From unknown Fri Aug 15 16:22:57 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#50999 <50999@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#50999 <50999@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 29.0.50; Deleting libraries obsolete since Emacs 24 Reply-To: bug#50999 <50999@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2025 23:22:57 +0000 retitle 50999 29.0.50; Deleting libraries obsolete since Emacs 24 reassign 50999 emacs submitter 50999 Stefan Kangas severity 50999 wishlist thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Oct 03 17:42:37 2021 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Oct 2021 21:42:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35079 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mX9Fk-0005t0-Op for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 03 Oct 2021 17:42:37 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:60190) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mX9Fg-0005so-LH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 03 Oct 2021 17:42:35 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:56282) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mX9Fg-0007Mc-A6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Oct 2021 17:42:32 -0400 Received: from mail-pg1-f173.google.com ([209.85.215.173]:38456) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mX9Fd-0008G2-Bm for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 03 Oct 2021 17:42:32 -0400 Received: by mail-pg1-f173.google.com with SMTP id s75so3835727pgs.5 for ; Sun, 03 Oct 2021 14:42:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=fYnkFkl6KyROGMMiP+0m6H26j7CCqClHY4gnSf3qOac=; b=jn4BQPYYQI//8qkaOjURLG3YX9FcYq48i0qAaBG2Whg6Syv9suwaFngOdH/PApuiE5 iKbHQlqp2AoiWns0Qr90kLdoX4CcSz+N2Swl/0zloVENLoUrHqASPqxvihieh5cU+HiG f+1puc1J0NJw3W3h0ZX4d+LCwg7P17Myx7fRJoHr2Un2hOnctm1gwbUxZUaMJrPDbvQH IjaATR1C7W5VQdn2NypI9ph4eMsGYG4aqWeEOrVrjkdKRqmDo3GLHri9vubiwHEN3jGB Bb5EYCtlx+Rz6NViookO0t+oaK7hNQWvJHkqHEpIMxJ/M0M8DCpwvCEgCuEeHeoT67fh ZFRg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530Rqs4VRJDcS/oKEvjZoqHQOwhKwvX6GCc8HuWRkDVCvn5bi1OF CGzCK9xsa61m/0PsqAQvbg1t8ACy/r3VbqfbTi1hXq+X X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJw7jrCF2LwuxOf3XxNnOG209k1Du3Nm62+gVc1Yj+uxqvyzbheYjcPlzVeXlyoPEwgujdXCsXt6NJLJhbCvWJE= X-Received: by 2002:a63:6941:: with SMTP id e62mr8045835pgc.114.1633297347798; Sun, 03 Oct 2021 14:42:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Sun, 3 Oct 2021 21:42:27 +0000 From: Stefan Kangas MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2021 21:42:27 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: 29.0.50; Deleting libraries obsolete since Emacs 24 To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=209.85.215.173; envelope-from=stefankangas@gmail.com; helo=mail-pg1-f173.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -13 X-Spam_score: -1.4 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.249, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.8 (-) Severity: wishlist I would like to confirm that for Emacs 29.1 we want to delete libraries obsoleted five major versions ago, i.e. those obsoleted in Emacs 24. Some things to note: 1. We cannot yet remove iswitchb.el, as isearchb.el depends on it (see Bug#36260). 2. We also cannot remove longlines.el, as so-long.el depends on it, and even recommends it in certain cases. 3. ccl-tests.el had to be updated to no longer depend on pgg-parse.el. Other than that, I have not been able to find any problematic dependencies or other issues. If anyone wants to double-check the below list, you could use: (cd lisp/obsolete ; grep -iR "Obsolete-since: 24" * | sort -t ';' -k 3) The change looks like this, excluding the massive diff showing all 18,000+ deleted lines: commit 8ee48fb988bb058d1b6b3a0b96359e1e10a1d645 (HEAD -> master) Author: Stefan Kangas Date: Sun Oct 3 21:43:17 2021 +0200 Delete libraries obsolete since Emacs 24 * lisp/obsolete/abbrevlist.el: * lisp/obsolete/assoc.el: * lisp/obsolete/bruce.el: * lisp/obsolete/cc-compat.el: * lisp/obsolete/complete.el: * lisp/obsolete/crisp.el: * lisp/obsolete/cust-print.el: * lisp/obsolete/erc-hecomplete.el: * lisp/obsolete/info-edit.el: * lisp/obsolete/mailpost.el: * lisp/obsolete/meese.el: * lisp/obsolete/mouse-sel.el: * lisp/obsolete/old-emacs-lock.el: * lisp/obsolete/otodo-mode.el: * lisp/obsolete/patcomp.el: * lisp/obsolete/pc-mode.el: * lisp/obsolete/pc-select.el: * lisp/obsolete/pgg-def.el: * lisp/obsolete/pgg-gpg.el: * lisp/obsolete/pgg-parse.el: * lisp/obsolete/pgg-pgp.el: * lisp/obsolete/pgg-pgp5.el: * lisp/obsolete/pgg.el: * lisp/obsolete/rcompile.el: * lisp/obsolete/s-region.el: * lisp/obsolete/sregex.el: * lisp/obsolete/sup-mouse.el: * lisp/obsolete/terminal.el: * lisp/obsolete/tpu-edt.el: * lisp/obsolete/tpu-extras.el: * lisp/obsolete/tpu-mapper.el: * lisp/obsolete/vi.el: * lisp/obsolete/vip.el: * lisp/obsolete/ws-mode.el: Delete files. These libraries have been obsolete since Emacs 24. * etc/NEWS: Announce their deletion. * test/lisp/international/ccl-tests.el: Fix tests to not depend on deleted file ppg-pars.el. diff --git a/etc/NEWS b/etc/NEWS index 20ed20308e..f6735a960c 100644 --- a/etc/NEWS +++ b/etc/NEWS @@ -77,6 +77,15 @@ Emacs buffers, like indentation and the like. The new ert function * Incompatible Lisp Changes in Emacs 29.1 +** Some libraries obsolete since Emacs 24 have been removed: +abbrevlist.el, assoc.el, bruce.el, cc-compat.el, complete.el, +crisp.el, cust-print.el, erc-hecomplete.el, info-edit.el, mailpost.el, +meese.el, mouse-sel.el, old-emacs-lock.el, otodo-mode.el, patcomp.el, +pc-mode.el, pc-select.el, pgg-def.el, pgg-gpg.el, pgg-parse.el, +pgg-pgp.el, pgg-pgp5.el, pgg.el, rcompile.el, s-region.el, sregex.el, +sup-mouse.el, terminal.el, tpu-edt.el, tpu-extras.el, tpu-mapper.el, +vi.el, vip.el, ws-mode.el and yow.el. + [...] From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Oct 04 05:40:32 2021 Received: (at 50999) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Oct 2021 09:40:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35709 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mXKSV-0005Yt-Vo for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Oct 2021 05:40:32 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:56874) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mXKSU-0005Ye-TE for 50999@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Oct 2021 05:40:31 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=wKc/c2JC8on3aV6DiyeraJvyfHT13f5sin9MAFyP3rg=; b=bE3nLoJzV7/37+DpaG5wQmyyfX XeRM8UfVAVnMG9t+y032CT2902HN1vnljfiZ5kAmGpgG1bAr5YTz4KMu4x2skk9Y6+q17uMHkE0sx EuDuCknuSP4Ua0n8PsZQobKTiw0B2Ks38bT+pjr3SEJq/eKK5pTYrZW8v8d/KvUb7yHY=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=elva) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mXKSL-0001E9-Te; Mon, 04 Oct 2021 11:40:24 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Stefan Kangas Subject: Re: bug#50999: 29.0.50; Deleting libraries obsolete since Emacs 24 References: X-Now-Playing: Sacred Paws's _Run Around The Sun_: "Write This Down" Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2021 11:40:21 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Sun, 3 Oct 2021 21:42:27 +0000") Message-ID: <87r1d1nn5m.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Stefan Kangas writes: > I would like to confirm that for Emacs 29.1 we want to delete libraries > obsoleted five major versions ago, i.e. those obsoleted in Emacs 24. That does seem logical, since we removed 23.3 stuff last time around. But shouldn't we delete 24.1 things only -- 24.1-24.5 are distinct releases (and not like 27.x and 28.x, which are only bugfix rel [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50999 Cc: 50999@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Stefan Kangas writes: > I would like to confirm that for Emacs 29.1 we want to delete libraries > obsoleted five major versions ago, i.e. those obsoleted in Emacs 24. That does seem logical, since we removed 23.3 stuff last time around. But shouldn't we delete 24.1 things only -- 24.1-24.5 are distinct releases (and not like 27.x and 28.x, which are only bugfix releases). I think. I haven't actually looked on the timeline for the 24.x releases. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Oct 04 09:26:14 2021 Received: (at 50999) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Oct 2021 13:26:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35952 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mXNyv-0003Et-ND for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Oct 2021 09:26:13 -0400 Received: from mail-pf1-f169.google.com ([209.85.210.169]:44649) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mXNyp-0003Ec-UO for 50999@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Oct 2021 09:26:11 -0400 Received: by mail-pf1-f169.google.com with SMTP id 145so14484161pfz.11 for <50999@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 04 Oct 2021 06:26:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=eIk+bmXM0p5uIl0opysziUZFlZKT4RKc/8gkUZqO7PM=; b=kSWTq1taDou8XoLIhW2oDKiLJ/e6Uw8TvAwsT1itGq/Owrcn6yDtmUYKQFnXk3KmBL /gBHHye9sr4T4M5uum6050vhZcmrc3X5xSwVd6556Yucp9PZH6SFFhKCUso5CUA7c6iZ NnAuN2NQKLzDem+SDYH3daiE2V2GQ1m+2vD+JQV15GsbY+Woy7heX6H4wedZtIVZph0L KN8wkaq7Id6GKAbO+R+UnW7b0tCWxvNI9fPLwCt5iO/i/Aenycl7JLxXXbZkNiXeKnDJ yx7dWuJAa+s+e3UFSVrzC80t6nLA7Rny5md0yxjKskGKF+s6Xljex7kjVeIX7X6tNswG sulw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531Ml7UNb4CBKht2q73j9IFgYpRK6e8585jPDZnDQsIYP4O8V6YT MZkoWemhMwqxcRwVVuUMqMUctVKHgea1tHMPI9k= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzRMkO4Of+wr3zt7eSN6p4JdYr3P5SXz8bbg3zc5HvhlUSokLRbSnA+dY61OGYBO/9qZDfrgn5NRtWt7r16l2I= X-Received: by 2002:a63:4717:: with SMTP id u23mr10733809pga.359.1633353961906; Mon, 04 Oct 2021 06:26:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87r1d1nn5m.fsf@gnus.org> In-Reply-To: <87r1d1nn5m.fsf@gnus.org> From: Stefan Kangas Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2021 15:25:50 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#50999: 29.0.50; Deleting libraries obsolete since Emacs 24 To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50999 Cc: 50999@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > > I would like to confirm that for Emacs 29.1 we want to delete libraries > > obsoleted five major versions ago, i.e. those obsoleted in Emacs 24. > > That does seem logical, since we removed 23.3 stuff last time around. > But shouldn't we delete 24.1 things only -- 24.1-24.5 are distinct > releases (and not like 27.x and 28.x, which are only bugfix releases). > > I think. I haven't actually looked on the timeline for the 24.x releases. In Emacs 28.1, we deleted anything obsoleted in Emacs 23: 2012-01-29 - Emacs 23.4 released 2011-03-10 - Emacs 23.3 released 2010-05-08 - Emacs 23.2 released 2009-07-29 - Emacs 23.1 released This is what the release schedule looked like for Emacs 24: 2016-09-17 - Emacs 25.1 released 2015-04-10 - Emacs 24.5 released 2014-10-20 - Emacs 24.4 released 2013-03-11 - Emacs 24.3 released 2012-08-27 - Emacs 24.2 released 2012-06-10 - Emacs 24.1 released (Emacs 23 was around for ~3 years, but Emacs 24 was around for ~4.) Assuming that Emacs 29 will be released in 2022 or 2023, removing anything from 24.1-24.3 should mean it's been 9-10 years since the libraries were obsoleted in an official release. If we remove stuff obsoleted in 24.4 and 24.5 as well, that would mean it's only been 7-8 years. The former should be okay and in line with our historical practice, the latter is a bit more enthusiastic and could be discussed. FWIW, it is kind of nice to have the easy to understand principle that we generally delete obsolete stuff after five major releases, but it is true that version 24 is somewhat different from 23, 25, 26 and 27 in that it was around for longer. I think we should just decide what we want to do in Emacs 29, and then apply the same principle for deleting obsolete functions, variables, etc. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Oct 05 03:02:45 2021 Received: (at 50999) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Oct 2021 07:02:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38876 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mXeTN-0003ZA-IX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Oct 2021 03:02:45 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:38518) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mXeTM-0003WD-Fw for 50999@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Oct 2021 03:02:44 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=22/Duy9PMnzE1d+lUKmp+6jogyc5bbbYaTLjfsEqGiI=; b=JXBhz8MXFbGH5oVUFEZ9EJMVFI yhZakeqzvRj3cN1XeKFXqa7N0Vv5apl7FC5OBr5/sTalZkafTIVRndrIAtfO8HCG4fHTCi34OSWCB 2qDoO+DG9IqhvR6YkB0BKkCfGXJZOOkKc0BUv+pggsVBQ3wclevI+5svMy+/XbivXuZc=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=elva) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mXeTD-00048B-Uh; Tue, 05 Oct 2021 09:02:38 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Stefan Kangas Subject: Re: bug#50999: 29.0.50; Deleting libraries obsolete since Emacs 24 References: <87r1d1nn5m.fsf@gnus.org> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwAgMAAAAqbBEUAAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAACVBMVEUQDA0FBAX///+L 9j5tAAAAAWJLR0QCZgt8ZAAAAAd0SU1FB+UKBQY6Bj90z/wAAABISURBVCjPY2BwEGEAg1AHIA4R YQwNDQyAcBDAFYkTEIosMzQ5gThlQpA5ATg5IcRxcOsh0qEhDKI4ONR1DpEcoNtcSfUCKgcAv8S6 AHgpNQAAAAAldEVYdGRhdGU6Y3JlYXRlADIwMjEtMTAtMDVUMDY6NTg6MDYrMDA6MDClP+IzAAAA JXRFWHRkYXRlOm1vZGlmeQAyMDIxLTEwLTA1VDA2OjU4OjA2KzAwOjAw1GJajwAAAABJRU5ErkJg gg== X-Now-Playing: ANOHNI and J. Ralph's _Singles_: "KARMA.flac" Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2021 09:02:35 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Mon, 4 Oct 2021 15:25:50 +0200") Message-ID: <875yuc7y44.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Stefan Kangas writes: > Assuming that Emacs 29 will be released in 2022 or 2023, removing > anything from 24.1-24.3 should mean it's been 9-10 years since the > libraries were obsoleted in an official release. If we remove [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50999 Cc: 50999@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Stefan Kangas writes: > Assuming that Emacs 29 will be released in 2022 or 2023, removing > anything from 24.1-24.3 should mean it's been 9-10 years since the > libraries were obsoleted in an official release. If we remove stuff > obsoleted in 24.4 and 24.5 as well, that would mean it's only been 7-8 > years. The former should be okay and in line with our historical > practice, the latter is a bit more enthusiastic and could be > discussed. Yeah, I think removing 24.4 and 24.5 things would be premature, but the older stuff should be fine. > FWIW, it is kind of nice to have the easy to understand principle that > we generally delete obsolete stuff after five major releases, but it > is true that version 24 is somewhat different from 23, 25, 26 and 27 > in that it was around for longer. We've changed our naming methodology -- we used to have major and minor releases, but with Emacs 27 we ditched that, so the obsoletion strategy has to be adjusted a bit. > I think we should just decide what we want to do in Emacs 29, and then > apply the same principle for deleting obsolete functions, variables, > etc. Yup. I think everything obsoleted before Emacs 24.3 should be up for removal in Emacs 29 (since that'd be about a decade old when Emacs 29 is released), but perhaps Eli has a different opinion. Eli? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Oct 05 08:28:08 2021 Received: (at 50999) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Oct 2021 12:28:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39247 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mXjYG-0006i7-5d for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Oct 2021 08:28:08 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:42128) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mXjYC-0006hT-2A for 50999@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Oct 2021 08:28:07 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:35908) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mXjY6-0006kr-Fg; Tue, 05 Oct 2021 08:27:58 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:4851 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mXjY6-0007fg-2e; Tue, 05 Oct 2021 08:27:58 -0400 Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2021 15:27:50 +0300 Message-Id: <83lf374px5.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Lars Ingebrigtsen In-Reply-To: <875yuc7y44.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Tue, 05 Oct 2021 09:02:35 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#50999: 29.0.50; Deleting libraries obsolete since Emacs 24 References: <87r1d1nn5m.fsf@gnus.org> <875yuc7y44.fsf@gnus.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50999 Cc: 50999@debbugs.gnu.org, stefan@marxist.se X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen > Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2021 09:02:35 +0200 > Cc: 50999@debbugs.gnu.org > > > I think we should just decide what we want to do in Emacs 29, and then > > apply the same principle for deleting obsolete functions, variables, > > etc. > > Yup. I think everything obsoleted before Emacs 24.3 should be up for > removal in Emacs 29 (since that'd be about a decade old when Emacs 29 is > released), but perhaps Eli has a different opinion. Eli? I'd prefer to see the full list of the candidates before we decide. It could be that some items on the list need to get special treatment for some valid reasons, or perhaps because we've learned something new since they were obsoleted. Thanks. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Oct 05 09:07:25 2021 Received: (at 50999) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Oct 2021 13:07:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39346 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mXkAG-0007x7-RO for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Oct 2021 09:07:25 -0400 Received: from smtp-4.orcon.net.nz ([60.234.4.59]:44977) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mXkAE-0007ww-Ls for 50999@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Oct 2021 09:07:24 -0400 Received: from [10.253.37.70] (port=7795 helo=webmail.orcon.net.nz) by smtp-4.orcon.net.nz with esmtpa (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mXkA4-0008LM-96; Wed, 06 Oct 2021 02:07:12 +1300 Received: from ip-203-94-48-127.kinect.net.nz ([203.94.48.127]) via [10.253.37.253] by webmail.orcon.net.nz with HTTP (HTTP/1.1 POST); Wed, 06 Oct 2021 02:07:12 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2021 02:07:12 +1300 From: Phil Sainty To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#50999: 29.0.50; Deleting libraries obsolete since Emacs 24 In-Reply-To: <83lf374px5.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87r1d1nn5m.fsf@gnus.org> <875yuc7y44.fsf@gnus.org> <83lf374px5.fsf@gnu.org> Message-ID: <2ec2e4374dba11a63ab17609f25f7cd8@webmail.orcon.net.nz> X-Sender: psainty@orcon.net.nz User-Agent: Orcon Webmail X-GeoIP: -- X-Spam_score: -2.9 X-Spam_score_int: -28 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50999 Cc: 50999@debbugs.gnu.org, Lars Ingebrigtsen , stefan@marxist.se X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) On 2021-10-06 01:27, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > It could be that some items on the list need to get special treatment > for some valid reasons, or perhaps because we've learned something new > since they were obsoleted. One such case is longlines.el -- I'd like this to not only be retained, but also be restored to non-obsolete status. This was marked obsolete in 24.4 on the basis that visual-line-mode provided a better alternative, and indeed visual-line-mode is better for wrapping lines of normal lengths; however longlines-mode is actually very valuable for editing files with lines that are so long that they cause performance problems. This is because longlines-mode converts the long lines into short lines for editing, and therefore it will give you good performance at *any* position in the file. For this reason, so-long.el has supported longlines-mode as a standard action since version 1.0. While so-long-mode is very fast to enable, it still won't cope well if you move point deep into an incredibly long line. Conversely longlines-mode is slow to enable (as it has to break all the long lines), but it then gives good performance everywhere in the buffer. As such they complement one another (and you can switch between them via the "So Long" menu). -Phil From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Oct 05 09:39:36 2021 Received: (at 50999) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Oct 2021 13:39:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39395 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mXkfQ-0000S7-0t for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Oct 2021 09:39:36 -0400 Received: from mail-pf1-f173.google.com ([209.85.210.173]:41860) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mXkfP-0000Rt-4r for 50999@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Oct 2021 09:39:35 -0400 Received: by mail-pf1-f173.google.com with SMTP id p1so11386848pfh.8 for <50999@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 05 Oct 2021 06:39:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=rXQnER3o7DT45j2GdNL7K4mByo86LcgqSatKnh/U1EE=; b=i36CjvXZZBObF+HY/sWEgLL2xkn8aNp7+XvY6GU4aQrquicEnR9GRazitO5tbstlU5 0pKH8OLcRGujFwTIr5mbpANB1uQBgDfgpJwpeYmtOsRtReomaZXoJ+fy3sxAIFrjkbLt AhoWBFYPH7ze9TXz2aViPa/SzWW7PynKZ5SMN2BV3+hmD3C1tMCeRNxUSKWUxPeAYicD i0ldxr/QfiSvcoFeX/CcmevmwPQd3EHjbnsm8utzaOAZxmsRZy/rylPtfz4PvMU64C5F Q6RvcwGAM7BRlmwr3WkkMktlC88U1mYZeQjVyR7J3bNUMDoC8AZZbpgAZhyWyJX8bKy7 6xyg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531VXAHze/cpn5g3sgj6GCYd+0AlipdLnQIxYtAiXA+45bG1Kx6m Nf6XC4H9/alL+dPd+OV9dOCSP8PITOU67YyjUHcSFjrW X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyQhhbCtaIx+gwK6koB9jnRDQPvOCaqTwkLSh0ZC29Pf2gVm36+xJXN0X0kOfZDeTPc/NX0BQO2WQp9Jypbels= X-Received: by 2002:a63:4717:: with SMTP id u23mr15522445pga.359.1633441169368; Tue, 05 Oct 2021 06:39:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Tue, 5 Oct 2021 09:39:28 -0400 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <83lf374px5.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87r1d1nn5m.fsf@gnus.org> <875yuc7y44.fsf@gnus.org> <83lf374px5.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2021 09:39:28 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#50999: 29.0.50; Deleting libraries obsolete since Emacs 24 To: Eli Zaretskii , Lars Ingebrigtsen Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50999 Cc: 50999@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Eli Zaretskii writes: > I'd prefer to see the full list of the candidates before we decide. > It could be that some items on the list need to get special treatment > for some valid reasons, or perhaps because we've learned something new > since they were obsoleted. This is the list: abbrevlist.el:;; Obsolete-since: 24.1 complete.el:;; Obsolete-since: 24.1 erc-hecomplete.el:;; Obsolete-since: 24.1 old-emacs-lock.el:;; Obsolete-since: 24.1 pc-mode.el:;; Obsolete-since: 24.1 pc-select.el:;; Obsolete-since: 24.1 pgg-def.el:;; Obsolete-since: 24.1 pgg-gpg.el:;; Obsolete-since: 24.1 pgg-parse.el:;; Obsolete-since: 24.1 pgg-pgp.el:;; Obsolete-since: 24.1 pgg-pgp5.el:;; Obsolete-since: 24.1 pgg.el:;; Obsolete-since: 24.1 s-region.el:;; Obsolete-since: 24.1 sregex.el:;; Obsolete-since: 24.1 assoc.el:;; Obsolete-since: 24.3 bruce.el:;; Obsolete-since: 24.3 cust-print.el:;; Obsolete-since: 24.3 mailpost.el:;; Obsolete-since: 24.3 mouse-sel.el:;; Obsolete-since: 24.3 patcomp.el:;; Obsolete-since: 24.3 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Oct 05 09:39:51 2021 Received: (at 50999) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Oct 2021 13:39:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39404 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mXkff-0000T9-Go for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Oct 2021 09:39:51 -0400 Received: from mail-pj1-f53.google.com ([209.85.216.53]:46023) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mXkfa-0000SN-F1 for 50999@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Oct 2021 09:39:46 -0400 Received: by mail-pj1-f53.google.com with SMTP id ls14-20020a17090b350e00b001a00e2251c8so935804pjb.4 for <50999@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 05 Oct 2021 06:39:46 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=S5vxA4L5UIBSv2qdP8q0HQItYyuzaKromzLo7FTJ+pQ=; b=XxnR85cm3HmjlMqolnriIbbtncYIjE8ZALFNdH7yCUNGT8Zao+XJaPVGvkZWAw2acR 8X2PN8LqUKO5X4okWpqjLB7Tfxi3VnjgS0V+EFDhPolt0k/gVbytXrnQdvHjSSCa2iEP 6H3IgPh/23r8ALeR1a/KBDT5YkMWV9BMDBkQnP7Ws7xBnWsZyrJhmOXcfi2yTfBp8qUH QPVqyxN/NBOGqmqvii7Axjqude9bgkDGcmWPtgbVo1682zpHR25nk4yyGL5Kk3k3HkPP 9TYVqwcGsBQEV7BIbEtC1CjhahICu0mLBtUxbQRlS80IdgtevSr/kkXcephvd4CqWe/7 phjA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530Z3GVcKjYfMUfUOUKpNilUAXeKgOglU6q98b7tT4gO3SaR0VD/ 5Rgnhv2bz5b5g1gKEN0k9AQMwSieKi0YVq5zl+tj7uVv X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzsmXNkDXxrKY54oCEIUnKwMOsaR1NRo3ygoRh7HhqyKZN4AmX7oB+Uh3aECllKTV/ihX6SPIyONgZck8y3m3o= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:5583:: with SMTP id c3mr3810084pji.133.1633441180870; Tue, 05 Oct 2021 06:39:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Tue, 5 Oct 2021 09:39:40 -0400 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <2ec2e4374dba11a63ab17609f25f7cd8@webmail.orcon.net.nz> References: <87r1d1nn5m.fsf@gnus.org> <875yuc7y44.fsf@gnus.org> <83lf374px5.fsf@gnu.org> <2ec2e4374dba11a63ab17609f25f7cd8@webmail.orcon.net.nz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2021 09:39:40 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#50999: 29.0.50; Deleting libraries obsolete since Emacs 24 To: Phil Sainty , Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50999 Cc: 50999@debbugs.gnu.org, Lars Ingebrigtsen X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Phil Sainty writes: > One such case is longlines.el -- I'd like this to not only be retained, > but also be restored to non-obsolete status. longlines.el will not be removed here, as I said in the first message in this thread. Even if it were up for removal, that would be in Emacs 30, as it was obsoleted in Emacs 24.4, and the decision is to not remove anything obsoleted in that version. I have not formed an opinion on the rest of your email, but may I propose that it might be better to open a new bug report for un-obsoleting it? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Oct 05 21:28:23 2021 Received: (at 50999) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Oct 2021 01:28:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42164 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mXvjL-00075a-Jw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Oct 2021 21:28:23 -0400 Received: from smtp-4.orcon.net.nz ([60.234.4.59]:53557) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mXvjK-00075S-7i for 50999@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Oct 2021 21:28:22 -0400 Received: from [10.253.37.70] (port=53437 helo=webmail.orcon.net.nz) by smtp-4.orcon.net.nz with esmtpa (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mXvj2-0000JA-Qn; Wed, 06 Oct 2021 14:28:04 +1300 Received: from ip-203-94-48-127.kinect.net.nz ([203.94.48.127]) via [10.253.37.253] by webmail.orcon.net.nz with HTTP (HTTP/1.1 POST); Wed, 06 Oct 2021 14:28:04 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2021 14:28:04 +1300 From: Phil Sainty To: Stefan Kangas Subject: Re: bug#50999: 29.0.50; Deleting libraries obsolete since Emacs 24 In-Reply-To: References: <87r1d1nn5m.fsf@gnus.org> <875yuc7y44.fsf@gnus.org> <83lf374px5.fsf@gnu.org> <2ec2e4374dba11a63ab17609f25f7cd8@webmail.orcon.net.nz> Message-ID: <6ab9bfbae4298079f1514812985bb224@webmail.orcon.net.nz> X-Sender: psainty@orcon.net.nz User-Agent: Orcon Webmail X-GeoIP: -- X-Spam_score: -2.9 X-Spam_score_int: -28 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50999 Cc: 50999@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , Lars Ingebrigtsen X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) On 2021-10-06 02:39, Stefan Kangas wrote: > longlines.el will not be removed here, as I said in the first message > in this thread. Oops. Apologies for missing that. > I have not formed an opinion on the rest of your email, but may > I propose that it might be better to open a new bug report for > un-obsoleting it? I'll do that now. -Phil From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Nov 10 06:21:55 2021 Received: (at 50999) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Nov 2021 11:21:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37132 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mklfv-0004Sw-Fj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Nov 2021 06:21:55 -0500 Received: from sonic306-20.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ([66.163.189.82]:41903) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mklfr-0004Sg-MG for 50999@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Nov 2021 06:21:53 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1636543305; bh=EGqG4kJ8VXABmc0BcCkRafkclONfmvelQsqOCttjCZY=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Subject:Reply-To; b=kkkRCAtGeqjIF7/DsU+PBhdGL2ieO/wcoycoRqXrPIDa+7ORUp2MuHP4Zqktjpq1AmunCaHcM03gLQ64a3Nth8dZ7ZnlOk+l1K/j2MEonaKvZMFurKnWZtC39G7k41qqaIuQwWde/FqKjAFufAL5pL2cnSFjz5mo0zZTLBXwGt53qpAtvKbtBq6Xa/Yxi5/eSPCvmPJVbNhdtb4tjJB4UzzUWdKnTb52nURdAU8KYK1ASiTrXgVux+K6yhfL7k3Ig8Hvw9e+kwyqlavkEn4vUeEoKFs1R8MCXGPVjc8tqUodiblBArIZ/htUC/vhrPra9SqCwmz+cpdRAVqzp+4SuA== X-SONIC-DKIM-SIGN: v=1; 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Wed, 10 Nov 2021 11:21:45 +0000 Received: by kubenode507.mail-prod1.omega.sg3.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 449de0b46d7debc78615de187b158275; Wed, 10 Nov 2021 11:21:39 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu To: Stefan Kangas Subject: Re: bug#50999: 29.0.50; Deleting libraries obsolete since Emacs 24 References: Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2021 19:21:35 +0800 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Sun, 3 Oct 2021 21:42:27 +0000") Message-ID: <87sfw45k8w.fsf@yahoo.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.60 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.19306 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 1778 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50999 Cc: 50999@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Stefan Kangas writes: > * lisp/obsolete/assoc.el: There are many instances of `asort', `aelement', `aput' and `adelete' in the Lisp files commonly shared around my organization, many of which have to work with Emacs 23 and even Emacs 21 (as some of our Emacs users will not move to anything newer). > * lisp/obsolete/info-edit.el: I maintain hand-written Info documentation for most software at my organization, which I edit with the mechanism provided in info-edit.el. I would really appreciate it not being removed. > * lisp/obsolete/pgg-def.el: > * lisp/obsolete/pgg-gpg.el: > * lisp/obsolete/pgg-parse.el: > * lisp/obsolete/pgg-pgp.el: > * lisp/obsolete/pgg-pgp5.el: > * lisp/obsolete/pgg.el: PGG is important for working with the various odd implementations of PGP that can be found on antiquated systems. I use it regularly at my day job, and would really appreciate it not being removed. > * lisp/obsolete/vip.el: Where I work, there is someone still using VIP. She thinks that newer packages, such as Viper, have deviated too far from the vi behaviour she remembers to still be useful to her. Of the rest, I have no specific opinion, but I'd like to ask something: why remove this code at all? Obsolete code doesn't have to be maintained, and if nobody is really interested in it, it will eventually rot. People interested in PGG or VIP will naturally come across issues in that code and fix it. So instead of removing obsolete code every N releases, how about removing all references to such code from the documentation, not byte-compiling it during builds, and not running tests on that code? A few more files in obsolete/ cannot possibly hurt, especially if nobody is expected to maintain them. 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Fri, 12 Nov 2021 04:36:30 +0000 Received: by kubenode502.mail-prod1.omega.sg3.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID a4bc53a1567855df3da8c8492248b163; Fri, 12 Nov 2021 04:36:24 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu To: Richard Stallman Subject: Re: bug#50999: 29.0.50; Deleting libraries obsolete since Emacs 24 References: <87sfw45k8w.fsf@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 12:36:21 +0800 In-Reply-To: (Richard Stallman's message of "Thu, 11 Nov 2021 23:20:07 -0500") Message-ID: <87wnleq9bu.fsf@yahoo.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.60 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.19306 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 533 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50999 Cc: 50999@debbugs.gnu.org, stefan@marxist.se X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Richard Stallman writes: > The reason we continue to maintain obsolete Lisp packages is that > some people are still using them. I'm saying that obsolete Lisp packages shouldn't be removed from the distribution just because a certain degree of time has passed. And secondly, perhaps even the ones that people "are not using" could be left as-is, without maintenance. They could still be useful in the future. Someone might decide to resurrect them, and some other unaccounted for person might still be using them. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Nov 11 23:59:29 2021 Received: (at 50999) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Nov 2021 04:59:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42878 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mlOev-0008ET-4Y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2021 23:59:29 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:33156) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mlOes-0008ED-R5 for 50999@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Nov 2021 23:59:27 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=k6YMs3erdx6KweKAJhzyhFiB/BRHLs6JrGXlZOwaFic=; b=gfTYmWZsggw3qGFGHGavktfjMs M7kxgEFkYEBg18HErz2DPgMLxdorWAGzI1lID+WyjCeTxDDR7CpU2vcmNPy04aXUfgqVRtElvFPyy dZje95r5BAcbUcj5uQUjrlvsLNPTQz4dtmgkfyWQNMH6PZ20W4P2nuTZcF23bgUJcFZ4=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mlOej-0004GQ-Kj; Fri, 12 Nov 2021 05:59:20 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Richard Stallman Subject: Re: bug#50999: 29.0.50; Deleting libraries obsolete since Emacs 24 References: <87sfw45k8w.fsf@yahoo.com> <87wnleq9bu.fsf@yahoo.com> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAElBMVEU0iCxpl1c5OSy5 vLjKoir///84OapzAAAAAWJLR0QF+G/pxwAAAAd0SU1FB+ULDAQ5NnFsHscAAAGqSURBVDjLdZQB sqMwCIbTTA/QEA8g1AtELtDn5P5nWn5I1L7dZcZW+YAfMG1KqeQqu4gQv9LNhHdhgZX6DSzS/fIu 36BMIPKfDBkaq105JTKHsyKj1IJouwgN1QKLGv0j/eOlorqByOhmHzyj/Po3wCSV5OomA7yi4Vpu YAMYk7QbePQLsLYL9L7cAU3/sx+ynOJ6FxcxlR/ckdQd/Y6mhJaf3vFMFIPMBO6+sByjy5kg22dE iKPTn56vC+wToOYjXaAOMLXwHW91l1loxE7QEJrxnN1tWwygAOZwd2wr3rZGrse7vwQQ9eA1LccA MoFNUm2Ti/iqTlB1x2ExwEcUC1DVAfTjjDmwW1Ud64rCtHkGiSdIvAIXOaLU28F6ge1glComobxf GZCQxAYsxQ7KOjVMwYCWolBXjW15hgO05IAm8FkcED4gkke4g2bOoo1b7Hw7AeZuyrYqTN4vQNaT JVBFreexHQPUVrVagjAOcKYTsHdkgNRqZeYJ8tv7YgmRUnx4/C6EGYOXUvGhMZJlPHxVv6xBfNwX DPMv8GW7l4JVqGgz9df4//gDcdx9eUwzhUUAAAAldEVYdGRhdGU6Y3JlYXRlADIwMjEtMTEtMTJU MDQ6NTc6NTQrMDA6MDBGqqDWAAAAJXRFWHRkYXRlOm1vZGlmeQAyMDIxLTExLTEyVDA0OjU3OjU0 KzAwOjAwN/cYagAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Now-Playing: Sonic Youth's _Experimental Jet Set, Trash and No Star_: "Bone" Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 05:59:17 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87wnleq9bu.fsf@yahoo.com> (Po Lu via's message of "Fri, 12 Nov 2021 12:36:21 +0800") Message-ID: <874k8ihsuy.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Po Lu via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" writes: > And secondly, perhaps even the ones that people "are not using" could be > left as-is, without maintenance. > > They could still be useful in the future. Someone might decide to > resurrect them, an [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50999 Cc: Po Lu , 50999@debbugs.gnu.org, stefan@marxist.se X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Po Lu via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" writes: > And secondly, perhaps even the ones that people "are not using" could be > left as-is, without maintenance. > > They could still be useful in the future. Someone might decide to > resurrect them, and some other unaccounted for person might still be > using them. It's just not practical. We have to get rid of things that we no longer think is very useful in Emacs, otherwise Emacs will grow unbounded, and we don't have the maintainer capacity for that. Emacs has a package system. 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Fri, 12 Nov 2021 05:11:31 +0000 Received: by kubenode511.mail-prod1.omega.sg3.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID f2bd6cf73a9c7db331ac955c81af281e; Fri, 12 Nov 2021 05:11:24 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#50999: 29.0.50; Deleting libraries obsolete since Emacs 24 References: <87sfw45k8w.fsf@yahoo.com> <87wnleq9bu.fsf@yahoo.com> <874k8ihsuy.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 13:11:20 +0800 In-Reply-To: <874k8ihsuy.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Fri, 12 Nov 2021 05:59:17 +0100") Message-ID: <87ee7mq7pj.fsf@yahoo.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.60 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.19306 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 861 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50999 Cc: 50999@debbugs.gnu.org, stefan@marxist.se, Richard Stallman X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > It's just not practical. We have to get rid of things that we no longer > think is very useful in Emacs, otherwise Emacs will grow unbounded, and > we don't have the maintainer capacity for that. What about what I proposed, i.e. not byte-compiling those files, and in general paying no attention to them? It would take quite a long time for that to have an effect on the size of Emacs. And it wouldn't require any maintenance; we could have a folder acting as a dumping ground for Lisp that would otherwise be deleted. > Emacs has a package system. If there's a feature we remove from Emacs > that people think is useful, they'll create a package for it and carry > on. What about an ELPA package, playing the same role as the dumping ground folder? I look forward to hearing your thoughts on this, thanks. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Nov 12 01:27:57 2021 Received: (at 50999) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Nov 2021 06:27:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43124 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mlQ2X-0004dA-Ku for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Nov 2021 01:27:57 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:33886) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mlQ2V-0004cx-Gh for 50999@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Nov 2021 01:27:56 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=tt218rVUBrj4eqn6avxcZq4OdmOHDUPfCgPHpiqoIc0=; b=euXc+N0aEULYlDlB04ysxzvOJt AVRzz4NU13LNCQDLjlWr2lNL2F+L7r0fOVj75L0iQ5eZbGIP+OTiHrZsjZPOdEhZeDCQoNrIH6c4f R0y6XSJ9gnpn/adZz14txXldbrG8ceb7QX5XC5Wf9gVKJznCxdK+Si4hJjsbS58lizjc=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mlQ2M-0004ri-Fp; Fri, 12 Nov 2021 07:27:49 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Po Lu Subject: Re: bug#50999: 29.0.50; Deleting libraries obsolete since Emacs 24 References: <87sfw45k8w.fsf@yahoo.com> <87wnleq9bu.fsf@yahoo.com> <874k8ihsuy.fsf@gnus.org> <87ee7mq7pj.fsf@yahoo.com> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAFVBMVEXs6+6YlH5FXpZB P0Cpo7EZV6z///+9+7fYAAAAAWJLR0QGYWa4fQAAAAd0SU1FB+ULDAYHAPyXRE0AAAFISURBVDjL tdK7doMwDAZgJYfsCOjOJezluNltIvbUoPd/lVo219Rs7T9wOPqwBNgAZ8kylUKhzTNXhck7g4TK 5RPyRqkOKUEBdFCgJIAiAqME8PkO+ukhK1wrSQq5q39pWaDIrShIQLm5df1gDStUcsG8S6Fl5nKD HGWStBKwGzSkTRguwGUyQzYSkCuNM1htPkYHGXNdS4FfAXhyj4265zUL+FR8AvzHYMNrvYNtGpW3 ERhV05kYfMumXlewWV2380zJsMDoftTDQ3mEb0PYxuA1N44CnMIQICVKPQxHSCqsYqCB3G17gFsA ANIrTHBZ4FJhUe7AYBVaJe7IHVYgDnZutZsx+RlTGwF3zPppWD6QN7hmdX8f5rV7SIhu91YOK9G8 tduMcr9nAayH9Dewh3sE9BmUkPQcAyu1GPj8F0znQGs07aJ/AK2OCyCelvJsAAAAJXRFWHRkYXRl OmNyZWF0ZQAyMDIxLTExLTEyVDA2OjA3OjAwKzAwOjAw6w6TqAAAACV0RVh0ZGF0ZTptb2RpZnkA MjAyMS0xMS0xMlQwNjowNzowMCswMDowMJpTKxQAAAAASUVORK5CYII= X-Now-Playing: Sonic Youth's _Washing Machine_: "Untitled" Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2021 07:27:45 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87ee7mq7pj.fsf@yahoo.com> (Po Lu's message of "Fri, 12 Nov 2021 13:11:20 +0800") Message-ID: <87wnldsxb2.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Po Lu writes: > What about what I proposed, i.e. not byte-compiling those files, and in > general paying no attention to them? I don't think that's feasible -- if something breaks, then people will be reporting bugs about those things. Not byte-compiling them would just be more work in the long run, because we'd be discoverin [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50999 Cc: 50999@debbugs.gnu.org, stefan@marxist.se, Richard Stallman X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Po Lu writes: > What about what I proposed, i.e. not byte-compiling those files, and in > general paying no attention to them? I don't think that's feasible -- if something breaks, then people will be reporting bugs about those things. Not byte-compiling them would just be more work in the long run, because we'd be discovering the issues later, and not when somebody does a change that requires the other files to change. > What about an ELPA package, playing the same role as the dumping ground > folder? If somebody wants to maintain vip.el externally (to take an example), then we could indeed put it in GNU ELPA. 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Not byte-compiling them would > just be more work in the long run, because we'd be discovering the > issues later, and not when somebody does a change that requires the > other files to change. How about telling people to not report bugs in those packages? For instance, a disclaimer stating "this is obsolete and unsupported -- use at your own risk". Perhaps report-emacs-bug could detect that case, and warn the user. Thanks. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Nov 13 19:47:21 2021 Received: (at 50999) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Nov 2021 00:47:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48510 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mm3g1-0004m0-EC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 13 Nov 2021 19:47:21 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:52678) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mm3fw-0004lh-3r for 50999@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 13 Nov 2021 19:47:19 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=q/oQVv/SQcOqlX3CrmmA1s/AqL8Ms1OqZMi3V+na04M=; b=tqnn7+oqHo7X4v5bcR/9rwR0bW X5M34R1xqWzyHk3g6ABaPG/rAFU7KKw2BjmeRNG6vf2czSJIj4Dnpgm85L3AdDsqrhdyBVh3shjze ZxON6Ix5HtzLvgdnl4GuwxP2+QQPh1coFK5/qU1hYWLzdi5/1eChb8OhACIinc31T0dA=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mm3fm-0005c4-OT; Sun, 14 Nov 2021 01:47:09 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Po Lu Subject: Re: bug#50999: 29.0.50; Deleting libraries obsolete since Emacs 24 References: <87sfw45k8w.fsf@yahoo.com> <87wnleq9bu.fsf@yahoo.com> <874k8ihsuy.fsf@gnus.org> <87ee7mq7pj.fsf@yahoo.com> <87wnldsxb2.fsf@gnus.org> <87v90xq3ry.fsf@yahoo.com> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAGFBMVEXaZTP7lUnrWBDM NAWjJAV7EgL72cL///8JScQPAAAAAWJLR0QHFmGI6wAAAAd0SU1FB+ULDgAsMAK6PbEAAAGBSURB VDjLlZPbbcMwDEWZxwBOAuTboTwBqQGKSt4gGSAokP1HKB+iLaftRy9iOdIxSZGUAFQn14CwGxBx 1H+9sFNb2tskkTzMjPKA/JZPuRPUwr8KqikvOD5sQCQLMuRa30HNbehAXimXNcZ8r70OAe7zY40j QcJiXkEhLmXaU2rgEa4oUS4TpQA1QEmUavKqMDzE4jg7sDXyyoAGGMIXYi4ewvIoDj7VhNWEIsHh qEnSVEh8iVmAfDn6pgqSAW2Mgo8vKwZLORAn24KDcrEtpaxBJiuigwpScPk428DE1vPIjpHUjDO1 w6CLWi2ZW6AFAHg3iMnLuoKWNSfvUQpw8B5KIxz4OSIATc7PQFk8JbWoDbRm4wZwbmcjQgswT5zq dllAdtD56RKUFdukpEI9WNqpzmgtSTHf3GdnoFjQ0bvQxWhB7e68A7UHT2vRLW7ZqLdwPHdgH6Y6 O2GMt81tvp3Ouq4jxt1Xwc5eZyM92Aher3VyfT2vHfip519A9X/wDbU84Ai1SWu2AAAAJXRFWHRk YXRlOmNyZWF0ZQAyMDIxLTExLTE0VDAwOjQ0OjQ4KzAwOjAw9DGtjQAAACV0RVh0ZGF0ZTptb2Rp ZnkAMjAyMS0xMS0xNFQwMDo0NDo0OCswMDowMIVsFTEAAAAASUVORK5CYII= X-Now-Playing: David Allred's _Smells Like Everyone's Watching_: "Borderline Art" Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 01:47:06 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87v90xq3ry.fsf@yahoo.com> (Po Lu's message of "Fri, 12 Nov 2021 14:36:17 +0800") Message-ID: <87ilwvh8c5.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Po Lu writes: > How about telling people to not report bugs in those packages? For > instance, a disclaimer stating "this is obsolete and unsupported -- use > at your own risk". > > Perhaps report-emacs-bug could d [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50999 Cc: 50999@debbugs.gnu.org, stefan@marxist.se, Richard Stallman X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Po Lu writes: > How about telling people to not report bugs in those packages? For > instance, a disclaimer stating "this is obsolete and unsupported -- use > at your own risk". > > Perhaps report-emacs-bug could detect that case, and warn the user. If we distribute code, then we'll be fixing bugs in that code. I don't think there's any way around that. We choose what code to introduce into Emacs, based on many things, but among them is a consideration whether we think that the feature will be useful to many people or not. It's the same consideration when removing features -- if we think that it's not used, then we remove it. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: oracle.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: SJ0PR10MB5488.namprd10.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: e7fef01b-2e9f-4723-4c2f-08d9a796ede4 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 14 Nov 2021 17:48:12.6516 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 4e2c6054-71cb-48f1-bd6c-3a9705aca71b X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: ipilwLkcjffr0NMLyV9H3uCD//2lKxapa3q/7yYLF+vB/+cxArkeiXiae42OR+5v6v4JKwvoQGdIBsUxD1+bKQ== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BYAPR10MB3719 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6300 definitions=10168 signatures=668683 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 mlxlogscore=754 adultscore=0 mlxscore=0 spamscore=0 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2110150000 definitions=main-2111140106 X-Proofpoint-GUID: 5JWTXbhrSJ-4G8ylnYZO53fvjdobHxWk X-Proofpoint-ORIG-GUID: 5JWTXbhrSJ-4G8ylnYZO53fvjdobHxWk X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50999 Cc: "50999@debbugs.gnu.org" <50999@debbugs.gnu.org>, "stefan@marxist.se" , Richard Stallman X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > > How about telling people to not report bugs in those packages? For > > instance, a disclaimer stating "this is obsolete and unsupported -- use > > at your own risk". > > > > Perhaps report-emacs-bug could detect that case, and warn the user. >=20 > If we distribute code, then we'll be fixing bugs in that code. I don't > think there's any way around that. I don't agree. For a long time Emacs even distributed a "contrib" directory with code provided by others. It had the right licenses, but was in no way maintained or "fixed" by Emacs dev. It was likely vetted at the outset, at least in a superficial way. And there are libraries in Emacs today that are NOT considered obsolete and yet have undergone no maintenance in years, sometimes even decades. It doesn't follow that continuing to distribute "obsolete" code imposes an obligation on Emacs dev. There's no obligation to make changes to _any_ Emacs code (with the possible exception of a moral obligation to fix moral and security bugs). > We choose what code to introduce into Emacs, based on many things, but > among them is a consideration whether we think that the feature will be > useful to many people or not. It's the same consideration when removing > features -- if we think that it's not used, then we remove it. (And we > find out by making it obsolete and seeing whether there's any > complaints.) Obviously some people think that some (maybe even all) of the "obsolete" code is useful. Why not keep it? What is really gained by removing "obsolete" code? I think the answer is "nothing". ___ Same goes for closing many bugs that are recognized as bugs but that no one is _currently_ apt to try to fix. It's logical to keep them open, but some might think it looks good somehow to close them. Closing bugs is not the same as fixing them. (One opinion.) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Nov 14 12:53:28 2021 Received: (at 50999) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Nov 2021 17:53:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51575 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mmJh2-0000h2-8x for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 14 Nov 2021 12:53:28 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:50010) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mmJh1-0000gi-Bw for 50999@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 14 Nov 2021 12:53:27 -0500 Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=60298 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mmJgv-0003pD-CV; Sun, 14 Nov 2021 12:53:21 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=4Y+n+KCzZrUc4h26r2KJkSMVfPzIqZATt4DIEsRjx7A=; b=CH5hT3Ei+12x PMdeSvoGuslbCsTRPzOdj5Onl4cMh5abp1k8kcZ7qiuNSCc6TSIvaXHY6+I8LZ0E9MlJxXpkTEqOW QU5RS95Ykm0DrLNYDaz2djoJ5KvY5A1EhXPAfB4WBOXNNU1kygiV1LrmNmaVQXns+DA8UmlKJxSr9 6GGCxdjR4WMJC29n0zs4uMxLPnxcGetVxUvFa8poHepYu1S6mRHAhY69wB55Y/DFOx+6wxLYoxj5m uvnTJMxH2jXaEpWXXFFEShqAH5Yt/QmoQZCvVgXeFL51cftCma+BQNL/Swxz1RGzcfq8vuQwybbrN nk26hRVer/ttOv4FBHWIvQ==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=4299 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mmJgo-0005zL-LH; Sun, 14 Nov 2021 12:53:15 -0500 Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 19:53:02 +0200 Message-Id: <83mtm6tyip.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams In-Reply-To: (message from Drew Adams on Sun, 14 Nov 2021 17:48:12 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#50999: [External] : bug#50999: 29.0.50; Deleting libraries obsolete since Emacs 24 References: <87sfw45k8w.fsf@yahoo.com> <87wnleq9bu.fsf@yahoo.com> <874k8ihsuy.fsf@gnus.org> <87ee7mq7pj.fsf@yahoo.com> <87wnldsxb2.fsf@gnus.org> <87v90xq3ry.fsf@yahoo.com> <87ilwvh8c5.fsf@gnus.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50999 Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, 50999@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, stefan@marxist.se, rms@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Drew Adams > Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 17:48:12 +0000 > Cc: "50999@debbugs.gnu.org" <50999@debbugs.gnu.org>, > "stefan@marxist.se" , Richard Stallman > > For a long time Emacs even distributed a "contrib" > directory with code provided by others. According to the VCS logs, we never had such a directory. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: oracle.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: SJ0PR10MB5488.namprd10.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 8da3577d-56ec-41fc-a1b1-08d9a7993a6b X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 14 Nov 2021 18:04:40.0169 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 4e2c6054-71cb-48f1-bd6c-3a9705aca71b X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: lBGMtfvkjZjpzTndBoAHAPn+Ek+q9Q0DkbooohO/etbnPBaHmcicfmyHKMpNUhAdKwCFGJrCELiXvMq2pQMFig== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BY5PR10MB3955 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6300 definitions=10168 signatures=668683 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 mlxscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 adultscore=0 malwarescore=0 mlxlogscore=640 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2110150000 definitions=main-2111140108 X-Proofpoint-GUID: _TweU6q_5Xs3aCsRV5w3lYxLEWpZrCur X-Proofpoint-ORIG-GUID: _TweU6q_5Xs3aCsRV5w3lYxLEWpZrCur X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50999 Cc: "luangruo@yahoo.com" , "50999@debbugs.gnu.org" <50999@debbugs.gnu.org>, "larsi@gnus.org" , "stefan@marxist.se" , "rms@gnu.org" X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > > For a long time Emacs even distributed a "contrib" > > directory with code provided by others. >=20 > According to the VCS logs, we never had such a directory. I distinctly remember it, and I recall using some of its code. But it was long ago. And I may have been wrong that GNU Emacs distribution included it "for a long time". How far back do the VCS logs go? Would they even have dealt with/recorded/managed code that wasn't maintained? Perhaps Richard recalls this directory. Not very important, in any case. The point is that there's no obligation to make changes (maintenance or other) to code that you've declared is "obsolete". Do you disagree with that point? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Nov 14 13:19:01 2021 Received: (at 50999) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Nov 2021 18:19:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51618 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mmK5l-0001Nd-HO for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 14 Nov 2021 13:19:01 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:54388) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mmK5k-0001NO-LS for 50999@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 14 Nov 2021 13:19:01 -0500 Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=33232 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mmK5f-00071O-76; Sun, 14 Nov 2021 13:18:55 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=Tfl97xEZyvxkACBEeV0J1jbJwejEHQHlEvRcNUv5R9Y=; b=Gimk0OXs3ugt 66TQBaJYvMWOjz6i5g35JNP6H9WkC8wWOVfZ4hb5gAiA5chhMWcBoD4Bm/DczhZJR0xnOh3S8at30 OkZADSxAjG144ZAQbM0FR64hwNett6mQ4w5UFWeosEEkf2F5yiLcw1awlXDZATMy7ZsKwD70zHly7 cR4S7qx74YesmHI0kd9gg3T8vxqqn7P+kheVqdFOHlnyr2a2wrb+Cqs01iU3W6i9OkE9GORo8okXj OWholS+svqHCC/EHL5c7mWF7jWAaJuqYbyhXm0AcgGbQebvXHbrGPkIQN42ATd5kqyPR7p1JBaWsA kEz1HGyH0d0tSa+8/VJDIg==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=1902 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mmK5Z-00075J-4L; Sun, 14 Nov 2021 13:18:49 -0500 Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 20:18:36 +0200 Message-Id: <83ilwutxc3.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams In-Reply-To: (message from Drew Adams on Sun, 14 Nov 2021 18:04:40 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#50999: [External] : bug#50999: 29.0.50; Deleting libraries obsolete since Emacs 24 References: <87sfw45k8w.fsf@yahoo.com> <87wnleq9bu.fsf@yahoo.com> <874k8ihsuy.fsf@gnus.org> <87ee7mq7pj.fsf@yahoo.com> <87wnldsxb2.fsf@gnus.org> <87v90xq3ry.fsf@yahoo.com> <87ilwvh8c5.fsf@gnus.org> <83mtm6tyip.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50999 Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, 50999@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, stefan@marxist.se, rms@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Drew Adams > CC: "larsi@gnus.org" , > "luangruo@yahoo.com" > , > "50999@debbugs.gnu.org" <50999@debbugs.gnu.org>, > "stefan@marxist.se" , "rms@gnu.org" > Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 18:04:40 +0000 > > > > For a long time Emacs even distributed a "contrib" > > > directory with code provided by others. > > > > According to the VCS logs, we never had such a directory. > > I distinctly remember it, and I recall using some > of its code. Show me some distribution that had it, and/or name some files there, and then I could have a look. (Assuming this is important.) > How far back do the VCS logs go? Back to the very first commits by RMS and friends, in early 1985. > The point is that there's no obligation to make > changes (maintenance or other) to code that you've > declared is "obsolete". It's easy for you to say that, since you don't have to pick up the gauntlet of the maintenance. The downside is non-negligible. 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The downside is non-negligible. What's the obligation to maintain any particular obsolete code? (Apart from what I mentioned: moral/security issues, and apart from possible copyright etc. issues (e.g. yow).) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Nov 14 13:58:12 2021 Received: (at 50999) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Nov 2021 18:58:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51704 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mmKhg-0004hD-Er for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 14 Nov 2021 13:58:12 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:33710) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mmKhf-0004gy-IO for 50999@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 14 Nov 2021 13:58:12 -0500 Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=34698 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mmKhZ-00043W-U3; Sun, 14 Nov 2021 13:58:05 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=ahlj6fVHDpW4wk+UeKRs5HIavWh96pEICz2g0rsTSDs=; b=kd5S2vUg90V5 6z/iEFGTpNd6jm3mgMPR0/+2URXdcg8ZbDCr9Vj5L8yAyKYzUesG8VMPjtdnYWjV/whAQbymwBmCn /QjwsnPy1T+00FNbk4lIuLJxUSpFc/PFeSGNjeKfE1ueeLHuqsKyTe3Do4RiJt/OOCRF3jkOHr08i 9M+dj3pCpMri5elHuWyubsd3Q7rNNCh8n7j3T/pzJjHaZ/WBPaa8U47WpStd8xFDm5mWBfjAf8hd3 BGz2YnwJV5Hy9ZGxCAQs50+IFU0Q1bHcAeAJw/M8YMkNbBqjSZhABum1HoVUW1q+AyZRKkbwtFjro UBaLjOKkpHKdvz7+pg9Jpw==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=4295 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mmKhL-0004og-LQ; Sun, 14 Nov 2021 13:57:52 -0500 Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 20:57:38 +0200 Message-Id: <83ee7itvj1.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams In-Reply-To: (message from Drew Adams on Sun, 14 Nov 2021 18:35:06 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#50999: [External] : bug#50999: 29.0.50; Deleting libraries obsolete since Emacs 24 References: <87sfw45k8w.fsf@yahoo.com> <87wnleq9bu.fsf@yahoo.com> <874k8ihsuy.fsf@gnus.org> <87ee7mq7pj.fsf@yahoo.com> <87wnldsxb2.fsf@gnus.org> <87v90xq3ry.fsf@yahoo.com> <87ilwvh8c5.fsf@gnus.org> <83mtm6tyip.fsf@gnu.org> <83ilwutxc3.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50999 Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, 50999@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, stefan@marxist.se, rms@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Drew Adams > CC: "larsi@gnus.org" , > "luangruo@yahoo.com" > , > "50999@debbugs.gnu.org" <50999@debbugs.gnu.org>, > "stefan@marxist.se" , "rms@gnu.org" > Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2021 18:35:06 +0000 > Accept-Language: en-US > > > > The point is that there's no obligation to make > > > changes (maintenance or other) to code that you've > > > declared is "obsolete". > > > > It's easy for you to say that, since you don't have to pick up the > > gauntlet of the maintenance. The downside is non-negligible. > > What's the obligation to maintain any particular > obsolete code? Lars answered that up-thread. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: oracle.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: SJ0PR10MB5488.namprd10.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 2b3fe16b-c755-4e4a-f47a-08d9a7b676b8 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 14 Nov 2021 21:33:56.6289 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 4e2c6054-71cb-48f1-bd6c-3a9705aca71b X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: NbmB5fsBRxC8J8h6DnYFlyHpW6FkQ4QWTWZXIu2FwUGz5AWenTdZJu9sf9V8poJQt7VSbMl8zR8xvN0bGe4YPw== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BYAPR10MB3142 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6300 definitions=10168 signatures=668683 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 mlxlogscore=900 adultscore=0 mlxscore=0 spamscore=0 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2110150000 definitions=main-2111140128 X-Proofpoint-GUID: BKQLdGIrakrT4cUgch6_p466nM_7Rdtr X-Proofpoint-ORIG-GUID: BKQLdGIrakrT4cUgch6_p466nM_7Rdtr X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50999 Cc: "luangruo@yahoo.com" , "50999@debbugs.gnu.org" <50999@debbugs.gnu.org>, "larsi@gnus.org" , "stefan@marxist.se" , "rms@gnu.org" X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > > > > The point is that there's no obligation to > > > > make changes (maintenance or other) to code > > > > that you've declared is "obsolete". > > > > > > It's easy for you to say that, since you don't > > > have to pick up the gauntlet of the maintenance. > > > The downside is non-negligible. > > > > What's the obligation to maintain any > > particular obsolete code? >=20 > Lars answered that up-thread. Where? I see that he claimed this: > If we distribute code, then we'll be fixing > bugs in that code. I don't think there's > any way around that. No reason given there - just a claim that such fixing has to be done. And elsewhere in the thread he said this: > We have to get rid of things that we no longer > think is very useful in Emacs, otherwise Emacs > will grow unbounded, and we don't have the > maintainer capacity for that. I don't see any evidence that keeping what we have means Emacs will grow unbounded. And some things are anyway removed or replaced without their ever having been made obsolete. There's no reason given there, for supposing that even unbounded growth - which would come from the growth of code that's NOT obsolete - would in any way add to the maintenance burden ("maintainer capacity" and "gauntlet of the maintenance"). Lots of holes, if that's the reason you meant to reference. But please do point to what you really mean, to make things clear. I don't see where Lars or anyone else gave a reason that would oblige anyone to fix bugs in such code. It should also be easy enough for you to restate the reason, or summarize it, if you too can't find it. ___ Here's a related question, which might hint at whether there's reason to suppose that not removing obsolete code _would_ impose a maintenance burden: When was the last maintenance done on obsolete code? When was _any_ bug fixed on such code? IOW, how about measuring past such work, as an indication of the supposed burden? This question is different from whether there's some obligation for performing such maintenance. IOW, even if we suppose such an obligation, what's the actual burden to be expected? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Dec 03 09:56:54 2021 Received: (at 50999) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Dec 2021 14:56:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51919 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mt9za-0005jh-Lr for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 03 Dec 2021 09:56:54 -0500 Received: from mail-pl1-f174.google.com ([209.85.214.174]:42796) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mt9zW-0005jL-7n for 50999@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 03 Dec 2021 09:56:52 -0500 Received: by mail-pl1-f174.google.com with SMTP id u17so2276840plg.9 for <50999@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 03 Dec 2021 06:56:50 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=VHQsBwW6DsbZndj/UAMJY8qxc77Hej4ztKaGRK1QHFI=; b=3x73mmRYJ+A03KpNp6sTSTTmCnKm/FWd8EpLSerILzZiS23Vr7pIkaZQClnKaIn2U0 dRC2v0fKw1wyG4lCvXIqgzCqNd+5aaQ9jOccAKBiVh8VPxKLpK0TP0KIhmZdofevAX7y Rby7/3wqwFfDcbSGWdrcHIsRFYOioO55PT5s7JiDlqVU7aZV4oh7pb/au8Br8Du7N6lh 2U+pTfqmuAhQ/PegvhCNNaGTiamO/sT1TovF0jMBxEqzjiGhs4aSSR8HAthTpIL6/Scs KEggIDUtUxmwQVaHDjwoE4vU9iFFasdS8YsoCD2yaT/SwFacwy19MvoLvylji+1KzLMb WSfw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531fLYwUFm7Tpcdnqm8ZAtvb2b5c61vPcZdlKIjy+Y7ZF/eFQBCV MdnEVZKkPwFvZfQnMhVAZiySZCbdn4yZmknRt7Y= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyDxPcIu4MjSIvzlrGCkLtFFVUpMwPqPUpjmxl6DHHlNgvbxFlOJeBhT8j9rsZQDwd71pvdwP6S+JN54JQY+U4= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:be10:: with SMTP id a16mr14470994pjs.133.1638543404296; Fri, 03 Dec 2021 06:56:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Fri, 3 Dec 2021 06:56:43 -0800 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Tue, 5 Oct 2021 09:39:28 -0400") References: <87r1d1nn5m.fsf@gnus.org> <875yuc7y44.fsf@gnus.org> <83lf374px5.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2021 06:56:43 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#50999: 29.0.50; Deleting libraries obsolete since Emacs 24 To: Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50999 Cc: 50999@debbugs.gnu.org, Lars Ingebrigtsen X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Stefan Kangas writes: > Eli Zaretskii writes: > >> I'd prefer to see the full list of the candidates before we decide. >> It could be that some items on the list need to get special treatment >> for some valid reasons, or perhaps because we've learned something new >> since they were obsoleted. > > This is the list: Filename Obsolete-since abbrevlist.el 24.1 complete.el 24.1 erc-hecomplete.el 24.1 old-emacs-lock.el 24.1 pc-mode.el 24.1 pc-select.el 24.1 pgg-def.el 24.1 pgg-gpg.el 24.1 pgg-parse.el 24.1 pgg-pgp.el 24.1 pgg-pgp5.el 24.1 pgg.el 24.1 s-region.el 24.1 sregex.el 24.1 assoc.el 24.3 bruce.el 24.3 cust-print.el 24.3 mailpost.el 24.3 mouse-sel.el 24.3 patcomp.el 24.3 Ping. 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Sat, 4 Dec 2021 01:52:04 +0000 Received: by kubenode518.mail-prod1.omega.sg3.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 36b3a36204f3ff36476c5deae60199c6; Sat, 04 Dec 2021 01:51:58 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu To: Stefan Kangas Subject: Re: bug#50999: 29.0.50; Deleting libraries obsolete since Emacs 24 References: <87r1d1nn5m.fsf@gnus.org> <875yuc7y44.fsf@gnus.org> <83lf374px5.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2021 09:51:53 +0800 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Fri, 3 Dec 2021 06:56:43 -0800") Message-ID: <87sfv9uog6.fsf@yahoo.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.60 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.19306 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 295 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50999 Cc: 50999@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , Lars Ingebrigtsen X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Stefan Kangas writes: > pgg-def.el 24.1 > pgg-gpg.el 24.1 > pgg-parse.el 24.1 > pgg-pgp.el 24.1 > pgg-pgp5.el 24.1 > pgg.el 24.1 > assoc.el 24.3 Please at least keep assoc.el and pgg. Thanks. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Dec 04 04:22:34 2021 Received: (at 50999) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Dec 2021 09:22:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52915 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mtRFa-0005wQ-LS for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 Dec 2021 04:22:34 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:39208) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mtRFZ-0005wE-9b for 50999@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 Dec 2021 04:22:33 -0500 Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=58180 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mtRFT-0002x5-Ou; Sat, 04 Dec 2021 04:22:27 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=RcqsYBomefNG4mortad8DFPUaNi44sxdh8uUaKVH114=; b=ppveqIFqyXfd ZsK1Ibc+B6s25u/PyFVd9o/Y0orZO/oWiImW8DYQ+dSlZA2SsZu8gYmSl5A8zbQoYkvFEZ1V4ciMt Ql7V24k02VtA9tciQHZ4qMtAb5Vny6NDXLCBc0M6KSaPnnIBO9htnvDsK+WO0doSnbSe44Ry4HBZM kARVpCTkqDujwodwIJlWJIqiXpgpUzf15hznPEnUwtIq8r37bHUNmMx5oJ/DBPinbmIBBezQ9Xw0E 2B03ELUT05lC1EfDaDiq6oCfRndIplPRek3HAYqvSH8qTBMB6fuba+btVZAYybVa2iONvOaxbpmFI 1wUzKBfRYnW1LSl/dh8asg==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=1414 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mtRFT-0001nW-4h; Sat, 04 Dec 2021 04:22:27 -0500 Date: Sat, 04 Dec 2021 11:22:19 +0200 Message-Id: <83zgpg67xw.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Fri, 3 Dec 2021 06:56:43 -0800) Subject: Re: bug#50999: 29.0.50; Deleting libraries obsolete since Emacs 24 References: <87r1d1nn5m.fsf@gnus.org> <875yuc7y44.fsf@gnus.org> <83lf374px5.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50999 Cc: 50999@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2021 06:56:43 -0800 > Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 50999@debbugs.gnu.org > > Filename Obsolete-since > > abbrevlist.el 24.1 > complete.el 24.1 > erc-hecomplete.el 24.1 > old-emacs-lock.el 24.1 > pc-mode.el 24.1 > pc-select.el 24.1 > pgg-def.el 24.1 > pgg-gpg.el 24.1 > pgg-parse.el 24.1 > pgg-pgp.el 24.1 > pgg-pgp5.el 24.1 > pgg.el 24.1 > s-region.el 24.1 > sregex.el 24.1 > > assoc.el 24.3 > bruce.el 24.3 > cust-print.el 24.3 > mailpost.el 24.3 > mouse-sel.el 24.3 > patcomp.el 24.3 > > Ping. What do you think of the above list (reformatted for easier > reading)? Thanks. I think bruce.el should be left in Emacs. (I also think it shouldn't have been moved to obsolete/, but I'm sure Glenn and others will pounce on me for saying that, so let's pretend I didn't say it.) I have no objections for removing the rest. (But please let others comment, and please take those comments into account.) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Dec 04 05:32:35 2021 Received: (at 50999) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Dec 2021 10:32:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52955 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mtSLL-0007eI-Jo for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 Dec 2021 05:32:35 -0500 Received: from mail-pg1-f171.google.com ([209.85.215.171]:45768) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mtSLJ-0007e4-SC for 50999@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 04 Dec 2021 05:32:34 -0500 Received: by mail-pg1-f171.google.com with SMTP id 133so5558114pgc.12 for <50999@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 04 Dec 2021 02:32:33 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=xCbfTxNBFWDr7EXfTKHqOwYze1gG7/uxDBb5D9vyb7g=; b=a9fdVbBYaAlw9nnJwVX/uxtd+WOujt7pLZSGEfxjWAB5vTZO4/XmPJfyZ5TSuuxHHL XiKPfWqZL4q3QpD5jzlBAqoaljM7LF0lrho+y61Y0I9QDP5H7LZOOJGV2HMitYKvUqrA rBDIyy0G/FxF1YJRqZm7TABu9Tx2a9Su0IU3kRVfnrSBZWiRJ/l/gW6VcNV0lf36p7h4 ucdstmrIEYHpPaSLvfio368w4m/8iitRz8mxqcBIboQZha7a35IsexbQnubkkhK95jwO 026FyrNvPtng4JKA0+apGQa2dVG0dhU7nx/+nYNi0tA1DSekzC0fj0IBDUnWiSEWQxXx ATuA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531NXwcWQ1bvtL7Cpd5OuVhRodNMAkRlrfZoEtyQ9LtRQzdcOYUJ eE+i+MLKEIfrSTswkGUgl2hXGxCNbsBAe4ZDQQQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJx46lH7JUbVhf5u4FEWv4mLTQ/baI/fcUu7RrFIiv1wDnOLibPeYX2Mejw8+FJ95WL+ELH/dqGfUH9m5IhDpvQ= X-Received: by 2002:a63:ff14:: with SMTP id k20mr3770418pgi.325.1638613948025; Sat, 04 Dec 2021 02:32:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Sat, 4 Dec 2021 02:32:27 -0800 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <83zgpg67xw.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87r1d1nn5m.fsf@gnus.org> <875yuc7y44.fsf@gnus.org> <83lf374px5.fsf@gnu.org> <83zgpg67xw.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2021 02:32:27 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#50999: 29.0.50; Deleting libraries obsolete since Emacs 24 To: Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50999 Cc: 50999@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Eli Zaretskii writes: > I think bruce.el should be left in Emacs. (I also think it shouldn't > have been moved to obsolete/, but I'm sure Glenn and others will > pounce on me for saying that, so let's pretend I didn't say it.) > > I have no objections for removing the rest. (But please let others > comment, and please take those comments into account.) Thanks, will do. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Dec 05 07:31:50 2021 Received: (at 50999) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Dec 2021 12:31:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56541 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mtqgH-0007vF-Iu for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Dec 2021 07:31:49 -0500 Received: from mail-pj1-f45.google.com ([209.85.216.45]:53195) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mtqgF-0007pU-S4 for 50999@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Dec 2021 07:31:48 -0500 Received: by mail-pj1-f45.google.com with SMTP id h24so5717865pjq.2 for <50999@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 05 Dec 2021 04:31:47 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=IrfL6LaiyoYjOcB6WdI+Ss1tZEW9efI86d6DLIENRmU=; b=GWW26TLm6vRvH0CF8c1S3uMVyjL19WaR/tkxzwXwirmYxlFGHzy/Sw67/VYjwkrqy2 4zFtLsyiPDJi5LUvYUa6HI+/mOlTGOAa6P4oszWAWiKgl2lz404a2DtNDyGW9B+yQfrq y+u6GPnYP4WtAkYkwViNWEXFyA96So9vc7Tiipw9hsro7N7glT3VkT0eANSjP9PDlRRp BJvkWBfsQHxKgPWSk1Kt9ptUGu6FJIWHOBjE5qnVkIWY0y1OSARecEg60OdMmtJz21Cc XDBDashWqWletFob3QaGo6ATcDJFmcNML8qx2KATkuOre9P/lJdctTJWN7zBk9424NNf L7mg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531RJr+wzmhVdKoFgFWZH1ek1n0lhJTkiwF6zNzNg0bT7NyetCIZ P7bPjcjs4vPnhOeWW3Qz2KOv6u/MtoEroxuY2Gs= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxD+DWjOpuGSYBD+GEeJRAfBeXxzE13v4yBW148BjKOArMs0uZpvZ3/usPW+lNae2zDSPj7jMua16ajvV8T0Mk= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:be10:: with SMTP id a16mr29027840pjs.133.1638707502150; Sun, 05 Dec 2021 04:31:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Sun, 5 Dec 2021 13:31:41 +0100 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <87sfv9uog6.fsf@yahoo.com> (Po Lu's message of "Sat, 04 Dec 2021 09:51:53 +0800") References: <87r1d1nn5m.fsf@gnus.org> <875yuc7y44.fsf@gnus.org> <83lf374px5.fsf@gnu.org> <87sfv9uog6.fsf@yahoo.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2021 13:31:41 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#50999: 29.0.50; Deleting libraries obsolete since Emacs 24 To: Po Lu Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50999 Cc: 50999@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , Daiki Ueno , Lars Ingebrigtsen X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Po Lu writes: > Stefan Kangas writes: > >> pgg-def.el 24.1 >> pgg-gpg.el 24.1 >> pgg-parse.el 24.1 >> pgg-pgp.el 24.1 >> pgg-pgp5.el 24.1 >> pgg.el 24.1 >> assoc.el 24.3 > > Please at least keep assoc.el and pgg. We are looking into deleting pgg*.el, but Po Lu has requested that they remain. pgg*.el was marked obsolete by its original author Daiki Ueno in 2010. Po Lu writes: > PGG is important for working with the various odd implementations of PGP > that can be found on antiquated systems. I use it regularly at my day > job, and would really appreciate it not being removed. Daiki, any comments here? Thanks in advance. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Dec 05 07:32:06 2021 Received: (at 50999) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Dec 2021 12:32:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56547 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mtqgX-00087c-W4 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Dec 2021 07:32:06 -0500 Received: from mail-pf1-f174.google.com ([209.85.210.174]:45654) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mtqgV-00080h-Jm for 50999@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Dec 2021 07:32:04 -0500 Received: by mail-pf1-f174.google.com with SMTP id x131so7498843pfc.12 for <50999@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 05 Dec 2021 04:32:03 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=5cb90VydRVv06eUNwu3npFq2S/yUSUu5NC7nfl77sKQ=; b=BqyeAX72d48G18F+v4k5d/czISrvTVM8Ig7vlrecX8O9DaNdXrCBIw1Awi2jR5XKmz W1g0mYJN8IEQaokCljMK+pCin58W52ZygOSFRxg2jEAxfaFS26WTPGNS+LkHUhyDe7tg eGJC2oREjKZwL6XlZ6KaHrFJufEkARJ7AT5xSaIOQArjQ2vwi/tlibNPRr5H1uGAHtCq 0Bdh3SXXxqoz7PKmfsXTRcyL8nwraKbV0ZxSpaMQ7TpnpvK75jSkOQ3GgbjFvculDNOx /6YkJTvKMXwaSfzC8zfz31eVPhJCUTyvmv44/UEm4sC/EYLFlbA2SREx8ubN4WXGr8AO Oz+A== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530LnIuyH03YS/rK1JVc0gayp7HA3flsZX1JxwG8SNM+He/R7bAD E59DODqDyuRMv7M65OefhogT9+oTf4ANEPGdkR4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyGmkqPQSQid/+PQlMbDZWR2+uH9wa57ua8Mm447anE2D/M2+otf6um9FSA8Nj3DAbuEt/jqCKCV2ob/Q8ihgg= X-Received: by 2002:a63:f4a:: with SMTP id 10mr13560810pgp.435.1638707517831; Sun, 05 Dec 2021 04:31:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Sun, 5 Dec 2021 13:31:57 +0100 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <87sfv9uog6.fsf@yahoo.com> (Po Lu's message of "Sat, 04 Dec 2021 09:51:53 +0800") References: <87r1d1nn5m.fsf@gnus.org> <875yuc7y44.fsf@gnus.org> <83lf374px5.fsf@gnu.org> <87sfv9uog6.fsf@yahoo.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2021 13:31:57 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#50999: 29.0.50; Deleting libraries obsolete since Emacs 24 To: Po Lu Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50999 Cc: 50999@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , Lars Ingebrigtsen , Stefan Monnier X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Po Lu writes: > Stefan Kangas writes: > >> pgg-def.el 24.1 >> pgg-gpg.el 24.1 >> pgg-parse.el 24.1 >> pgg-pgp.el 24.1 >> pgg-pgp5.el 24.1 >> pgg.el 24.1 >> assoc.el 24.3 > > Please at least keep assoc.el and pgg. We are looking into deleting assoc.el, but Po Lu has requested that it remains. assoc.el was marked obsolete by Stefan Monnier in 2012. Po Lu writes: > There are many instances of `asort', `aelement', `aput' and `adelete' > in the Lisp files commonly shared around my organization, many of which > have to work with Emacs 23 and even Emacs 21 (as some of our Emacs users > will not move to anything newer). Stefan, any comments here? Thanks in advance. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Dec 05 15:56:09 2021 Received: (at 50999) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Dec 2021 20:56:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59767 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mtyYL-0003K1-4J for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Dec 2021 15:56:09 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:39796) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mtyYH-0003JV-8M for 50999@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Dec 2021 15:56:07 -0500 Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=49948 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mtyYB-0008FN-S1; Sun, 05 Dec 2021 15:55:59 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:To: From; bh=p9sNDvTFDoVtn92rfwBzhABOJApvWZkELdYJ3DgBYQg=; b=AJlzyVLBf6XuNxysIHGk 84yUbZdQG0M6UAafXmxwFvRabDiPGwneBtZcctT3enwuxZqPdhnh0BVop6cghqlXo3FIpBAmOCpFb Wk4iwic9iwvTgCYVSOpy18lqNbPunRbhYXpdraR5cvBQRr/pz2Ys+1DRh9NCTGLu0stSs7BonKZ/R QdtlYXiDtm2z1Fzf5UlGswmBwP88j8uDh/wtd80MJ/ToRR567opwuKHcZfuakPsccr80zL1oeB0Pp 2Pi1vfa/K51IY45FEL3uKGrHKzVDrJkZakGp8lUXPkvOCGpGPyLIusJnrFsIULozrXTjgLq9rLCz4 ER05MkXDJ9F6/A==; Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mtyYB-0002FL-RB; Sun, 05 Dec 2021 15:55:59 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: Stefan Kangas Subject: Re: bug#50999: 29.0.50; Deleting libraries obsolete since Emacs 24 References: <87r1d1nn5m.fsf@gnus.org> <875yuc7y44.fsf@gnus.org> <83lf374px5.fsf@gnu.org> <87sfv9uog6.fsf@yahoo.com> X-Spook: PLF Islam Abduganievich Karimov IRA beanpole Power outage X-Ran: E^>2.Zaz,z.KMih|h){*')6o8r,m+`(;\p`qi|:Xzh%/CDRTRf}CZ-Jlcp>)^Sk5&}%T6\ X-Hue: brightblack X-Attribution: GM Date: Sun, 05 Dec 2021 15:55:59 -0500 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Sun, 5 Dec 2021 13:31:57 +0100") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50999 Cc: Po Lu , 50999@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , Lars Ingebrigtsen , Stefan Monnier X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) >> There are many instances of `asort', `aelement', `aput' and `adelete' >> in the Lisp files commonly shared around my organization, many of which >> have to work with Emacs 23 and even Emacs 21 (as some of our Emacs users >> will not move to anything newer). If it were me, I'd just bundle assoc.el with my code, rather than ask upstream to distribute it forever. 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Tue, 7 Dec 2021 02:21:38 +0000 Received: by kubenode502.mail-prod1.omega.sg3.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 801997b1247052d502163fc8db7ae101; Tue, 07 Dec 2021 02:21:33 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu To: Glenn Morris Subject: Re: bug#50999: 29.0.50; Deleting libraries obsolete since Emacs 24 References: <87r1d1nn5m.fsf@gnus.org> <875yuc7y44.fsf@gnus.org> <83lf374px5.fsf@gnu.org> <87sfv9uog6.fsf@yahoo.com> Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2021 10:21:28 +0800 In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Sun, 05 Dec 2021 15:55:59 -0500") Message-ID: <87czm9jgt3.fsf@yahoo.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.60 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.19415 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 276 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50999 Cc: 50999@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , Stefan Kangas , Lars Ingebrigtsen , Stefan Monnier X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Glenn Morris writes: > If it were me, I'd just bundle assoc.el with my code, rather than ask > upstream to distribute it forever. That raises the question of where to put assoc.el. It might also lead to a proliferation of various incompatible versions of it. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Dec 06 22:07:09 2021 Received: (at 50999) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Dec 2021 03:07:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35807 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1muQov-0007p5-Hh for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2021 22:07:09 -0500 Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:54730) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1muQou-0007om-2J for 50999@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 06 Dec 2021 22:07:08 -0500 Received: from pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 6B0B2442176; Mon, 6 Dec 2021 22:07:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 1FE344420D1; Mon, 6 Dec 2021 22:07:01 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1638846421; bh=/++IurUmRZj9BnfMJaBqdqodMfsSkWHinXDiD/ZyKIw=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=oYhZuFsxcHvpK1RxSXoaIwEWGC2bPAK+U+FpiqPBXtPEFtKi80GTqln4xpcTq5C8j 2PVU6d1qfDjIaiCfbYCxhaVDbBEsIN1omegasE/5mvFz0fM8vT4pxMgf/nKwWtGVQg xSUGm4lVCa2CtGaPUvWGaXMngTW0/x65GerB9p4wCI58ZO4XDM/a48xZon3A6ZhJUX WlkYsRZ4IYbKkoSCjcYGvakvvA+yfXAi4DggWyqfxxA9nH6Ca5Jkjg7eemPPYdW3dM Ssosig6pcafA5CihDiwjP1QcltjCDzHkEV0HT/eGhVPt3O5BuZXqrDiyPYXMLHd43G naatHsDIoD/Lg== Received: from pastel (unknown [216.154.30.173]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D0B9312090C; Mon, 6 Dec 2021 22:07:00 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier To: Po Lu Subject: Re: bug#50999: 29.0.50; Deleting libraries obsolete since Emacs 24 Message-ID: References: <87r1d1nn5m.fsf@gnus.org> <875yuc7y44.fsf@gnus.org> <83lf374px5.fsf@gnu.org> <87sfv9uog6.fsf@yahoo.com> <87czm9jgt3.fsf@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2021 22:07:00 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87czm9jgt3.fsf@yahoo.com> (Po Lu's message of "Tue, 07 Dec 2021 10:21:28 +0800") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-SPAM-INFO: Spam detection results: 0 ALL_TRUSTED -1 Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP AWL -0.280 Adjusted score from AWL reputation of From: address BAYES_00 -1.9 Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% DKIM_SIGNED 0.1 Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid DKIM_VALID -0.1 Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature DKIM_VALID_AU -0.1 Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain KAM_NUMSUBJECT 0.5 Subject ends in numbers excluding current years X-SPAM-LEVEL: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50999 Cc: Glenn Morris , Eli Zaretskii , Stefan Kangas , Lars Ingebrigtsen , 50999@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Po Lu [2021-12-07 10:21:28] wrote: > Glenn Morris writes: >> If it were me, I'd just bundle assoc.el with my code, rather than ask >> upstream to distribute it forever. > That raises the question of where to put assoc.el. I recommend /dev/null for it. > It might also lead to a proliferation of various incompatible versions > of it. Seeing that there's been basically no substantial made to it in a decade (other than cosmetic fixes), I wouldn't worry about it. Also because its semantics is sufficiently twisted that it'd be pretty hard to make any non-trivial change without risking breaking something. Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Dec 07 16:26:42 2021 Received: (at 50999) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Dec 2021 21:26:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38824 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1muhz0-0008BI-O0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 07 Dec 2021 16:26:42 -0500 Received: from mail-pf1-f173.google.com ([209.85.210.173]:44004) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1muhyy-0008B2-9G for 50999@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 07 Dec 2021 16:26:41 -0500 Received: by mail-pf1-f173.google.com with SMTP id k26so568505pfp.10 for <50999@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 07 Dec 2021 13:26:40 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=RSMoa8ZGY+ARlnbkiDXDZZRX/EHab1kxb7zeYq0bN4g=; b=fkSdXogo+CaxMW3pEqq8IBBprSUb5XxwIisCJ33F4FCAEL6koyX6ZYchDpw+24oM/y Fgn8yez+oOBSHfH2VTLWppYSlQRbh5JCT4LQ/mB133wRhOs4wDIrllN4OxAQRCc9VO56 xA0gRnvjFwt2JBBQGyhvhPJygOrGpxN/sb6Ua+FNGoptXt22MuMaWsQg9Barkfv5QHfg p74ZolOF+c29jSDaZcacS6dlP4swoAxaAMx14NcZtbnZkb+N6i22/O7dxbfLvz2OUx5d yQYjEY+OTaGUH+1zVi7dBIMpooNK2XMbm7gJJR4QC4QuvpzPR3zSfQJd6Uga8W9MmaiS 1eYg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532KUTrIImycsTr/NQWPxGaICsq93arJPIVPbCMwrlmnnWraNyk7 vVRZafp6PXSbetVtQlFXRvaLGWt9XMh9r6JwV/I= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwORJsyjv//3XuuIAiiXNkk+Zyts9kb0i4aKCj6KB5nyQFqKR5y5Ae5R3jlQ3w4pB3mIZ0qZIzEHuNdtOLYbLM= X-Received: by 2002:a63:f4a:: with SMTP id 10mr25607369pgp.435.1638912394558; Tue, 07 Dec 2021 13:26:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Tue, 7 Dec 2021 22:26:34 +0100 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: References: <87r1d1nn5m.fsf@gnus.org> <875yuc7y44.fsf@gnus.org> <83lf374px5.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2021 22:26:34 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: RE: [External] : bug#50999: 29.0.50; Deleting libraries obsolete since Emacs 24 To: Drew Adams , Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50999 Cc: "50999@debbugs.gnu.org" <50999@debbugs.gnu.org>, Lars Ingebrigtsen , Stefan Monnier X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Drew Adams writes: >> Filename Obsolete-since >> complete.el 24.1 > > Please don't delete complete.el. > > (It actually deserves some up-to-date love. > I expect it may even get some, what with the > recent revival of interest in completion.) Care to elaborate? Meanwhile, I'm copying in Stefan Monnier who marked that library as obsolete, in case he has any comments. 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Tue, 07 Dec 2021 13:58:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Tue, 7 Dec 2021 22:58:14 +0100 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: References: <87r1d1nn5m.fsf@gnus.org> <875yuc7y44.fsf@gnus.org> <83lf374px5.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2021 22:58:14 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: RE: [External] : bug#50999: 29.0.50; Deleting libraries obsolete since Emacs 24 To: Drew Adams , Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50999 Cc: "50999@debbugs.gnu.org" <50999@debbugs.gnu.org>, Lars Ingebrigtsen , Stefan Monnier X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Drew Adams writes: > Very sorry. I was thinking of completion.el, > not complete.el. Sorry for the noise. OK, thanks for clarifying. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Dec 07 20:37:53 2021 Received: (at 50999) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Dec 2021 01:37:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39189 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mulu5-00007J-HB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 07 Dec 2021 20:37:53 -0500 Received: from mail-pl1-f180.google.com ([209.85.214.180]:39890) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mulu1-00006z-Dq for 50999@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 07 Dec 2021 20:37:52 -0500 Received: by mail-pl1-f180.google.com with SMTP id z6so497429plk.6 for <50999@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 07 Dec 2021 17:37:49 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=ztfur42pl6yUzXZsLnZugqeIjvlFUgOA7CrJAG0g0to=; b=l9asLy1jNP+3FSVua7TpvYswc1LZIVb9zpVh/kSre6OzhbuqeNNc5qmKzOyKLrrjot 6t++ijYd4+dlklU7UCZ3CgzzVdOem/r5EC5IawsAVGmij7tafXMtUmi4AagGsKIOsxsf k2rK0EZBjRbZC3rqoB9ZYCDF3HTWk2EtfSYbnAr9kI1SMwe4aHZieE/jvwIa1/poZeqO 3Ct7+U+5DjL2+uR3MQ3TCf/pC0SWVt4T3g3cAT3TBwb7SEy8bc1Dn+SsksIaPQGuS3+u 92p5HqC3z1R1vp7fSUEHebjl+ef3he3JkniwgOkUDvGWu9rEQ2JYvF6V+8+NuNPmE0Iv 6Gjw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM53291eDy4jFBeB/hpkV8jWtbtJL2XIL6BQWGHDwAUIJd9Cqqi9B7 z2SpwSTf2siOtu5Ypa/9A0wp3ULxOLzYh0MGcqA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxYo2P1JE+FJ6YT3UqxR0Ksz7bf8einy7/aCXA6FOhBsMHiZGUVc3oF8Sp6Fa4uKG+D+JYrbIV4m1S+26+Br9o= X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:c145:b0:142:50c3:c2a with SMTP id 5-20020a170902c14500b0014250c30c2amr55551097plj.32.1638927463732; Tue, 07 Dec 2021 17:37:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Wed, 8 Dec 2021 02:37:43 +0100 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Mon, 06 Dec 2021 22:07:00 -0500") References: <87r1d1nn5m.fsf@gnus.org> <875yuc7y44.fsf@gnus.org> <83lf374px5.fsf@gnu.org> <87sfv9uog6.fsf@yahoo.com> <87czm9jgt3.fsf@yahoo.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2021 02:37:43 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#50999: 29.0.50; Deleting libraries obsolete since Emacs 24 To: Stefan Monnier Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50999 Cc: Po Lu , Glenn Morris , Eli Zaretskii , Lars Ingebrigtsen , 50999@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Stefan Monnier writes: > Po Lu [2021-12-07 10:21:28] wrote: >> Glenn Morris writes: >>> If it were me, I'd just bundle assoc.el with my code, rather than ask >>> upstream to distribute it forever. >> That raises the question of where to put assoc.el. > > I recommend /dev/null for it. > >> It might also lead to a proliferation of various incompatible versions >> of it. > > Seeing that there's been basically no substantial made to it in a decade > (other than cosmetic fixes), I wouldn't worry about it. > Also because its semantics is sufficiently twisted that it'd be pretty > hard to make any non-trivial change without risking breaking something. To summarize this discussion, it seems like those who still need that file should just keep a local copy. One idea is to just copy the definitions from that short file to any files that still use them. (If it was me, I'd just wrap the definition in unless+fboundp.) 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Wed, 8 Dec 2021 02:13:40 +0000 Received: by kubenode513.mail-prod1.omega.sg3.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID aa167b6f8914c78dcc60ea88fcfefc8f; Wed, 08 Dec 2021 02:13:33 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu To: Stefan Kangas Subject: Re: bug#50999: 29.0.50; Deleting libraries obsolete since Emacs 24 References: <87r1d1nn5m.fsf@gnus.org> <875yuc7y44.fsf@gnus.org> <83lf374px5.fsf@gnu.org> <87sfv9uog6.fsf@yahoo.com> <87czm9jgt3.fsf@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2021 10:13:28 +0800 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Wed, 8 Dec 2021 02:37:43 +0100") Message-ID: <87ee6ng7xz.fsf@yahoo.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.60 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.19415 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 436 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50999 Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , Glenn Morris , Eli Zaretskii , Stefan Monnier , 50999@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Stefan Kangas writes: > To summarize this discussion, it seems like those who still need that > file should just keep a local copy. > One idea is to just copy the definitions from that short file to any > files that still use them. (If it was me, I'd just wrap the definition > in unless+fboundp.) I will give that a try, but please wait at least a week for me to make some noise if it causes problems. Thanks. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jun 17 08:03:37 2022 Received: (at 50999) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Jun 2022 12:03:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44020 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o2AhN-0000Gx-Fj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 17 Jun 2022 08:03:37 -0400 Received: from mail-io1-f44.google.com ([209.85.166.44]:46711) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o2AhL-0000Ga-IU for 50999@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 17 Jun 2022 08:03:35 -0400 Received: by mail-io1-f44.google.com with SMTP id b138so4286732iof.13 for <50999@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 17 Jun 2022 05:03:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=0nqRRS09rLBF0WrJm1H42iRJl2Fl6Qj1FcnUmH4JbA4=; b=qZh364dF9/Bfu3s1Le1t+xe9pBkULft0e6mKLxphQ0iFgf+KknGD1e8ybipye2YmAL QK2vI4rGWm7Q8PyhSRxCy5JD8eRMUQ1nIWIjNH6rRaCJ2wNCyLOxYpC1iV+YQK+oFFau cG08AuTtYCpyP76BwQFJ+C4iy9fcg5g6vlKu1psmn0kQ1rJ3cAFRe59yq9f5I1/0/MeG 2YQIAhbinLM+ItgZxnwnN5ifhWOQYu0/uZw+rH/A2tsKuIOKsQJkP7b4Nw8XmP0skzRl T6/GdjdJzn1p7BqW1psFFBieUN5NShU4VTgj9prSW0zJNTOghlXAdZihbMye0egy7VNl oYkQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AJIora86AzvOVukl8r307bHe+fb1s8w8awvsj0LRqqR1W7THUA4pwLqa irrrOjjsVc4AtMKoLXFEBMrjdSRnbLaOySOKfCs= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGRyM1t3bPDZpty+Yste8HoRk+hOT99EhwH8lLl+K0USifebK1nfAjnjP/eGPN+bFd53h7vymVWyGWPZvdW6HhdLlBM= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6638:1450:b0:332:6b4:e894 with SMTP id l16-20020a056638145000b0033206b4e894mr5342103jad.296.1655467410040; Fri, 17 Jun 2022 05:03:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Fri, 17 Jun 2022 05:03:28 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <83zgpg67xw.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 04 Dec 2021 11:22:19 +0200") References: <87r1d1nn5m.fsf@gnus.org> <875yuc7y44.fsf@gnus.org> <83lf374px5.fsf@gnu.org> <83zgpg67xw.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2022 05:03:28 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#50999: 29.0.50; Deleting libraries obsolete since Emacs 24 To: Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50999 Cc: 50999@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) close 50999 29.1 thanks Eli Zaretskii writes: > I think bruce.el should be left in Emacs. (I also think it shouldn't > have been moved to obsolete/, but I'm sure Glenn and others will > pounce on me for saying that, so let's pretend I didn't say it.) > > I have no objections for removing the rest. (But please let others > comment, and please take those comments into account.) Two reviewers requested that bruce.el and pgg-*.el should be left for now, but the discussion showed that the rest can go. So I have now done that on master (commit 17b3f8d56e), and I'm closing this bug report. Assuming that the kept libraries are still marked obsolete, it seems natural to reconsider their deletion in time for Emacs 30. From unknown Fri Aug 15 16:22:57 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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