From unknown Sun Jun 15 08:53:39 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#50811: 28.0.50; Misleading Docstring for read-string function Resent-From: =?UTF-8?Q?Codru=C8=9B?= Constantin =?UTF-8?Q?Gu=C8=99oi?= Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2021 08:29:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 50811 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 50811@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: "bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org" Reply-To: =?UTF-8?Q?Codru=C8=9B?= Constantin =?UTF-8?Q?Gu=C8=99oi?= Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.16326448966623 (code B ref -1); Sun, 26 Sep 2021 08:29:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Sep 2021 08:28:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35711 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mUPWC-0001ik-BW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 26 Sep 2021 04:28:16 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:50004) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mUPWA-0001id-OM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 26 Sep 2021 04:28:15 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:47820) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mUPWA-00028d-GY for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Sep 2021 04:28:14 -0400 Received: from mail1.protonmail.ch ([185.70.40.18]:49121) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mUPW7-0004hT-Ih for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 26 Sep 2021 04:28:13 -0400 Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2021 08:28:05 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=codrut.pro; s=protonmail2; t=1632644886; bh=/vGSPv5NCqHlJxF4qsr61as+6j/LZY8u3PBpGvA1hnM=; h=Date:To:From:Reply-To:Subject:From; b=QJu6VKqdJayb8OBeDNH2ILgKnQ0dSjf8rjLkXpeGfD77+bEZi5QxmWLGfNJHfTKhP MNJ2nqwnezj1QQI/d/dO7T5Zuua4yQemqrYoUW1my7TeCMpGxcfcr2scil2hK34fbf OyhDY9icOycq9VKsv0vVBNGcPD2dc2pouOlktT3dRlHylJ/T16lDj+kWHyvdwIrgz5 YBgRW71wsB/3XKE7QuRZOvKttfDakjs/mOB5QhFwZl2HDlBcG0uLrVyVUqBC980Ouk qRGQLCSMhO6KFG/H2agufdQtVvfWfSgvDrkPwG+ToscNrdiWzr8ngf4mmK/3XQhxny eIA9e02YjaYYA== From: =?UTF-8?Q?Codru=C8=9B?= Constantin =?UTF-8?Q?Gu=C8=99oi?= Message-ID: <_54OEp0LYzdxgXLLnOGpPKIfp0dH3AVBE0pzUGBTFZW_r1v5IQw7Vf4Ij-ugCTXUw-UVAneeffL-Kt1PV2XuwrSeFXFllKCypAD2pZ1cQZs=@codrut.pro> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=10.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,T_PDS_PRO_TLD shortcircuit=no autolearn=disabled version=3.4.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on mailout.protonmail.ch Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.70.40.18; envelope-from=mail@codrut.pro; helo=mail1.protonmail.ch X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_PDS_PRO_TLD=0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) While trying to solve and issue in an emacs pacage: https://github.com/Alex= ander-Miller/cfrs/pull/6 I encountered the following docstring entry for th= e read-string function: ``` If non-nil, second arg INITIAL-INPUT is a string to insert before reading. This argument has been superseded by DEFAULT-VALUE and should normally be= nil in new code. It behaves as INITIAL-CONTENTS in `read-from-minibuffer' (w= hich see). ``` This is misleading since INITIAL-INPUT behaves differently from DEFAULT-VAL= UE: ``` ;; No pre-completed value, returns "" when empty. (read-string "PROMPT ") ;; Pre-completed with "A", returns "" when empty. (read-string "PROMPT " "A") ;; Pre-completed with "A", returns "B" when empty. (read-string "PROMPT " "A" nil "B") ;; No pre-completed value, returns "B" when empty. (read-string "PROMPT " nil nil "B") ``` Not sure what should be done here, either remove that note, since both argu= ments do a different job, or change the code to pass around DEFAULT-VALUE i= nstead of INITIAL-INPUT internally when INITIAL-INPUT is nil, as the docstr= ing suggests. But the latter feels weird to me as getting rid of INITIAL-IN= PUT would be a breaking change so it's probably never going to be removed f= rom the arguments list. Also I am not sure what the initial intention of su= perseding INITIAL-INPUT was. Let me know what you think works best and I can submit patches. Cheers, Codru=C8=9B www.codrut.pro From unknown Sun Jun 15 08:53:39 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#50811: 28.0.50; Misleading Docstring for read-string function Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2021 04:23:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 50811 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: =?UTF-8?Q?Codru=C8=9B?= Constantin =?UTF-8?Q?Gu=C8=99oi?= Cc: 50811@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 50811-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B50811.16327165527482 (code B ref 50811); Mon, 27 Sep 2021 04:23:02 +0000 Received: (at 50811) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Sep 2021 04:22:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39349 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mUi9v-0001wb-PU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Sep 2021 00:22:32 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:57578) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mUi9u-0001wJ-C2 for 50811@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Sep 2021 00:22:31 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID :In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=nUEkjaQ4s6J8MuF8Xe1RSRMsNdTeZwM3Ol13n3EbVlg=; b=rXghAq4TInU2nWct4J8cWBRHkc 1v73ZAj1n058cqEfRjPO51+nOjQCqPigvMMdqFVmsTWEGWYL3t+PvZPGvGCUPe2UbJwK3cQoJiion +xyGcn3ke3g32JF6cj9shC8XX8fw4BcOBjtf9+S+Hqo4iIuP/vEDdjEPqcF+1QVteodM=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=elva) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mUi9l-0001ps-Q9; Mon, 27 Sep 2021 06:22:24 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <_54OEp0LYzdxgXLLnOGpPKIfp0dH3AVBE0pzUGBTFZW_r1v5IQw7Vf4Ij-ugCTXUw-UVAneeffL-Kt1PV2XuwrSeFXFllKCypAD2pZ1cQZs=@codrut.pro> X-Now-Playing: Alice Coltrane's _Journey in Satchidananda_: "Stopover Bombay" Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2021 06:22:21 +0200 In-Reply-To: <_54OEp0LYzdxgXLLnOGpPKIfp0dH3AVBE0pzUGBTFZW_r1v5IQw7Vf4Ij-ugCTXUw-UVAneeffL-Kt1PV2XuwrSeFXFllKCypAD2pZ1cQZs=@codrut.pro> ("=?UTF-8?Q?Codru=C8=9B?= Constantin =?UTF-8?Q?Gu=C8=99oi?="'s message of "Sun, 26 Sep 2021 08:28:05 +0000") Message-ID: <877df2ps02.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: =?UTF-8?Q?Codru=C8=9B?= Constantin =?UTF-8?Q?Gu=C8=99oi?= writes: > If non-nil, second arg INITIAL-INPUT is a string to insert before reading. > This argument has been superseded by DEFAULT-VALUE and should normally be nil > in new code. It behaves as INITIAL-CONTEN [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Codru=C8=9B Constantin Gu=C8=99oi writes: > If non-nil, second arg INITIAL-INPUT is a string to insert before reading. > This argument has been superseded by DEFAULT-VALUE and should normally = be nil > in new code. It behaves as INITIAL-CONTENTS in `read-from-minibuffer' = (which > see). > ``` > > This is misleading since INITIAL-INPUT behaves differently from DEFAULT-V= ALUE: The doc string isn't claiming that INITIAL-INPUT behaves like DEFAULT-VALUE -- it says that you shouldn't use INITIAL-INPUT. The point is that we want to move away from pre-filled prompts in Emacs, and instead put the default in the "future history", i.e., say (read-string "PROMPT " nil nil "B") and then the user should `M-n' to edit the default. --=20 (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Sep 27 00:22:37 2021 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Sep 2021 04:22:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39352 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mUiA1-0001wu-3M for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Sep 2021 00:22:37 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:57592) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mUi9z-0001wT-PV for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Sep 2021 00:22:36 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Subject:From:To:Message-Id:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=SGidsNTqVWPIRF0BM9msJCK9H2G8hnkCg8aLTmohhyA=; b=TI2YRf36KbFxh6B5ZKN7k0mGWm 26DfqWfiyydwXmg7bXpH/kDQcwWHOEjGd2cfXbqwjmz6ua+Yt/8vc696NVqUil8wS+vTdMpItqo9M bBlu2KdqBHW+czOPg5cg/agEQ6A78HfgJdIZ3cT9ATLJ7By+jxl/T8/m8VzjxjL1K/88=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=elva) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mUi9r-0001q1-0T for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Sep 2021 06:22:29 +0200 Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2021 06:22:26 +0200 Message-Id: <875yumprzx.fsf@gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #50811 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: =?UTF-8?Q?Codru=C8=9B?= Constantin =?UTF-8?Q?Gu=C8=99oi?= writes: > That's exactly the behaviour I need for renaming a file, for example; a > prompt pre-filled with the current filename. It's the same UX as in every > other program that does this sort of functionali [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Codru=C8=9B Constantin Gu=C8=99oi writes: > That's exactly the behaviour I need for renaming a file, for example; a > prompt pre-filled with the current filename. It's the same UX as in every > other program that does this sort of functionality and the extra keypress > makes it harder to use. I wasn't part of the discussions when this happened (I think it was more than a decade ago), but I think the idea was that users were annoyed that (in many cases) they had to remove the default completely before being able to type stuff in. That is, with (read-string "PROMPT " "This is the very long default") you have to delete all that before you can type in "foo", which is what you wanted to say. (Or `C-a C-k' is you're an expert.) Putting the default in the "future history" means that the user can type "foo" immediately (if they want that), or RET if they want the default, or `M-n' if they want to edit the default. --=20 (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Sep 27 00:41:00 2021 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Sep 2021 04:41:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39369 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mUiRo-0004Y6-HN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Sep 2021 00:41:00 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:57794) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mUiRm-0004Xt-Qz for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Sep 2021 00:40:59 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Subject:From:To:Message-Id:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=DgVRJLw8IkRFoI12F7nJidesEf+jPXk9kddy0AIrQtg=; b=Z/k6WA0Qqi7IAOC4l1puAiZXJo Xk7TM+Mlb+8cZbqRKw2RE72GlCE6OpCgGebm7Y+ZTPCIGe3H3n6aK8SWcroMy6dRkz+mAkJDLS3Qo BSVQezQVfKGmQ6eKGRhW7htfR0VLqFIZ/emcDDUqX6NZ+XX6/qEu4cyJFWmD7epV/vOM=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=elva) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mUiRe-0001zl-Ut for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Sep 2021 06:40:53 +0200 Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2021 06:40:47 +0200 Message-Id: <87pmsuockw.fsf@gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #50811 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: =?UTF-8?Q?Codru=C8=9B?= Constantin =?UTF-8?Q?Gu=C8=99oi?= writes: > Bash has `C-u` for this, but that obviously can't be used in emacs. May I > suggest a variable that controls the behaviour instead of changing it > completely in the future? Just don't take my INITI [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Codru=C8=9B Constantin Gu=C8=99oi writes: > Bash has `C-u` for this, but that obviously can't be used in emacs. May I > suggest a variable that controls the behaviour instead of changing it > completely in the future? Just don't take my INITIAL-VALUE away :) It's not going anywhere, it's just discouraged. :-) People writing third-party code are free to follow the UI guidance or not, of course. 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