win x-dnd tool-bar dnd fontset image regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list replace newcomment text-mode lisp-mode prog-mode register page tab-bar menu-bar rfn-eshadow isearch easymenu timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax font-core term/tty-colors frame minibuffer cl-generic cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese eucjp-ms cp51932 hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese composite emoji-zwj charscript charprop case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev obarray cl-preloaded nadvice button loaddefs faces cus-face macroexp files window text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote threads xwidget-internal dbusbind inotify lcms2 dynamic-setting system-font-setting font-render-setting cairo move-toolbar gtk x-toolkit x multi-tty make-network-process emacs) Memory information: ((conses 16 50942 5933) (symbols 48 6632 1) (strings 32 18373 2087) (string-bytes 1 622208) (vectors 16 13731) (vector-slots 8 186505 9804) (floats 8 21 35) (intervals 56 259 0) (buffers 992 10)) --=-=-= Content-Type: text/x-patch Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=0001-Don-t-request-phony-capabilities-in-rcirc.patch >From 2d7f5116525e0679721519faa240d7fd7ca23ccf Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: "F. Jason Park" Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 22:17:18 -0700 Subject: [PATCH] Don't request phony capabilities in rcirc * lisp/net/rcirc.el (rcirc-implemented-capabilities): Remove non-capability extensions but document that they're supported. --- lisp/net/rcirc.el | 7 +++++-- 1 file changed, 5 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) diff --git a/lisp/net/rcirc.el b/lisp/net/rcirc.el index 52d74a3394..f8c7ea41bc 100644 --- a/lisp/net/rcirc.el +++ b/lisp/net/rcirc.el @@ -622,11 +622,9 @@ rcirc-implemented-capabilities '("message-tags" ;https://ircv3.net/specs/extensions/message-tags "server-time" ;https://ircv3.net/specs/extensions/server-time "batch" ;https://ircv3.net/specs/extensions/batch - "message-ids" ;https://ircv3.net/specs/extensions/message-ids "invite-notify" ;https://ircv3.net/specs/extensions/invite-notify "sasl" ;https://ircv3.net/specs/extensions/sasl-3.1 "multi-prefix" ;https://ircv3.net/specs/extensions/multi-prefix - "standard-replies" ;https://ircv3.net/specs/extensions/standard-replies ;; The following capabilities should be implemented as soon as ;; their specifications are undrafted: ;; @@ -644,6 +642,11 @@ rcirc-acked-capabilities (defvar-local rcirc-finished-sasl t "Check whether SASL authentication has completed.") +;; Other supported extensions +;; +;; message-ids https://ircv3.net/specs/extensions/message-ids +;; standard-replies https://ircv3.net/specs/extensions/standard-replies + (defun rcirc-get-server-method (server) "Return authentication method for SERVER." (catch 'method -- 2.31.1 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=rcirc-ergo.log Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit [2021-10-15T21:53:38 localhost] SENTINEL: # "open " [2021-10-15T21:53:38 localhost] CAP REQ :message-tags [2021-10-15T21:53:38 localhost] CAP REQ :server-time [2021-10-15T21:53:38 localhost] CAP REQ :batch [2021-10-15T21:53:38 localhost] CAP REQ :message-ids [2021-10-15T21:53:38 localhost] CAP REQ :invite-notify [2021-10-15T21:53:38 localhost] CAP REQ :sasl [2021-10-15T21:53:38 localhost] CAP REQ :multi-prefix [2021-10-15T21:53:38 localhost] CAP REQ :standard-replies [2021-10-15T21:53:38 localhost] NICK tester [2021-10-15T21:53:38 localhost] USER user 0 * :unknown [2021-10-15T21:53:38 localhost] PRIVMSG tester :KEEPALIVE 1634360018.784283 [2021-10-15T21:53:38 localhost] :irc.foonet.org CAP * ACK message-tags @time=2021-10-16T04:53:38.784Z :irc.foonet.org CAP * ACK server-time @time=2021-10-16T04:53:38.784Z :irc.foonet.org CAP * ACK batch @time=2021-10-16T04:53:38.784Z :irc.foonet.org CAP * NAK message-ids @time=2021-10-16T04:53:38.784Z :irc.foonet.org CAP * ACK invite-notify @time=2021-10-16T04:53:38.784Z :irc.foonet.org CAP * ACK sasl @time=2021-10-16T04:53:38.784Z :irc.foonet.org CAP * ACK multi-prefix @time=2021-10-16T04:53:38.784Z :irc.foonet.org CAP * NAK standard-replies @time=2021-10-16T04:53:38.784Z :irc.foonet.org 451 * :You need to register before you can use that command [2021-10-15T21:53:38 localhost] CAP END [2021-10-15T21:53:38 localhost] @time=2021-10-16T04:53:38.791Z :irc.foonet.org 001 tester :Welcome to the foonet IRC Network tester @time=2021-10-16T04:53:38.791Z :irc.foonet.org 002 tester :Your host is irc.foonet.org, running version oragono-2.6.1-937b9b02368748e5 @time=2021-10-16T04:53:38.791Z :irc.foonet.org 003 tester :This server was created Sat, 16 Oct 2021 04:49:18 UTC @time=2021-10-16T04:53:38.791Z :irc.foonet.org 004 tester irc.foonet.org oragono-2.6.1-937b9b02368748e5 BERTZios CEIMRUabefhiklmnoqstuv Iabefhkloqv @time=2021-10-16T04:53:38.791Z :irc.foonet.org 005 tester AWAYLEN=390 BOT=B CASEMAPPING=ascii CHANLIMIT=#:100 CHANMODES=Ibe,k,fl,CEMRUimnstu CHANNELLEN=64 CHANTYPES=# ELIST=U EXCEPTS EXTBAN=,m FORWARD=f INVEX KICKLEN=390 :are supported by this server @time=2021-10-16T04:53:38.791Z :irc.foonet.org 005 tester MAXLIST=beI:60 MAXTARGETS=4 MODES MONITOR=100 NETWORK=foonet NICKLEN=32 PREFIX=(qaohv)~&@%+ STATUSMSG=~&@%+ TARGMAX=NAMES:1,LIST:1,KICK:1,WHOIS:1,USERHOST:10,PRIVMSG:4,TAGMSG:4,NOTICE:4,MONITOR:100 TOPICLEN=390 UTF8MAPPING=rfc8265 UTF8ONLY WHOX :are supported by this server @time=2021-10-16T04:53:38.791Z :irc.foonet.org 005 tester draft/CHATHISTORY=100 :are supported by this server @time=2021-10-16T04:53:38.791Z :irc.foonet.org 251 tester :There are 0 users and 3 invisible on 1 server(s) @time=2021-10-16T04:53:38.791Z :irc.foonet.org 252 tester 0 :IRC Operators online @time=2021-10-16T04:53:38.791Z :irc.foonet.org 253 tester 0 :unregistered connections @time=2021-10-16T04:53:38.791Z :irc.foonet.org 254 tester 1 :channels formed @time=2021-10-16T04:53:38.791Z :irc.foonet.org 255 tester :I have 3 clients and 0 servers @time=2021-10-16T04:53:38.791Z :irc.foonet.org 265 tester 3 3 :Current local users 3, max 3 @time=2021-10-16T04:53:38.791Z :irc.foonet.org 266 tester 3 3 :Current global users 3, max 3 @time=2021-10-16T04:53:38.791Z :irc.foonet.org 422 tester :MOTD File is missing @time=2021-10-16T04:53:38.791Z :irc.foonet.org 221 tester +i @time=2021-10-16T04:53:38.791Z :irc.foonet.org NOTICE tester :This server is in debug mode and is logging all user I/O. If you do not wish for everything you send to be readable by the server owner(s), please disconnect. [2021-10-15T21:55:08 localhost] @time=2021-10-16T04:55:08.792Z PING tester [2021-10-15T21:55:08 localhost] PONG :tester [2021-10-15T21:56:38 localhost] @time=2021-10-16T04:56:38.794Z PING tester [2021-10-15T21:56:38 localhost] PONG :tester --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=rcirc-inspircd.log Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable [2021-10-15T22:27:14 testnet.inspircd.org] SENTINEL: # "open " [2021-10-15T22:27:14 testnet.inspircd.org] CAP REQ :message-tags [2021-10-15T22:27:14 testnet.inspircd.org] CAP REQ :server-time [2021-10-15T22:27:14 testnet.inspircd.org] CAP REQ :batch [2021-10-15T22:27:14 testnet.inspircd.org] CAP REQ :message-ids [2021-10-15T22:27:14 testnet.inspircd.org] CAP REQ :invite-notify [2021-10-15T22:27:14 testnet.inspircd.org] CAP REQ :sasl [2021-10-15T22:27:14 testnet.inspircd.org] CAP REQ :multi-prefix [2021-10-15T22:27:14 testnet.inspircd.org] CAP REQ :standard-replies [2021-10-15T22:27:14 testnet.inspircd.org] NICK rcirc-tester [2021-10-15T22:27:14 testnet.inspircd.org] USER user 0 * :unknown [2021-10-15T22:27:14 testnet.inspircd.org] :testnet.inspircd.org NOTICE * := *** Raw I/O logging is enabled on this server. All messages, passwords, and= commands are being recorded. :testnet.inspircd.org NOTICE * :*** Looking up your ident... :testnet.inspircd.org NOTICE * :*** Looking up your hostname... :testnet.inspircd.org NOTICE * :*** Could not resolve your hostname: Domain= not found; using your IP address (localhost) instead. :testnet.inspircd.org CAP * ACK :message-tags [2021-10-15T22:27:14 testnet.inspircd.org] @time=3D2021-10-16T05:27:14.537Z= :testnet.inspircd.org CAP * ACK :server-time [2021-10-15T22:27:14 testnet.inspircd.org] @time=3D2021-10-16T05:27:14.537Z= :testnet.inspircd.org CAP * ACK :batch [2021-10-15T22:27:14 testnet.inspircd.org] @time=3D2021-10-16T05:27:14.537Z= :testnet.inspircd.org CAP * NAK :message-ids [2021-10-15T22:27:14 testnet.inspircd.org] @time=3D2021-10-16T05:27:14.537Z= :testnet.inspircd.org CAP * ACK :invite-notify [2021-10-15T22:27:14 testnet.inspircd.org] @time=3D2021-10-16T05:27:14.537Z= :testnet.inspircd.org CAP * ACK :sasl [2021-10-15T22:27:14 testnet.inspircd.org] @time=3D2021-10-16T05:27:14.538Z= :testnet.inspircd.org CAP * ACK :multi-prefix [2021-10-15T22:27:14 testnet.inspircd.org] @time=3D2021-10-16T05:27:14.538Z= :testnet.inspircd.org CAP * NAK :standard-replies [2021-10-15T22:27:14 testnet.inspircd.org] CAP END [2021-10-15T22:27:14 testnet.inspircd.org] @time=3D2021-10-16T05:27:14.538Z= PING :Ul~K~iamlM [2021-10-15T22:27:14 testnet.inspircd.org] PONG :Ul~K~iamlM [2021-10-15T22:27:15 testnet.inspircd.org] @time=3D2021-10-16T05:27:15.055Z= :testnet.inspircd.org NOTICE rcirc-tester :*** Could not find your ident, = using ~user instead. @time=3D2021-10-16T05:27:15.055Z :sadie.testnet.inspircd.org 001 rcirc-test= er :Welcome to the InspIRCd Testnet IRC Network rcirc-tester!~user@localhost @time=3D2021-10-16T05:27:15.055Z :sadie.testnet.inspircd.org 002 rcirc-test= er :Your host is testnet.inspircd.org, running version InspIRCd-3 @time=3D2021-10-16T05:27:15.055Z :sadie.testnet.inspircd.org 003 rcirc-test= er :This server was created 14:03:20 Oct 15 2021 @time=3D2021-10-16T05:27:15.055Z :sadie.testnet.inspircd.org 004 rcirc-test= er sadie.testnet.inspircd.org InspIRCd-3 BDHILNRSTWcdghikorswxz ABCDEFHIJKL= MNOPQRSTXYZabcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwz :BEFHIJLXYZabdefghjkloqvw @time=3D2021-10-16T05:27:15.055Z :sadie.testnet.inspircd.org 005 rcirc-test= er ACCEPT=3D30 AWAYLEN=3D200 BOT=3DB CALLERID=3Dg CASEMAPPING=3Dascii CHANL= IMIT=3D#:20 CHANMODES=3DIXYZbegw,k,BEFHJLdfjl,ACDKMNOPQRSTcimnprstuz CHANNE= LLEN=3D64 CHANTYPES=3D# ELIST=3DCMNTU ESILENCE=3DCcdiNnPpTtx EXCEPTS=3De :a= re supported by this server @time=3D2021-10-16T05:27:15.055Z :sadie.testnet.inspircd.org 005 rcirc-test= er EXTBAN=3D,ACGNOQRSTUacjmnprswz HOSTLEN=3D64 INVEX=3DI KEYLEN=3D32 KICKLE= N=3D255 LINELEN=3D512 MAXLIST=3DI:100,X:100,b:100,e:100,g:100,w:100 MAXTARG= ETS=3D20 MODES=3D20 MONITOR=3D30 NAMELEN=3D128 NAMESX NETWORK=3DInspIRCd\x2= 0Testnet :are supported by this server @time=3D2021-10-16T05:27:15.055Z :sadie.testnet.inspircd.org 005 rcirc-test= er NICKLEN=3D30 PREFIX=3D(qaohv)~&@%+ REMOVE SAFELIST SECURELIST=3D60 SILEN= CE=3D32 STATUSMSG=3D~&@%+ TOPICLEN=3D307 UHNAMES USERIP USERLEN=3D10 USERMO= DES=3D,,s,BDHILNRSTWcdghikorwxz WATCH=3D30 :are supported by this server @time=3D2021-10-16T05:27:15.055Z :sadie.testnet.inspircd.org 005 rcirc-test= er WHOX :are supported by this server @time=3D2021-10-16T05:27:15.055Z :sadie.testnet.inspircd.org 251 rcirc-test= er :There are 0 users and 8 invisible on 2 servers @time=3D2021-10-16T05:27:15.055Z :sadie.testnet.inspircd.org 252 rcirc-test= er 1 :operator(s) online @time=3D2021-10-16T05:27:15.055Z :sadie.testnet.inspircd.org 253 rcirc-test= er 1 :unknown connections [2021-10-15T22:27:15 testnet.inspircd.org] @time=3D2021-10-16T05:27:15.055Z= :sadie.testnet.inspircd.org 254 rcirc-tester 8 :channels formed @time=3D2021-10-16T05:27:15.055Z :sadie.testnet.inspircd.org 255 rcirc-test= er :I have 8 clients and 1 servers @time=3D2021-10-16T05:27:15.055Z :sadie.testnet.inspircd.org 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All messages, passwords, a= nd commands are being recorded. @time=3D2021-10-16T05:27:15.055Z :sadie.testnet.inspircd.org 396 rcirc-test= er localhost.IP :is now your displayed host @time=3D2021-10-16T05:27:15.055Z :rcirc-tester!~user@localhost.IP MODE rcir= c-tester :+iwx @time=3D2021-10-16T05:27:15.055Z :testnet.inspircd.org NOTICE rcirc-tester = :*** You are connected to testnet.inspircd.org using TLS (SSL) cipher 'TLS1= .3-ECDHE-RSA-AES-256-GCM-AEAD' [2021-10-15T22:27:20 testnet.inspircd.org] @time=3D2021-10-16T05:27:20.061Z= :rcirc-tester!~user@localhost.IP JOIN :#inspircd @time=3D2021-10-16T05:27:20.061Z :sadie.testnet.inspircd.org 332 rcirc-test= er #inspircd :Welcome to the InspIRCd test network. Please make sure you're= wearing adequate PPE to ensure your safety. @time=3D2021-10-16T05:27:20.061Z :sadie.testnet.inspircd.org 333 rcirc-test= er #inspircd Sadie :1633385189 @time=3D2021-10-16T05:27:20.061Z :sadie.testnet.inspircd.org 353 rcirc-test= er =3D #inspircd :jwheare rcirc-tester &@ChanServ Testah ilbelkyr ~@Sadie g= enius3000 @time=3D2021-10-16T05:27:20.061Z :sadie.testnet.inspircd.org 366 rcirc-test= er #inspircd :End of /NAMES list. --=-=-=-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Oct 22 21:59:25 2021 Received: (at 51342) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Oct 2021 01:59:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34045 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1me6Jg-0006Ma-QO for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 22 Oct 2021 21:59:25 -0400 Received: from mail-108-mta43.mxroute.com ([136.175.108.43]:46357) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1me6Je-0006MM-Ly for 51342@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 22 Oct 2021 21:59:24 -0400 Received: from filter004.mxroute.com ([149.28.56.236] filter004.mxroute.com) (Authenticated sender: mN4UYu2MZsgR) by mail-108-mta43.mxroute.com (ZoneMTA) with ESMTPSA id 17caadfa1f30000b55.001 for <51342@debbugs.gnu.org> (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256); Sat, 23 Oct 2021 01:59:15 +0000 X-Zone-Loop: 9b50e1b67a9111be1c96c28f3302dbc0664f34374962 X-Originating-IP: [149.28.56.236] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=neverwas.me ; s=x; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date:References: Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=l7EjfJPkdQSnlC/tgUPbotX0R9Nf/DPHI2LJFq0crY0=; b=TbzVCGnYNo+pt1NVDNSoiuJsHs tZRczpotkntR1ttbfTDtn9y/yJePSpZ8lFm3GOzteXrzVpdt6WRLjy97S7/z7AP6i0K/QdafpPydi 2kt9UN7YfVRqEyIYNlY7qt2HFwpZ4tF6xIAsvEfDy8lbRP0wzPIdCRNBTltf35B1y34xgwsTMbhai 8pqN5zqdG3JG5sxa5B0IwlqhWChPl6V9fecC7aSheVfL0MT3NWnfNhlJZdbTYZCjlv1swvIEXLrCS 1lxMst9fbeAypp08Zvq5aHE1FxJbso8P7oujMrFHyn2rp2PfBajMLfnBHVoeFxdOIi3jr0W8Bv6Fi mUqSqz7w==; From: "J.P." To: 51342@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#51342: 29.0.50; remove non-CAPs from rcirc capability list References: <87o87gzjpd.fsf@neverwas.me> Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2021 18:59:12 -0700 In-Reply-To: <87o87gzjpd.fsf@neverwas.me> (J. P.'s message of "Fri, 22 Oct 2021 17:08:30 -0700") Message-ID: <87k0i4y00f.fsf@neverwas.me> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.60 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-AuthUser: masked@neverwas.me X-Zone-Spam-Resolution: no action X-Zone-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1, required=15, tests=[ARC_NA=0, RCPT_COUNT_TWO=0, FROM_HAS_DN=0, TO_DN_SOME=0, MIME_GOOD=-0.1, FROM_EQ_ENVFROM=0, MIME_TRACE=0, RCVD_COUNT_ZERO=0, NEURAL_SPAM=0, MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM=0] X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 51342 Cc: Philip Kaludercic X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) "J.P." writes: > The couple that slipped by are always NAK'd but basically harmless Not to suggest that NAK'ing implies invalidation or even a denial of support (as in you oughtn't try again later) or really *anything* other than what caps weren't enabled. (I'm sure this is old news, but it took me a while to fully process, as usual.) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Oct 24 06:05:23 2021 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Oct 2021 10:05:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37969 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1meaNX-0007Lx-MH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 24 Oct 2021 06:05:23 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:38908) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1meaNT-0007Ln-9w for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 24 Oct 2021 06:05:22 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50014) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1meaNO-0008JC-1Y for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Oct 2021 06:05:16 -0400 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:38291) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1meaNJ-0000lZ-8j for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Oct 2021 06:05:13 -0400 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A360D240105 for ; Sun, 24 Oct 2021 12:05:05 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1635069905; bh=WqqlFQShTNcnsuzXZ8Yk+2zJD7xcal+OK8Rgm1W91dw=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Autocrypt:Date:From; b=NJU6syZ5AVFIaklNDZxXv8r/bM5p9Ql/PSGjEKrIARH7QMLVyjvl6sssU6lzK/I82 agcE9PfNtb17n2Ru8CeLkui7ApaWDWJTtQhh3jk0IMH5SRUrS8SiFmmBnjjL1SRfzY maz4C5XPBwFcYjE5QAb782z8UUoM1EGsaKzxEEst5Uw7ULpDfYuTyzi6kggEYTM1kr zXeT1NTB/eQZLh7k0MLqSvaGPttewNhBK1Uc5OKbCUWoidMbnPlHhmUUyR/fnBZmGn y1NCva3C42He16vfMJE4sXk4u4ozEzi4UCDcrKLGW+URqpxxJAS9d8jwU0MV6sedcr q5yGJw1FaaZOg== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4HcYc04j9rz9rxD; Sun, 24 Oct 2021 12:05:04 +0200 (CEST) From: Philip Kaludercic To: "J.P." Subject: Re: 29.0.50; remove non-CAPs from rcirc capability list References: <87o87gzjpd.fsf@neverwas.me> Autocrypt: addr=philipk@posteo.net; prefer-encrypt=nopreference; keydata= mDMEYHHqUhYJKwYBBAHaRw8BAQdAp3GdmYJ6tm5McweY6dEvIYIiry+Oz9rU4MH6NHWK0Ee0QlBo aWxpcCBLYWx1ZGVyY2ljIChnZW5lcmF0ZWQgYnkgYXV0b2NyeXB0LmVsKSA8cGhpbGlwa0Bwb3N0 ZW8ubmV0PoiQBBMWCAA4FiEEDM2H44ZoPt9Ms0eHtVrAHPRh1FwFAmBx6lICGwMFCwkIBwIGFQoJ CAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQtVrAHPRh1FyTkgEAjlbGPxFchvMbxzAES3r8QLuZgCxeAXunM9gh io0ePtUBALVhh9G6wIoZhl0gUCbQpoN/UJHI08Gm1qDob5zDxnIHuDgEYHHqUhIKKwYBBAGXVQEF AQEHQNcRB+MUimTMqoxxMMUERpOR+Q4b1KgncDZkhrO2ql1tAwEIB4h4BBgWCAAgFiEEDM2H44Zo Pt9Ms0eHtVrAHPRh1FwFAmBx6lICGwwACgkQtVrAHPRh1Fw1JwD/Qo7kvtib8jy7puyWrSv0MeTS g8qIxgoRWJE/KKdkCLEA/jb9b9/g8nnX+UcwHf/4VfKsjExlnND3FrBviXUW6Nc Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2021 10:05:03 +0000 Message-ID: <878ryiwxf4.fsf@posteo.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=philipk@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) "J.P." writes: > Severity: minor > > Hi Philip, > > Nice job on the v3 stuff. I happened across a couple capabilities being > requested that don't officially exist, a distinction you've probably > picked up on in the course of pursuing this work [1]. The couple that > slipped by are always NAK'd but basically harmless, so you may just want > to leave 'em or otherwise go your own way. If so, please ignore this. I have to be honest, I was not familiar with this distinction. As you say, I assuming that anything that wasn't implemented by a server would be NAK'd. What confuses me is how standard-replies doesn't have to be requested. message-ids is clear, because they rely on message-tags and if a that is provided, sending message IDs even if they were not requested wouldn't pose any issues. The thing is that standard-replies introduces new types, that the client must be able to parse. Just sending them to any non IRCv3-capable client would presumable confuse it. From reading the spec, I don't immediately see that it says the capability should be requested. Could you explain this? -- Philip Kaludercic From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Oct 24 10:03:54 2021 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Oct 2021 14:03:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40443 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mee6L-0008Hc-MN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 24 Oct 2021 10:03:53 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:52826) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mee6J-0008HU-MY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 24 Oct 2021 10:03:52 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:54962) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mee6J-0001yS-H6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Oct 2021 10:03:51 -0400 Received: from mail-108-mta12.mxroute.com ([136.175.108.12]:39393) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mee6G-0004p2-Ij for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 24 Oct 2021 10:03:51 -0400 Received: from filter004.mxroute.com ([149.28.56.236] filter004.mxroute.com) (Authenticated sender: mN4UYu2MZsgR) by mail-108-mta12.mxroute.com (ZoneMTA) with ESMTPSA id 17cb29d40d60000b55.001 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256); Sun, 24 Oct 2021 14:03:42 +0000 X-Zone-Loop: 31b61d72e86a26dc12a2bba2f4cf13dadca972ca70e0 X-Originating-IP: [149.28.56.236] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=neverwas.me ; s=x; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date:References: Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=zik+Ri6jPkuaoXWZRsk9Q/Fk22PlDpCUSNpTuU7um74=; b=VabFP91b7KAE35LUThxXa7tAbg kDOGpTNSmkb16EHGtnmDuGVe2cbZeZCeHoxg+1cvikiQTOZZ1VbRfgvptpF0aNbzIhBxsjCM1OOFo jeX8RXcGKHGEM03+QpKoR/+iaW0F86oUW3jzBdJl7kl3XgzwQXWi+/cXKws/gePILcCETsvGuQzdW jod3HQSEieSrrGINTJdxNsjLlsr6hx4gI+BvKPxBpI7GL/M4jGMyXg7gAC00WKsJiwy3/uxFjla/K 4bQwDrLtZiaaaqLL5HMiIVKdDQeSgRlVHqTd1oA5n7ETV8rzFETTwzCI+k3SBb5UZ2Nmt03gXknsP y9N1TQ1w==; From: "J.P." To: Philip Kaludercic Subject: Re: 29.0.50; remove non-CAPs from rcirc capability list References: <87o87gzjpd.fsf@neverwas.me> <878ryiwxf4.fsf@posteo.net> Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2021 07:03:38 -0700 In-Reply-To: <878ryiwxf4.fsf@posteo.net> (Philip Kaludercic's message of "Sun, 24 Oct 2021 10:05:03 +0000") Message-ID: <87r1caseo5.fsf@neverwas.me> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.60 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-AuthUser: masked@neverwas.me X-Zone-Spam-Resolution: no action X-Zone-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1, required=15, tests=[ARC_NA=0, RCPT_COUNT_TWO=0, FROM_HAS_DN=0, TO_DN_SOME=0, MIME_GOOD=-0.1, FROM_EQ_ENVFROM=0, MIME_TRACE=0, RCVD_COUNT_ZERO=0, NEURAL_SPAM=0, MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM=0] Received-SPF: pass client-ip=136.175.108.12; envelope-from=jp@neverwas.me; helo=mail-108-mta12.mxroute.com X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_INVALID=0.1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) Philip Kaludercic writes: > What confuses me is how standard-replies doesn't have to be requested. > message-ids is clear, because they rely on message-tags and if a that is > provided, sending message IDs even if they were not requested wouldn't > pose any issues. The thing is that standard-replies introduces new > types, that the client must be able to parse. Just sending them to any > non IRCv3-capable client would presumable confuse it. From reading the > spec, I don't immediately see that it says the capability should be > requested. Could you explain this? Standard replies are quite mysterious. From what I can gather: - Future extensions are to favor this form of reply whenever possible. - These *aren't* for recasting existing replies. So there's no need to explicitly request them because support is implied when asking for an extension that uses them, much like with message IDs. However, I *have* noticed at least one progressive IRCd sending standard replies not defined in any spec [1]. I can only guess they assume clients not privy to the new syntax are resilient enough to take these in stride [2]. And while being privy does buy a client more useful info for presenting to the user, it's still the particulars, like the specific reply code and the shape/meaning of the "context params", that allow it to respond decisively to a given situation (IMO). Thanks. [1] https://github.com/ircv3/ircv3-specifications/pull/276 [2] As in recognize these messages as at least adhering to the standard IRC format and therefore capable of withstanding whatever treatment is normally reserved for extracting the most degenerate understanding (like simply printing the message to the server buffer as a quasi error), in much the same way Libera likely doesn't worry much about its nonstandard numerics 479 and 435(?) causing much of a stir. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Oct 25 23:50:46 2021 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Oct 2021 03:50:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44761 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mfDU2-0004Zv-Ua for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 25 Oct 2021 23:50:46 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:39396) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mfDU1-0004Zn-8q for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 25 Oct 2021 23:50:41 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:55496) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mfDTz-00066n-QX for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Oct 2021 23:50:40 -0400 Received: from mail-108-mta52.mxroute.com ([136.175.108.52]:38041) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mfDTx-0006cR-E1 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 25 Oct 2021 23:50:39 -0400 Received: from filter004.mxroute.com ([149.28.56.236] filter004.mxroute.com) (Authenticated sender: mN4UYu2MZsgR) by mail-108-mta52.mxroute.com (ZoneMTA) with ESMTPSA id 17cbab8982b0000b55.001 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256); Tue, 26 Oct 2021 03:50:32 +0000 X-Zone-Loop: 1ac32f3851cefd0d4be21ab79fab4b81f2e7595bcbd7 X-Originating-IP: [149.28.56.236] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=neverwas.me ; s=x; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date:References: Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=U+Tt8T4W+pHdjGCjg+djQHNtj/VunNAJq4T4TyZGahk=; b=bmY68jEFgFBOHabsQFhEGlUZ6o 8DsVDW96h8BtY+/FlV347AmYpa6VLdgj7RthCff1erg3CoiO2Ehud11FyvDjEuKxggM/n/s7Egeff wT2oC6u79It9xtPj2/J68BUZTEhGdNH+CbcZb0ii4jASzmiQp5hKcGNgTV+oq45mnCN3iChKfeQVO VKhptT86a+N0qE3LHlXH8HtcfAm3+QbCcw4A6B4AsG1+Q4nl1TC8Kc3RfA7EXlHLcaDFHMcGMljF+ Da7UZpdURof3kTgiD2gNZPxzDKuSJ7dlC8S+ZY7r/f8Ah+nM3wvJ5PAqQkEjJu9TDRi5PWyyDqwLo XG6yD5mQ==; From: "J.P." To: Philip Kaludercic Subject: Re: 29.0.50; remove non-CAPs from rcirc capability list References: <87o87gzjpd.fsf@neverwas.me> <878ryiwxf4.fsf@posteo.net> <87r1caseo5.fsf@neverwas.me> Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2021 20:50:29 -0700 In-Reply-To: <87r1caseo5.fsf@neverwas.me> (J. P.'s message of "Sun, 24 Oct 2021 07:03:38 -0700") Message-ID: <87y26ge96i.fsf@neverwas.me> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.60 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-AuthUser: masked@neverwas.me X-Zone-Spam-Resolution: no action X-Zone-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1, required=15, tests=[ARC_NA=0, URIBL_BLOCKED=0, FROM_HAS_DN=0, TO_DN_SOME=0, MIME_GOOD=-0.1, NEURAL_SPAM=0, RCPT_COUNT_TWO=0, RCVD_COUNT_ZERO=0, FROM_EQ_ENVFROM=0, MIME_TRACE=0, MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM=0] Received-SPF: pass client-ip=136.175.108.52; envelope-from=jp@neverwas.me; helo=mail-108-mta52.mxroute.com X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_INVALID=0.1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) "J.P." writes: > However, I *have* noticed at least one progressive IRCd sending > standard replies not defined in any spec [1]. > > [...] > > [1] https://github.com/ircv3/ircv3-specifications/pull/276 That link is bogus/unrelated (sorry). It's actually a :irc.org FAIL NICK NICKNAME_RESERVED tester :Nickname is reserved ... that I encountered, but it's not documented anywhere (that I could find). It's sent by Ergo 2.6.1 whether or not you request any caps. NICKNAME_RESERVED was ostensibly created to prevent confusion with the traditional 433/ERR_NICKNAMEINUSE, which accompanies it in the same burst. Whether it's safe to expect such redundancy across the board when nothing dependent has been negotiated is anyone's guess, but the existence of the vendor cap inspircd.org/standard-replies [1] perhaps tips things in favor of the yeas. This cap gives permission for a server to send undeclared replies in standard-replies form, possibly in lieu of traditional ones, like 433. > I can only guess they assume clients not privy to the new syntax are > resilient enough to take these in stride [2]. Yeah, "new syntax" is just confusing. What I meant was rather than extending the IRC message format, a standard-replies declaration merely specifies a concrete reply within the constraints of the broader protocol, meaning [@tags] [:src] cmd p0 p1 p2 ... pn-1 :pn [@tags] [:src] [ ... ] : from the spec is just a way of getting us ready for specific interface descriptions, like those for setname [2]. So when folks talk about safely degrading in this context [3], they mean devolving to a catch-all handler (usually NOTICE) for all unrecognized/unhandled replies. Thanks. [1] https://docs.inspircd.org/3/modules/cap/ [2] https://ircv3.net/specs/extensions/setname#errors [3] https://github.com/inspircd/inspircd/issues/1809 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Nov 14 13:11:11 2021 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Nov 2021 18:11:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51607 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mmJyB-0001B2-B7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 14 Nov 2021 13:11:11 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:60842) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mmJy9-0001Au-84 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 14 Nov 2021 13:11:09 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:53922) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mmJy9-0004j7-0H for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Nov 2021 13:11:09 -0500 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:54019) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mmJy3-00065W-Mo for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Nov 2021 13:11:07 -0500 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 34EC924010A for ; Sun, 14 Nov 2021 19:11:00 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1636913460; bh=V//wy29k4UC8IcZJmi+4MIMoDFyc/RYlWws/hcBX02M=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Autocrypt:Date:From; b=HtEPopJ3ScMmRVxHgUVrALYdn95haagIkDT5LKhA0LWz/Hb+BXLhvSDPcOaI6LRS5 lYA/1ZPktoaAxeoziP20BP6UQ8lOCibhSQbHEomPNq3yHeCjvl9hHiNjRhz3XwSv8J hpfBDyGiUw9SumH4VBrarpFeKoh/8MFn0tTN4U/u052X4PnSGEF/t09cVsegsg3173 UrjCwtuDpNh86MExqHxi19lfRZdWWN0E0cO4T2qESl7KWBHjLejq0nyQzBWx+bSDRy oUi6EdPSbDqXVd73YryAMmaSiBDhwY6YrvCJoFSQj9wIhsq9/6Y1Ok5L2mTvElKwSM QxRb1/cZ8J2Hg== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4HsgNz1HBlz9rxF; Sun, 14 Nov 2021 19:10:59 +0100 (CET) From: Philip Kaludercic To: "J.P." Subject: Re: 29.0.50; remove non-CAPs from rcirc capability list References: <87o87gzjpd.fsf@neverwas.me> <878ryiwxf4.fsf@posteo.net> <87r1caseo5.fsf@neverwas.me> Autocrypt: addr=philipk@posteo.net; prefer-encrypt=nopreference; keydata= mDMEYHHqUhYJKwYBBAHaRw8BAQdAp3GdmYJ6tm5McweY6dEvIYIiry+Oz9rU4MH6NHWK0Ee0QlBo aWxpcCBLYWx1ZGVyY2ljIChnZW5lcmF0ZWQgYnkgYXV0b2NyeXB0LmVsKSA8cGhpbGlwa0Bwb3N0 ZW8ubmV0PoiQBBMWCAA4FiEEDM2H44ZoPt9Ms0eHtVrAHPRh1FwFAmBx6lICGwMFCwkIBwIGFQoJ CAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQtVrAHPRh1FyTkgEAjlbGPxFchvMbxzAES3r8QLuZgCxeAXunM9gh io0ePtUBALVhh9G6wIoZhl0gUCbQpoN/UJHI08Gm1qDob5zDxnIHuDgEYHHqUhIKKwYBBAGXVQEF AQEHQNcRB+MUimTMqoxxMMUERpOR+Q4b1KgncDZkhrO2ql1tAwEIB4h4BBgWCAAgFiEEDM2H44Zo Pt9Ms0eHtVrAHPRh1FwFAmBx6lICGwwACgkQtVrAHPRh1Fw1JwD/Qo7kvtib8jy7puyWrSv0MeTS g8qIxgoRWJE/KKdkCLEA/jb9b9/g8nnX+UcwHf/4VfKsjExlnND3FrBviXUW6NcB Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 18:10:58 +0000 In-Reply-To: <87r1caseo5.fsf@neverwas.me> (J. P.'s message of "Sun, 24 Oct 2021 07:03:38 -0700") Message-ID: <87fsryehfx.fsf@posteo.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=philipk@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) (Sorry that it took me a while to respond) "J.P." writes: > Philip Kaludercic writes: > >> What confuses me is how standard-replies doesn't have to be requested. >> message-ids is clear, because they rely on message-tags and if a that is >> provided, sending message IDs even if they were not requested wouldn't >> pose any issues. The thing is that standard-replies introduces new >> types, that the client must be able to parse. Just sending them to any >> non IRCv3-capable client would presumable confuse it. From reading the >> spec, I don't immediately see that it says the capability should be >> requested. Could you explain this? > > Standard replies are quite mysterious. From what I can gather: > > - Future extensions are to favor this form of reply whenever possible. > - These *aren't* for recasting existing replies. > > So there's no need to explicitly request them because support is implied > when asking for an extension that uses them, much like with message IDs. I understand the issue, but am still hesitant. If this is vague, then it seems better to err on the side of safety and request a message even if the request constitutes a noop. Or are there any real downsides to being more explicit? -- Philip Kaludercic From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Nov 14 18:07:24 2021 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Nov 2021 23:07:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51982 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mmOap-00054I-Sj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 14 Nov 2021 18:07:24 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:36342) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mmOao-00054A-2g for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 14 Nov 2021 18:07:22 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:50368) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mmOan-0006f8-VG for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Nov 2021 18:07:21 -0500 Received: from mail-108-mta190.mxroute.com ([136.175.108.190]:41813) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mmOal-0000jH-Ro for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 14 Nov 2021 18:07:21 -0500 Received: from filter004.mxroute.com ([149.28.56.236] filter004.mxroute.com) (Authenticated sender: mN4UYu2MZsgR) by mail-108-mta190.mxroute.com (ZoneMTA) with ESMTPSA id 17d20b4737f000177f.001 for (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256); Sun, 14 Nov 2021 23:07:16 +0000 X-Zone-Loop: cfaaa002300a91b249880cc7699384ade3ec3ad2788c X-Originating-IP: [149.28.56.236] DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=neverwas.me ; s=x; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date:References: Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=f8yRl2dn4Pw/71XoaDVQZECRpVgr/nF/L9lqcV8WWvg=; b=Q0ayYGP6V8l7fD2D9WXV0qOp/W kOLPRCYKpsNN/SgmkVwh6FzhOg7E3kH3B7BkoIlumTaqM2t+2XTpihmCQrpMtDUVTZ2VcpuNI3y+e 5qveKvDCZPca4RBttZBEN4bIY4uB+38TJfQWIUKjNjUc2tgiQWGcXkvXMQlVnhfFArsX319FyiBjA 2ZtJqEu32vicNYPhLuxj/6dxjVhaTF3q6ug0/7jWRRiIQRlYvXX4Xdx6EdbUwhriwLnR86kYxJ0Ml OGpmW0PMPNik1R8QBgIUxxlkkq8a7DeeD1Bu45wypvFK1gTvmGXqRRhutE+An8dUpQHxbBQITtW5G bMoy/XzQ==; From: "J.P." To: Philip Kaludercic Subject: Re: 29.0.50; remove non-CAPs from rcirc capability list References: <87o87gzjpd.fsf@neverwas.me> <878ryiwxf4.fsf@posteo.net> <87r1caseo5.fsf@neverwas.me> <87fsryehfx.fsf@posteo.net> Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 15:07:14 -0800 In-Reply-To: <87fsryehfx.fsf@posteo.net> (Philip Kaludercic's message of "Sun, 14 Nov 2021 18:10:58 +0000") Message-ID: <877ddaxrod.fsf@neverwas.me> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.60 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-AuthUser: masked@neverwas.me X-Zone-Spam-Resolution: no action X-Zone-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1, required=15, tests=[ARC_NA=0, RCPT_COUNT_TWO=0, FROM_HAS_DN=0, TO_DN_SOME=0, MIME_GOOD=-0.1, FROM_EQ_ENVFROM=0, MIME_TRACE=0, RCVD_COUNT_ZERO=0, NEURAL_SPAM=0, MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM=0] Received-SPF: pass client-ip=136.175.108.190; envelope-from=jp@neverwas.me; helo=mail-108-mta190.mxroute.com X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_INVALID=0.1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) Philip Kaludercic writes: >> Standard replies are quite mysterious. From what I can gather: > > [...] > > I understand the issue, but am still hesitant. If this is vague, then > it seems better to err on the side of safety What's mysterious and vague isn't the existence of a capability called standard-replies. No such capability currently exists. As mentioned in my last reply (not sure if you saw that one), the closest thing is inspircd.org/standard-replies. Hope that makes sense. > Or are there any real downsides to being more explicit? No downsides at present because you request one cap per line. And you have no interdependent caps as yet. So long as both remain true, there's nothing to worry about. And rcirc doesn't make you accrue flood debt, so early messages (even spurious ones) don't cost extra. In ERC's case, we *do* have to worry because we implement 302 and have multiple dependencies. If any one gets NAK'd, there goes the ball game. There's also some undefined behavior [1] that can turn connection registration into a bit of a limbo without additional planning (should you ever decide to go that route). Thanks. [1] https://github.com/ircv3/ircv3-specifications/pull/400#issuecomment-579063998 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Nov 17 15:22:28 2021 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Nov 2021 20:22:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33997 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mnRRs-0005IR-H8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2021 15:22:28 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:44180) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mnRRq-0005IJ-1D for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2021 15:22:27 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:57038) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mnRRm-000162-Cj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2021 15:22:24 -0500 Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]:50811) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mnRRj-00059G-CW for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Nov 2021 15:22:22 -0500 Received: from submission (posteo.de [89.146.220.130]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 54819240026 for ; Wed, 17 Nov 2021 21:22:16 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1637180536; bh=rRgOPHOZJUn9zsqOjOXyBOxEnTGREAX7OV5/7DpO7ao=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Autocrypt:Date:From; b=mzbbCXKn8WE9hLBo5klKtKjLMBlBKp1LAjQjZaPhNcDlDk7aYEDk8XYo0Nl+8UP+u xW6qSmkhCO/C4ahO9TOT9WgftkrdjosxS0WLBA/jQ5wT2B/SJ3rARWX/xoJrqB+aDx /UohDlx/PQysgrxbFF8z9xTs1aZ+IVsAvzilotODukOh8mYmhHvKfkVBiopxJ9PGCY 7vmoFZ3kBbZarfee+Mx3rjacR+4jMHczAI+SPa98cbnZKvSnijMOYH6RLHtZqNybRu CppG6WILZ+PY02EdZNd0eMZvVs+T7yRCBseqvxPn3DZZBcBnO+WeurQqAGkozrRZj5 VJwVRhJIoaPGw== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4HvZ935dgtz9rwg; Wed, 17 Nov 2021 21:22:15 +0100 (CET) From: Philip Kaludercic To: "J.P." Subject: Re: 29.0.50; remove non-CAPs from rcirc capability list References: <87o87gzjpd.fsf@neverwas.me> <878ryiwxf4.fsf@posteo.net> <87r1caseo5.fsf@neverwas.me> <87fsryehfx.fsf@posteo.net> <877ddaxrod.fsf@neverwas.me> Autocrypt: addr=philipk@posteo.net; prefer-encrypt=nopreference; keydata= mDMEYHHqUhYJKwYBBAHaRw8BAQdAp3GdmYJ6tm5McweY6dEvIYIiry+Oz9rU4MH6NHWK0Ee0QlBo aWxpcCBLYWx1ZGVyY2ljIChnZW5lcmF0ZWQgYnkgYXV0b2NyeXB0LmVsKSA8cGhpbGlwa0Bwb3N0 ZW8ubmV0PoiQBBMWCAA4FiEEDM2H44ZoPt9Ms0eHtVrAHPRh1FwFAmBx6lICGwMFCwkIBwIGFQoJ CAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQtVrAHPRh1FyTkgEAjlbGPxFchvMbxzAES3r8QLuZgCxeAXunM9gh io0ePtUBALVhh9G6wIoZhl0gUCbQpoN/UJHI08Gm1qDob5zDxnIHuDgEYHHqUhIKKwYBBAGXVQEF AQEHQNcRB+MUimTMqoxxMMUERpOR+Q4b1KgncDZkhrO2ql1tAwEIB4h4BBgWCAAgFiEEDM2H44Zo Pt9Ms0eHtVrAHPRh1FwFAmBx6lICGwwACgkQtVrAHPRh1Fw1JwD/Qo7kvtib8jy7puyWrSv0MeTS g8qIxgoRWJE/KKdkCLEA/jb9b9/g8nnX+UcwHf/4VfKsjExlnND3FrBviXUW6NcB Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2021 20:22:14 +0000 In-Reply-To: <877ddaxrod.fsf@neverwas.me> (J. P.'s message of "Sun, 14 Nov 2021 15:07:14 -0800") Message-ID: <87wnl6leh5.fsf@posteo.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.65; envelope-from=philipk@posteo.net; helo=mout01.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) "J.P." writes: > Philip Kaludercic writes: > >>> Standard replies are quite mysterious. From what I can gather: >> >> [...] >> >> I understand the issue, but am still hesitant. If this is vague, then >> it seems better to err on the side of safety > > What's mysterious and vague isn't the existence of a capability called > standard-replies. No such capability currently exists. As mentioned in > my last reply (not sure if you saw that one), the closest thing is > inspircd.org/standard-replies. Hope that makes sense. > >> Or are there any real downsides to being more explicit? > > No downsides at present because you request one cap per line. And you > have no interdependent caps as yet. So long as both remain true, there's > nothing to worry about. And rcirc doesn't make you accrue flood debt, > so early messages (even spurious ones) don't cost extra. Ok, then I think we should leave it the way it is for now. > In ERC's case, we *do* have to worry because we implement 302 and have > multiple dependencies. If any one gets NAK'd, there goes the ball game. > There's also some undefined behavior [1] that can turn connection > registration into a bit of a limbo without additional planning (should > you ever decide to go that route). Thanks. I think you should report this as a separate bug report. > [1] https://github.com/ircv3/ircv3-specifications/pull/400#issuecomment-579063998 > -- Philip Kaludercic From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Sep 13 10:49:46 2022 Received: (at 51342) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Sep 2022 14:49:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52401 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oY7EQ-0007DZ-Aw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 13 Sep 2022 10:49:46 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:38000) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oY7EO-0007DI-EC for 51342@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 13 Sep 2022 10:49:44 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=qddXkn5WL06R9AY4I+83Nlv55ET5GFhWw2f79sTDP7I=; b=bEZvF5/4iJyv3EMZ+pp05OfaLl fXrkwVoBH/+hW/4WEsRWqddCmRTLhvqG7BMNMg5WsbWopmd2L18FlmHW0o5e0VeL8iyqSEjrya2Y8 Y/WoQE/xp1RG8IdDZ0rngvOjXYOcos3y67BTR38FbtNaNNMd86UgCBqMDsGoroj/u6qY=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=joga) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oY7EF-0004YK-Ki; Tue, 13 Sep 2022 16:49:37 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: "J.P." Subject: Re: bug#51342: 29.0.50; remove non-CAPs from rcirc capability list In-Reply-To: <87o87gzjpd.fsf@neverwas.me> (J. P.'s message of "Fri, 22 Oct 2021 17:08:30 -0700") References: <87o87gzjpd.fsf@neverwas.me> X-Now-Playing: Tuff City Kids's _#savefabric (10) (Mixed by Terry Francis)_: "Edlost" Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2022 16:49:35 +0200 Message-ID: <877d27z5vk.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: "J.P." writes: > Nice job on the v3 stuff. I happened across a couple capabilities being > requested that don't officially exist, a distinction you've probably > picked up on in the course of pursuing this work [1]. [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 51342 Cc: 51342@debbugs.gnu.org, Philip Kaludercic X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) "J.P." writes: > Nice job on the v3 stuff. I happened across a couple capabilities being > requested that don't officially exist, a distinction you've probably > picked up on in the course of pursuing this work [1]. The couple that > slipped by are always NAK'd but basically harmless, so you may just want > to leave 'em or otherwise go your own way. If so, please ignore this. Skimming this thread, I'm not quite sure what the conclusion is. Should we leave things as they are here? 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To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#51342: 29.0.50; remove non-CAPs from rcirc capability list References: <87o87gzjpd.fsf@neverwas.me> <877d27z5vk.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2022 11:30:00 -0700 In-Reply-To: <877d27z5vk.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Tue, 13 Sep 2022 16:49:35 +0200") Message-ID: <871qsfyvo7.fsf@neverwas.me> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Authenticated-Id: masked@neverwas.me X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 51342-done Cc: 51342-done@debbugs.gnu.org, Philip Kaludercic X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > "J.P." writes: > >> Nice job on the v3 stuff. I happened across a couple capabilities being >> requested that don't officially exist, a distinction you've probably >> picked up on in the course of pursuing this work [1]. The couple that >> slipped by are always NAK'd but basically harmless, so you may just want >> to leave 'em or otherwise go your own way. If so, please ignore this. > > Skimming this thread, I'm not quite sure what the conclusion is. Should > we leave things as they are here? Sounds good, closing. (There's no actual protocol violation here, just some unneeded messages.) From unknown Mon Jun 23 07:51:52 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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To: 51342@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#51342: 29.0.50; remove non-CAPs from rcirc capability list In-Reply-To: <877d15yxun.fsf@neverwas.me> (J. P.'s message of "Wed, 12 Oct 2022 06:29:04 -0700") References: <87o87gzjpd.fsf@neverwas.me> <877d15yxun.fsf@neverwas.me> Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2022 06:36:04 -0700 Message-ID: <87y1tlxiyj.fsf@neverwas.me> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Authenticated-Id: masked@neverwas.me X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 51342 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Just a note for posterity. Looks like `standard-replies' is now being formally proposed as a capability: https://github.com/ircv3/ircv3-specifications/pull/506 From unknown Mon Jun 23 07:51:52 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2022 12:24:08 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator