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[108.26.204.101]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c5sm4067349qkm.10.2021.10.16.09.49.29 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 16 Oct 2021 09:49:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Howard Melman Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.120.0.1.13\)) Subject: 27.2; Binding find-library commands Message-Id: Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 12:49:28 -0400 To: GNU Emacs X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.120.0.1.13) Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::72b; envelope-from=hmelman@gmail.com; helo=mail-qk1-x72b.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) I see that the other-window and other-frame versions of find-library were added in Emacs 26 but none of them were bound to keys as discussed in Emacs bug#26712. And if I'm looking at the correct source tree, still aren't bound in Emacs 28. It seemed like there was concensus on replacing the bindings of the find-function commands with new find-function-or-library versions but the included patches were never applied and the bug archived. There was also discussion in bug#2270 that also didn't seem to come to resolution. I (bind and) use find-library all the time, typically to view the source of a 3rd party package I've installed via elpa (since entering the package name is easier than a function name). Is there a better way to do this? If not, could these commands be bound (possibly in Emacs 28)? -- Howard From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Oct 16 14:28:57 2021 Received: (at 51240) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Oct 2021 18:28:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43038 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mboQT-0004Y3-5H for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Oct 2021 14:28:57 -0400 Received: from mx0b-00069f02.pphosted.com ([205.220.177.32]:31508) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mboQQ-0004Xu-Lr for 51240@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Oct 2021 14:28:56 -0400 Received: from pps.filterd (m0246630.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by mx0b-00069f02.pphosted.com (8.16.1.2/8.16.1.2) with SMTP id 19GGVRlk013367; Sat, 16 Oct 2021 18:28:54 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=from : to : subject : date : message-id : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding : mime-version; s=corp-2021-07-09; 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And if I'm > looking at the correct source tree, still aren't bound in > Emacs 28. It seemed like there was concensus on replacing > the bindings of the find-function commands with new > find-function-or-library versions but the included patches > were never applied and the bug archived. >=20 > There was also discussion in bug#2270 that also didn't seem > to come to resolution. >=20 > I (bind and) use find-library all the time, typically to > view the source of a 3rd party package I've installed via > elpa (since entering the package name is easier than a > function name). Is there a better way to do this? If not, > could these commands be bound (possibly in Emacs 28)? +1. [But isn't this essentially bug #26712? and 2270? (which was closed as Done, but with no key binding)] IMO, we should bind `find-library-other-window' to `C-x 4 l' and `find-library-other-frame' to `C-x 5 l'. ___ [And this is from someone who doesn't Emacs to waste key bindings. These bindings just make sense. I almost never use `find-library'. I use `C-x 4 l' (which, because I use non-nil `pop-up-frames', opens in another frame).] ___ Maybe this will happen in another decade or two?... I proposed this in 2007 (as soon as `find-library' was added, if I'm not mistaken). From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Oct 16 14:58:56 2021 Received: (at 51240) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Oct 2021 18:58:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43067 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mbotU-0005Ig-Jz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Oct 2021 14:58:56 -0400 Received: from relay7-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.200]:50033) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mbotS-0005IT-Ss for 51240@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Oct 2021 14:58:56 -0400 Received: (Authenticated sender: juri@linkov.net) by relay7-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 289D920003; Sat, 16 Oct 2021 18:58:46 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#51240: [External] : bug#51240: 27.2; Binding find-library commands Organization: LINKOV.NET References: Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 21:57:30 +0300 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Sat, 16 Oct 2021 18:28:43 +0000") Message-ID: <878ryser1h.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 51240 Cc: "51240@debbugs.gnu.org" <51240@debbugs.gnu.org>, Howard Melman X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > IMO, we should bind `find-library-other-window' to > `C-x 4 l' and `find-library-other-frame' to `C-x 5 l'. Since other Emacs-Lisp specific keys are on the `C-h' key prefix like `C-h f' and `C-h S', a key to find an Emacs-Lisp library could find a place in the same `C-h' key prefix. But I don't understand why it needs a new key - it already works fine with 'C-x 4 f' and 'C-x 5 f' when point is on the library name, then typing 'M-n' will get the library file. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: oracle.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: SJ0PR10MB5488.namprd10.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: a07c1497-db13-428e-f08f-08d990dbe2bc X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 16 Oct 2021 19:33:52.5030 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 4e2c6054-71cb-48f1-bd6c-3a9705aca71b X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: yD0Lmvd/hOQuPZX8NjvVMdF8P3UaLOF0B+yfNpVrsFUeFztHXfRfbrf5PIYIA37SvdC35TWJUvT7enqH/39b7Q== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BYAPR10MB2647 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6300 definitions=10139 signatures=668683 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 mlxlogscore=894 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 bulkscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2109230001 definitions=main-2110160132 X-Proofpoint-ORIG-GUID: RtRsNPIsBmOXBmLN4sXT1Jd_WIhhtIcX X-Proofpoint-GUID: RtRsNPIsBmOXBmLN4sXT1Jd_WIhhtIcX X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 51240 Cc: "51240@debbugs.gnu.org" <51240@debbugs.gnu.org>, Howard Melman X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) > > IMO, we should bind `find-library-other-window' to > > `C-x 4 l' and `find-library-other-frame' to `C-x 5 l'. >=20 > Since other Emacs-Lisp specific keys are on the `C-h' key prefix > like `C-h f' and `C-h S', a key to find an Emacs-Lisp library > could find a place in the same `C-h' key prefix. It's not about finding help information. It's about finding a library - a file. Do you also propose to move the find-file commands to the `C-h' prefix, because the command name is "find"? Moving `C-x 4 f' to `C-h '? > But I don't understand why it needs a new key - it already > works fine with 'C-x 4 f' and 'C-x 5 f' when point is on > the library name, then typing 'M-n' will get the library file. It's not about the cursor being on the library name. It's about getting the library file wherever you are, in whatever buffer, directory, etc. What's the big deal? IIRC, in the last month alone you've proposed (and grabbed) a _bunch_ of new default keys, no? These find-library keys just make sense, IMO. 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[108.26.204.101]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t199sm4506816qke.121.2021.10.16.18.16.32 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 16 Oct 2021 18:16:32 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.120.0.1.13\)) Subject: Re: bug#51240: [External] : bug#51240: 27.2; Binding find-library commands From: Howard Melman In-Reply-To: <878ryser1h.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 21:16:32 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1512A8BF-E11B-4E31-8064-EC4E40D90BFB@gmail.com> References: <878ryser1h.fsf@mail.linkov.net> To: Juri Linkov X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.120.0.1.13) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 51240 Cc: "51240@debbugs.gnu.org" <51240@debbugs.gnu.org>, Drew Adams X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Oct 16, 2021, at 2:57 PM, Juri Linkov wrote: > >> IMO, we should bind `find-library-other-window' to >> `C-x 4 l' and `find-library-other-frame' to `C-x 5 l'. > > Since other Emacs-Lisp specific keys are on the `C-h' key prefix > like `C-h f' and `C-h S', a key to find an Emacs-Lisp library > could find a place in the same `C-h' key prefix. The other commands related to find-library are setup via find-function-setup-keys. The equivalents of find-library are on C-x F, C-x K and C-x V and then on the C-x 4 and C-x 5 locations too. > But I don't understand why it needs a new key - it already > works fine with 'C-x 4 f' and 'C-x 5 f' when point is on > the library name, then typing 'M-n' will get the library file. I use this often if I want to visit a library regardless of what is near point. If I want to open embark (say because I just updated it), I use C-x L and enter "embark" via completing-read. It's very convenient. Howard From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Oct 17 13:30:55 2021 Received: (at 51240) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Oct 2021 17:30:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45193 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mc9zr-0005D6-Fm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 17 Oct 2021 13:30:55 -0400 Received: from relay6-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.198]:53285) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mc9zp-0005Cr-Nr for 51240@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 17 Oct 2021 13:30:54 -0400 Received: (Authenticated sender: juri@linkov.net) by relay6-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DA296C000A; Sun, 17 Oct 2021 17:30:45 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#51240: [External] : bug#51240: 27.2; Binding find-library commands Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <878ryser1h.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2021 19:59:16 +0300 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Sat, 16 Oct 2021 19:33:52 +0000") Message-ID: <87ilxv3ojf.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 51240 Cc: "51240@debbugs.gnu.org" <51240@debbugs.gnu.org>, Howard Melman X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > What's the big deal? IIRC, in the last month > alone you've proposed (and grabbed) a _bunch_ > of new default keys, no? No, I didn't grab no keys from you. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Oct 17 13:30:58 2021 Received: (at 51240) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Oct 2021 17:30:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45196 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mc9zu-0005DM-Kq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 17 Oct 2021 13:30:58 -0400 Received: from relay4-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.196]:42805) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mc9zt-0005Cw-JB for 51240@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 17 Oct 2021 13:30:58 -0400 Received: (Authenticated sender: juri@linkov.net) by relay4-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E15A5E0005; Sun, 17 Oct 2021 17:30:49 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov To: Howard Melman Subject: Re: bug#51240: [External] : bug#51240: 27.2; Binding find-library commands Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <878ryser1h.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <1512A8BF-E11B-4E31-8064-EC4E40D90BFB@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2021 20:04:17 +0300 In-Reply-To: <1512A8BF-E11B-4E31-8064-EC4E40D90BFB@gmail.com> (Howard Melman's message of "Sat, 16 Oct 2021 21:16:32 -0400") Message-ID: <87bl3n3ob2.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 51240 Cc: "51240@debbugs.gnu.org" <51240@debbugs.gnu.org>, Drew Adams X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > The other commands related to find-library are setup via > find-function-setup-keys. The equivalents of find-library > are on C-x F, C-x K and C-x V and then on the C-x 4 and > C-x 5 locations too. > I use this often if I want to visit a library regardless of what is > near point. If I want to open embark (say because I just updated > it), I use C-x L and enter "embark" via completing-read. > It's very convenient. Thanks for the explanation, I think it makes sense to add C-x L, C-x 4 L, C-x 5 L to find-function-setup-keys. 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Makes sense to me. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Oct 19 19:14:07 2021 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Oct 2021 23:14:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52232 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mcyJ5-0007a1-7W for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 19 Oct 2021 19:14:07 -0400 Received: from mail-pf1-f172.google.com ([209.85.210.172]:35364) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mcyJ4-0007Z3-06 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 19 Oct 2021 19:14:06 -0400 Received: by mail-pf1-f172.google.com with SMTP id c29so1306723pfp.2 for ; Tue, 19 Oct 2021 16:14:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=lIr1xcQtzdbfvTZcO/e9WEgL5tM3+yNBDqlkPBdIM2Q=; b=vIHSY+kKQDedwj2Fvzp7lR98+EfdP0/3XpZ0CTVNPhW4GepzyZlUL2Lvb5ck/fL4G4 jLT4TC7Um31X7Z1XOkKCgYmFbf42Pp6JiMD/uRdykRWOnNv08EWbbMk3xWnNDOsuUWmv UQTCkSRgdGh1LbERl2ue3NCzaHDyak7pZfcFhVIH3Zj/tDQF74u01YcxoACVJivQ5yAd w3pJOIQt6RKqI0bfgf+0gMS27HpAXSBlb1Uo+Qaqx+CFwWYjbwoudZzVXtmKnKZRIVtP YGJclNqxEbAD9eJQRyV5lhIIdkJqgxdeu879Yje0g4vFF4N1eOeIXd4ecICE7xKRKFdW c9bg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532FIBNspV56LxcOgD/x21bJpSLjyJkoRNT/gJbOvNYmOSvEH/FZ xRDkDAOfOB9e5WG2VShfAKOtUM5/NeUTBsVzCSznEcb8 X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxygK94hNjxteAFT25XqgVlhh6CLp883JssxXjgrroF/uXnILSpVHnMsGFiyUguAWXlSlsxu0UQNehh2psxJ3Q= X-Received: by 2002:aa7:978b:0:b0:44c:abf1:a8b8 with SMTP id o11-20020aa7978b000000b0044cabf1a8b8mr2731584pfp.35.1634685240379; Tue, 19 Oct 2021 16:14:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Tue, 19 Oct 2021 16:14:00 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 16:14:00 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: control message for bug #51240 To: control@debbugs.gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) severity 51240 wishlist quit From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Nov 24 13:30:54 2021 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Nov 2021 18:30:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54931 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mpx2g-0003Jl-1T for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 13:30:54 -0500 Received: from relay1-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.193]:57237) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mpx2d-0003JQ-Cm; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 13:30:48 -0500 Received: (Authenticated sender: juri@linkov.net) by relay1-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0C40D24000B; Wed, 24 Nov 2021 18:30:38 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#52074: 29.0.50; Add key binding for find-library Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <8cbad051-6fa0-958a-d2a6-4ba1ab1b7361@inventati.org> <87h7c2vx2p.fsf@gnus.org> <86814524-852c-d65b-cb05-86cc0f274d9b@inventati.org> <87k0gxwk2p.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2021 20:29:47 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87k0gxwk2p.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Wed, 24 Nov 2021 18:16:14 +0100") Message-ID: <86wnkx2yqs.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control Cc: Manuel Uberti , 52074@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) forcemerge 51240 52074 quit > Anybody else with opinions or ideas here? This is duplicate of https://debbugs.gnu.org/51240 where both using the C-h keymap or C-x L/C-x 4 L/C-x 5 L were proposed without a conclusive decision which one to prefer. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 03 16:25:33 2022 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jan 2022 21:25:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36418 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n4Upg-0000Et-VA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2022 16:25:33 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:42684) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n4Upf-0000El-3B for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2022 16:25:31 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:57378) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n4Upa-0002oU-HG for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2022 16:25:29 -0500 Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:52580) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n4UpZ-0005QI-86 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2022 16:25:26 -0500 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1n4UpW-00045q-KJ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2022 22:25:22 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org From: Howard Melman Subject: Re: bug#51240: 27.2; Binding find-library commands Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2022 16:25:12 -0500 Message-ID: References: <878ryser1h.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <1512A8BF-E11B-4E31-8064-EC4E40D90BFB@gmail.com> <87bl3n3ob2.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87a6j6n5y7.fsf_-_@gnus.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (darwin) Cancel-Lock: sha1:Xh3N+AbI8nYxKTV3xuAiy8wiMnY= Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: 24 X-Spam_score: 2.4 X-Spam_bar: ++ X-Spam_report: (2.4 / 5.0 requ) DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD=1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.249, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.9 (/) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Juri Linkov writes: > >> Thanks for the explanation, I think it makes sense to add >> C-x L, C-x 4 L, C-x 5 L to find-function-setup-keys. > > Makes sense to me. I don't see this in the tree. 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Why is `L' needed, instead of `l', for `C-x [45]'? (Why should you need to use the Shift key for this?) Why is `C-x L' wasted on this? That `L' would be a perfectly good prefix key for something. Is a same-window key binding even needed? Do you really think it will be used much? 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That `L' would be a > perfectly good prefix key for something. >=20 > Is a same-window key binding even needed? Do you > really think it will be used much? I answered all of these previously in this bug several months ago. Juri and Lars agreed at the time, and I'm just trying to follow through = to see the changes make it in. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: oracle.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: SJ0PR10MB5488.namprd10.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 4b01caf7-95c7-46ce-93da-08d9cf114ab9 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 03 Jan 2022 23:32:22.3611 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 4e2c6054-71cb-48f1-bd6c-3a9705aca71b X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: KuvzR/r7gTzw2BM72910HMOKZ/lLxcuCaWONrHK2sLxJm/WlmrQqhqA9fFWrE5W6ee1kP8emB34jKzpwhTXNYw== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BY5PR10MB3953 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6300 definitions=10216 signatures=668683 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 malwarescore=0 mlxscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 adultscore=0 phishscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 suspectscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2110150000 definitions=main-2201030158 X-Proofpoint-ORIG-GUID: GOkhqZmmxDl9AfNe-FBT2r22fOonZO_6 X-Proofpoint-GUID: GOkhqZmmxDl9AfNe-FBT2r22fOonZO_6 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 51240 Cc: "51240@debbugs.gnu.org" <51240@debbugs.gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > I answered all of these previously in this bug several months ago. Yeah, it sounds familiar. I wasn't sure whether I'd registered my disagreement and asked for reasons. Sorry for the noise. I see now, checking. Your reason is that this is similar to what `find-function-setup-keys' gives, for finding a function. (I don't see much of a connection between finding libraries and finding functions, but so be it.) But if the idea is to emulate the model of `find-function-setup-keys', then such find-library bindings should be _created only by command_, e.g., `find-library-setup-keys' - not by default. I don't at all object to someone using a command that creates such a set of key bindings. I object to such _default_ key bindings - for the reasons I gave. It's one thing for someone to explicitly request some key bindings (interactively or init file), and a command is a convenient way to do that. It's quite another thing for Emacs to assign keys by default. > Juri and Lars agreed at the time, and I'm just > trying to follow through to see the changes make it in. On n'arrete pas le progres... From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jan 03 19:04:54 2022 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Jan 2022 00:04:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36560 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n4XJu-0004VX-AM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2022 19:04:54 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:45850) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n4XJp-0004VJ-Qq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2022 19:04:52 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:32958) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n4XJo-0002B3-6m for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2022 19:04:49 -0500 Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:49396) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n4XJm-0007b0-Lp for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 03 Jan 2022 19:04:47 -0500 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1n4XJk-0003Ak-6z for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2022 01:04:44 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org From: Howard Melman Subject: Re: bug#51240: [External] : bug#51240: 27.2; Binding find-library commands Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2022 19:04:35 -0500 Message-ID: References: <878ryser1h.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <1512A8BF-E11B-4E31-8064-EC4E40D90BFB@gmail.com> <87bl3n3ob2.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87a6j6n5y7.fsf_-_@gnus.org> <09DAB10C-2D91-42CA-9558-F4EA3A108079@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (darwin) Cancel-Lock: sha1:GgFF6yoyFw5q6FcR57TUIU/3Ods= Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: 24 X-Spam_score: 2.4 X-Spam_bar: ++ X-Spam_report: (2.4 / 5.0 requ) DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD=1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.249, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.9 (/) Drew Adams writes: >> I answered all of these previously in this bug several months ago. > > Yeah, it sounds familiar. I wasn't sure whether I'd > registered my disagreement and asked for reasons. > Sorry for the noise. > > I see now, checking. Your reason is that this is > similar to what `find-function-setup-keys' gives, > for finding a function. (I don't see much of a > connection between finding libraries and finding > functions, but so be it.) > > But if the idea is to emulate the model of > `find-function-setup-keys', then such find-library > bindings should be _created only by command_, e.g., > `find-library-setup-keys' - not by default. The concensus from a couple of months ago is explicitly to add these 3 bindings to find-library-setup-keys just like the others. I would think if you had checked we could have avoided this noise too. ;) -- Howard From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jan 04 10:37:01 2022 Received: (at 51240) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Jan 2022 15:37:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38483 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n4lrx-00050V-2h for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2022 10:37:01 -0500 Received: from mx0a-00069f02.pphosted.com ([205.220.165.32]:17370) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n4lrs-00050J-Ka for 51240@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2022 10:36:59 -0500 Received: from pps.filterd (m0246617.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by mx0b-00069f02.pphosted.com (8.16.1.2/8.16.1.2) with SMTP id 204FTN26011496; Tue, 4 Jan 2022 15:36:55 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=from : to : subject : date : message-id : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding : mime-version; s=corp-2021-07-09; 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I would think if you had checked we could have > avoided this noise too. ;) Sorry. Good to hear. (I guess you meant `find-function-setup-keys'.) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jun 30 06:50:10 2022 Received: (at 51240) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Jun 2022 10:50:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33014 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o6rkQ-0002HF-DU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 30 Jun 2022 06:50:10 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:42464) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o6rkO-0002Gs-HO; Thu, 30 Jun 2022 06:50:09 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=cNduR7AzIRZ0hzmpOu6qh/eKD8AI29Z8uT7nqCQ/Dnw=; b=L3PCRhoB3gNhYKViUVVcN2ItUa ru4NgP/AD1b8JEbAnnR7ns3oWpuX1x33Y03jjmjPaF/iAm0dXUH9AsXtlhrcUN/xJlq4rn3bOk7VQ i69rT4lHRVMKcAevyHLSq/nbxNBwkm4pszsdwZXbfH+rk0W8l237bBfpYg7P2UjjPn1A=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1o6rkB-0002QU-PZ; Thu, 30 Jun 2022 12:49:58 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Juri Linkov Subject: Re: bug#52074: 29.0.50; Add key binding for find-library In-Reply-To: <87a6j6n5y7.fsf_-_@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Mon, 18 Oct 2021 09:32:48 +0200") References: <878ryser1h.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <1512A8BF-E11B-4E31-8064-EC4E40D90BFB@gmail.com> <87bl3n3ob2.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87a6j6n5y7.fsf_-_@gnus.org> X-Now-Playing: Anna Domino's _This Time_: "Time For Us" Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2022 12:49:55 +0200 Message-ID: <87edz6bf3g.fsf_-_@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: >> Thanks for the explanation, I think it makes sense to add >> C-x L, C-x 4 L, C-x 5 L to find-function-setup-keys. > > Makes sense to me. So I've now done this in Emacs 29. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: oracle.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: SJ0PR10MB5488.namprd10.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: f2ee67bc-3e45-4047-c147-08da5aaee60e X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 30 Jun 2022 15:40:45.6570 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 4e2c6054-71cb-48f1-bd6c-3a9705aca71b X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: 8hoxWl7X5/HQprShkgksqtXpiK7GFS2SFd9DybKVI3APk6dr6T3VxfhaCAMUuzBWUtZreoRjA3+eEsH1rpYPTQ== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: CY4PR10MB1847 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:6.0.517, 18.0.883 definitions=2022-06-30_11:2022-06-28, 2022-06-30 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 mlxscore=0 phishscore=0 malwarescore=0 mlxlogscore=999 spamscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2204290000 definitions=main-2206300062 X-Proofpoint-ORIG-GUID: YCxJR9CaumBHNIaprO5VRzbOB400T5Zl X-Proofpoint-GUID: YCxJR9CaumBHNIaprO5VRzbOB400T5Zl X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 51240 Cc: "51240@debbugs.gnu.org" <51240@debbugs.gnu.org>, Howard Melman , "52074@debbugs.gnu.org" <52074@debbugs.gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > >> Thanks for the explanation, I think it makes sense to add > >> C-x L, C-x 4 L, C-x 5 L to find-function-setup-keys. > > > > Makes sense to me. >=20 > So I've now done this in Emacs 29. Finally. But as I said in bug #51240, which is a duplicate of this one: [Isn't this essentially bug #26712? and 2270? (which was closed as Done, but with no key binding)] At least 3 duplicate bugs, + discussion in emacs-devel. 15 years. It's taken 15 years to get this done, from my initial proposal to add the -other-window/frame versions, and my suggestion of `C-x 4 l' and `C-x 5 l' bindings. Yes, you should have used lowercase `l'. From #26712: I almost _never_ use `count-lines-page', and I use `find-library-other-window' several times a day. And I'm probably one of the few people who actually does use page commands. That's just not that useful a command, for me.) And `find-function-setup-keys' shouldn't hardcode the keys anyway - it should use a user option. And this isn't even (at all) about finding a function. There's no reason to put finding a _library_ on `find-function-setup-keys'. But I repeat myself... https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D2270 https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D26712#8 https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D26712#44 https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2007-03/msg01073.html https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2007-06/msg01306.html From unknown Sun Jun 22 17:12:20 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2022 11:24:08 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator