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In (emacs) Spelling: '-' should instead be ' ' (as it is elsewhere in the manual). No modifier syntax. 2. In (emacs) Editing Binary Files: 'C-h a hexl-' should be something else. The space after C-h and after a doesn't mean type a SPC char, but you expect readers to see hexl- as meaning type those 5 chars. At least add a space before , but even that isn't a real fix. The notation -<...> should be used only following a modifier, as in M-. 3. Same problem as #2, in (emacs) Mac/GNUstep Events. 'M-x ns-service-'=20 4. (emacs) Windows Keyboard. Is `W' introduced anywhere as a modifier key? What is 'W-'? 5. Throuhout the Emacs manual, sometimes it's C-, sometimes it's C-. (And I don't mean in code, e.g., as an arg to `kbd'.) Is this correct? The contexts seem to be the same/similar: "pressing" or "using" such a key sequence. There are other, similar such seeming inconsistencies / problems with other modified function keys. In GNU Emacs 26.3 (build 1, x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2019-08-29 Repository revision: 96dd0196c28bc36779584e47fffcca433c9309cd Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 10.0.19042 Configured using: `configure --without-dbus --host=3Dx86_64-w64-mingw32 --without-compress-install 'CFLAGS=3D-O2 -static -g3'' From unknown Sun Jun 22 17:14:53 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#50792: 26.3; Key notation typos Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2021 02:01:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 50792 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Drew Adams Cc: 50792@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 50792-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B50792.16325352204490 (code B ref 50792); Sat, 25 Sep 2021 02:01:01 +0000 Received: (at 50792) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Sep 2021 02:00:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59806 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mTwzD-00019y-QN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Sep 2021 22:00:20 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:34030) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mTwzC-00012C-DF for 50792@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Sep 2021 22:00:18 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=5/5KputBimE9xBX9dJIGMzweLg5KPigxyuyL/FGhmRk=; b=hQ/TgV07LMa/iJgn2I8Ig8zNZU X1PSOFpqWs+UVLfCB57lp41YrJmYVCX6MoO0eNBnKwNKyhfsAIcrr4mgu/d6Ax//QZfim4jUicTnv Bf+ERzJh+jkyfe9o7sK1YG4NDRNV+nZWNOUGz/ygyoKY9goSKHvPJbuyqKJ/YPU8urYw=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=elva) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mTwz3-0008G2-DQ; Sat, 25 Sep 2021 04:00:11 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: X-Now-Playing: Bertine Zetlitz's _Beautiful So Far_: "Sick Communication" Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2021 04:00:08 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Fri, 24 Sep 2021 22:43:17 +0000") Message-ID: <87zgs1pg7r.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Drew Adams writes: > '-' should instead be ' ' (as it is elsewhere in the > manual). No modifier syntax. Yup; fixed now. Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Drew Adams writes: > '-' should instead be ' ' (as it is elsewhere in the > manual). No modifier syntax. Yup; fixed now. > 2. In (emacs) Editing Binary Files: > > 'C-h a hexl-' should be something else. The space after C-h and > after a doesn't mean type a SPC char, but you expect readers to see > hexl- as meaning type those 5 chars. At least add a space before , > but even that isn't a real fix. The notation -<...> should be used only > following a modifier, as in M-. > > 3. Same problem as #2, in (emacs) Mac/GNUstep Events. I think C-h a hexl- TAB is the correct thing here, so I've made that change. > 4. (emacs) Windows Keyboard. > > Is `W' introduced anywhere as a modifier key? What is 'W-'? I'm guessing it's "Windows key and SPC". Since it's just an example, and it'd take too long to explain in this section, I just removed that example. > 5. Throuhout the Emacs manual, sometimes it's C-, sometimes it's > C-. (And I don't mean in code, e.g., as an arg to `kbd'.) Is > this correct? The contexts seem to be the same/similar: "pressing" or > "using" such a key sequence. There are other, similar such seeming > inconsistencies / problems with other modified function keys. 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