From unknown Fri Jun 20 07:10:16 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#51217 <51217@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#51217 <51217@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 28.0.60; Use "graphical displays" instead of "X terminals" in docs Reply-To: bug#51217 <51217@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2025 14:10:16 +0000 retitle 51217 28.0.60; Use "graphical displays" instead of "X terminals" in= docs reassign 51217 emacs submitter 51217 Stefan Kangas severity 51217 wishlist tag 51217 patch thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 14 19:46:10 2021 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Oct 2021 23:46:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37353 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mbAQM-0005oW-Br for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Oct 2021 19:46:10 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:47220) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mbAQI-0005oH-He for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Oct 2021 19:46:08 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:34492) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mbAQE-0002af-GY for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Oct 2021 19:46:04 -0400 Received: from mail-pg1-f170.google.com ([209.85.215.170]:35531) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mbAQB-0006xs-N2 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 14 Oct 2021 19:46:01 -0400 Received: by mail-pg1-f170.google.com with SMTP id e7so6976864pgk.2 for ; Thu, 14 Oct 2021 16:45:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=JkSnVJu8qwNLMhNXFUCsNvlNhf77i0/BUb5ZoB76joE=; b=Htrb6+SgxSEdQX6Kyv/MDozCsIDdJZA5n6GhurXgg+lbMFQu4bNRLhq5i6WAX6u6i9 0eKI+2obtigkkkRP5YA2paY2ThKE1fW0k8AUVuWwWJhvqG08n1WzdeNpOl1gmDpHdtXu xOAssDSuzsJK1XdL5BcJLxk208a+kxVs86sgWo34Z1wOWjeQfPSeC8/c9VF0PB293qRL ZCGH9AiTnTDcaIRtWYuUgASw24PzE02ZrmNAjCatSf1ueFdOy0nnve6XTPhfrAeUFymc j5FXcNYVPEgqzxpMHq17egoOhCQmrOqiulommUKs4TJadm5ggV+lLHpX/NLE3j5KoSQ0 oPYw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530bGwQedi3dT5KN90CCoaSDqnaqEL+iOTstjgZG37hhQEzsNe// ssGQ8DCccZSiR/tswdxv8wdKJMV69W1CSIe82N2zt1MR X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxO1qIMwb5akgSyUsC5pjKJJQ8mlgDbtkczGFs1TtxCn9HnuQkfdNPx4K//v8MspLLFsd2RWMDWEJ/7FoKRceQ= X-Received: by 2002:a63:7559:: with SMTP id f25mr3907651pgn.114.1634255158029; Thu, 14 Oct 2021 16:45:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Thu, 14 Oct 2021 16:45:57 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 16:45:57 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: 28.0.60; Use "graphical displays" instead of "X terminals" in docs To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0000000000002acb4d05ce58ae6e" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=209.85.215.170; envelope-from=stefankangas@gmail.com; helo=mail-pg1-f170.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -13 X-Spam_score: -1.4 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.8 (-) --0000000000002acb4d05ce58ae6e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Severity: wishlist In (info "(elisp) Other Char Bits"), I read: Emacs uses the 2**25 bit to indicate that the shift key was used in typing a control character. This distinction is possible only when you use X terminals or other special terminals; ordinary text terminals do not report the distinction. Can we change "when you use X terminals or other special terminals" to "on a graphical display"? See the attached patch that also fixes some other similar cases. --0000000000002acb4d05ce58ae6e Content-Type: text/x-diff; charset="US-ASCII"; name="0001-Prefer-graphical-displays-to-X-terminals.patch" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="0001-Prefer-graphical-displays-to-X-terminals.patch" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 X-Attachment-Id: 8c66701309b6ada9_0.1 RnJvbSBmODhkNmU3MTU5NDhiODA5NTJmMzRkZTJlYzVlYWZiY2NjYTkyZDcwIE1vbiBTZXAgMTcg MDA6MDA6MDAgMjAwMQpGcm9tOiBTdGVmYW4gS2FuZ2FzIDxzdGVmYW5AbWFyeGlzdC5zZT4KRGF0 ZTogRnJpLCAxNSBPY3QgMjAyMSAwMToyNDozNiArMDIwMApTdWJqZWN0OiBbUEFUQ0hdIFByZWZl ciAiZ3JhcGhpY2FsIGRpc3BsYXlzIiB0byAiWCB0ZXJtaW5hbHMiCgoqIGRvYy9saXNwcmVmL29i amVjdHMudGV4aSAoT3RoZXIgQ2hhciBCaXRzKToKKiBsaXNwL2JpbmRpbmdzLmVsOgoqIGxpc3Av Z251cy9nbnVzLXVuZG8uZWwgKGdudXMtdW5kby1tb2RlLW1hcCk6IFNheSAiZ3JhcGhpY2FsIGRp c3BsYXkiCmluc3RlYWQgb2YgIlggdGVybWluYWwiOyB0aGUgbGF0dGVyIHRlcm0gaXMgYXJjaGFp Yy4KCiogZG9jL2xpc3ByZWYvb2JqZWN0cy50ZXhpIChDdGwtQ2hhciBTeW50YXgpOiBTYXkgInRl eHQgdGVybWluYWwiCmluc3RlYWQgb2YgIm9yZGluYXJ5IHRleHQgdGVybWluYWwiOyBtb3N0IHVz ZXJzIHVzZSBhIGdyYXBoaWNhbApkaXNwbGF5IHRoZXNlIGRheXMuCi0tLQogZG9jL2xpc3ByZWYv b2JqZWN0cy50ZXhpIHwgMTUgKysrKysrKy0tLS0tLS0tCiBsaXNwL2JpbmRpbmdzLmVsICAgICAg ICAgfCAgMiArLQogbGlzcC9nbnVzL2dudXMtdW5kby5lbCAgIHwgIDIgKy0KIDMgZmlsZXMgY2hh bmdlZCwgOSBpbnNlcnRpb25zKCspLCAxMCBkZWxldGlvbnMoLSkKCmRpZmYgLS1naXQgYS9kb2Mv bGlzcHJlZi9vYmplY3RzLnRleGkgYi9kb2MvbGlzcHJlZi9vYmplY3RzLnRleGkKaW5kZXggMzY1 ZDVhYzhkNi4uNDk5ZmE3ODg3NiAxMDA2NDQKLS0tIGEvZG9jL2xpc3ByZWYvb2JqZWN0cy50ZXhp CisrKyBiL2RvYy9saXNwcmVmL29iamVjdHMudGV4aQpAQCAtNTE2LDkgKzUxNiw5IEBAIEN0bC1D aGFyIFN5bnRheAogMioqMjYKIEBlbmQgaWZub3R0ZXgKIGJpdCBhcyB3ZWxsIGFzIHRoZSBjb2Rl IGZvciB0aGUgY29ycmVzcG9uZGluZyBub24tY29udHJvbCBjaGFyYWN0ZXIuCi1PcmRpbmFyeSB0 ZXh0IHRlcm1pbmFscyBoYXZlIG5vIHdheSBvZiBnZW5lcmF0aW5nIG5vbi1AYWNyb255bXtBU0NJ SX0KLWNvbnRyb2wgY2hhcmFjdGVycywgYnV0IHlvdSBjYW4gZ2VuZXJhdGUgdGhlbSBzdHJhaWdo dGZvcndhcmRseSB1c2luZwotWCBhbmQgb3RoZXIgd2luZG93IHN5c3RlbXMuCitUZXh0IHRlcm1p bmFscyBoYXZlIG5vIHdheSBvZiBnZW5lcmF0aW5nIG5vbi1AYWNyb255bXtBU0NJSX0gY29udHJv bAorY2hhcmFjdGVycywgYnV0IHlvdSBjYW4gZ2VuZXJhdGUgdGhlbSBzdHJhaWdodGZvcndhcmRs eSB1c2luZyBYIGFuZAorb3RoZXIgd2luZG93IHN5c3RlbXMuCiAKICAgRm9yIGhpc3RvcmljYWwg cmVhc29ucywgRW1hY3MgdHJlYXRzIHRoZSBAa2V5e0RFTH0gY2hhcmFjdGVyIGFzCiB0aGUgY29u dHJvbCBlcXVpdmFsZW50IG9mIEBrYmR7P306CkBAIC01ODgsMTEgKzU4OCwxMCBAQCBPdGhlciBD aGFyIEJpdHMKIDIqKjI1CiBAZW5kIGlmbm90dGV4CiBiaXQgdG8gaW5kaWNhdGUgdGhhdCB0aGUg c2hpZnQga2V5IHdhcyB1c2VkIGluIHR5cGluZyBhIGNvbnRyb2wKLWNoYXJhY3Rlci4gIFRoaXMg ZGlzdGluY3Rpb24gaXMgcG9zc2libGUgb25seSB3aGVuIHlvdSB1c2UgWCB0ZXJtaW5hbHMKLW9y IG90aGVyIHNwZWNpYWwgdGVybWluYWxzOyBvcmRpbmFyeSB0ZXh0IHRlcm1pbmFscyBkbyBub3Qg cmVwb3J0IHRoZQotZGlzdGluY3Rpb24uICBUaGUgTGlzcCBzeW50YXggZm9yIHRoZSBzaGlmdCBi aXQgaXMgQHNhbXB7XFMtfTsgdGh1cywKLUBzYW1wez9cQy1cUy1vfSBvciBAc2FtcHs/XEMtXFMt T30gcmVwcmVzZW50cyB0aGUgc2hpZnRlZC1jb250cm9sLW8KLWNoYXJhY3Rlci4KK2NoYXJhY3Rl ci4gIFRoaXMgZGlzdGluY3Rpb24gaXMgcG9zc2libGUgb25seSBvbiBhIGdyYXBoaWNhbCBkaXNw bGF5OwordGV4dCB0ZXJtaW5hbHMgZG8gbm90IHJlcG9ydCB0aGUgZGlzdGluY3Rpb24uICBUaGUg TGlzcCBzeW50YXggZm9yIHRoZQorc2hpZnQgYml0IGlzIEBzYW1we1xTLX07IHRodXMsIEBzYW1w ez9cQy1cUy1vfSBvciBAc2FtcHs/XEMtXFMtT30KK3JlcHJlc2VudHMgdGhlIHNoaWZ0ZWQtY29u dHJvbC1vIGNoYXJhY3Rlci4KIAogQGNpbmRleCBoeXBlciBjaGFyYWN0ZXJzCiBAY2luZGV4IHN1 cGVyIGNoYXJhY3RlcnMKZGlmZiAtLWdpdCBhL2xpc3AvYmluZGluZ3MuZWwgYi9saXNwL2JpbmRp bmdzLmVsCmluZGV4IDJjNDU3MTBhNTguLjMwM2EwM2IwZmEgMTAwNjQ0Ci0tLSBhL2xpc3AvYmlu ZGluZ3MuZWwKKysrIGIvbGlzcC9iaW5kaW5ncy5lbApAQCAtOTgxLDcgKzk4MSw3IEBAIGN0bC14 LW1hcAogKGRlZmluZS1rZXkgY3RsLXgtbWFwICJcTS06IiAncmVwZWF0LWNvbXBsZXgtY29tbWFu ZCkKIChkZWZpbmUta2V5IGN0bC14LW1hcCAidSIgJ3VuZG8pCiAocHV0ICd1bmRvIDphZHZlcnRp c2VkLWJpbmRpbmcgWz9cQy14ID91XSkKLTs7IE1hbnkgcGVvcGxlIGFyZSB1c2VkIHRvIHR5cGlu ZyBDLS8gb24gWCB0ZXJtaW5hbHMgYW5kIGdldHRpbmcgQy1fLgorOzsgTWFueSBwZW9wbGUgYXJl IHVzZWQgdG8gdHlwaW5nIEMtLyBvbiBncmFwaGljYWwgZGlzcGxheXMgYW5kIGdldHRpbmcgQy1f LgogKGRlZmluZS1rZXkgZ2xvYmFsLW1hcCBbP1xDLS9dICd1bmRvKQogKGRlZmluZS1rZXkgZ2xv YmFsLW1hcCAiXEMtXyIgJ3VuZG8pCiA7OyBSaWNoYXJkIHNhaWQgdGhhdCB3ZSBzaG91bGQgbm90 IHVzZSBDLXggPHVwcGVyY2FzZSBsZXR0ZXI+IGFuZCBJIGhhdmUKZGlmZiAtLWdpdCBhL2xpc3Av Z251cy9nbnVzLXVuZG8uZWwgYi9saXNwL2dudXMvZ251cy11bmRvLmVsCmluZGV4IDE4MmM4NzQz ZTAuLmJhMDFiNDlmYWYgMTAwNjQ0Ci0tLSBhL2xpc3AvZ251cy9nbnVzLXVuZG8uZWwKKysrIGIv bGlzcC9nbnVzL2dudXMtdW5kby5lbApAQCAtNzksNyArNzksNyBAQCBnbnVzLXVuZG8tbW9kZS1t YXAKICAgIlxNLVxDLV8iICMnZ251cy11bmRvCiAgICJcQy1fIiAjJ2dudXMtdW5kbwogICAiXEMt eHUiICMnZ251cy11bmRvCi0gIDs7IG1hbnkgcGVvcGxlIGFyZSB1c2VkIHRvIHR5cGUgYEMtLycg b24gWCB0ZXJtaW5hbHMgYW5kIGdldCBgQy1fJy4KKyAgOzsgbWFueSBwZW9wbGUgYXJlIHVzZWQg dG8gdHlwZSBgQy0vJyBvbiBncmFwaGljYWwgZGlzcGxheXMgYW5kIGdldCBgQy1fJy4KICAgWyhj b250cm9sIC8pXSAjJ2dudXMtdW5kbykKIAogKGRlZnVuIGdudXMtdW5kby1tYWtlLW1lbnUtYmFy ICgpCi0tIAoyLjMwLjIKCg== --0000000000002acb4d05ce58ae6e-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Oct 15 02:46:32 2021 Received: (at 51217) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Oct 2021 06:46:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37874 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mbGz9-0007U9-QT for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Oct 2021 02:46:32 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:59646) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mbGz8-0007Tt-11 for 51217@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Oct 2021 02:46:30 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:49776) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mbGz2-0007f9-HU; Fri, 15 Oct 2021 02:46:24 -0400 Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=1537 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mbGz2-0007Co-4m; Fri, 15 Oct 2021 02:46:24 -0400 Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 09:46:23 +0300 Message-Id: <83k0iekcow.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Thu, 14 Oct 2021 16:45:57 -0700) Subject: Re: bug#51217: 28.0.60; Use "graphical displays" instead of "X terminals" in docs References: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 51217 Cc: 51217@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2021 16:45:57 -0700 > > In (info "(elisp) Other Char Bits"), I read: > > Emacs uses the 2**25 bit to indicate that the shift key > was used in typing a control character. This distinction is possible > only when you use X terminals or other special terminals; ordinary text > terminals do not report the distinction. > > Can we change "when you use X terminals or other special terminals" to > "on a graphical display"? Something like that, yes. > -Ordinary text terminals have no way of generating non-@acronym{ASCII} > -control characters, but you can generate them straightforwardly using > -X and other window systems. > +Text terminals have no way of generating non-@acronym{ASCII} control > +characters, but you can generate them straightforwardly using X and > +other window systems. I think this paragraph is no longer true, at least not universally, on modern text-mode terminals -- assuming we include text-terminal emulators. So I suggest to say something like Not all text terminals have a way of generating non-@acronym{ASCII} control characters, but you can generate them straightforwardly using X and other window systems. > bit to indicate that the shift key was used in typing a control > -character. This distinction is possible only when you use X terminals > -or other special terminals; ordinary text terminals do not report the > -distinction. The Lisp syntax for the shift bit is @samp{\S-}; thus, > -@samp{?\C-\S-o} or @samp{?\C-\S-O} represents the shifted-control-o > -character. > +character. This distinction is possible only on a graphical display; I'd prefer to keep the reference to X, something like This distinction is possible only when you use a graphical display, such as a GUI display on X. > -;; Many people are used to typing C-/ on X terminals and getting C-_. > +;; Many people are used to typing C-/ on graphical displays and getting C-_. In code comments, I'd prefer to use "GUI frames" instead. it's shorter and more accurate, IMO. > - ;; many people are used to type `C-/' on X terminals and get `C-_'. > + ;; many people are used to type `C-/' on graphical displays and get `C-_'. Likewise. Thanks. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Oct 15 05:05:36 2021 Received: (at 51217) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Oct 2021 09:05:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38069 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mbJ9k-0002i3-89 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Oct 2021 05:05:36 -0400 Received: from mail-pl1-f172.google.com ([209.85.214.172]:44778) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mbJ9i-0002hr-Mx for 51217@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Oct 2021 05:05:35 -0400 Received: by mail-pl1-f172.google.com with SMTP id t11so5983752plq.11 for <51217@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 15 Oct 2021 02:05:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=XOUOwxpshRk/OigX7WxqdJJ9zz+JVYByRAEg0TgWXjE=; b=WHqJKwmNHf9XnNp0cPgpsI1yhRZE91latADLYeZF2pOmiph1o4SsZQw8ha0YAdGgGA sefEl5KiDmsdJX4F/Xg6TU3jNlE/f3scK/L/AhafqRZ1FZ5HG31BkJ084mcJpsE4XbIw 5znpFM6vsNfk6UdeGFfmWwjE4h99yjozo+l1tFNV1u5aCBWbOe6+cxiGA1X6vE/4ksMC h/tCR519W+efBzxTD5dJdB+OfTi6GmjnAApibTPwpJzZG2bX1HOIdmBVQHaVA4oku9WI +IkJhUp4Pieg/imoZMIpz7MfH+20zJcQJ97comhQXAm07hqMduRq68YKReRoikaid3AU iagw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531WqzfoTToMgk//22nhs6ZQLGC7V3UQkuf+gptr91RIq7MEx9xt kcfEkU48KQv978uKwlouRnpY7CrcpPEU1Pc/qFWgLiA/ X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwdSb9clhdVrU10H5lffRr21VbuvvtGcF34twHaWBYNis5Gtb/HjHQOWgDPOCEInw3M39lNGOTpXDixdUrjXBQ= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:c70d:: with SMTP id o13mr26522837pjt.143.1634288728889; Fri, 15 Oct 2021 02:05:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Fri, 15 Oct 2021 04:05:27 -0500 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <83k0iekcow.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83k0iekcow.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2021 04:05:27 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#51217: 28.0.60; Use "graphical displays" instead of "X terminals" in docs To: Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="000000000000257ae805ce607f90" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 51217 Cc: 51217@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) --000000000000257ae805ce607f90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Eli Zaretskii writes: > Not all text terminals have a way of generating non-@acronym{ASCII} > control characters, but you can generate them straightforwardly > using X and other window systems. Thanks, I went with this variation: Not all text terminals can generate non-@acronym{ASCII} control characters, but it is straightforward to generate them using X and other window systems. > I'd prefer to keep the reference to X, something like > > This distinction is possible only when you use a graphical display, > such as a GUI display on X. Fixed. >> -;; Many people are used to typing C-/ on X terminals and getting C-_. >> +;; Many people are used to typing C-/ on graphical displays and getting C-_. > > In code comments, I'd prefer to use "GUI frames" instead. it's > shorter and more accurate, IMO. Fixed in both cases. 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Updated patch attached. Thanks, this LGTM. 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Updated patch attached. > > Thanks, this LGTM. Thanks, pushed to emacs-28 as commit b5a0eda978. From unknown Fri Jun 20 07:10:16 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2021 12:24:04 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator