GNU bug report logs - #5069
23.1; lispintro manuals for sale url dead anchor

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Message #5 received at submit <at> emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com (full text, mbox):

From: Kevin Ryde <user42 <at> zip.com.au>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 23.1; lispintro manuals for sale url dead anchor
Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 07:56:37 +1100

emacs-lisp-intro.texi under "Free Software and Free Manuals" has a link

    http://www.gnu.org/doc/doc.html#DescriptionsOfGNUDocumentation

but that anchor (and section) seems to have gone away.

I can't tell what it should be now.  The two urefs look like they repeat
each other, I'd be inclined to show a single url without linked text.



In GNU Emacs 23.1.1 (i486-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.16.5)
 of 2009-09-14 on raven, modified by Debian
configured using `configure  '--build=i486-linux-gnu' '--host=i486-linux-gnu' '--prefix=/usr' '--sharedstatedir=/var/lib' '--libexecdir=/usr/lib' '--localstatedir=/var/lib' '--infodir=/usr/share/info' '--mandir=/usr/share/man' '--with-pop=yes' '--enable-locallisppath=/etc/emacs23:/etc/emacs:/usr/local/share/emacs/23.1/site-lisp:/usr/local/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/23.1/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp:/usr/share/emacs/23.1/leim' '--with-x=yes' '--with-x-toolkit=gtk' '--with-toolkit-scroll-bars' 'build_alias=i486-linux-gnu' 'host_alias=i486-linux-gnu' 'CFLAGS=-DDEBIAN -g -O2' 'LDFLAGS=-g' 'CPPFLAGS=''

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Message #8 received at 5069 <at> emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: Kevin Ryde <user42 <at> zip.com.au>
Cc: 5069 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#5069: 23.1; lispintro manuals for sale url dead anchor
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 01:49:33 -0500

Kevin Ryde wrote:

> emacs-lisp-intro.texi under "Free Software and Free Manuals" has a link
>
>     http://www.gnu.org/doc/doc.html#DescriptionsOfGNUDocumentation
>
> but that anchor (and section) seems to have gone away.
>
> I can't tell what it should be now.  The two urefs look like they repeat
> each other, I'd be inclined to show a single url without linked text.

I think shop.fsf.org is the right URL to use these days for all "you
can buy copies of FOO" type messages. It's perhaps worth mentioning
that manuals are not always in print.

Message #15 received at 5069 <at> emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com (full text, mbox):

From: Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org>
To: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>, 5069 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Cc: user42 <at> zip.com.au, 5069 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#5069: 23.1; lispintro manuals for sale url dead anchor
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:09:44 -0500

     It's perhaps worth mentioning
    that manuals are not always in print.

It is better not to mention that, because people would be likely not
to even look at the site.

Message #18 received at 5069 <at> emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: rms <at> gnu.org
Cc: 5069 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, user42 <at> zip.com.au
Subject: Re: bug#5069: 23.1; lispintro manuals for sale url dead anchor
Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 02:52:54 -0500

Richard Stallman wrote:

>      It's perhaps worth mentioning that manuals are not always in
>     print.
>
> It is better not to mention that, because people would be likely not
> to even look at the site.

That seems pessimistic. The reason behind my suggestion was that
out-of-print manuals don't seem to be listed on the site (eg the Elisp
manual), and I think it is confusing to be referred to a web-page and
then find no mention of the thing you came to find.

Message #23 received at 5069 <at> emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com (full text, mbox):

From: Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org>
To: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 5069 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, user42 <at> zip.com.au
Subject: Re: bug#5069: 23.1; lispintro manuals for sale url dead anchor
Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 02:32:54 -0500

    That seems pessimistic. The reason behind my suggestion was that
    out-of-print manuals don't seem to be listed on the site (eg the Elisp
    manual), and I think it is confusing to be referred to a web-page and
    then find no mention of the thing you came to find.

I will ask them to mention something about manuals that are currently
out of print.

Message #28 received at 5069-done <at> emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: 5069-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#5069: 23.1; lispintro manuals for sale url dead anchor
Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 22:12:03 -0500

Changed url to shop.fsf.org.

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