From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Sep 29 13:20:49 2021 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Sep 2021 17:20:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50086 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mVdGD-00058q-4E for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 13:20:49 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:58788) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mVdGB-00058f-81 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 13:20:47 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:45018) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mVdGB-0004qB-1t for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 13:20:47 -0400 Received: from relay5-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.197]:32989) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mVdG5-0003fb-Vy for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 13:20:46 -0400 Received: (Authenticated sender: juri@linkov.net) by relay5-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7DFB51C000C for ; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 17:20:36 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: Disable show-paren-mode in special modes Organization: LINKOV.NET Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 20:10:57 +0300 Message-ID: <87wnmzfgfy.fsf_-_@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.70.183.197; envelope-from=juri@linkov.net; helo=relay5-d.mail.gandi.net X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.6 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) >> Sounds good to me, but are there any special-modes where it is useful? >> >> Perhaps we can just disable it in `special-mode', and if we think of >> some modes where it seems really useful, we re-enable it for them? > > I can't think of any special modes where it's useful, so I think that > sounds like a plan. So here is a new request created from bug#50881. 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Content preview: forcemerge 50894 50895 quit Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) forcemerge 50894 50895 quit From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Sep 29 13:57:33 2021 Received: (at 50894) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Sep 2021 17:57:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50154 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mVdpl-0008MF-8W for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 13:57:33 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:49278) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mVdpj-0008Ly-MX for 50894@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 13:57:32 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:38948) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mVdpe-0002Y3-Es; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 13:57:26 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:3499 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mVdpd-000275-Uq; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 13:57:26 -0400 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 20:57:36 +0300 Message-Id: <83tui3gt7z.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Juri Linkov In-Reply-To: <87wnmzfgfy.fsf_-_@mail.linkov.net> (message from Juri Linkov on Wed, 29 Sep 2021 20:10:57 +0300) Subject: Re: bug#50894: Disable show-paren-mode in special modes References: <87wnmzfgfy.fsf_-_@mail.linkov.net> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50894 Cc: 50894@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Juri Linkov > Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 20:10:57 +0300 > > >> Sounds good to me, but are there any special-modes where it is useful? > >> > >> Perhaps we can just disable it in `special-mode', and if we think of > >> some modes where it seems really useful, we re-enable it for them? > > > > I can't think of any special modes where it's useful, so I think that > > sounds like a plan. > > So here is a new request created from bug#50881. Sorry, but I object to turning show-paren-mode off just 5 min after we turned it on. Please wait for a month at least before reporting problems with that setting that are not clear bugs. 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So does this mean that if someone has previously turned on `show-paren-mode' (globally) s?he now has to explicitly turn it on in `special-mode'? If so, why impose that backward-incompatible change? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Sep 29 15:55:13 2021 Received: (at 50894) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Sep 2021 19:55:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50330 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mVffc-0005II-PH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 15:55:12 -0400 Received: from relay10.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.178.230]:59239) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mVffa-0005Ht-9k for 50894@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 15:55:12 -0400 Received: (Authenticated sender: juri@linkov.net) by relay10.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 08DA5240005; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 19:55:02 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#50894: Disable show-paren-mode in special modes Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <87wnmzfgfy.fsf_-_@mail.linkov.net> <83tui3gt7z.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 22:54:20 +0300 In-Reply-To: <83tui3gt7z.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Wed, 29 Sep 2021 20:57:36 +0300") Message-ID: <87pmsruphu.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50894 Cc: 50894@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) >> >> Sounds good to me, but are there any special-modes where it is useful? >> >> >> >> Perhaps we can just disable it in `special-mode', and if we think of >> >> some modes where it seems really useful, we re-enable it for them? >> > >> > I can't think of any special modes where it's useful, so I think that >> > sounds like a plan. >> >> So here is a new request created from bug#50881. > > Sorry, but I object to turning show-paren-mode off just 5 min after we > turned it on. Please wait for a month at least before reporting > problems with that setting that are not clear bugs. If you read a book where every paren is emphasized, what would you think about the author? 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: oracle.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: SJ0PR10MB5488.namprd10.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 3b487661-946c-4f3c-fb40-08d983876746 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 29 Sep 2021 20:26:22.4820 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 4e2c6054-71cb-48f1-bd6c-3a9705aca71b X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: 1jS30WUqm0gZT2/q5qv2F4AGSDObL7X8oHK6erd/IXsFZwKxoNA1O30m6W/OqQPcUH44GCB4fsGIuAjkHNlCdQ== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BY5PR10MB4035 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6300 definitions=10122 signatures=668683 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 mlxlogscore=742 suspectscore=0 mlxscore=0 spamscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 phishscore=0 malwarescore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2109230001 definitions=main-2109290119 X-Proofpoint-GUID: TjfdalbRy3gpas_SqQIcL5kDirsMVRPR X-Proofpoint-ORIG-GUID: TjfdalbRy3gpas_SqQIcL5kDirsMVRPR X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50894 Cc: "50894@debbugs.gnu.org" <50894@debbugs.gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > If you read a book where every paren is emphasized, > what would you think about the author? If I read that book in a reader app, I'd look to see if that was a visualization option - but only if I didn't find it useful. We cater to users. We give them optional behaviors. Some such we turn on by default. Some users don't like the default behaviors, so they customize. Nothing new. We saw similar arguments back when the choice was made to turn on `font-lock-mode' globally by default. Until that momentous decision it was off. Imagine the consternation of the multitudes who suddenly found it on. They survived, and so did Emacs. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Sep 30 03:02:01 2021 Received: (at 50894) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Sep 2021 07:02:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51261 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mVq4v-0001rO-JW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 30 Sep 2021 03:02:01 -0400 Received: from relay1-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.193]:34267) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mVq4s-0001qu-62 for 50894@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 30 Sep 2021 03:02:00 -0400 Received: (Authenticated sender: juri@linkov.net) by relay1-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DFE90240009; Thu, 30 Sep 2021 07:01:50 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: [External] : bug#50894: Disable show-paren-mode in special modes Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <87wnmzfgfy.fsf_-_@mail.linkov.net> <83tui3gt7z.fsf@gnu.org> <87pmsruphu.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 09:58:35 +0300 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Wed, 29 Sep 2021 20:26:22 +0000") Message-ID: <877deyeehw.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50894 Cc: "50894@debbugs.gnu.org" <50894@debbugs.gnu.org>, Eli Zaretskii X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) >> If you read a book where every paren is emphasized, >> what would you think about the author? > > If I read that book in a reader app, I'd look to > see if that was a visualization option - but only > if I didn't find it useful. > > We cater to users. We give them optional behaviors. > Some such we turn on by default. Some users don't > like the default behaviors, so they customize. > > Nothing new. The question is whether emphasizing the parens at the first line of 'C-h C-h' was an intentional change or not. If not, then it's a bug. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Sep 30 04:47:05 2021 Received: (at 50894) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Sep 2021 08:47:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51436 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mVrib-0006jR-8a for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 30 Sep 2021 04:47:05 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:48228) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mVriZ-0006ix-3W for 50894@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 30 Sep 2021 04:47:03 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:36330) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mVriT-00047t-LB; Thu, 30 Sep 2021 04:46:57 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:2377 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mVriT-0000jv-6Y; Thu, 30 Sep 2021 04:46:57 -0400 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 11:47:07 +0300 Message-Id: <83ilyih2lw.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Juri Linkov In-Reply-To: <87pmsruphu.fsf@mail.linkov.net> (message from Juri Linkov on Wed, 29 Sep 2021 22:54:20 +0300) Subject: Re: bug#50894: Disable show-paren-mode in special modes References: <87wnmzfgfy.fsf_-_@mail.linkov.net> <83tui3gt7z.fsf@gnu.org> <87pmsruphu.fsf@mail.linkov.net> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50894 Cc: 50894@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Juri Linkov > Cc: 50894@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 22:54:20 +0300 > > >> So here is a new request created from bug#50881. > > > > Sorry, but I object to turning show-paren-mode off just 5 min after we > > turned it on. Please wait for a month at least before reporting > > problems with that setting that are not clear bugs. > > If you read a book where every paren is emphasized, > what would you think about the author? It doesn't matter what I think. If I don't like that, I can turn it off. Moreover, some special modes display code fragments, where show-paren-mode is definitely useful, especially to newbies who don't yet have parenthesis peeling off burnt into their brains. Even *Help* buffers show code fragments. Please, just let this feature alone for a while. Disable it in your customizations if you cannot stand it. We can come back to it later, when we have enough experience collected from those who will see this default for the first time when Emacs 28.1 is released. They are those for whom we made this change, so let's hear their opinions before changing anything. My personal experience suggests that at least some of them will have no problems where you see them. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Sep 30 05:49:32 2021 Received: (at 50894) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Sep 2021 09:49:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51494 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mVsh2-0008Jg-6i for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 30 Sep 2021 05:49:32 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:60032) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mVsgz-0008JR-IT for 50894@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 30 Sep 2021 05:49:30 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:37720) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mVsgs-0005D8-MU; Thu, 30 Sep 2021 05:49:23 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:2261 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mVsgs-0006BE-EC; Thu, 30 Sep 2021 05:49:22 -0400 Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 12:49:33 +0300 Message-Id: <83bl4agzpu.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Juri Linkov In-Reply-To: <877deyeehw.fsf@mail.linkov.net> (message from Juri Linkov on Thu, 30 Sep 2021 09:58:35 +0300) Subject: Re: [External] : bug#50894: Disable show-paren-mode in special modes References: <87wnmzfgfy.fsf_-_@mail.linkov.net> <83tui3gt7z.fsf@gnu.org> <87pmsruphu.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <877deyeehw.fsf@mail.linkov.net> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50894 Cc: 50894@debbugs.gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Juri Linkov > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , "50894@debbugs.gnu.org" > <50894@debbugs.gnu.org> > Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2021 09:58:35 +0300 > > > We cater to users. We give them optional behaviors. > > Some such we turn on by default. Some users don't > > like the default behaviors, so they customize. > > > > Nothing new. > > The question is whether emphasizing the parens at the > first line of 'C-h C-h' was an intentional change or not. > If not, then it's a bug. The intent is to emphasize parens _everywhere_. That's what the feature does, and that's what we intended to turn on by default, and asked users to provide feedback about. 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Content preview: Juri Linkov writes: >>> Sounds good to me, but are there any special-modes where it is useful? >>> >>> Perhaps we can just disable it in `special-mode', and if we think of >>> some modes where it seems really useful, we [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50894 Cc: 50895@debbugs.gnu.org, 50894@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Juri Linkov writes: >>> Sounds good to me, but are there any special-modes where it is useful? >>> >>> Perhaps we can just disable it in `special-mode', and if we think of >>> some modes where it seems really useful, we re-enable it for them? >> >> I can't think of any special modes where it's useful, so I think that >> sounds like a plan. > > So here is a new request created from bug#50881. So I've now done this in Emacs 29. 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