From unknown Fri Sep 05 16:44:17 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#5027 <5027@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#5027 <5027@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: Funny keyboard bahaviour, maybe grab? Reply-To: bug#5027 <5027@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2025 23:44:17 +0000 retitle 5027 Funny keyboard bahaviour, maybe grab? reassign 5027 emacs submitter 5027 occitan@esperanto.org severity 5027 normal thanks From occitan@t-online.de Mon Nov 23 15:33:24 2009 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 23 Nov 2009 23:33:24 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=4.0 tests=AWL,FOURLA,MULTALT autolearn=no version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id nANNXMdw002323 for ; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 15:33:23 -0800 Received: from mx10.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:43965) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1NCiPJ-0000gk-Jt for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:33:21 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NCiPH-0005sb-VU for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:33:21 -0500 Received: from mailout06.t-online.de ([194.25.134.19]:40565) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1NCiPH-0005sX-E9 for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 18:33:19 -0500 Received: from fwd03.aul.t-online.de by mailout06.t-online.de with smtp id 1NChS3-0003oI-00; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 23:32:07 +0100 Received: from [192.168.0.10] (XRnVZoZcQhQ+hlhTukD5eOLOFAO59aYbyG5MSM7F5kNxsBmSAq5m21hfxgU4zVtZcT@[91.35.190.191]) by fwd03.aul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1NChS3-0FcDCa0; Mon, 23 Nov 2009 23:32:07 +0100 Message-ID: <4B0B0D66.1040706@t-online.de> Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 23:32:06 +0100 From: Daniel Pfeiffer Reply-To: occitan@esperanto.org User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (X11/20090817) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: General discussion about sawfish wm , emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org Subject: Funny keyboard bahaviour, maybe grab? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------050705070805000109000105" X-ID: XRnVZoZcQhQ+hlhTukD5eOLOFAO59aYbyG5MSM7F5kNxsBmSAq5m21hfxgU4zVtZcT X-TOI-MSGID: 62bad353-1277-468e-9f82-d88afcdb5392 X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050705070805000109000105 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, I recently installed Ubuntu Karmic Koala from scratch, putting in a recent snapshot of both Emacs and Sawfish. Since then, whichever I type, Emacs complains that this Sawfish window-manager keybinding is undefined. The key bindings work when any other application is focused, so I suspect this is an Emacs problem. What I don't understand, is that IMHO the window manager should take these key events and an application like Emacs should never even notice them? AFAIK, the only exception to this rule is if Emacs grabs the keyboard, as it should while prompting for a password. The only way out, seems not to fully maximize emacs, so a thin strip of the pager remains, such that I can mouse-click focus away from Emacs, before typing my key-combo. I have a very keyboard-centric setup, and I spend more than half of my time in Emacs, so this is a major hassle! coralament / best Grötens / liebe Grüße / best regards / elkorajn salutojn Daniel Pfeiffer -- lerne / learn / apprends / lär dig / ucz się Esperanto: http://lernu.net / http://ikurso.net --------------050705070805000109000105 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi,

I recently installed Ubuntu Karmic Koala from scratch, putting in a recent snapshot of both Emacs and Sawfish.
Since then, whichever I type, Emacs complains that this Sawfish window-manager keybinding is undefined.

The key bindings work when any other application is focused, so I suspect this is an Emacs problem.  What I don't understand, is that IMHO the window manager should take these key events and an application like Emacs should never even notice them?  AFAIK, the only exception to this rule is if Emacs grabs the keyboard, as it should while prompting for a password.

The only way out, seems not to fully maximize emacs, so a thin strip of the pager remains, such that I can mouse-click focus away from Emacs, before typing my key-combo.  I have a very keyboard-centric setup, and I spend more than half of my time in Emacs, so this is a major hassle!
 
coralament / best Grötens / liebe Grüße / best regards / elkorajn salutojn
Daniel Pfeiffer

-- 
lerne / learn / apprends / lär dig / ucz się    Esperanto:
                    http://lernu.net  /  http://ikurso.net
--------------050705070805000109000105-- From jan.h.d@swipnet.se Tue Nov 24 06:56:23 2009 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 24 Nov 2009 14:56:24 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. 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References: <4B0B0D66.1040706@t-online.de> In-Reply-To: <4B0B0D66.1040706@t-online.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. Daniel Pfeiffer skrev 2009-11-23 23.32: > Hi, > > I recently installed Ubuntu Karmic Koala from scratch, putting in a > recent snapshot of both Emacs and Sawfish. > Since then, whichever I type, Emacs complains that this Sawfish > window-manager keybinding is undefined. What keybinding exactly is "this"? > > The key bindings work when any other application is focused, so I > suspect this is an Emacs problem. What I don't understand, is that IMHO > the window manager should take these key events and an application like > Emacs should never even notice them? AFAIK, the only exception to this > rule is if Emacs grabs the keyboard, as it should while prompting for a > password. > > The only way out, seems not to fully maximize emacs, so a thin strip of > the pager remains, such that I can mouse-click focus away from Emacs, > before typing my key-combo. I have a very keyboard-centric setup, and I > spend more than half of my time in Emacs, so this is a major hassle! Do you have click-to-focus or focus-follows-mouse? What version of sawfish? Jan D. From jan.h.d@swipnet.se Fri Nov 27 08:40:24 2009 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 27 Nov 2009 16:40:24 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. 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References: <4B0B0D66.1040706@t-online.de> In-Reply-To: <4B0B0D66.1040706@t-online.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. There has been an answer to this in the swafish list: > I experience this after I switch keyboard group with "ISO_Next_Group" > key, and it is not limited to emacs. So I guess it must be Sawfish's > problem. > > I don't know X and I can't say much, but recently Sawfish has a > compilation option which drops support of mouse buttons 6-9. It may > help. (In my case, it doesn't help. The symptom does not seem unique, > but there're some types.) > > I found by searching through the mailing list archive that you > suffered from similar problem last year. Sorry that we haven't made > progress in this area, but we're planning the fix the next year. > > Regards, > Teika (Teika kazura) Jan D. 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