From unknown Sun Aug 10 16:50:58 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#50860 <50860@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#50860 <50860@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: Core-updates-frozen world rebuild coordination Reply-To: bug#50860 <50860@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2025 23:50:58 +0000 retitle 50860 Core-updates-frozen world rebuild coordination reassign 50860 guix submitter 50860 Leo Famulari severity 50860 normal thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Sep 27 19:07:51 2021 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Sep 2021 23:07:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43116 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mUzix-0001Mt-2s for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Sep 2021 19:07:51 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:40158) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mUziw-0001Mm-0V for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Sep 2021 19:07:50 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36560) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mUziv-0002qW-Sa for bug-guix@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Sep 2021 19:07:49 -0400 Received: from out5-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.29]:60685) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mUziu-0000B1-Ey for bug-guix@gnu.org; Mon, 27 Sep 2021 19:07:49 -0400 Received: from compute3.internal (compute3.nyi.internal [10.202.2.43]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DE435C0135; Mon, 27 Sep 2021 19:07:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute3.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 27 Sep 2021 19:07:47 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=famulari.name; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mime-version:content-type; s= mesmtp; bh=3LmqdsfgMaYvmRKMsOfvtQStU8m9L8/TDKjCe9lYpqg=; b=XunBm HLeLOLxiyY3sL+gqmvR1DsDhpO4dA/QTc2VWKqAbkB9pReTMlHfMRYMme0egAOSf 7XZOm+XT3G5+TTHwyhMk4I4+dSXF3KpFtWZSe6N7PCjSEn4d2hHFZVur45lk98md B2hlffFaV9g62e01YskmAzMSXaS760AEIuvxAw= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=content-type:date:from:message-id :mime-version:subject:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender :x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm3; bh=3LmqdsfgMaYvmRKMsOfvtQStU8m9L 8/TDKjCe9lYpqg=; b=OT0pVLuzuuBqiHKzKZTuEq0CRfc0uhoHcM8alLYTiuNNq fP4Xq5DxrgE7WxweEEpryzgfEup/OX2isWkmJoxs+vaqQIt+ZStEQe5rgYAVSi28 d0tSKg6hknGaXhZAhaPpHfoqedRFGqQSKmal3qOA3IND1SxhpqXS0FwUXiRT/XCR VmJwrsjMKvNcqih1kcxEBCVbTwc2dgfLNfenTmLNJSVvp1ZxYd0IhdGf0F6I+LsR 6l0rcfzvQuFIGSNrFSRHU/MnDFMYeLHfhVx7b2B5ZmnS/rrh2yjZ98cgqQJaezHc KFu2vRPielNPltuUwlBcb3wHnNNC0pZeKCCcdIJTQ== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvtddrudejledgudeiucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucenucfjughrpeffhffvuffkgggtugesthdtredttd dtvdenucfhrhhomhepnfgvohcuhfgrmhhulhgrrhhiuceolhgvohesfhgrmhhulhgrrhhi rdhnrghmvgeqnecuggftrfgrthhtvghrnhepueeiudeijeduffdvhfejvdegvdehgffgje dvveekfeefleefkeeuieejudevtedunecuffhomhgrihhnpehgnhhurdhorhhgnecuvehl uhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomheplhgvohesfhgrmh hulhgrrhhirdhnrghmvg X-ME-Proxy: Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA for ; Mon, 27 Sep 2021 19:07:47 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2021 19:07:45 -0400 From: Leo Famulari To: bug-guix@gnu.org Subject: Core-updates-frozen world rebuild coordination Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Received-SPF: pass client-ip=66.111.4.29; envelope-from=leo@famulari.name; helo=out5-smtp.messagingengine.com X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) For the current core-updates cycle, there is some talk of "rebuilding the world" to fix "glibc looks for $sysconfdir/etc/localtime rather than /etc/localtime". We can also include the shortened Rust bootstrap and the tzdata update, respectively: How does that sound? 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Content preview: block 50860 with 50859 block 50860 with 50830 block 50860 with 50358 Content analysis details: (1.3 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at https://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [66.111.4.29 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record -0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2 RBL: Average reputation (+2) [66.111.4.29 listed in wl.mailspike.net] 1.8 MISSING_SUBJECT Missing Subject: header 0.2 NO_SUBJECT Extra score for no subject X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) block 50860 with 50859 block 50860 with 50830 block 50860 with 50358 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Sep 27 22:38:44 2021 Received: (at 50860) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Sep 2021 02:38:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43302 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mV311-0000Cq-Va for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Sep 2021 22:38:44 -0400 Received: from mail-4317.protonmail.ch ([185.70.43.17]:16362) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mV310-0000Cd-F8 for 50860@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Sep 2021 22:38:43 -0400 Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2021 02:38:33 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail; t=1632796715; bh=me3tWLOfTnunFVKZMBEbPWERIPWQK1nSDDQTn/CSVyg=; h=Date:To:From:Reply-To:Subject:From; b=GzP+g0oL/DhzU0PJLDXzf7PWlkNQh7L8XAlPRixilFPAedCienZ/LYLkQcgAYmr08 Z/VHsodIHmfzYqmX+g/AJhGrVA64Puh3IQPzRGHEE1BkZ94ERifmMXmLF9Y7ZRGGgL 4ZgQZ8dyKM+qnQ8yGllE0L5lEuRzWLjMpyJZWat8= To: "50860@debbugs.gnu.org" <50860@debbugs.gnu.org> From: John Kehayias Subject: Core-updates-frozen world rebuild coordination Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=10.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,FREEMAIL_FROM shortcircuit=no autolearn=disabled version=3.4.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on mailout.protonmail.ch X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50860 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: John Kehayias Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hi all, Thanks for coordinating this Leo. Is there anything else with huge rebuilds= to push together? I don't want to keep finding and adding things, but two possibilities come = to mind that I've just noticed: 1a. p11-kit #49957 https://issues.guix.gnu.org/49957 I've just hit this bug on core-updates-frozen as well, though was originall= y reported on master. As I noted there, I tried to test with just grafts bu= t didn't fix it for me (I'm guessing grafting won't work with that configur= e flag change). The patch matches how nix configures p11-kit as well, due t= o this bug. 1b. p11-kit is also now out of date. The changelog doesn't look substantial= or serious, but given the nature of p11-kit I wonder if we want to update = it now too. https://github.com/p11-glue/p11-kit/releases/tag/0.24.0 2. (minor) Mesa has had a few more bugfix and major releases since my initi= al patch for core-updates-frozen. Now at 21.1.8 for the 21.1 branch (we hav= e 21.1.6 currently), but 21.2 has also had stable releases, with 21.2.2. I = previously built 21.2.1 and sent a patch for it, and could test 21.2.2 if w= e want to do that too. I'm aware this could continue forever, and #2 is likely lower priority. #1,= though, should we consider p11-kit a critical update (version, at least) s= ince we're still fixing core-updates-frozen? Thanks everyone! John From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Sep 29 10:36:11 2021 Received: (at 50860-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Sep 2021 14:36:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49767 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mVagt-0004Ls-3X for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 10:36:11 -0400 Received: from wout5-smtp.messagingengine.com ([64.147.123.21]:33431) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mVagq-0004LX-8W; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 10:36:09 -0400 Received: from compute4.internal (compute4.nyi.internal [10.202.2.44]) by mailout.west.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 089FF3200368; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 10:36:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute4.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 29 Sep 2021 10:36:02 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=famulari.name; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to; s=mesmtp; bh=VWcHPfgIbBPJn7/u8KMgTcbO2qNZ+/tuqnLExouqkbI=; b=BudZvHJzEwgy A9lmUprwNVSR3/nDKVVx9+lGQUeS9mUUmXJGp9OyfGU5tw0hIGVt+K5cFoEsB9Y8 CJWW2p9IsZpLRgMNmAeXO5yMrh+qN9e8mo6EeI+NAVqwM4w95asjUJHO9PAP7yVY BkIbX2IqmqMu/drtbZce3eS9G4HznwY= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender :x-sasl-enc; s=fm3; bh=VWcHPfgIbBPJn7/u8KMgTcbO2qNZ+/tuqnLExouqk bI=; b=D7gdoS5Ge6SrfhCWBqCCDgMANly9I2FkFmdVDyaLit5VBIYv7tjm3PmJ0 EMC0/QpGSZArWEdSOUuadzHjKXL6KaRPVmNxJol4pxfUPPqI3kszh6fXdmvbYP/K Aljp8FxvZrRwuu4hTqPgBfoKThI5ERu0aeO1NhNrnkg/iykY57g1TIuPEMfux4x4 rvL0uJnrUfM49tPsvEU4vBJFfcqwc532byKmA1JAM3fGsY50qpRyx42VE8fQazH/ H630RLJPabiQPGg7jK4JxmMzvY6fH8He8I8f+kzCVLbrGwTpFQQ0IQ+v1Q8Ub+dQ RM0uLZOQTYx0zYHebjU4oxUayR76A== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvtddrudekvddgjeeiucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmne cujfgurhepfffhvffukfhfgggtugfgjgesthekredttddtjeenucfhrhhomhepnfgvohcu hfgrmhhulhgrrhhiuceolhgvohesfhgrmhhulhgrrhhirdhnrghmvgeqnecuggftrfgrth htvghrnhepgfduffettedtkeekudfhgfefgfeifeegueeitedujeffleeiudeuieffgfdu gfdunecuffhomhgrihhnpehgnhhurdhorhhgnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenuc frrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomheplhgvohesfhgrmhhulhgrrhhirdhnrghmvg X-ME-Proxy: Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 10:36:01 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 10:35:58 -0400 From: Leo Famulari To: Ludovic =?iso-8859-1?Q?Court=E8s?= Subject: Re: bug#50830: [core-updates-frozen] glibc looks for $sysconfdir/etc/localtime rather than /etc/localtime Message-ID: References: <87czovkqtp.fsf@inria.fr> <87mtnxhgk5.fsf@gnu.org> <87ee99f3vq.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <87ee99f3vq.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50860-done Cc: John Kehayias , "50830@debbugs.gnu.org" <50830@debbugs.gnu.org>, 50860-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 11:25:45AM +0200, Ludovic Courtès wrote: > Leo Famulari skribis: > > > On Mon, Sep 27, 2021 at 11:08:58PM +0200, Ludovic Courtès wrote: > >> So here’s a patch to fix it, and another one to do a minor cleanup > >> operation. > > > > I created a "tracking bug" to coordinate rebuilding the world: > > > > > > There was already , and I made this > bug a blocker. I’ll email guix-devel so we can coordinate. Oh, my mistake. I hadn't noticed that #50358 was about more than the Rust bootstrap. I'm closing my duplicated bug. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Sep 29 10:46:53 2021 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Sep 2021 14:46:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49794 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mVarF-0006Bl-8C for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 10:46:53 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:50170) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mVarE-0006Aa-1N for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 10:46:52 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:37604) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mVarD-0001zH-Mi for bug-guix@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 10:46:51 -0400 Received: from wout5-smtp.messagingengine.com ([64.147.123.21]:33165) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mVarB-0001ge-G3 for bug-guix@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 10:46:51 -0400 Received: from compute4.internal (compute4.nyi.internal [10.202.2.44]) by mailout.west.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5EE433200B7A; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 10:46:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute4.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 29 Sep 2021 10:46:47 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=famulari.name; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:in-reply-to; s=mesmtp; bh=q8gkRi6fnrXZWYwXKakHwQXP QBZqTIW3devgRF7fAU8=; b=PFOhakSnC06J274Bv2NcJROhvqY60UXTql47IH3W NxJqOisXC6uBCDpMkntepcBQFGLdWRiR/sZQ+6m1U6JTyIhy8p+7Gm7+1fnzBrsf zQNc1zgokHNQ8IwB+w4yinh62PWAa/GMGyLtRjVSNCT6R58D5szP+eiis4yVbCnm 0gA= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-proxy :x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm3; bh=q8gkRi 6fnrXZWYwXKakHwQXPQBZqTIW3devgRF7fAU8=; b=gdpifwy60LJ0qAKBpOm+M0 aR9y1KqHR04D2FIbezvs9J4R7wc2TG1RGIr3jghPZPfBi2EzhetzIKVcjdlIDM65 IBoC7x/Hw/A5vz8GPUlk5/xvr+BR/u3ELbFlnveoZaS4/FyJyKH4mkDKivY//i0a 9L5eRvfr407Gc8DYSjJWD0pOd4Kp/UXHDXRYaPZd/canqveMipRV7x7k7X8qdqtR INqttQofjddkvPnJ9qzyvv7+T+C5Q4ynL02AesRuXhd/XfbGTttuyCaI5htp3ow3 xBfqcN/bcpKW4AC0q8gk0LTBwB+e+kF4XuD3azCqCks7C39+bIvIkN2agr6VmCKg == X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvtddrudekvddgjeelucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmne cujfgurhepfffhvffukfhfgggtuggjsehttdertddttddvnecuhfhrohhmpefnvghoucfh rghmuhhlrghrihcuoehlvghosehfrghmuhhlrghrihdrnhgrmhgvqeenucggtffrrghtth gvrhhnpeehgeefvdekgfduueehjedtjedtvdeiheelkeevhfelvdejvefftdevleevgeei jeenucffohhmrghinhepghhnuhdrohhrghdpghhithhhuhgsrdgtohhmnecuvehluhhsth gvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomheplhgvohesfhgrmhhulhgr rhhirdhnrghmvg X-ME-Proxy: Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 10:46:46 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 10:46:44 -0400 From: Leo Famulari To: John Kehayias via Bug reports for GNU Guix Subject: Re: bug#50860: Core-updates-frozen world rebuild coordination Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Received-SPF: pass client-ip=64.147.123.21; envelope-from=leo@famulari.name; helo=wout5-smtp.messagingengine.com X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit Cc: "50860@debbugs.gnu.org" <50860-done@debbugs.gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 02:38:33AM +0000, John Kehayias via Bug reports for GNU Guix wrote: > Thanks for coordinating this Leo. Is there anything else with huge rebuilds to push together? We are moving the coordination to , which already existed for this purpose. I hadn't really noticed it properly! > I don't want to keep finding and adding things, but two possibilities come to mind that I've just noticed: > > 1a. p11-kit #49957 https://issues.guix.gnu.org/49957 > > I've just hit this bug on core-updates-frozen as well, though was originally reported on master. As I noted there, I tried to test with just grafts but didn't fix it for me (I'm guessing grafting won't work with that configure flag change). The patch matches how nix configures p11-kit as well, due to this bug. If that bug primarily affects Flatpak, I suggest using the solution you described, which is to create another p11-kit package and use it for Flatpak. > 1b. p11-kit is also now out of date. The changelog doesn't look substantial or serious, but given the nature of p11-kit I wonder if we want to update it now too. https://github.com/p11-glue/p11-kit/releases/tag/0.24.0 I think that's okay: everything is "out of date" on core-updates-frozen at this point. We have to eventually settle on a dependency graph and stick with it, or we'll never finish the cycle. If there are security vulnerabilities, then we can fix them in the "normal way": with grafts. It's not possible for us, with the processes and humanpower we have, to make a working distro that is 100% up to date. > 2. (minor) Mesa has had a few more bugfix and major releases since my initial patch for core-updates-frozen. Now at 21.1.8 for the 21.1 branch (we have 21.1.6 currently), but 21.2 has also had stable releases, with 21.2.2. I previously built 21.2.1 and sent a patch for it, and could test 21.2.2 if we want to do that too. > > I'm aware this could continue forever, and #2 is likely lower priority. #1, though, should we consider p11-kit a critical update (version, at least) since we're still fixing core-updates-frozen? Yeah, it could continue forever. Eventually we have to accept the bugs we have on the branch and finish the work. We can't keep updating core packages continually or we will never finish the cycle and deploy the updates for users. The changes that we make at this late stage of the core-updates cycle are either 1) bugs that break functionality 2) critical security problems that can't be fixed with a graft and 3) important fixes that aren't expected to break other packages. Updating the time zone database and shortening the Rust boostrap are examples of type 3. If you still think 1a or 1b are important to include in the current core-updates cycle, please let us know in #50358! From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Sep 29 13:00:42 2021 Received: (at 50860) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Sep 2021 17:00:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50049 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mVcwj-0000uq-Qr for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 13:00:42 -0400 Received: from minsky.hcoop.net ([104.248.1.95]:60060) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mVcwe-0000kw-Sp for 50860@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 13:00:40 -0400 Received: from marsh.hcoop.net ([45.55.52.66]) by minsky.hcoop.net with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mVcwZ-0001Dz-J5; Wed, 29 Sep 2021 13:00:31 -0400 Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2021 13:00:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Jack Hill X-X-Sender: jackhill@marsh.hcoop.net To: Leo Famulari Subject: Re: bug#50860: Core-updates-frozen world rebuild coordination In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: User-Agent: Alpine 2.21 (DEB 202 2017-01-01) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50860 Cc: 50860@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Wed, 29 Sep 2021, Leo Famulari wrote: > On Tue, Sep 28, 2021 at 02:38:33AM +0000, John Kehayias via Bug reports for GNU Guix wrote: >> Thanks for coordinating this Leo. Is there anything else with huge rebuilds to push together? > > We are moving the coordination to , > which already existed for this purpose. I hadn't really noticed it > properly! > >> I don't want to keep finding and adding things, but two possibilities come to mind that I've just noticed: >> >> 1a. p11-kit #49957 https://issues.guix.gnu.org/49957 >> >> I've just hit this bug on core-updates-frozen as well, though was originally reported on master. As I noted there, I tried to test with just grafts but didn't fix it for me (I'm guessing grafting won't work with that configure flag change). The patch matches how nix configures p11-kit as well, due to this bug. > > If that bug primarily affects Flatpak, I suggest using the solution you > described, which is to create another p11-kit package and use it for > Flatpak. I'm not sure the flatpak/p11-kit problem will be so easily fixed. As I understand it, flatpak talks to a p11-kit server process over a socket. The server may have been started by something other than flatpak, so it might not be the fixed version. > If you still think 1a or 1b are important to include in the current > core-updates cycle, please let us know in #50358! I'm not comfortable deciding whether or not this should block the merge, so I'll defer to someone else who has more experience making those types of judgments. Best, Jack From unknown Sun Aug 10 16:50:58 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2021 11:24:05 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator