From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:42:43 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#51032: 29.0.50; Choices for blink-matching-paren Resent-From: Arash Esbati Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2021 12:19:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 51032 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 51032@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: emacs-bugs Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.163343633424738 (code B ref -1); Tue, 05 Oct 2021 12:19:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Oct 2021 12:18:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39240 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mXjPK-0006Qw-9D for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Oct 2021 08:18:54 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:45284) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mXjPH-0006Qk-Ai for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Oct 2021 08:18:53 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:45172) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mXjPG-0004KX-1p for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Oct 2021 08:18:50 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:35590) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mXjPF-0004Gb-PV for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Oct 2021 08:18:49 -0400 Received: from p4fe3eb24.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([79.227.235.36]:63576 helo=MUTANT) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mXjPF-0006nJ-Fm for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 05 Oct 2021 08:18:49 -0400 From: Arash Esbati Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2021 14:18:35 +0200 Message-ID: <86o8831x7o.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Hi all, `blink-matching-paren' is defined as: (defcustom blink-matching-paren t "Non-nil means show matching open-paren when close-paren is inserted. If t, highlight the paren. If `jump', briefly move cursor to its position. If `jump-offscreen', move cursor there even if the position is off screen. With any other non-nil value, the off-screen position of the opening paren will be shown in the echo area." :type '(choice (const :tag "Disable" nil) (const :tag "Highlight" t) (const :tag "Move cursor" jump) (const :tag "Move cursor, even if off screen" jump-offscreen)) :group 'paren-blinking) Is there a specific reason why users cannot choose this feature With any other non-nil value, the off-screen position of the opening paren will be shown in the echo area. via customize interface? Currently, one has to do (setq blink-matching-paren 'show) in the init file to get that behavior. Or am I missing something? 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Tue, 5 Oct 2021 14:25:16 +0000 Received: by kubenode505.mail-prod1.omega.ir2.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 7f8ff7302cbd24e6a6e05a3ea1a6b720; Tue, 05 Oct 2021 14:25:11 +0000 (UTC) From: Daniel =?UTF-8?Q?Mart=C3=ADn?= References: <86o8831x7o.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2021 16:25:10 +0200 In-Reply-To: <86o8831x7o.fsf@gnu.org> (Arash Esbati's message of "Tue, 05 Oct 2021 14:18:35 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.19076 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 660 X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) Arash Esbati writes: > > Is there a specific reason why users cannot choose this feature > > With any other non-nil value, the off-screen position of the opening > paren will be shown in the echo area. > > via customize interface? Currently, one has to do > > (setq blink-matching-paren 'show) > > in the init file to get that behavior. Or am I missing something? > I wonder if the documentation is correct. The off-screen position of an open paren is shown in the echo area when the variable is non-nil and not 'jump-offscreen (and of course the open paren is off-screen). I don't see how 'show is treated differently than t. From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:42:43 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#51032: 29.0.50; Choices for blink-matching-paren Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2021 17:11:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 51032 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Arash Esbati Cc: 51032@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 51032-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B51032.163345386018621 (code B ref 51032); Tue, 05 Oct 2021 17:11:01 +0000 Received: (at 51032) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Oct 2021 17:11:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41813 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mXny0-0004qG-8X for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Oct 2021 13:11:00 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:52354) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mXnxy-0004q0-8y for 51032@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Oct 2021 13:10:58 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:46768) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mXnxr-0003zD-Bw for 51032@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Oct 2021 13:10:51 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:2270 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mXnxB-0007Vp-Pk; Tue, 05 Oct 2021 13:10:31 -0400 Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2021 20:10:00 +0300 Message-Id: <831r4z4cuv.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <86o8831x7o.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Arash Esbati on Tue, 05 Oct 2021 14:18:35 +0200) References: <86o8831x7o.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Arash Esbati > Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2021 14:18:35 +0200 > > (defcustom blink-matching-paren t > "Non-nil means show matching open-paren when close-paren is inserted. > If t, highlight the paren. If `jump', briefly move cursor to its > position. If `jump-offscreen', move cursor there even if the > position is off screen. With any other non-nil value, the > off-screen position of the opening paren will be shown in the > echo area." > :type '(choice > (const :tag "Disable" nil) > (const :tag "Highlight" t) > (const :tag "Move cursor" jump) > (const :tag "Move cursor, even if off screen" jump-offscreen)) > :group 'paren-blinking) > > Is there a specific reason why users cannot choose this feature > > With any other non-nil value, the off-screen position of the opening > paren will be shown in the echo area. > > via customize interface? Obviously, because when the variable was made a defcustom, no one bothered to include that, and no one did since then. Patches welcome. From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:42:43 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#51032: 29.0.50; Choices for blink-matching-paren Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2021 21:24:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 51032 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Daniel =?UTF-8?Q?Mart=C3=ADn?= Cc: Arash Esbati , 51032@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 51032-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B51032.163346901211243 (code B ref 51032); Tue, 05 Oct 2021 21:24:01 +0000 Received: (at 51032) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Oct 2021 21:23:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41988 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mXruO-0002vB-63 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Oct 2021 17:23:32 -0400 Received: from mail-pj1-f50.google.com ([209.85.216.50]:52220) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mXruK-0002um-UM for 51032@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Oct 2021 17:23:30 -0400 Received: by mail-pj1-f50.google.com with SMTP id kk10so613998pjb.1 for <51032@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 05 Oct 2021 14:23:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to:cc :content-transfer-encoding; bh=4nSr+WSdF8xsv4JjcnEzswxaJZdQJYBHnkGZopxRt1M=; b=FQ1U3ajGia5fzY5/DYJ77bhWS3ygQEr9T/jcSldtS3tUXQlTFwINSEc82QuW8Uv8Sq VFTmRqGx8OHSbLZedOsD8sqWA3bq8ftt260qmT5MjcokQOu0OvrfNG8XULB95AS3vT+/ aTimypwlzTTv+e+7ZYXNALDQHlSsFZE0tA7Lu4oYv+q6HquK1j1QsCzGJSeG4VpR9G0i nZLAqShS9fH4yKn8wPQvvdzgvn8xp7mvN5SvEdE3t42WZXbCOAgM6yIplg44iCEKiZ+V 5lK9BlP2ctyWL4nLwhstEtczi9c+0/8ARJ/EcgOuaG+f1vZvS/B7egVV0Dk1TpC+LFaD AUHw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531Zd2cuXWttqU0ts6hautCXFi4kItbNxJG6J3XL8xUuscX351Zt SKDbVmWniLgonmzwPjHzft4jJoCDu0uBHsidtAc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJx0Fjg9EZTCy+fUpFEczpeBAFL8L057+OdcuT5hVA3KAiL7NJs3Zk28pHXnUieOJj8QNtaxMkm37p/swU7SYBo= X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:7611:b0:13e:ce2e:1f85 with SMTP id k17-20020a170902761100b0013ece2e1f85mr7397868pll.22.1633469002955; Tue, 05 Oct 2021 14:23:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Tue, 5 Oct 2021 17:23:22 -0400 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: ("Daniel =?UTF-8?Q?Mart=C3=ADn?="'s message of "Tue, 05 Oct 2021 16:25:10 +0200") References: <86o8831x7o.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2021 17:23:22 -0400 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) close 51032 28.1 thanks Daniel Mart=C3=ADn writes: > Arash Esbati writes: > >> >> Is there a specific reason why users cannot choose this feature >> >> With any other non-nil value, the off-screen position of the opening >> paren will be shown in the echo area. >> >> via customize interface? Currently, one has to do >> >> (setq blink-matching-paren 'show) >> >> in the init file to get that behavior. Or am I missing something? >> Thanks for the bug report. > I wonder if the documentation is correct. The off-screen position of an > open paren is shown in the echo area when the variable is non-nil and > not 'jump-offscreen (and of course the open paren is off-screen). > > I don't see how 'show is treated differently than t. Yup, there is no particular behavior associated with `show'. Valid choices here include nil, t, `jump', and `jump-offscreen', and while the last one will move the cursor off screen, t and jump will only show the position in the echo area. I have now fixed this on master (commit b2c50d7cf3) with the below patch. This change will be a part of the upcoming Emacs 28.1. diff --git a/lisp/simple.el b/lisp/simple.el index 3695415163..459fc67944 100644 --- a/lisp/simple.el +++ b/lisp/simple.el @@ -8419,11 +8419,16 @@ paren-blinking (defcustom blink-matching-paren t "Non-nil means show matching open-paren when close-paren is inserted. -If t, highlight the paren. If `jump', briefly move cursor to its -position. If `jump-offscreen', move cursor there even if the -position is off screen. With any other non-nil value, the -off-screen position of the opening paren will be shown in the -echo area." +In addition, if the opening paren is not visible on screen, show +its position in the echo area. + +The valid values are: + + nil Disable. + non-nil Highlight the opening paren. + `jump' Briefly move cursor to its position. + `jump-offscreen' Briefly move cursor to its position, + even if the opening paren is not on screen." :type '(choice (const :tag "Disable" nil) (const :tag "Highlight" t) From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:42:43 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#51032: 29.0.50; Choices for blink-matching-paren Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2021 12:07:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 51032 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stefan Kangas Cc: arash@gnu.org, 51032@debbugs.gnu.org, mardani29@yahoo.es Received: via spool by 51032-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B51032.163352200822097 (code B ref 51032); Wed, 06 Oct 2021 12:07:02 +0000 Received: (at 51032) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Oct 2021 12:06:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42853 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mY5h9-0005kL-Vg for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Oct 2021 08:06:48 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:50100) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mY5h7-0005k7-85 for 51032@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Oct 2021 08:06:46 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:47266) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mY5h1-00064h-Mh; Wed, 06 Oct 2021 08:06:39 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:3981 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mY5gz-000562-K5; Wed, 06 Oct 2021 08:06:38 -0400 Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2021 15:06:31 +0300 Message-Id: <83mtnm2w8o.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Tue, 5 Oct 2021 17:23:22 -0400) References: <86o8831x7o.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2021 17:23:22 -0400 > Cc: Arash Esbati , 51032@debbugs.gnu.org > > > I wonder if the documentation is correct. The off-screen position of an > > open paren is shown in the echo area when the variable is non-nil and > > not 'jump-offscreen (and of course the open paren is off-screen). > > > > I don't see how 'show is treated differently than t. > > Yup, there is no particular behavior associated with `show'. > > Valid choices here include nil, t, `jump', and `jump-offscreen', and > while the last one will move the cursor off screen, t and jump will only > show the position in the echo area. And 'show' (or 'foo', or any other non-nil value) does NOT show the matching paren in the echo area when that position is off-screen? It does here, FWIW. > (defcustom blink-matching-paren t > "Non-nil means show matching open-paren when close-paren is inserted. > -If t, highlight the paren. If `jump', briefly move cursor to its > -position. If `jump-offscreen', move cursor there even if the > -position is off screen. With any other non-nil value, the > -off-screen position of the opening paren will be shown in the > -echo area." > +In addition, if the opening paren is not visible on screen, show > +its position in the echo area. > + > +The valid values are: > + > + nil Disable. > + non-nil Highlight the opening paren. > + `jump' Briefly move cursor to its position. ^^^ What does "its" there allude to? > + `jump-offscreen' Briefly move cursor to its position, Likewise. > + even if the opening paren is not on screen." This doesn't update the choices, which is what the original bug report was about. And I think the new doc string is incomplete, because you removed the information about showing matches that are far away in the echo-area. From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:42:43 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#51032: 29.0.50; Choices for blink-matching-paren Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2021 18:11:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 51032 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: arash@gnu.org, 51032@debbugs.gnu.org, mardani29@yahoo.es Received: via spool by 51032-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B51032.16335438544569 (code B ref 51032); Wed, 06 Oct 2021 18:11:01 +0000 Received: (at 51032) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Oct 2021 18:10:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45428 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mYBNW-0001Bd-Bg for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Oct 2021 14:10:54 -0400 Received: from mail-pj1-f44.google.com ([209.85.216.44]:45704) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mYBNT-0001BO-BA for 51032@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Oct 2021 14:10:52 -0400 Received: by mail-pj1-f44.google.com with SMTP id ls14-20020a17090b350e00b001a00e2251c8so3020695pjb.4 for <51032@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 06 Oct 2021 11:10:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=QfGuGOzZCdl2ZzmwwS4aLlliUZYnIx5tk7OZdf2yV10=; b=uMSE7elyjfwEpcgbg7J+puiCa+yYJL7iaX2ICCXrEP2hvPWfYb993hDU/sYsSuJbTs j8r+Nujo1+q8kIGjf3+8+mMHwHZck8NETa8PL1IaSz8OMerg4mXhKt//06sirOJWUIz1 I1uj7A8hnnSvgfgTPIha6iGH1pp2fBpg+6WCItGZC3yP3AcAaPgNzyqgMpfyXwTCIVFV 8Qw2xCE9gek/SoQXY/qEP6T7Q4q2F5BtFJyHBv7ZQtVjOMz3FOAePWNWbFbWOlPi0DfG Vzli5LoLa5TmQ/uv0SdydWjEq/0MvVLyg/xKm+hqSFEW7DaKpLLk1wioOKA0QDn+lIT1 5Dyw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5329AdjQEns0DMsetsmVCN07miqZEsoAaP89iDa1xjXC7jB+6rBz N6bQySGg+h30Jomvn4Z0HJMHUxMzdO3luaCTEgE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzsD538cfbROkAQ+uZBATmIZMKelGAZtVqwvysCxdrQN7oA3uo0vyuItbGnbQDyVm8KXiSFK2hOlYbyuRXvX0E= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:460a:: with SMTP id w10mr195300pjg.132.1633543845696; Wed, 06 Oct 2021 11:10:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Wed, 6 Oct 2021 14:10:45 -0400 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <83mtnm2w8o.fsf@gnu.org> References: <86o8831x7o.fsf@gnu.org> <83mtnm2w8o.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2021 14:10:45 -0400 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Eli Zaretskii writes: > And 'show' (or 'foo', or any other non-nil value) does NOT show the > matching paren in the echo area when that position is off-screen? It > does here, FWIW. The behavior you see should be explained in the new docstring. Did you miss this part in the diff? +In addition, if the opening paren is not visible on screen, show +its position in the echo area. >> (defcustom blink-matching-paren t >> "Non-nil means show matching open-paren when close-paren is inserted. >> -If t, highlight the paren. If `jump', briefly move cursor to its >> -position. If `jump-offscreen', move cursor there even if the >> -position is off screen. With any other non-nil value, the >> -off-screen position of the opening paren will be shown in the >> -echo area." >> +In addition, if the opening paren is not visible on screen, show >> +its position in the echo area. >> + >> +The valid values are: >> + >> + nil Disable. >> + non-nil Highlight the opening paren. >> + `jump' Briefly move cursor to its position. > ^^^ > What does "its" there allude to? > >> + `jump-offscreen' Briefly move cursor to its position, > > Likewise. The opening paren. What "it" refers to is on the previous line. I don't think this is unclear, but I don't object if you want to improve it. >> + even if the opening paren is not on screen." > > This doesn't update the choices, which is what the original bug report > was about. Yes it does, by changing t to non-nil. Or maybe I don't understand what you are saying. > And I think the new doc string is incomplete, because you > removed the information about showing matches that are far away in the > echo-area. I think you missed a sentence, see above. From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:42:43 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#51032: 29.0.50; Choices for blink-matching-paren Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2021 18:24:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 51032 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stefan Kangas Cc: arash@gnu.org, 51032@debbugs.gnu.org, mardani29@yahoo.es Received: via spool by 51032-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B51032.16335446345898 (code B ref 51032); Wed, 06 Oct 2021 18:24:01 +0000 Received: (at 51032) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Oct 2021 18:23:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45465 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mYBa5-0001X4-NL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Oct 2021 14:23:53 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:60840) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mYBa3-0001Wo-Ac for 51032@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Oct 2021 14:23:52 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:36212) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mYBZx-0001AS-SE; Wed, 06 Oct 2021 14:23:45 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:3905 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mYBZx-0007EA-Cz; Wed, 06 Oct 2021 14:23:45 -0400 Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2021 21:23:37 +0300 Message-Id: <8335pe2es6.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Wed, 6 Oct 2021 14:10:45 -0400) References: <86o8831x7o.fsf@gnu.org> <83mtnm2w8o.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2021 14:10:45 -0400 > Cc: mardani29@yahoo.es, arash@gnu.org, 51032@debbugs.gnu.org > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > And 'show' (or 'foo', or any other non-nil value) does NOT show the > > matching paren in the echo area when that position is off-screen? It > > does here, FWIW. > > The behavior you see should be explained in the new docstring. Did you > miss this part in the diff? > > +In addition, if the opening paren is not visible on screen, show > +its position in the echo area. But that's incorrect, because it doesn't happen when the value is 'jump' or 'jump-offscreen'. The "in addition" part makes it sound like it happens with any non-nil value. > >> + even if the opening paren is not on screen." > > > > This doesn't update the choices, which is what the original bug report > > was about. > > Yes it does, by changing t to non-nil. Or maybe I don't understand what > you are saying. How many possible values can this variable have, and how many are listed in the menu of choices that will be presented to the user? From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:42:43 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#51032: 29.0.50; Choices for blink-matching-paren Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2021 18:58:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 51032 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: arash@gnu.org, 51032@debbugs.gnu.org, mardani29@yahoo.es Received: via spool by 51032-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B51032.16335466389290 (code B ref 51032); Wed, 06 Oct 2021 18:58:02 +0000 Received: (at 51032) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Oct 2021 18:57:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45505 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mYC6P-0002Pm-PM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Oct 2021 14:57:17 -0400 Received: from mail-pl1-f173.google.com ([209.85.214.173]:35392) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mYC6O-0002Pa-79 for 51032@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Oct 2021 14:57:16 -0400 Received: by mail-pl1-f173.google.com with SMTP id w14so2317593pll.2 for <51032@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 06 Oct 2021 11:57:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=B1fLxKUlNgM/BrOXTfTH20a+1MyBicW9j2ZmSwhKhJc=; b=I7WP1dzlp5Tw7QNiXzljF5hhuvTMcBxdwCHn48JjCDohBc0Z8unjlQdxWIOHd59hp6 OHPWhGKl+GgGZ0QPQnKYsYu1y3SMmD4GgEnWZfTUY2g34G62AIiZI1xeg9+XoVR4HyCy EHYx3BThx3Co52/uFKiENWv9avc+h9iuRz3Pe++/yXP58M0C5ReYWn3MTeXMnf0E2XBv TpsChBFkeTlPEp1njX4o61fglUVjikMMDyvr74XyULCCmPPFLiFtedCQGRDNQVvnkFqQ 8WgoCeOrBDbSQzWbt4gwin/LWOlrdyFvWsUUtIbIBUZdceW4ySJP6357cEzsJNt7KxL1 6fCQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533dYbRyqzDsz4GM2ifu2mRL+/rVV56+HDNrDK1biLJ4PvHkgHb3 u91dKXBVTRfMGKMyZvV4JSNy9zU9rV6kkCnx5BI= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJz17dJV/pPS2odKqjpvGpx6xh/O1iHARQWT5aZTxpMNDr93RgthPPNz+Ls1A4XKiUg7oPXlOgvsYu4G29vqHCc= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90b:890:: with SMTP id bj16mr387641pjb.143.1633546630304; Wed, 06 Oct 2021 11:57:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Wed, 6 Oct 2021 14:57:09 -0400 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <8335pe2es6.fsf@gnu.org> References: <86o8831x7o.fsf@gnu.org> <83mtnm2w8o.fsf@gnu.org> <8335pe2es6.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2021 14:57:09 -0400 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> +In addition, if the opening paren is not visible on screen, show >> +its position in the echo area. > > But that's incorrect, because it doesn't happen when the value is > 'jump' or 'jump-offscreen'. The "in addition" part makes it sound > like it happens with any non-nil value. The exception you mention is listed immediately below, so I don't see how it could be considered incorrect. > How many possible values can this variable have, and how many are > listed in the menu of choices that will be presented to the user? I don't follow. Do you want to change non-nil to t in the docstring? From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:42:43 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#51032: 29.0.50; Choices for blink-matching-paren Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2021 19:06:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 51032 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stefan Kangas Cc: arash@gnu.org, 51032@debbugs.gnu.org, mardani29@yahoo.es Received: via spool by 51032-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B51032.163354715610291 (code B ref 51032); Wed, 06 Oct 2021 19:06:02 +0000 Received: (at 51032) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Oct 2021 19:05:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45513 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mYCEm-0002fv-Iu for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Oct 2021 15:05:56 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:41146) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mYCEk-0002fg-DP for 51032@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Oct 2021 15:05:55 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:37888) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mYCEf-0005ay-2R; Wed, 06 Oct 2021 15:05:49 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:2489 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mYCEe-0006Lg-Ih; Wed, 06 Oct 2021 15:05:48 -0400 Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2021 22:05:40 +0300 Message-Id: <83wnmq0y9n.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Wed, 6 Oct 2021 14:57:09 -0400) References: <86o8831x7o.fsf@gnu.org> <83mtnm2w8o.fsf@gnu.org> <8335pe2es6.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2021 14:57:09 -0400 > Cc: mardani29@yahoo.es, arash@gnu.org, 51032@debbugs.gnu.org > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> +In addition, if the opening paren is not visible on screen, show > >> +its position in the echo area. > > > > But that's incorrect, because it doesn't happen when the value is > > 'jump' or 'jump-offscreen'. The "in addition" part makes it sound > > like it happens with any non-nil value. > > The exception you mention is listed immediately below, so I don't see > how it could be considered incorrect. Where is it mentioned? > > How many possible values can this variable have, and how many are > > listed in the menu of choices that will be presented to the user? > > I don't follow. Do you want to change non-nil to t in the docstring? I'm not talking about the doc string here, I'm talking about the values in the value menu that the defcustom will show the user when the user customizes this variable. From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:42:43 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#51032: 29.0.50; Choices for blink-matching-paren Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2021 20:54:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 51032 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: arash@gnu.org, 51032@debbugs.gnu.org, mardani29@yahoo.es Received: via spool by 51032-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B51032.163355363220825 (code B ref 51032); Wed, 06 Oct 2021 20:54:01 +0000 Received: (at 51032) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Oct 2021 20:53:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45580 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mYDvE-0005Pp-3i for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Oct 2021 16:53:52 -0400 Received: from mail-pl1-f182.google.com ([209.85.214.182]:46959) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mYDv8-0005PY-HH for 51032@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Oct 2021 16:53:50 -0400 Received: by mail-pl1-f182.google.com with SMTP id w11so2433705plz.13 for <51032@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 06 Oct 2021 13:53:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=znKbse6kacrStUL8wUhnrZwQFrLiAt9lkNfaMrD/Nhc=; b=clYhriNVhQRz/puRjzogR597QKF1RYGScBAZAj7oCOGqMkI//cGoqlQnK878X2lxtF z1FTTrtkJtQxogbuSlgBN6ml3P2X3qmMrjFN/Vkh5LZxwdpy6seo5n7hMU+xC4wVlVn0 p3AQq0yTRFUob8U3kIu1w2ZSApNi1FL5ZdFm027hRAoBpXXlWO9wAPFOd1qfIG3/4/7G ZuJEKuCZhIUP0rU0d/t2HTeUi0Prc43iTjnzXa+aP02aZ51R2MkFm0ktPXTR069Svzd4 JSZTB4wVY+XgwldEY/wj82cIdaEUKb/SDz/U7/l+XmcpgAEx10kzOrGEMEq7I4vlte4a +nyg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533e2Vyivjyh2BAFxufvcD8Cz6uFXOSyaIIBXswkEvwwMC+IAMu4 XxXAvdcdUYsPL4XncFcqftgPu1Fd2ULyQg+QPKA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJz6geeF2/EleFQlMdSjFdvopzin6RWR2UM4o7vQed/E5Vviwe0cC6mrOJuEGX7IfFdTEOjD1Es4n4qykdnWF3U= X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:b691:b029:12d:2b6:d116 with SMTP id c17-20020a170902b691b029012d02b6d116mr42629pls.71.1633553620746; Wed, 06 Oct 2021 13:53:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Wed, 6 Oct 2021 16:53:40 -0400 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <83wnmq0y9n.fsf@gnu.org> References: <86o8831x7o.fsf@gnu.org> <83mtnm2w8o.fsf@gnu.org> <8335pe2es6.fsf@gnu.org> <83wnmq0y9n.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2021 16:53:40 -0400 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Eli Zaretskii writes: > I'm not talking about the doc string here, I'm talking about the > values in the value menu that the defcustom will show the user when > the user customizes this variable. It's short enough, so I pasted its current definition below: (defcustom blink-matching-paren t "Non-nil means show matching open-paren when close-paren is inserted. In addition, if the opening paren is not visible on screen, show its position in the echo area. The valid values are: nil Disable. non-nil Highlight the opening paren. `jump' Briefly move cursor to its position. `jump-offscreen' Briefly move cursor to its position, even if the opening paren is not on screen." :type '(choice (const :tag "Disable" nil) (const :tag "Highlight" t) (const :tag "Move cursor" jump) (const :tag "Move cursor, even if off screen" jump-offscreen)) :group 'paren-blinking) From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:42:43 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#51032: 29.0.50; Choices for blink-matching-paren Resent-From: Arash Esbati Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2021 09:03:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 51032 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stefan Kangas Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 51032@debbugs.gnu.org, mardani29@yahoo.es Received: via spool by 51032-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B51032.163359737628840 (code B ref 51032); Thu, 07 Oct 2021 09:03:01 +0000 Received: (at 51032) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Oct 2021 09:02:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46018 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mYPIm-0007V3-5n for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Oct 2021 05:02:56 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:55534) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mYPIj-0007Up-Rk for 51032@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Oct 2021 05:02:54 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:57450) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mYPId-0001jS-N0; Thu, 07 Oct 2021 05:02:48 -0400 Received: from p5b3265dc.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([91.50.101.220]:59358 helo=MUTANT) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mYPIb-00055t-M4; Thu, 07 Oct 2021 05:02:47 -0400 From: Arash Esbati References: <86o8831x7o.fsf@gnu.org> <83mtnm2w8o.fsf@gnu.org> <8335pe2es6.fsf@gnu.org> <83wnmq0y9n.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2021 11:02:23 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Wed, 6 Oct 2021 16:53:40 -0400") Message-ID: <86czohtdgg.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Stefan Kangas writes: > Eli Zaretskii writes: > >> I'm not talking about the doc string here, I'm talking about the >> values in the value menu that the defcustom will show the user when >> the user customizes this variable. I think the values in the value menu are Ok, the only misleading part of docstring was With any other non-nil value, the off-screen position of the opening paren will be shown in the echo area. which is now (almost) fixed. > It's short enough, so I pasted its current definition below: > > (defcustom blink-matching-paren t > "Non-nil means show matching open-paren when close-paren is inserted. > In addition, if the opening paren is not visible on screen, show > its position in the echo area. > > The valid values are: > > nil Disable. > non-nil Highlight the opening paren. > `jump' Briefly move cursor to its position. > `jump-offscreen' Briefly move cursor to its position, > even if the opening paren is not on screen." > :type '(choice > (const :tag "Disable" nil) > (const :tag "Highlight" t) > (const :tag "Move cursor" jump) > (const :tag "Move cursor, even if off screen" jump-offscreen)) > :group 'paren-blinking) Thanks Stefan. May I suggest the following: (defcustom blink-matching-paren t "Non-nil means show matching open-paren when close-paren is inserted. Valid values are: nil Disable. t Highlight the opening paren if on screen, show the position in the echo area if off screen. `jump' Briefly move cursor to the opening paren if on screen, show the position in the echo area if off screen. `jump-offscreen' Briefly move cursor to the opening paren, even if the position is off screen." :type '(choice (const :tag "Disable" nil) (const :tag "Highlight" t) (const :tag "Move cursor" jump) (const :tag "Move cursor, even if off screen" jump-offscreen)) :group 'paren-blinking) Best, Arash From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:42:43 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#51032: 29.0.50; Choices for blink-matching-paren Resent-From: martin rudalics Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2021 09:10:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 51032 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Arash Esbati , Stefan Kangas Cc: 51032@debbugs.gnu.org, mardani29@yahoo.es Received: via spool by 51032-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B51032.163359774729500 (code B ref 51032); Thu, 07 Oct 2021 09:10:02 +0000 Received: (at 51032) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Oct 2021 09:09:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46044 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mYPOk-0007fk-Oq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Oct 2021 05:09:06 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.21]:51447) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mYPOj-0007f1-Af for 51032@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Oct 2021 05:09:05 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1633597738; bh=P0LYKaY7MVL85q+7PuI5mz+qIir7pSBbmXhBC73XzWc=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=CBW89s3DsNDz9E4RT5idZcUZ/yhtSYmY+0iKV7i0TlVwwxCDIv/0S4E77bna/EW5C bATsXWi9wF8Db5dDtMgPz7uy2O6PUmXW1MrrSU98o0k3UG16zI7viEyrON2s/SGabH ENLaEZyDluBA48RXHZLqA+Vb9iwdZMhvzOI7+aYE= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([213.142.97.180]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx104 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MnJhU-1nF8f81B24-00jGFv; Thu, 07 Oct 2021 11:08:58 +0200 References: <86o8831x7o.fsf@gnu.org> <83mtnm2w8o.fsf@gnu.org> <8335pe2es6.fsf@gnu.org> <83wnmq0y9n.fsf@gnu.org> <86czohtdgg.fsf@gnu.org> From: martin rudalics Message-ID: <462cea59-1b46-5b26-380f-aecec5b87a3f@gmx.at> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2021 11:08:54 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <86czohtdgg.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:clVEmCRthKW14+ZNfMzxwStH4xpDjRz+vXR9YtNoIvM6bNYGNZh sycQiEMwaMNCMvt+qdxlBzeBb10l0qGXC1F6TrkROuRHMeUG8iBe7C5DwKNTgoX0/zJ8dtQ 4mZ5D78Hryif4Lpxq6UbrziGSLEhsQRLe1yufH44g6HZyaKsD01G3yszS4vDziiFIC6sUFQ GrAvZBFJcwIaKlKFQH0hQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:SC2HZKSKE3Q=:YVc5SUlGOVJ6KnIFn1bDtj LS+p0q6q3xGQd0FoqeqGRqsJ7eXop0jsHow3k1fvQxy/RobOVj5lzHwB0iXsJ/Pz6BIAo6rPO l7tKnqvhAEX0DvgnJlkOcOks0dtP0DzzWr9LQrLnYSA3U2D0E2ALRudl6qg25/h/Leo021+fB M1xTxYlV+sLl+8b7Rv7uS51aPV6UhlttJJzVfIrRr8hPRNhcCBWVVZTMwTE5qq/inJzqBYk5x 4TB+LzPZFtGr7LiKtLAl8UULrcS56idoBRIIzHwA2eiAiginuzx02xj0mbSAZ7F2vuUw/abIY KvE+yZrh2O0PBkR/Ien1a8qb25OwrCmSIceKfYC3wBIDRWROCQup+PgbNO6ye6X1z7gQf6qJN fz+uM6ils2dg8I2NC8jsUuaxd+tvtU4aaj2zZvTVlsl2K/dKeN4jrP3M0GAqxqVE0H1xgtuo3 jNNLla9lg7wFYsZFQUnbEhJ/COKuDd+MKiKwruUBYowvvM+JA8V7LDQk9C1ZOLOi0RNmO3CrY CgtXj2Lqvb8dn4npzE7CClJS/hlcIeR1bF8bqSFLRLm62cn5v5U1l3wQiGCkQGZhci1zqie81 oW04LddFsJdyXlZCneHfeornUen5FQuOJdkxzGf/GWsvRXyhqmSJD5qvAbdWPIbr9HNdjq66v pM4t0aQgex0DWNlKmAqIeVb9trmIJsqEHo/883QUopw0zxBchEtjWoNAw8diC6LWC77YkMs14 8KE5Syo+oBFU5bw9XXLsjanZ1qs95pfo89oxhalIGpjWdm6E2Nn0P8HAg9L+2XbYmHvFQ7PS/ WkYM4XoPfTsQ8OZq7bwNOB9WQq4CwGNKOxJ+khhPdWffl+fyUS2h6C0hbn2xJCZM9jwejAsiI 7KiCnbB6IkYsrTM07v0JBNhabVWNSWo+luL6KrA+DLAkUqsdeh/w+GCaPA28Ml4M3McawDB0A iT4F+gmt3paZ2iWjTb5gp9OrVsYKu/GIbsufpGe5R+GAWT1QXFIE6X1kF1WPdgrYPgHwUbeA8 GLgWFwLhT65sHUauFsJrVlB/uE0gXqtF8Wln0343nEr/tg5CojGQSETcyNJukgKjCglj2YU82 kQYVtQe1fEkHyE= X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) > Valid values are: > > nil Disable. > t Highlight the opening paren if on screen, > show the position in the echo area if off screen. > `jump' Briefly move cursor to the opening paren if on screen, > show the position in the echo area if off screen. > `jump-offscreen' Briefly move cursor to the opening paren, > even if the position is off screen." > :type '(choice > (const :tag "Disable" nil) > (const :tag "Highlight" t) > (const :tag "Move cursor" jump) > (const :tag "Move cursor, even if off screen" jump-offscreen)) > :group 'paren-blinking) So what about "any other non-nil value"? martin From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:42:43 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#51032: 29.0.50; Choices for blink-matching-paren Resent-From: Arash Esbati Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2021 09:18:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 51032 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: martin rudalics Cc: 51032@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Kangas , mardani29@yahoo.es Received: via spool by 51032-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B51032.163359822930349 (code B ref 51032); Thu, 07 Oct 2021 09:18:01 +0000 Received: (at 51032) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Oct 2021 09:17:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46063 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mYPWX-0007tR-FJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Oct 2021 05:17:09 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:59346) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mYPWV-0007t2-UR for 51032@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Oct 2021 05:17:08 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:57828) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mYPWP-0001iY-4H; Thu, 07 Oct 2021 05:17:01 -0400 Received: from p5b3265dc.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([91.50.101.220]:59480 helo=MUTANT) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mYPWO-0006Cd-QX; Thu, 07 Oct 2021 05:17:01 -0400 From: Arash Esbati References: <86o8831x7o.fsf@gnu.org> <83mtnm2w8o.fsf@gnu.org> <8335pe2es6.fsf@gnu.org> <83wnmq0y9n.fsf@gnu.org> <86czohtdgg.fsf@gnu.org> <462cea59-1b46-5b26-380f-aecec5b87a3f@gmx.at> Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2021 11:16:46 +0200 In-Reply-To: <462cea59-1b46-5b26-380f-aecec5b87a3f@gmx.at> (martin rudalics's message of "Thu, 7 Oct 2021 11:08:54 +0200") Message-ID: <865yu9tcsh.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) martin rudalics writes: >> Valid values are: >> >> nil Disable. >> t Highlight the opening paren if on screen, >> show the position in the echo area if off screen. >> `jump' Briefly move cursor to the opening paren if on screen, >> show the position in the echo area if off screen. >> `jump-offscreen' Briefly move cursor to the opening paren, >> even if the position is off screen." >> :type '(choice >> (const :tag "Disable" nil) >> (const :tag "Highlight" t) >> (const :tag "Move cursor" jump) >> (const :tag "Move cursor, even if off screen" jump-offscreen)) >> :group 'paren-blinking) > > So what about "any other non-nil value"? "any other non-nil value" will act like t -- this is at least my understanding. Best, Arash From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:42:43 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#51032: 29.0.50; Choices for blink-matching-paren Resent-From: martin rudalics Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2021 09:35:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 51032 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Arash Esbati Cc: 51032@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Kangas , mardani29@yahoo.es Received: via spool by 51032-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B51032.16335992617876 (code B ref 51032); Thu, 07 Oct 2021 09:35:02 +0000 Received: (at 51032) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Oct 2021 09:34:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46084 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mYPnA-00022y-SI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Oct 2021 05:34:21 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.21]:46481) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mYPn7-00022j-Lg for 51032@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Oct 2021 05:34:19 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1633599250; bh=rPAUK86OG3I3Dw8FocfiEScDwPeYC93bIpLvLQJ6kfU=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=Xh7xtIht04damOXApcKNaUarnMsRSyfvg7wdW5qJrT1WArUbQEOTr7S59dTJFn99N CiMnTnDTj2fkKAWddirRh8Wkd92siLfw4qArhqH1Icj8xCjzJImGCn4U2r0cKbKsBw R/lefKVNBibKbEoH6AznAieTlVfJECnaB6QA+TJg= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([213.142.97.180]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx105 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1N8XPt-1muZHP17vF-014R4l; Thu, 07 Oct 2021 11:34:10 +0200 References: <86o8831x7o.fsf@gnu.org> <83mtnm2w8o.fsf@gnu.org> <8335pe2es6.fsf@gnu.org> <83wnmq0y9n.fsf@gnu.org> <86czohtdgg.fsf@gnu.org> <462cea59-1b46-5b26-380f-aecec5b87a3f@gmx.at> <865yu9tcsh.fsf@gnu.org> From: martin rudalics Message-ID: <43de1228-5ce6-53a2-d469-e62110445d11@gmx.at> Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2021 11:34:08 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <865yu9tcsh.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:9Givc9Xa+FIF+irzRZk7QvJ1TimnAqqblsgXXV3rpqla+S/NTVc j0iTRqJigb+9j1TCr4aRWsKPAlP52vi5jSGtzczcR7E/8UUqcf1haD8+HWB4iloMUH2pfQ6 hol2eHBgELrYU1S1civ8o0jfkJZZ0e1dFlOfWWP8Ir9ndcTUVSBRCBMuJuG2bT1Hhm05d3v NMLdHcomNunxBYr0pg6/g== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:1OXx7VRDE4g=:eTE4dcxAXmrhklQoGLa2kp nYUaI/maXqrPRvwECHiVhgApz7xSpiUEI7WDAnBR/PAvIvSwkeW6mDUltGadtOipd7PI9kuMa j5xV28aj5jYDlXHZYG8k51ovaIF1a/bv2Q0DYnhNofKQoz9aQgjEwa3jNzI32YrSRAb0JApKB 0vlQdreOwU59MN4/H2/+q25tdXvXdsJHJQiKLdCeIdMpLzya3Gqjfc9ONFQNo4ATZ0lLnicj1 ImvlIHpRvrS5HoF4qwL8BHvIFNZsIylzxDhhg98GLtG9WbDJDA5dAAy0vQ9BqnOQg42WmyQQP mOvtgXjjvqCL9Xyv28oDdTX4MAbn2qubM5ewdKBAA51NI4CdeP5+WLENrSpEAXfIcWZYOQTFL uapDDYl3aMBhrru1IuWssDl0TYqfTC51TTSW9pbXdNN56XG6eLhPmVtjgbsu/Rt0iSKhxQf3c tkN9HjKheBrPdx6Lhfhsif0fVgw6UKJWAuspalwG/Panh3e4F314R7zN+B+bM7ZyY3sb3V9Or 9KsS+/9+wjLBYXNRxgpGJrQOkmqBNNwkJ0RZRFVRY3v1oLBtwnMQslupCqaY9f4/mtu837H5v rGlnQl3/3ygGxvLbFQ3EQm5WR+R8QKmZ7jI3yuvW0e6CkJeBeEjBFzGxVhaHn+gNcPhBOsDZd inuOsppg4bieNDitwJueJ421xRK3mkQ4/q1SkM16WAUv98uoo5L/JuoYHlQ07+NM3aFlanYFH abTD34c0nHPb9KrrSojkPsvlnZb2bwUmCa03EboP5nhRcf+UiTW9GsZzmJ/WYSrEOeBzFh3VD NS8oAeJqbgIfoNn2Ioy/YkXxwkelASP0USNJj9niV2ZltmSWbyhNGTyQlruJ5pukRRC7k1XUe +NFkl1Zqv29hpLSyVBlPqG717E+Ur0FQMV6GiStUtRoKR6VqRM2xYFY0XmNc07IG83KnIg1zu vL+qzRTMQSVbeEcJGAJZA3Y474FKHGB4dAxzg/1aXXULIx29eQtGqxr5kF6V5VCEjqk3ceecz Ri0xcUKnJ/ooiLod2wFDvd7U0aAQQauQxHdJPnWsUxw+rSK4QkIxfL031hAt26g2dgjhS8Bom e8CasKS6/V04Wc= X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >> So what about "any other non-nil value"? > > "any other non-nil value" will act like t -- this is at least my > understanding. Then we probably should say so. But how does 'blink-matching-paren' interact with 'blink-matching-paren-on-screen' non-nil (in particular when 'blink-matching-paren' is 'jump')? I'm completely ignorant here. 'blink-matching-paren-on-screen' is not documented, its doc-string says "Non-nil means show matching open-paren when it is on screen." What does "show" mean? Highlight? What does "screen" mean? What happens when the open paren is shown in another window, frame etc. In either case your proposal looks good to me. Thanks, martin From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:42:43 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#51032: 29.0.50; Choices for blink-matching-paren Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2021 09:37:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 51032 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stefan Kangas Cc: arash@gnu.org, 51032@debbugs.gnu.org, mardani29@yahoo.es Received: via spool by 51032-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B51032.16335993778067 (code B ref 51032); Thu, 07 Oct 2021 09:37:01 +0000 Received: (at 51032) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Oct 2021 09:36:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46088 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mYPp3-000263-7A for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Oct 2021 05:36:17 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:34966) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mYPp0-00025p-O6 for 51032@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Oct 2021 05:36:15 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:58100) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mYPov-0002Rz-9y; Thu, 07 Oct 2021 05:36:09 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:4302 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mYPou-0002jJ-R0; Thu, 07 Oct 2021 05:36:09 -0400 Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2021 12:36:03 +0300 Message-Id: <83bl4118jg.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Wed, 6 Oct 2021 16:53:40 -0400) References: <86o8831x7o.fsf@gnu.org> <83mtnm2w8o.fsf@gnu.org> <8335pe2es6.fsf@gnu.org> <83wnmq0y9n.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2021 16:53:40 -0400 > Cc: mardani29@yahoo.es, arash@gnu.org, 51032@debbugs.gnu.org > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > I'm not talking about the doc string here, I'm talking about the > > values in the value menu that the defcustom will show the user when > > the user customizes this variable. > > It's short enough, so I pasted its current definition below: Thanks. I sense a certain degree of annoyance in your responses, so instead of continuing the argument and risking to increase the aggravation, I went ahead and made the improvements in the wording that I had in mind. From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:42:43 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#51032: 29.0.50; Choices for blink-matching-paren Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2021 09:40:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 51032 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Arash Esbati Cc: 51032@debbugs.gnu.org, stefan@marxist.se, mardani29@yahoo.es Received: via spool by 51032-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B51032.16335995848387 (code B ref 51032); Thu, 07 Oct 2021 09:40:02 +0000 Received: (at 51032) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Oct 2021 09:39:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46096 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mYPsF-0002B4-Vq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Oct 2021 05:39:44 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:35460) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mYPsD-0002Ap-Tv for 51032@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Oct 2021 05:39:34 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:58142) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mYPs8-000598-NY; Thu, 07 Oct 2021 05:39:28 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:4507 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mYPs7-0003fo-Nf; Thu, 07 Oct 2021 05:39:28 -0400 Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2021 12:39:25 +0300 Message-Id: <83a6jl18du.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <86czohtdgg.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Arash Esbati on Thu, 07 Oct 2021 11:02:23 +0200) References: <86o8831x7o.fsf@gnu.org> <83mtnm2w8o.fsf@gnu.org> <8335pe2es6.fsf@gnu.org> <83wnmq0y9n.fsf@gnu.org> <86czohtdgg.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Arash Esbati > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , mardani29@yahoo.es, 51032@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2021 11:02:23 +0200 > > Stefan Kangas writes: > > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > >> I'm not talking about the doc string here, I'm talking about the > >> values in the value menu that the defcustom will show the user when > >> the user customizes this variable. > > I think the values in the value menu are Ok, the only misleading part of > docstring was > > With any other non-nil value, the off-screen position of the opening > paren will be shown in the echo area. It is IMO wrong to have that text there, because 'jump-offscreen' doesn't do that, and 'jump' does it only of the open-paren is off-screen. Please take a look at the changes I just installed: are they OK? Thanks. From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:42:43 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#51032: 29.0.50; Choices for blink-matching-paren Resent-From: Arash Esbati Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2021 10:21:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 51032 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: martin rudalics Cc: 51032@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Kangas , mardani29@yahoo.es Received: via spool by 51032-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B51032.163360204912355 (code B ref 51032); Thu, 07 Oct 2021 10:21:01 +0000 Received: (at 51032) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Oct 2021 10:20:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46124 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mYQW8-0003DC-Ti for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Oct 2021 06:20:49 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:43992) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mYQW6-0003Cy-Du for 51032@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Oct 2021 06:20:47 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:58936) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mYQW0-0005Kl-Gk; Thu, 07 Oct 2021 06:20:40 -0400 Received: from p5b3265dc.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([91.50.101.220]:49657 helo=MUTANT) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mYQVh-0002pZ-1q; Thu, 07 Oct 2021 06:20:39 -0400 From: Arash Esbati References: <86o8831x7o.fsf@gnu.org> <83mtnm2w8o.fsf@gnu.org> <8335pe2es6.fsf@gnu.org> <83wnmq0y9n.fsf@gnu.org> <86czohtdgg.fsf@gnu.org> <462cea59-1b46-5b26-380f-aecec5b87a3f@gmx.at> <865yu9tcsh.fsf@gnu.org> <43de1228-5ce6-53a2-d469-e62110445d11@gmx.at> Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2021 12:17:01 +0200 In-Reply-To: <43de1228-5ce6-53a2-d469-e62110445d11@gmx.at> (martin rudalics's message of "Thu, 7 Oct 2021 11:34:08 +0200") Message-ID: <861r4xta02.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) martin rudalics writes: >> "any other non-nil value" will act like t -- this is at least my >> understanding. > > Then we probably should say so. But how does 'blink-matching-paren' > interact with 'blink-matching-paren-on-screen' non-nil (in particular > when 'blink-matching-paren' is 'jump')? I'm completely ignorant here. Then we are 2. > 'blink-matching-paren-on-screen' is not documented, its doc-string says > > "Non-nil means show matching open-paren when it is on screen." The second sentence reads: If nil, don=E2=80=99t show it (but the open-paren can still be shown in the echo area when it is off screen). My reading is this variable gives you more control in terms of: Don't highlight the open-paren if on-screen (either jump or highlight), but do if off-screen, i.e., show the position in the echo area. But I think it breaks for this combination: (setq blink-matching-paren 'jump-offscreen) (setq blink-matching-paren-on-screen nil) which does nothing. But that's another bug report from someone more knowledgeable. > In either case your proposal looks good to me. Thanks, but Eli's patch is even better :) Best, Arash From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:42:43 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#51032: 29.0.50; Choices for blink-matching-paren Resent-From: Arash Esbati Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2021 10:21:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 51032 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 51032@debbugs.gnu.org, stefan@marxist.se, mardani29@yahoo.es Received: via spool by 51032-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B51032.163360205012368 (code B ref 51032); Thu, 07 Oct 2021 10:21:02 +0000 Received: (at 51032) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Oct 2021 10:20:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46126 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mYQWA-0003DQ-7n for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Oct 2021 06:20:50 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:44016) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mYQW8-0003D1-Rg for 51032@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Oct 2021 06:20:49 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:58946) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mYQW3-0005O1-K4; Thu, 07 Oct 2021 06:20:43 -0400 Received: from p5b3265dc.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([91.50.101.220]:49657 helo=MUTANT) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mYQW1-0002pZ-AI; Thu, 07 Oct 2021 06:20:42 -0400 From: Arash Esbati References: <86o8831x7o.fsf@gnu.org> <83mtnm2w8o.fsf@gnu.org> <8335pe2es6.fsf@gnu.org> <83wnmq0y9n.fsf@gnu.org> <86czohtdgg.fsf@gnu.org> <83a6jl18du.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2021 12:20:06 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83a6jl18du.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 07 Oct 2021 12:39:25 +0300") Message-ID: <86wnmprvah.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Arash Esbati >> Cc: Eli Zaretskii , mardani29@yahoo.es, 51032@debbugs.gnu.org >> Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2021 11:02:23 +0200 >> >> I think the values in the value menu are Ok, the only misleading part of >> docstring was >> >> With any other non-nil value, the off-screen position of the opening >> paren will be shown in the echo area. > > It is IMO wrong to have that text there, because 'jump-offscreen' > doesn't do that, and 'jump' does it only of the open-paren is > off-screen. Agreed. > Please take a look at the changes I just installed: are they OK? LGTM. Thanks for the clarification. Best, Arash From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:42:43 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#51032: 29.0.50; Choices for blink-matching-paren Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2021 13:06:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 51032 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: arash@gnu.org, 51032@debbugs.gnu.org, mardani29@yahoo.es Received: via spool by 51032-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B51032.16336119175121 (code B ref 51032); Thu, 07 Oct 2021 13:06:02 +0000 Received: (at 51032) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Oct 2021 13:05:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46361 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mYT5J-0001KX-3Y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Oct 2021 09:05:17 -0400 Received: from mail-pf1-f178.google.com ([209.85.210.178]:43953) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mYT5H-0001KA-5T for 51032@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Oct 2021 09:05:15 -0400 Received: by mail-pf1-f178.google.com with SMTP id 187so5285837pfc.10 for <51032@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 07 Oct 2021 06:05:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=COiqFBNkVNiPW8uEq5uh+3Yj8+mnNJH6dX141DIesRM=; b=xu0CMkBvN+EbLAD9lw6dut3FsJyI9wyeUmEx16IJiv5c9m7vfxKM6tFNQHgGA7sMQA 2mCnhxLVPJXiTdAJu2dmplNLvFHHqKyJqcJEbNigBM+WWJaMX9GMezhgFy2KB8gIMYDV qpUWvwG/OWgIeiuTp4zDs7NmYSgNXx+5FxPCOYY0zskJaCpbtn6SX7MMr/yzEFEcp34h mBV5pdPxu+H2IqGP7SqbbrH5E+gZ57yiQq4XxaCGf4vznjhcbWkQqwW+H9IRdWRX7vsZ qNqncooS8LZ3F9UXKpYZH6N09Xo0nnfOhF/BymiQB42PZuYl5c91Q1tqgUV7LGN9kYN0 l8kA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532pvOUW+RZzFbPyJFg5B8mOXT1WGU1XbZFZoUDbbeq6vcU5B8WR hnsxfYRxlxXDJZud1UuDOOEXkiQtgq50aKkDNXs= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJykVBYsdgSKKD6KF9V/17a941xtGReFY4/XUHVYqNzdqgciUVqIh+8eYNtx/SxlWzK2AUwshlPCnJXPHJUzQ6Y= X-Received: by 2002:a63:7e11:: with SMTP id z17mr3320694pgc.114.1633611909349; Thu, 07 Oct 2021 06:05:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Thu, 7 Oct 2021 09:05:09 -0400 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <83bl4118jg.fsf@gnu.org> References: <86o8831x7o.fsf@gnu.org> <83mtnm2w8o.fsf@gnu.org> <8335pe2es6.fsf@gnu.org> <83wnmq0y9n.fsf@gnu.org> <83bl4118jg.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2021 09:05:09 -0400 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Eli Zaretskii writes: > I went ahead and made the improvements in the wording that I had in > mind. The changes you installed look very good, thank you. From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:42:43 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#51032: 29.0.50; Choices for blink-matching-paren Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2021 13:21:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 51032 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stefan Kangas Cc: arash@gnu.org, 51032@debbugs.gnu.org, mardani29@yahoo.es Received: via spool by 51032-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B51032.16336128526738 (code B ref 51032); Thu, 07 Oct 2021 13:21:01 +0000 Received: (at 51032) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Oct 2021 13:20:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46388 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mYTKO-0001kb-6o for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Oct 2021 09:20:52 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:57430) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mYTKM-0001kN-5D for 51032@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Oct 2021 09:20:51 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:36332) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mYTKC-0004iT-Id; Thu, 07 Oct 2021 09:20:43 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:2088 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mYTJh-0000Os-2W; Thu, 07 Oct 2021 09:20:34 -0400 Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2021 16:20:06 +0300 Message-Id: <83wnmpynsp.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Thu, 7 Oct 2021 09:05:09 -0400) References: <86o8831x7o.fsf@gnu.org> <83mtnm2w8o.fsf@gnu.org> <8335pe2es6.fsf@gnu.org> <83wnmq0y9n.fsf@gnu.org> <83bl4118jg.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2021 09:05:09 -0400 > Cc: mardani29@yahoo.es, arash@gnu.org, 51032@debbugs.gnu.org > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > I went ahead and made the improvements in the wording that I had in > > mind. > > The changes you installed look very good, thank you. Thanks for looking. From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:42:43 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#51032: 29.0.50; Choices for blink-matching-paren Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2021 13:50:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 51032 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Arash Esbati Cc: rudalics@gmx.at, 51032@debbugs.gnu.org, stefan@marxist.se, mardani29@yahoo.es Received: via spool by 51032-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B51032.16336145639759 (code B ref 51032); Thu, 07 Oct 2021 13:50:01 +0000 Received: (at 51032) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Oct 2021 13:49:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46471 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mYTly-0002XL-UB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Oct 2021 09:49:23 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:37672) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mYTlw-0002X5-Ms for 51032@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Oct 2021 09:49:21 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:37634) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mYTlq-0005xR-Sw; Thu, 07 Oct 2021 09:49:14 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:3854 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mYTll-0005h2-8j; Thu, 07 Oct 2021 09:49:14 -0400 Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2021 16:49:04 +0300 Message-Id: <83r1cxymgf.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <861r4xta02.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Arash Esbati on Thu, 07 Oct 2021 12:17:01 +0200) References: <86o8831x7o.fsf@gnu.org> <83mtnm2w8o.fsf@gnu.org> <8335pe2es6.fsf@gnu.org> <83wnmq0y9n.fsf@gnu.org> <86czohtdgg.fsf@gnu.org> <462cea59-1b46-5b26-380f-aecec5b87a3f@gmx.at> <865yu9tcsh.fsf@gnu.org> <43de1228-5ce6-53a2-d469-e62110445d11@gmx.at> <861r4xta02.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Arash Esbati > Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2021 12:17:01 +0200 > Cc: 51032@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Kangas , > mardani29@yahoo.es > > > "Non-nil means show matching open-paren when it is on screen." > > The second sentence reads: > > If nil, don’t show it (but the open-paren can still be shown > in the echo area when it is off screen). > > My reading is this variable gives you more control in terms of: Don't > highlight the open-paren if on-screen (either jump or highlight), but do > if off-screen, i.e., show the position in the echo area. But I think it > breaks for this combination: > > (setq blink-matching-paren 'jump-offscreen) > (setq blink-matching-paren-on-screen nil) > > which does nothing. Right. It should jump off-screen in that case. I think the effect of that option was never updated when we changed how blink-matching-paren works in Emacs 24.