From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Oct 16 03:28:48 2021 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Oct 2021 07:28:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40872 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mbe7c-0004Ib-17 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Oct 2021 03:28:48 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:43238) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mbbqj-0000Ww-PH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Oct 2021 01:03:15 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:44990) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mbbqj-0004o0-C2 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Oct 2021 01:03:13 -0400 Received: from omta002.cacentral1.a.cloudfilter.net ([3.97.99.33]:54724) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mbbqh-0000oi-P1 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 16 Oct 2021 01:03:13 -0400 Received: from shw-obgw-4002a.ext.cloudfilter.net ([10.228.9.250]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id bUDwmitr7ps7PbbqfmB0kP; Sat, 16 Oct 2021 05:03:09 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=shaw.ca; s=s20180605; t=1634360589; bh=1QXd8jxsfMw50uJMP0xGRmyjb+FX8tUyjA6ZZo+25zA=; h=From:Subject:Date:To; b=Z/pXJdNuxa28PLXnn4NC4m8hz2nXwbp3hDekUIKnowqIHmDDyLRIG5rmMgMYCnasf TTbl0kiRJUM/MHRatjP64IsG9x5lZzntGI87uTk/f1pLXRvyrKGa4Xlm4McVmblvQI uuBf91U3H45DNcesdkJj5E/GnARU/Fb5oSI54RoVryB5RJsQVYYrcX5sSQJcuX55nc K2gWCqmAKNB90qkGVCjAh4k2Z/PUo4QAP7XOLXSkCi7iiBVK63Bf0b/jDAk+lVCXSx 48B2n577QlYwB1JiPJGqMorHOmud08PTPIvSfddZz3cbhzmCg3pWr41RuiSr2GsPJ6 YH3l672IUCEGw== Received: from ians-mbp.hitronhub.home ([24.80.41.162]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPA id bbqemjHemgxGibbqfmpfua; Sat, 16 Oct 2021 05:03:09 +0000 Authentication-Results: ; auth=pass (PLAIN) smtp.auth=delta29@shaw.ca X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.4 cv=SqLzVNC0 c=1 sm=1 tr=0 ts=616a5d0d a=68GUtf/ThuVGfj9FO3ScHA==:117 a=68GUtf/ThuVGfj9FO3ScHA==:17 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=460sqQbeSDobe5GNtQYA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 From: Ian Nehera Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.21\)) Subject: 27.2/28 small typos/faq correction? Message-Id: <001E06F1-5371-4644-9575-C5DC220D12FC@shaw.ca> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 22:03:08 -0700 To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.21) X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4xfPao1WgZ98y/ZaHnEn716zUBaE2BqW4B56Xn/mCd/XNscOYWT0+t7EpZ38QI+ti2ZzgOKKkbDiOmwPiT8PV0Tk2/HnrXxMJ48gJQXdUrsxIgPBQd/OjC Cek14PAFIh8kw1Avj0nept5b9M4ghb9+3Yrlo2cpuiTINGQBIad4ajsV+vFYLwT4dZ2HqkuVTuoHni1C0xdcCdnB25J9tP40xnA= Received-SPF: pass client-ip=3.97.99.33; envelope-from=delta29@shaw.ca; helo=omta002.cacentral1.a.cloudfilter.net X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 03:28:47 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) Hi, I found a couple small typos in 27.2 that are still present in the = source for 28.1. doc/lispref/searching.texi line 2174: missing =E2=80=99s=E2=80=99 on = "describe" - Because the match data normally describe[s] =E2=80=A6 url-retrieve-synchronously doc-string lisp/url/url.el line 229: - Original: ...or nil if there are no data associated with it = (the =E2=80=A6 - Change V1: there [is] no data ... - Change V2: or nil if [the buffer contains] no data = [=E2=80=A6] (the =E2=80=A6 The other thing I found is that the Emacs FAQ. doc/misc/efaq.texi line 1905: Yanking text in isearch recommends =E2=80=98M-y=E2=80=99 for yanking = text out of the kill ring. This works, but the cross referenced manual page only mentions the usual =E2=80=98C-y=E2=80=99 method with =E2=80=98M-y=E2=80=99 = yanking previous kills. Is the manual=20 out of date or should the FAQ be updated? Thanks, Ian= From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Oct 16 03:47:04 2021 Received: (at 51236) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Oct 2021 07:47:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40902 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mbePG-0006Mh-CD for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Oct 2021 03:47:04 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:37168) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mbePA-0006E3-RA for 51236@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Oct 2021 03:47:01 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:42524) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mbeP4-0004kq-J7; Sat, 16 Oct 2021 03:46:50 -0400 Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=3591 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mbeP1-0004AQ-CF; Sat, 16 Oct 2021 03:46:50 -0400 Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 10:46:47 +0300 Message-Id: <834k9hif88.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Ian Nehera In-Reply-To: <001E06F1-5371-4644-9575-C5DC220D12FC@shaw.ca> (message from Ian Nehera on Fri, 15 Oct 2021 22:03:08 -0700) Subject: Re: bug#51236: 27.2/28 small typos/faq correction? References: <001E06F1-5371-4644-9575-C5DC220D12FC@shaw.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 51236 Cc: 51236@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Ian Nehera > Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 22:03:08 -0700 > > Hi, I found a couple small typos in 27.2 that are still present in the source for 28.1. Thank you for your reports. > doc/lispref/searching.texi line 2174: missing ’s’ on "describe" > - Because the match data normally describe[s] … > > url-retrieve-synchronously doc-string > lisp/url/url.el line 229: > - Original: ...or nil if there are no data associated with it (the … > - Change V1: there [is] no data ... > - Change V2: or nil if [the buffer contains] no data […] (the … "Data" is plural, so I think using plural form here is non incorrect. > The other thing I found is that the Emacs FAQ. > > doc/misc/efaq.texi line 1905: > Yanking text in isearch recommends ‘M-y’ for yanking text out of the kill > ring. This works, but the cross referenced manual page only mentions > the usual ‘C-y’ method with ‘M-y’ yanking previous kills. Is the manual > out of date or should the FAQ be updated? What would you suggest to update and how? Both C-y and M-y are mentioned in the manual, and the manual is always more detailed than any other documentation. Could you state the problem you see with the current text? Thanks again for your interest in Emacs documentation. 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From: Ian Nehera In-Reply-To: <834k9hif88.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 15:01:22 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <001E06F1-5371-4644-9575-C5DC220D12FC@shaw.ca> <834k9hif88.fsf@gnu.org> To: Eli Zaretskii X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.21) X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4xfOpaoJJGrnCoyJmE+G4qbNwdfaqlqIZkcDR5N4tuS74gxHgMnSSi8o4ZPzdfbUVlmRGXFUXOV8e2HSbgEuhTawMe8ZrRIhQ9S3sUI64dH5iJiePNU9P2 B2js+O1TR04ZOLBH9U/aukBriMh7GFsgl6H57ytdU2tC4AeWLX27l1K451mvNW5Gw0OPiVQYtsT780oIdpZmdS2tTFhlDBZMafqtxNTZpluneiXjdI1fyIaY X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 51236 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 17 Oct 2021 00:47:11 -0400 Cc: 51236@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) > On Oct 16, 2021, at 12:46 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > "Data" is plural, so I think using plural form here is non incorrect. It=E2=80=99s not incorrect, it just jumped out to me when I read it. = Similar to: - There is no data on the disk. as opposed to: - There are no data on the disk. "Data is=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9Cdata are" are both technically correct so = I guess this one's more of a style choice than a typo. > What would you suggest to update and how? Both C-y and M-y are > mentioned in the manual, and the manual is always more detailed than > any other documentation. Could you state the problem you see with the > current text? The cross-referenced manual page (Isearch Yanking) doesn=E2=80=99t = mention that `isearch-yank-pop=E2=80=99 (27.2) can yank text when the previous = command wasn=E2=80=99t a yank. The only place it gets mentioned is in a comment in the source: ;; Fall back on `isearch-yank-kill' for the benefits of people ;; who are used to the old behavior of `M-y' in isearch mode. In ;; future, this fallback may be changed if we ever change ;; `yank-pop' to do something like the kill-ring-browser. A separate function was made for the `kill-ring-browser=E2=80=99 = functionality in 28.1 (isearch-yank-pop) but the old behaviour is still the default = (isearch-yank-pop-only). If that=E2=80=99s going to be the case long term, there should be a note = of it in the manual. Maybe something like: =E2=80=A6usual =E2=80=98M-y=E2=80=99 (=E2=80=98yank-pop=E2=80=99) = command (see Yanking). [However unlike the usual =E2=80=98M-y=E2=80=99, =E2=80=98isearch-yank-pop=E2=80=99 will = act like =E2=80=98C-y=E2=80=99 when the previous command wasn=E2=80=99t a yank. That is, it will yank the most recent kill.] Clicking = =E2=80=98mouse-2=E2=80=99 in the=E2=80=A6 If the old `M-y=E2=80=99 behaviour WON=E2=80=99T be the default long = term, then the FAQ should be change to something along the lines of: [=E2=80=98C-y=E2=80=99 and =E2=80=98M-y=E2=80=99 work the same = in searches as they do in normal editing.] See=E2=80=A6 Thanks, Ian > On Oct 16, 2021, at 12:46 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >=20 >> From: Ian Nehera >> Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 22:03:08 -0700 >>=20 >> Hi, I found a couple small typos in 27.2 that are still present in = the source for 28.1. >=20 > Thank you for your reports. >=20 >> doc/lispref/searching.texi line 2174: missing =E2=80=99s=E2=80=99 on = "describe" >> - Because the match data normally describe[s] =E2=80=A6 >>=20 >> url-retrieve-synchronously doc-string >> lisp/url/url.el line 229: >> - Original: ...or nil if there are no data associated with it = (the =E2=80=A6 >> - Change V1: there [is] no data ... >> - Change V2: or nil if [the buffer contains] no data = [=E2=80=A6] (the =E2=80=A6 >=20 > "Data" is plural, so I think using plural form here is non incorrect. >=20 >> The other thing I found is that the Emacs FAQ. >>=20 >> doc/misc/efaq.texi line 1905: >> Yanking text in isearch recommends =E2=80=98M-y=E2=80=99 for yanking = text out of the kill >> ring. This works, but the cross referenced manual page only mentions >> the usual =E2=80=98C-y=E2=80=99 method with =E2=80=98M-y=E2=80=99 = yanking previous kills. Is the manual=20 >> out of date or should the FAQ be updated? >=20 > What would you suggest to update and how? Both C-y and M-y are > mentioned in the manual, and the manual is always more detailed than > any other documentation. Could you state the problem you see with the > current text? >=20 > Thanks again for your interest in Emacs documentation. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Oct 17 02:10:47 2021 Received: (at 51236) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Oct 2021 06:10:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43470 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mbzNf-0000mD-Jv for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 17 Oct 2021 02:10:47 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:51106) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mbzNe-0000lz-N7 for 51236@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 17 Oct 2021 02:10:46 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:45690) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mbzNX-0004KA-BT; Sun, 17 Oct 2021 02:10:40 -0400 Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=1293 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mbzNC-0002p0-1N; Sun, 17 Oct 2021 02:10:33 -0400 Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2021 09:10:22 +0300 Message-Id: <838rysgp0x.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Ian Nehera In-Reply-To: (message from Ian Nehera on Sat, 16 Oct 2021 15:01:22 -0700) Subject: Re: bug#51236: 27.2/28 small typos/faq correction? References: <001E06F1-5371-4644-9575-C5DC220D12FC@shaw.ca> <834k9hif88.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 51236 Cc: 51236@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Ian Nehera > Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2021 15:01:22 -0700 > Cc: 51236@debbugs.gnu.org > > > On Oct 16, 2021, at 12:46 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > "Data" is plural, so I think using plural form here is non incorrect. > > It’s not incorrect, it just jumped out to me when I read it. Similar to: > - There is no data on the disk. > as opposed to: > - There are no data on the disk. > "Data is” and “data are" are both technically correct so I guess this > one's more of a style choice than a typo. Yes. > > What would you suggest to update and how? Both C-y and M-y are > > mentioned in the manual, and the manual is always more detailed than > > any other documentation. Could you state the problem you see with the > > current text? > > The cross-referenced manual page (Isearch Yanking) doesn’t mention that > `isearch-yank-pop’ (27.2) can yank text when the previous command wasn’t > a yank. The only place it gets mentioned is in a comment in the source: > > ;; Fall back on `isearch-yank-kill' for the benefits of people > ;; who are used to the old behavior of `M-y' in isearch mode. In > ;; future, this fallback may be changed if we ever change > ;; `yank-pop' to do something like the kill-ring-browser. > > A separate function was made for the `kill-ring-browser’ functionality in 28.1 > (isearch-yank-pop) but the old behaviour is still the default (isearch-yank-pop-only). > If that’s going to be the case long term, there should be a note of it in the manual. > Maybe something like: > > …usual ‘M-y’ (‘yank-pop’) command (see Yanking). [However unlike the usual > ‘M-y’, ‘isearch-yank-pop’ will act like ‘C-y’ when the previous command wasn’t > a yank. That is, it will yank the most recent kill.] Clicking ‘mouse-2’ in the… I see no reason to have those details in the manual. Many Emacs commands have some DWIM-ish aspects, and we don't always document all of them in such detail. Does anyone else think it's important to have those details in the manual? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Oct 18 03:35:23 2021 Received: (at 51236) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Oct 2021 07:35:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45799 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mcNB5-0007ml-5F for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Oct 2021 03:35:23 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:48902) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mcNB3-0007mV-ID for 51236@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Oct 2021 03:35:22 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=MeiWXDGoYIybPwWJYedNT+UUpULO7tBA8kqI+vMWGzY=; b=S7293vGJN/I8i/v1t5ekyHNLgQ yIZt/mI+r9Lq0zJCQ3x8LdWdB9tMFgAuK5ca33J8GysTD9H2HaIr+dLuSarA0aIFnLiiZv44XpIgt nJtmg7rcwdBeG7VeW7/ZEleCpMQT4Ad+tYoYthf6FVmjkSSXAXfH27cijZI7Puk786jM=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=elva) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mcNAu-0000Xi-Qm; Mon, 18 Oct 2021 09:35:15 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#51236: 27.2/28 small typos/faq correction? References: <001E06F1-5371-4644-9575-C5DC220D12FC@shaw.ca> <834k9hif88.fsf@gnu.org> <838rysgp0x.fsf@gnu.org> X-Now-Playing: Brokeback's _Looks At The Bird_: "Name's Winston, Friends Call Me James" Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 09:35:12 +0200 In-Reply-To: <838rysgp0x.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 17 Oct 2021 09:10:22 +0300") Message-ID: <875ytun5u7.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii writes: > I see no reason to have those details in the manual. Many Emacs > commands have some DWIM-ish aspects, and we don't always document all > of them in such detail. > > Does anyone else think it's impo [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 51236 Cc: 51236@debbugs.gnu.org, Ian Nehera X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii writes: > I see no reason to have those details in the manual. Many Emacs > commands have some DWIM-ish aspects, and we don't always document all > of them in such detail. > > Does anyone else think it's important to have those details in the > manual? I think documenting this would go beyond what's useful for somebody reading the manul. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Oct 18 17:44:18 2021 Received: (at 51236) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Oct 2021 21:44:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48784 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mcaQc-00037v-Dm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Oct 2021 17:44:18 -0400 Received: from omta001.cacentral1.a.cloudfilter.net ([3.97.99.32]:41539) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mcaQb-00037i-0Q for 51236@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Oct 2021 17:44:18 -0400 Received: from shw-obgw-4003a.ext.cloudfilter.net ([10.228.9.183]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id cRRKm8gPLczbLcaQVmofES; Mon, 18 Oct 2021 21:44:11 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=shaw.ca; s=s20180605; t=1634593451; bh=sGwqUfbESrWQMPoFkxrV9pnCrULjsoM6rPNob5y4T98=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To; b=vexCDYjuuDp1vN8hRH5MFlvEvOkgeDkwk/zOZ+wnvfZSWYQ1zZsMrWglGGempBziq UMxBSYaonoz5gwDtgLg8RZYCyXrJAnb7KG0702UVH6vHpuSRymsahJfyxyS1vpEoR/ xP5A8pg/vG9E3b6rn4YrysAOJwYmjlxxXrZ2Nz7K/zDj3Y1lmCKT2umk80stQiVf/b zT5cSvUswq8Qz+W/ZIrdL7mqhq27xUT4ncGEk1Z2DIA9pWK1VDNh03wroxNp8MBWYS aZTjAVd6c+7snpbK5T5rjRIh1PSf3Yi7NH5HMfvsC7rNzACWrYJ9fcO2N9hbjQX0OB 7MVf8rIucDfgA== Received: from ians-mbp.hitronhub.home ([24.80.41.162]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPA id caQUmObamhYGxcaQVmpm3i; Mon, 18 Oct 2021 21:44:11 +0000 Authentication-Results: ; auth=pass (PLAIN) smtp.auth=delta29@shaw.ca X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.4 cv=QIIL+iHL c=1 sm=1 tr=0 ts=616deaab a=68GUtf/ThuVGfj9FO3ScHA==:117 a=68GUtf/ThuVGfj9FO3ScHA==:17 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=OocQHUDgAAAA:8 a=mDV3o1hIAAAA:8 a=b52wiHABAAAA:8 a=ZmpFExFdql9qoJ3FoEcA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=xUZTl98r3Qw_uB5NK3jt:22 a=_FVE-zBwftR9WsbkzFJk:22 a=1EKIuR8YLyU1R_1yAme3:22 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.21\)) Subject: Re: bug#51236: 27.2/28 small typos/faq correction? From: Ian Nehera In-Reply-To: <875ytun5u7.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 14:44:10 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <12456E2A-4D8C-41AA-A40D-B4EB9B0E2DC0@shaw.ca> References: <001E06F1-5371-4644-9575-C5DC220D12FC@shaw.ca> <834k9hif88.fsf@gnu.org> <838rysgp0x.fsf@gnu.org> <875ytun5u7.fsf@gnus.org> To: Lars Ingebrigtsen X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.21) X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4xfB7v9W+q/hPD1e4kag+/uIO2FQoNLNOQYmuqdX7SMQshHe6tBpM6MQa6qv6u4Mo+2qqZfJjy3cuqzKtfPxIvYDMqRWh0N6jO8oyWiowMgFr723mVwz/u diiNpRjMq9GKNYoFd4gxrUfUE7QN7dcgmNr10tFnSnGkgJl++FiZ0YH8kl2ST/UDQMm7UbJVjISzTofkLqjfj/pF1nTzfBVeiETZzdlLpQq4WHAcIcMBfaOv 9e9AR809CnsWdQcRzoBCAg== X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 51236 Cc: 51236@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Understandable, What about the FAQ section? Should it be changed to =E2=80=98C-y=E2=80=99 = to fit with the manual? Thanks, Ian > On Oct 18, 2021, at 12:35 AM, Lars Ingebrigtsen = wrote: >=20 > Eli Zaretskii writes: >=20 >> I see no reason to have those details in the manual. Many Emacs >> commands have some DWIM-ish aspects, and we don't always document all >> of them in such detail. >>=20 >> Does anyone else think it's important to have those details in the >> manual? >=20 > I think documenting this would go beyond what's useful for somebody > reading the manul. >=20 > --=20 > (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) > bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Oct 18 22:34:11 2021 Received: (at 51236) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Oct 2021 02:34:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48963 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mcex9-0003rU-L2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Oct 2021 22:34:11 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:36712) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mcex4-0003rD-To for 51236@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Oct 2021 22:34:10 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:34580) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mcewz-0001cF-3M; Mon, 18 Oct 2021 22:34:01 -0400 Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=4620 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mcewy-0005x0-Nm; Mon, 18 Oct 2021 22:34:01 -0400 Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 05:34:08 +0300 Message-Id: <83y26pd9pb.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Ian Nehera In-Reply-To: <12456E2A-4D8C-41AA-A40D-B4EB9B0E2DC0@shaw.ca> (message from Ian Nehera on Mon, 18 Oct 2021 14:44:10 -0700) Subject: Re: bug#51236: 27.2/28 small typos/faq correction? References: <001E06F1-5371-4644-9575-C5DC220D12FC@shaw.ca> <834k9hif88.fsf@gnu.org> <838rysgp0x.fsf@gnu.org> <875ytun5u7.fsf@gnus.org> <12456E2A-4D8C-41AA-A40D-B4EB9B0E2DC0@shaw.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 51236 Cc: 51236@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Ian Nehera > Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2021 14:44:10 -0700 > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , > 51236@debbugs.gnu.org > > Understandable, > > What about the FAQ section? Should it be changed to ‘C-y’ to fit with the > manual? I thought you said that what it said wasn't incorrect? Then why change it? 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From: Ian Nehera In-Reply-To: <83y26pd9pb.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2021 11:13:54 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <7515ECD1-3EF8-4B74-923C-B689DEB347BB@shaw.ca> References: <001E06F1-5371-4644-9575-C5DC220D12FC@shaw.ca> <834k9hif88.fsf@gnu.org> <838rysgp0x.fsf@gnu.org> <875ytun5u7.fsf@gnus.org> <12456E2A-4D8C-41AA-A40D-B4EB9B0E2DC0@shaw.ca> <83y26pd9pb.fsf@gnu.org> To: Eli Zaretskii X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.21) X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4xfFNAGiRVAkp/vgxPb8P1Dcb4LmZvPCTcYPwzGA2CF6w2TILSDIHe4p8mPtLDM85fuTCvJZY4DlU1pfYKgok/kzGpADCvIZFwJaffT1C4OQCBmvi1EOzp QLclMldVQ88PZ4oZ79aRt4i3UPnIjeu826oRreSKwyeFgNutuLVYdiWFvIlOUZZgUO8m4zUnR4c2UYJixLUZM9xRqHYEAqYhgiTQGrx75A8RGxtw9xmuN7XT vHon51JPWoEURDNAGBkq2Q== X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 51236 Cc: 51236@debbugs.gnu.org, Lars Ingebrigtsen X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) > I thought you said that what it said wasn't incorrect? Then why > change it? I just thought it was odd that the manuals/tutorial all listed =E2=80=98C-= y=E2=80=99 as the main way to yank text but then the FAQ suddenly says =E2=80=98M-y=E2=80=99= . If you see no issue with it then forget I said anything. Thanks, Ian= From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Oct 20 14:27:26 2021 Received: (at 51236) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Oct 2021 18:27:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55419 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mdGJC-0003U1-MF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 20 Oct 2021 14:27:26 -0400 Received: from mail-pg1-f179.google.com ([209.85.215.179]:45872) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mdGJA-0003Tb-Kw for 51236@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 20 Oct 2021 14:27:24 -0400 Received: by mail-pg1-f179.google.com with SMTP id f5so23245737pgc.12 for <51236@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 20 Oct 2021 11:27:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to:cc :content-transfer-encoding; bh=KBYyC7nnP245lL8opfZ/VfnQi0Zo3KGUStArDharSKk=; b=6Y5JuzKH1Ey8dKZWlnuPvmNFXwPHAwXGdbi22L6gfeSLNsdfHQbOWOXPQJzHSi0PJf 039riF1pvaMaX5eG2N3KWOI0cccU+UtLw8tHl/KfvxyEaZTUXujJvYldrZ4UXQCBfiSV eYQOVnZ5vb3rZHAO60WWyLBJH5mgzNJQrBCwt9YBSLR91BZ5fu9ZVtxF43M+EcqoLMH+ R0E+/NDpNd2Vxe2woJkiJWUznLZphPCdpgEY9i+JYFYPqD7R56vG8BjN/tXiOM2n7TXI RNP0FmMWlW1heTaoRhYlpmrSw+wqMUHPCIc/fbZyqIFgspL8xE+RlrL7j6wuNA9MmCd6 sYNA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530SC7gufZrCnmhwxFnYYZjBqvulgdTqFaxEqxiJbTocpNwGHAh5 Tkz4b77SFLif1R31GgNXItRHozb6+g9EiBqLtjzbhzl5 X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxTnXJKicEo99Fu/nddlzwSxd7gyt3JRQWoZawPlqoZxw4CECjNeqNmvQVxoaaQ3Q3HmZBngblx2wmmCeNVOuc= X-Received: by 2002:a63:370c:: with SMTP id e12mr665438pga.359.1634754439002; Wed, 20 Oct 2021 11:27:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Wed, 20 Oct 2021 11:27:18 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <7515ECD1-3EF8-4B74-923C-B689DEB347BB@shaw.ca> (Ian Nehera's message of "Tue, 19 Oct 2021 11:13:54 -0700") References: <001E06F1-5371-4644-9575-C5DC220D12FC@shaw.ca> <834k9hif88.fsf@gnu.org> <838rysgp0x.fsf@gnu.org> <875ytun5u7.fsf@gnus.org> <12456E2A-4D8C-41AA-A40D-B4EB9B0E2DC0@shaw.ca> <83y26pd9pb.fsf@gnu.org> <7515ECD1-3EF8-4B74-923C-B689DEB347BB@shaw.ca> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 11:27:18 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#51236: 27.2/28 small typos/faq correction? To: Ian Nehera Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 51236 Cc: 51236@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , Lars Ingebrigtsen X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Ian Nehera writes: >> I thought you said that what it said wasn't incorrect? Then why >> change it? > > I just thought it was odd that the manuals/tutorial all listed =E2=80=98C= -y=E2=80=99 as the > main way to yank text but then the FAQ suddenly says =E2=80=98M-y=E2=80= =99. If you > see no issue with it then forget I said anything. I think this is just a keybinding in isearch that is more convenient to use than C-y/M-y. Are there any other issues to resolve here, or can this bug be closed? 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From: Ian Nehera In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 13:44:48 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <001E06F1-5371-4644-9575-C5DC220D12FC@shaw.ca> <834k9hif88.fsf@gnu.org> <838rysgp0x.fsf@gnu.org> <875ytun5u7.fsf@gnus.org> <12456E2A-4D8C-41AA-A40D-B4EB9B0E2DC0@shaw.ca> <83y26pd9pb.fsf@gnu.org> <7515ECD1-3EF8-4B74-923C-B689DEB347BB@shaw.ca> To: Stefan Kangas X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.21) X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4xfDzNrDu1+Hb5+dpesXPMMY3Hv75Ev+1EjCaB6HfvZzpgg3Sz2coxuMaBgDCrQA/qQuo6UcakpfkBCCemvPuFMO+dScdz4NxzyRl+8ftu3co/4aUvCqMh KgTvNHwfXT2FaC+EsvJs1fsh/WnH564On1CY8Z0mLBVXVU+cHO1fkAM1Ric61Vyq0ePaBVxi808wMbJxKyUK0A1c14e6gBv8jCWLL25XN+VNH44IXdt0bgJN Qy1+kvzwOknFS11jJsk/tQtixVBkrHTD4Ho//eEhcHw= X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 51236 Cc: 51236@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , Lars Ingebrigtsen X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) It can be closed, thanks for the responses. Ian > On Oct 20, 2021, at 11:27 AM, Stefan Kangas wrote: >=20 > Ian Nehera writes: >=20 >>> I thought you said that what it said wasn't incorrect? Then why >>> change it? >>=20 >> I just thought it was odd that the manuals/tutorial all listed = =E2=80=98C-y=E2=80=99 as the >> main way to yank text but then the FAQ suddenly says =E2=80=98M-y=E2=80= =99. If you >> see no issue with it then forget I said anything. >=20 > I think this is just a keybinding in isearch that is more convenient = to > use than C-y/M-y. >=20 > Are there any other issues to resolve here, or can this bug be closed? 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To: Ian Nehera Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 51236 Cc: 51236@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , Lars Ingebrigtsen X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) close 51236 28.1 thanks Ian Nehera writes: > It can be closed, thanks for the responses. I'm therefore closing this bug report. Thanks again for the bug report! From unknown Tue Jun 17 01:48:29 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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