From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Sep 06 21:31:58 2021 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Sep 2021 01:31:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54872 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mNPxu-0005Nv-72 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 06 Sep 2021 21:31:58 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:46186) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mNPxs-0005No-9e for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 06 Sep 2021 21:31:56 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:40102) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mNPxr-00011Y-Ue for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Sep 2021 21:31:56 -0400 Received: from mail-pf1-f179.google.com ([209.85.210.179]:33737) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mNPxo-0007fD-FU for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 06 Sep 2021 21:31:55 -0400 Received: by mail-pf1-f179.google.com with SMTP id q22so2052681pfu.0 for ; Mon, 06 Sep 2021 18:31:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=Y+an2o5XFLg3HWquN1s0QeAelji2oHj5LtI6VEmJrvo=; b=QRPfmyhzFAeEXVjlWKrXs5yfzbwtRoatQyu204MAtiz5o6XvgUM3K+H4+gMqZ3Osjp XbH9vtj1HuVA90GaGQtxumttXptaoig3eqCqJ3OSWoVIl94mVNYrJECOzFpPBh3IVY6G i22lT/bL05QXWWoxb8yLtN74lNVtoE6IJ+wC56rIm+VMwfbwoZURP9rVZJns/QyMDzRi cvPMfjfT/i2KtZBXrcTEwEOnVsp7IH85K6B6cSM5bLMW55tjFqpw7ZS/hwIiUDPNq+Eg +iPdzGINuAHCZmN2KVAQV/vMtLtJH1fS9QPeTWkH4C91wuByzOq+kKPS3+J9Z2t4X2/+ Ti0g== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5302y+S2XrlKMXo/3XFRMkWrZe+5FScHHSS+55IagcFHKuyi9Fqe cZ1bJisc3JGcAMVJrjtEpdqPCM7/j+2Nxka4wo5LiL1Y X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxYLr+pJz63slP+oUgG8xrEeg70ItUHKogIWPPI4sa98TH1tPsJk7wTj0nVm8jPXNIxGSpIvsVsqnj60bxB/HU= X-Received: by 2002:a62:8649:0:b0:40b:9caf:78cc with SMTP id x70-20020a628649000000b0040b9caf78ccmr18411330pfd.79.1630978310830; Mon, 06 Sep 2021 18:31:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Stefan Kangas Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2021 03:31:39 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: [PATCH] Remove very old NEWS from the FAQ To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="000000000000db2a0e05cb5dbad3" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=209.85.210.179; envelope-from=stefankangas@gmail.com; helo=mail-pf1-f179.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -13 X-Spam_score: -1.4 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.8 (-) --000000000000db2a0e05cb5dbad3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Severity: wishlist The section in the Emacs FAQ about NEWS in various Emacs versions going back to version 20 is interesting as a historical exercise, but probably not relevant in an FAQ. I suggest we remove anything older than Emacs 24 at this point. 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debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Sep 07 02:08:53 2021 Received: (at 50447) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Sep 2021 06:08:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55273 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mNUHt-0004Gr-1t for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 07 Sep 2021 02:08:53 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:34560) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mNUHr-0004Ga-Tz for 50447@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 07 Sep 2021 02:08:52 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:38426) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mNUHm-0001IL-OE; Tue, 07 Sep 2021 02:08:46 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:3523 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mNUHm-0005Dm-0W; Tue, 07 Sep 2021 02:08:46 -0400 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2021 09:08:55 +0300 Message-Id: <83y288q5mw.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Tue, 7 Sep 2021 03:31:39 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#50447: [PATCH] Remove very old NEWS from the FAQ References: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50447 Cc: 50447@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2021 03:31:39 +0200 > > The section in the Emacs FAQ about NEWS in various Emacs versions > going back to version 20 is interesting as a historical exercise, but > probably not relevant in an FAQ. > > I suggest we remove anything older than Emacs 24 at this point. See > the attached patch. Rationale? Without that, the only way of finding when some important feature was added is by tediously searching NEWS. I say let's leave those 200 lines alone, they don't cause any trouble to anyone. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Sep 07 02:43:01 2021 Received: (at 50447) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Sep 2021 06:43:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55310 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mNUov-00058S-8p for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 07 Sep 2021 02:43:01 -0400 Received: from mail-pl1-f176.google.com ([209.85.214.176]:46789) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mNUot-00058D-VE for 50447@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 07 Sep 2021 02:43:00 -0400 Received: by mail-pl1-f176.google.com with SMTP id bg1so5183332plb.13 for <50447@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 06 Sep 2021 23:42:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=YGItIk0KgDXzY1kWrWGgmiBKXiW1ZwwtN0uOjukPX4E=; b=bAuyS4UCMPvgWETeDWdFApnZhQi4Pc4JSDKtFpRy1h4KBESneojFTRU8JzTMb4WYNR XXhHo+YkqPQTpGXXGPTVdkHVbHPxJt2EcSHbpSM33ZUFinI7gpBfrQRuymeTfEwC06Xq dltmr92alT7e8SM/8ESbDy0i94F/jgQGWzq/fxyzrWacFH1FO71hspwvHV6ZOkJSOMin OKANajXNzo2xY6n6Mj7NQBlmymRzk4gSxEz5FOoHCyC/aEhzeR98DAVJmUxgl78VFc0L I8E3wCGzlwFGM4cFGIxwNrfmvko4/A/UAjMCDA+WsdIih57uytuRqtlvem3NBM/CfTCr bE3w== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531tnzArCnVqOjrNAamgi0QDxogCnW85rcF08UB/jtAdatsnI8O1 Nfajs96joFG4jg4KKyFFHiRnKfn3c46gEoNudF4sW4ty8mE= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyPCzAvneyYng04HKIz1hxIk6mGe4qH+voLFANmLq77QKLSgQemLQmVoy8zn0+13/ROBhCLJiEf749un1h0k0o= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90b:3812:: with SMTP id mq18mr2893875pjb.143.1630996973983; Mon, 06 Sep 2021 23:42:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <83y288q5mw.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <83y288q5mw.fsf@gnu.org> From: Stefan Kangas Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2021 08:42:42 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#50447: [PATCH] Remove very old NEWS from the FAQ To: Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50447 Cc: 50447@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) Eli Zaretskii writes: > Rationale? > > Without that, the only way of finding when some important > feature was added is by tediously searching NEWS. The intended audience of the FAQ is end-users, not core developers going spelunking. It is not useful information for that audience. Nothing is lost, you can just look at an old version of the FAQ. But if you really need to look at these summaries often, we could perhaps move them to a separate file in admin/notes or something. Are they really that important? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Sep 07 04:10:31 2021 Received: (at 50447) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Sep 2021 08:10:31 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55379 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mNWBb-00017F-0V for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 07 Sep 2021 04:10:31 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:55282) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mNWBZ-000170-9r for 50447@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 07 Sep 2021 04:10:29 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:40642) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mNWBT-0002Ul-US; Tue, 07 Sep 2021 04:10:23 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:3213 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mNWBK-0008Hp-UV; Tue, 07 Sep 2021 04:10:23 -0400 Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2021 11:10:21 +0300 Message-Id: <83mtooq00i.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Tue, 7 Sep 2021 08:42:42 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#50447: [PATCH] Remove very old NEWS from the FAQ References: <83y288q5mw.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50447 Cc: 50447@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2021 08:42:42 +0200 > Cc: 50447@debbugs.gnu.org > > The intended audience of the FAQ is end-users, not core developers > going spelunking. It is not useful information for that audience. Developers are also users. > Nothing is lost, you can just look at an old version of the FAQ. But > if you really need to look at these summaries often, we could perhaps > move them to a separate file in admin/notes or something. Are they > really that important? We never deleted from the FAQ anything, except stuff that is no longer correct, did we? Why start now? Again, what's the rationale? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Sep 07 09:22:34 2021 Received: (at 50447) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Sep 2021 13:22:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55617 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mNb3a-00037P-H6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 07 Sep 2021 09:22:34 -0400 Received: from smtp-2.orcon.net.nz ([60.234.4.43]:34325) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mNb3Z-00037H-Hi for 50447@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 07 Sep 2021 09:22:33 -0400 Received: from [10.253.37.70] (port=58286 helo=webmail.orcon.net.nz) by smtp-2.orcon.net.nz with esmtpa (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mNb3P-00040n-Bu; Wed, 08 Sep 2021 01:22:23 +1200 Received: from ip-116-251-162-85.kinect.net.nz ([116.251.162.85]) via [10.253.37.253] by webmail.orcon.net.nz with HTTP (HTTP/1.1 POST); Wed, 08 Sep 2021 01:22:23 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 08 Sep 2021 01:22:23 +1200 From: Phil Sainty To: Stefan Kangas Subject: Re: bug#50447: [PATCH] Remove very old NEWS from the FAQ In-Reply-To: References: <83y288q5mw.fsf@gnu.org> Message-ID: <57628b19f1962c8847fd744ae20c8368@webmail.orcon.net.nz> X-Sender: psainty@orcon.net.nz User-Agent: Orcon Webmail X-GeoIP: -- X-Spam_score: -2.9 X-Spam_score_int: -28 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50447 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 50447@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) On 2021-09-07 18:42, Stefan Kangas wrote: > The intended audience of the FAQ is end-users, not core developers > going spelunking. It is not useful information for that audience. I think they're (a) interesting, and (b) not causing any problems. Reading the NEWS for a major release takes quite a long time, so I think it's nice that there's also a small "selected highlights" for historical releases. As a user, I think it's interesting to learn when Emacs acquired certain features. Moreover, the node which gets you to them is tiny -- this small list of links surely isn't taking up any undesirable space, and no one who isn't interested in the history is going to be following those links; so to me they seem entirely harmless (for all users), and useful (for some users). 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Content preview: Stefan Kangas writes: > The section in the Emacs FAQ about NEWS in various Emacs versions > going back to version 20 is interesting as a historical exercise, but > probably not relevant in an FAQ. > > I suggest we remove a [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50447 Cc: 50447@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Stefan Kangas writes: > The section in the Emacs FAQ about NEWS in various Emacs versions > going back to version 20 is interesting as a historical exercise, but > probably not relevant in an FAQ. > > I suggest we remove anything older than Emacs 24 at this point. See > the attached patch. I think the old sections are perhaps pretty interesting to users, so I'd rather leave them where they are. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Sep 07 12:22:22 2021 Received: (at 50447) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Sep 2021 16:22:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57480 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mNdrZ-0006To-Tg for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 07 Sep 2021 12:22:22 -0400 Received: from mail-pj1-f49.google.com ([209.85.216.49]:45055) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mNdrY-0006TT-5v for 50447@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 07 Sep 2021 12:22:20 -0400 Received: by mail-pj1-f49.google.com with SMTP id gp20-20020a17090adf1400b00196b761920aso2477392pjb.3 for <50447@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 07 Sep 2021 09:22:20 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=AB3j39xeW9Xh3hJ9wM+t94lyqh4S1QUzZOx3YtX2FfQ=; b=fYT6RqNaxJmzKAWQCXA9fRts0ZymJAiu4w1LJM20X5D5liI0/0vUTCBpx5GCvGjxua 3P7CIsc4SXmYOBf2Jvxmwj7FX2HpcxALy5B8Z6Vt+voahZn7r62RCwMKdY3psVda+KAJ NGS+YYXwiQCQ5C49PB9JP7wCuFxHuqr/37SD52I3f5qcejkZsAMHJBc+L1UiCziDYeV2 gg3En+XgFVHY+khxtGKgQMKBWfCxHWepHAi0oN2R3st4CyyJ6Cqwt72gK31R+cHEUXb7 Neba4GUp5w4kLfGzyncIuE8NvGtYwLmj+mjmwxIY+2uSZqcuemcvzwBHyxKtpDVcjujN D4cQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530NE2Twl0VltA0eckc5DVMA3MYTPlayT/1adidr97ja18xURcvv Lwg13HCZvtbj4+yHR+Xe0Nx/2Ep2XYaw9yW6lfdlG067 X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxHDAkBK07XmUWnddtZ71uU9jkq+CAnaH2hJP3/ghxcNGHR7T95fSXzb1sH7+LEsml8urCDUp/sZTIuT0iLxvc= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:5583:: with SMTP id c3mr5282286pji.133.1631031734529; Tue, 07 Sep 2021 09:22:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87eea0csv5.fsf@gnus.org> In-Reply-To: <87eea0csv5.fsf@gnus.org> From: Stefan Kangas Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2021 18:22:03 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#50447: [PATCH] Remove very old NEWS from the FAQ To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 50447 Cc: 50447@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) tags 50447 notabug close 50447 thanks Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > I think the old sections are perhaps pretty interesting to users, so I'd > rather leave them where they are. OK, the people have spoken. Let's close this. From unknown Sat Aug 16 18:48:06 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2021 11:24:09 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator