From gg@zip.com.au Sat Nov 28 12:56:57 2009 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 28 Nov 2009 20:56:57 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=4.0 tests=AWL,FOURLA,PUSSY autolearn=no version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [199.232.76.165]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id nASKutrG009840 for ; Sat, 28 Nov 2009 12:56:57 -0800 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NEULf-0001vw-8I for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Nov 2009 15:56:55 -0500 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NEULZ-0001t6-Gc for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Nov 2009 15:56:54 -0500 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=36561 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NEULZ-0001t3-BI for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Nov 2009 15:56:49 -0500 Received: from mailout2-5.pacific.net.au ([61.8.2.228]:49147 helo=mailout2.pacific.net.au) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NEULY-0001pd-Uc for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Nov 2009 15:56:49 -0500 Received: from mailproxy1.pacific.net.au (mailproxy1.pacific.net.au [61.8.2.162]) by mailout2.pacific.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8291193271 for ; Sun, 29 Nov 2009 07:56:44 +1100 (EST) Received: from blah.blah (ppp2E3A.dyn.pacific.net.au [61.8.46.58]) by mailproxy1.pacific.net.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 275FA8C08 for ; Sun, 29 Nov 2009 07:56:43 +1100 (EST) Received: from gg by blah.blah with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NEULN-0001AI-DI for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 29 Nov 2009 07:56:37 +1100 From: Kevin Ryde To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 23.1; lispintro manuals for sale url dead anchor Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 07:56:37 +1100 Message-ID: <87d432pdve.fsf@blah.blah> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/23.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) emacs-lisp-intro.texi under "Free Software and Free Manuals" has a link http://www.gnu.org/doc/doc.html#DescriptionsOfGNUDocumentation but that anchor (and section) seems to have gone away. I can't tell what it should be now. The two urefs look like they repeat each other, I'd be inclined to show a single url without linked text. In GNU Emacs 23.1.1 (i486-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.16.5) of 2009-09-14 on raven, modified by Debian configured using `configure '--build=i486-linux-gnu' '--host=i486-linux-gnu' '--prefix=/usr' '--sharedstatedir=/var/lib' '--libexecdir=/usr/lib' '--localstatedir=/var/lib' '--infodir=/usr/share/info' '--mandir=/usr/share/man' '--with-pop=yes' '--enable-locallisppath=/etc/emacs23:/etc/emacs:/usr/local/share/emacs/23.1/site-lisp:/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/23.1/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/23.1/leim' '--with-x=yes' '--with-x-toolkit=gtk' '--with-toolkit-scroll-bars' 'build_alias=i486-linux-gnu' 'host_alias=i486-linux-gnu' 'CFLAGS=-DDEBIAN -g -O2' 'LDFLAGS=-g' 'CPPFLAGS='' Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: nil value of $LC_COLLATE: nil value of $LC_CTYPE: nil value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil value of $LC_MONETARY: nil value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil value of $LC_TIME: nil value of $LANG: en_AU value of $XMODIFIERS: nil locale-coding-system: iso-latin-1-unix default-enable-multibyte-characters: t From rgm@gnu.org Sun Nov 29 22:49:35 2009 Received: (at 5069) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 30 Nov 2009 06:49:35 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.2 required=4.0 tests=AWL,HAS_BUG_NUMBER,PUSSY, X_DEBBUGS_NO_ACK autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id nAU6nXUj005469 for <5069@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sun, 29 Nov 2009 22:49:35 -0800 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1NF04j-0004tK-GX; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 01:49:33 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: Kevin Ryde Cc: 5069@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#5069: 23.1; lispintro manuals for sale url dead anchor References: <87d432pdve.fsf@blah.blah> X-Spook: Arnett SAFE virus airframe AVN LABLINK assassination X-Ran: xy^\#I:YDhA-s*'qJ*(}}8'*pSnj:Mv@,K0>qGHBCKVt,2bE|#;h;e"JKR_Ut'S, X-Hue: white X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 01:49:33 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87d432pdve.fsf@blah.blah> (Kevin Ryde's message of "Sun, 29 Nov 2009 07:56:37 +1100") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Kevin Ryde wrote: > emacs-lisp-intro.texi under "Free Software and Free Manuals" has a link > > http://www.gnu.org/doc/doc.html#DescriptionsOfGNUDocumentation > > but that anchor (and section) seems to have gone away. > > I can't tell what it should be now. The two urefs look like they repeat > each other, I'd be inclined to show a single url without linked text. I think shop.fsf.org is the right URL to use these days for all "you can buy copies of FOO" type messages. It's perhaps worth mentioning that manuals are not always in print. From rgm@gnu.org Mon Nov 30 13:46:47 2009 Received: (at control) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 30 Nov 2009 21:46:47 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.7 required=4.0 tests=AWL,ONEWORD,VALID_BTS_CONTROL autolearn=no version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id nAULkjmj029601 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 13:46:47 -0800 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1NFE4z-0002d6-6T; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:46:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19220.15685.127098.612370@fencepost.gnu.org> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 16:46:45 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: control Subject: control reassign 490 notemacs reassign 2488 notemacs reassign 877 notemacs reassign 3988 emacs reassign 485 notemacs reassign 1683 notemacs reassign 1763 notemacs merge 1763 1683 close 1683 reassign 1036 notemacs reassign 92 emacs,gnus reassign 4540 emacs,ns reassign 4566 emacs,ns severity 4566 minor reassign 485 notemacs severity 5069 minor From rms@gnu.org Mon Nov 30 20:09:48 2009 Received: (at 5069) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 1 Dec 2009 04:09:48 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.1 required=4.0 tests=AWL,HAS_BUG_NUMBER,PUSSY autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id nB149l6s011203 for <5069@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:09:48 -0800 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1NFK3c-00007N-FV; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:09:44 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 From: Richard Stallman To: Glenn Morris , 5069@debbugs.gnu.org CC: user42@zip.com.au, 5069@debbugs.gnu.org In-reply-to: (message from Glenn Morris on Mon, 30 Nov 2009 01:49:33 -0500) Subject: Re: bug#5069: 23.1; lispintro manuals for sale url dead anchor Reply-to: rms@gnu.org References: <87d432pdve.fsf@blah.blah> Message-Id: Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:09:44 -0500 It's perhaps worth mentioning that manuals are not always in print. It is better not to mention that, because people would be likely not to even look at the site. From rgm@gnu.org Mon Nov 30 23:53:02 2009 Received: (at 5069) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 1 Dec 2009 07:53:02 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.2 required=4.0 tests=AWL,HAS_BUG_NUMBER,PUSSY, X_DEBBUGS_NO_ACK autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id nB17r0G4000618 for <5069@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:53:02 -0800 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1NFNXb-0001ea-30; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 02:52:55 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: rms@gnu.org Cc: 5069@debbugs.gnu.org, user42@zip.com.au Subject: Re: bug#5069: 23.1; lispintro manuals for sale url dead anchor References: <87d432pdve.fsf@blah.blah> X-Spook: Ft. Knox Kh-11 ASDIC Lexis-Nexis Bruxelles Baranyi fraud X-Ran: !UqkEtGS1THgR_N?gzD!1DKxgrCWe]zbp User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Richard Stallman wrote: > It's perhaps worth mentioning that manuals are not always in > print. > > It is better not to mention that, because people would be likely not > to even look at the site. That seems pessimistic. The reason behind my suggestion was that out-of-print manuals don't seem to be listed on the site (eg the Elisp manual), and I think it is confusing to be referred to a web-page and then find no mention of the thing you came to find. From rms@gnu.org Tue Dec 1 23:33:00 2009 Received: (at 5069) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 2 Dec 2009 07:33:00 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.1 required=4.0 tests=AWL,HAS_BUG_NUMBER,PUSSY autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id nB27WwDO032471 for <5069@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 23:33:00 -0800 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1NFjhm-00075r-F4; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 02:32:54 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 From: Richard Stallman To: Glenn Morris CC: 5069@debbugs.gnu.org, user42@zip.com.au In-reply-to: <2f3a3vceqx.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (message from Glenn Morris on Tue, 01 Dec 2009 02:52:54 -0500) Subject: Re: bug#5069: 23.1; lispintro manuals for sale url dead anchor Reply-to: rms@gnu.org References: <87d432pdve.fsf@blah.blah> <2f3a3vceqx.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Message-Id: Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 02:32:54 -0500 That seems pessimistic. The reason behind my suggestion was that out-of-print manuals don't seem to be listed on the site (eg the Elisp manual), and I think it is confusing to be referred to a web-page and then find no mention of the thing you came to find. I will ask them to mention something about manuals that are currently out of print. From rgm@gnu.org Wed Dec 2 19:12:05 2009 Received: (at 5069-done) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 3 Dec 2009 03:12:05 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.1 required=4.0 tests=AWL,HAS_BUG_NUMBER,PUSSY, X_DEBBUGS_NO_ACK autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id nB33C49i014287 for <5069-done@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 19:12:05 -0800 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1NG26t-0003Vw-C3; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 22:12:03 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: 5069-done@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#5069: 23.1; lispintro manuals for sale url dead anchor References: <87d432pdve.fsf@blah.blah> <2f3a3vceqx.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-Spook: Peking Ermes LLNL COSCO Operation Iraqi Freedom high X-Ran: :]P:cEY84q\f93>U^OjBmBmFg78ry$9ok(*&2@"#|.8e'KB7[eg\2yb{6t+`EOGu%gGfBk X-Hue: black X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 22:12:03 -0500 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Changed url to shop.fsf.org. 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