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Thu, 29 Jul 2021 18:18:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: bug#49774: 27.1; if diff commands finds no differences then do not pop up a window To: ndame , 49774@debbugs.gnu.org References: <6-jIgEjC-M3zdDQDysoGtRzEjthWPAJ2umfoWDGcAvubl3DvWEFvWaLPStFKSxTJW-Vy0_PQ8Gsnu9u7hAuK040bA-ooxQwB9wLJNA7sUm0=@protonmail.com> From: Dmitry Gutov Message-ID: <1f065a9b-e5b5-f873-5cc3-0d6fde9c1db3@yandex.ru> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2021 04:18:21 +0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.11.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <6-jIgEjC-M3zdDQDysoGtRzEjthWPAJ2umfoWDGcAvubl3DvWEFvWaLPStFKSxTJW-Vy0_PQ8Gsnu9u7hAuK040bA-ooxQwB9wLJNA7sUm0=@protonmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 49774 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) On 29.07.2021 19:59, ndame via Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors wrote: > When diff exit code is zero and there are no differences then a window > pops up showing output like "Diff finished (no differences)" and the > user has to dismiss this useless window. > > If there are no differences then emacs should just show this in a > message instead of popping up a window with not useful content. That would require it to wait until Diff has finished running before showing the window. Currently 'M-x diff' works asynchronously, which has its benefits. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jul 30 00:19:02 2021 Received: (at 49774) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Jul 2021 04:19:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58715 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1m9JzC-0004Vd-Dv for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Jul 2021 00:19:02 -0400 Received: from mail-40130.protonmail.ch ([185.70.40.130]:12785) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1m9Jz9-0004V6-LB for 49774@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Jul 2021 00:19:00 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2021 04:18:51 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail; t=1627618732; bh=kOw8+41BkrE7V0non22eB6yBbt5WErT5zLj15qJhIgc=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Reply-To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=MXTMCUD7EIsIvUKB29w+pjZQRFwKj+eifO41sar1ezfYXviwQ8QTDxuf/Q3bBQeOL JsdoL7isGq5907C20jtewUPDl5fgclTEiGJUFIFbdw27jRM1UHK6Ry23YWBW3jBcGW 5tAxrbuL6oFX2GDXS/N52GiIUmYM7dVwPK5XINEE= To: Dmitry Gutov From: ndame Subject: Re: bug#49774: 27.1; if diff commands finds no differences then do not pop up a window Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1f065a9b-e5b5-f873-5cc3-0d6fde9c1db3@yandex.ru> References: <6-jIgEjC-M3zdDQDysoGtRzEjthWPAJ2umfoWDGcAvubl3DvWEFvWaLPStFKSxTJW-Vy0_PQ8Gsnu9u7hAuK040bA-ooxQwB9wLJNA7sUm0=@protonmail.com> <1f065a9b-e5b5-f873-5cc3-0d6fde9c1db3@yandex.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, score=4.9 required=10.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,FREEMAIL_FROM,NEW_DOMAIN_24H, URIBL_FRESH_24_SURBL shortcircuit=no autolearn=disabled version=3.4.4 X-Spam-Level: **** X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on mailout.protonmail.ch X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 49774 Cc: 49774@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: ndame Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) > > That would require it to wait until Diff has finished running before > showing the window. Currently 'M-x diff' works asynchronously, which has > its benefits. If exit status is zero then diff should restore the previous window config automatically and show the message. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jul 30 06:03:44 2021 Received: (at 49774) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Jul 2021 10:03:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59037 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1m9PMl-0006ng-QV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Jul 2021 06:03:44 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:40292) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1m9PMk-0006nO-8p for 49774@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Jul 2021 06:03:42 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=Xwb8pouJk7r/rCYqdUU8/LlGmTJe5rqCwkbZP1601zI=; b=IpR/AUUJsOjirRKX0Vu4vt/TwR zRbwW+w/Wmzzbse8TSmaD/wxvbTtc998+A+jOxKe/LCm0E9ai1juDgUYNoO5Rwtn26tohQ3JMPa+8 feTZtQZSCmMwX5x+3a6m2HvZnMYSxjQYI80unSXDtLZSFvICAPNYn6Sb6jTFDkZqWuF8=; Received: from 2.149.45.105.tmi.telenormobil.no ([2.149.45.105] helo=elva) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1m9PMb-000601-Je; Fri, 30 Jul 2021 12:03:36 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: ndame Subject: Re: bug#49774: 27.1; if diff commands finds no differences then do not pop up a window References: <6-jIgEjC-M3zdDQDysoGtRzEjthWPAJ2umfoWDGcAvubl3DvWEFvWaLPStFKSxTJW-Vy0_PQ8Gsnu9u7hAuK040bA-ooxQwB9wLJNA7sUm0=@protonmail.com> <1f065a9b-e5b5-f873-5cc3-0d6fde9c1db3@yandex.ru> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2021 12:03:29 +0200 In-Reply-To: (ndame's message of "Fri, 30 Jul 2021 04:18:51 +0000") Message-ID: <87tukcqfta.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: ndame writes: >> That would require it to wait until Diff has finished running before >> showing the window. Currently 'M-x diff' works asynchronously, which has >> its benefits. > > If exit status is zero then dif [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP 0.0 TVD_RCVD_IP Message was received from an IP address -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 49774 Cc: 49774@debbugs.gnu.org, Dmitry Gutov X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) ndame writes: >> That would require it to wait until Diff has finished running before >> showing the window. Currently 'M-x diff' works asynchronously, which has >> its benefits. > > If exit status is zero then diff should restore the previous window config > automatically and show the message. This is what `M-x man' does (when it turns out that the manual page doesn't exist), and people really dislike that, too (the "flickering" has been reported as a bug multiple times). So I don't think we want to extend that user experience in Emacs. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jul 30 07:19:12 2021 Received: (at 49774) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Jul 2021 11:19:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59095 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1m9QXo-0002RY-EH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Jul 2021 07:19:12 -0400 Received: from mail-4324.protonmail.ch ([185.70.43.24]:61969) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1m9QXm-0002RI-7a for 49774@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Jul 2021 07:19:11 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2021 11:19:02 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail; t=1627643943; bh=vwuV3aAv4v/p1j4yXa1bK8vUurV6atu5vRT57k98E6o=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Reply-To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=pXzrWDX49CL3Ca/6waLdCBDLKEJukhOQuv9NPVPR7XJcKuBdCoIyRils1md9baFCw wbMKsfaYmv2zU3uUPlZaNILc+SmS5RUajL3xOtHjK6A/ZnBRtW4t1AdIRRUSgp9dDt p2eA5O9kTZLTyapC1kjgC+lRdVRAlMUsPYiDLvzk= To: Lars Ingebrigtsen From: ndame Subject: Re: bug#49774: 27.1; if diff commands finds no differences then do not pop up a window Message-ID: <1VdefROysFdKKl20jV3U8WYbp7YC5umgJA41cfsSVcpOAAnOwGJs3dFkMAVi_8zPiesBbTZEYpINWLOfsJaBgOP9Ywa2afV7Tjkkgs8pIJs=@protonmail.com> In-Reply-To: <87tukcqfta.fsf@gnus.org> References: <6-jIgEjC-M3zdDQDysoGtRzEjthWPAJ2umfoWDGcAvubl3DvWEFvWaLPStFKSxTJW-Vy0_PQ8Gsnu9u7hAuK040bA-ooxQwB9wLJNA7sUm0=@protonmail.com> <1f065a9b-e5b5-f873-5cc3-0d6fde9c1db3@yandex.ru> <87tukcqfta.fsf@gnus.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=10.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,FREEMAIL_FROM shortcircuit=no autolearn=disabled version=3.4.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on mailout.protonmail.ch X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 49774 Cc: 49774@debbugs.gnu.org, Dmitry Gutov X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: ndame Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) > > This is what `M-x man' does (when it turns out that the manual page > doesn't exist), and people really dislike that, too (the "flickering" > has been reported as a bug multiple times). > > So I don't think we want to extend that user experience in Emacs. > The other possibility is not popping up the diff window instantly, but waiting for the first output to arrive. If there is no difference then no output is coming and exit status 0 tells us we can print the message. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jul 30 07:24:46 2021 Received: (at 49774) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Jul 2021 11:24:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59106 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1m9QdC-0002Zu-9H for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Jul 2021 07:24:46 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:40984) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1m9QdA-0002Zc-0S for 49774@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Jul 2021 07:24:44 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=8GmovP7qcjkE8Nvh7wzBa2Xtj5BDSzum6UoXcd9oWWA=; b=HUg45KxAEVn4yMIsEKb7qw49aZ qrFbeWy6pVWCmxLkcnQGODON5pfprXay7/JJfaR3mUVMP8DNfLPxw7lHwEMBzUMZhmysqB9ND+git /qG6lmxUXd0+4JzplmeISIqoR4JT3mDzKWErF7DYYnhyGMzklb0I23mfREnxDunmWwIA=; Received: from 2.149.45.105.tmi.telenormobil.no ([2.149.45.105] helo=elva) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1m9Qd0-0006qs-MK; Fri, 30 Jul 2021 13:24:37 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: ndame Subject: Re: bug#49774: 27.1; if diff commands finds no differences then do not pop up a window References: <6-jIgEjC-M3zdDQDysoGtRzEjthWPAJ2umfoWDGcAvubl3DvWEFvWaLPStFKSxTJW-Vy0_PQ8Gsnu9u7hAuK040bA-ooxQwB9wLJNA7sUm0=@protonmail.com> <1f065a9b-e5b5-f873-5cc3-0d6fde9c1db3@yandex.ru> <87tukcqfta.fsf@gnus.org> <1VdefROysFdKKl20jV3U8WYbp7YC5umgJA41cfsSVcpOAAnOwGJs3dFkMAVi_8zPiesBbTZEYpINWLOfsJaBgOP9Ywa2afV7Tjkkgs8pIJs=@protonmail.com> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2021 13:24:29 +0200 In-Reply-To: <1VdefROysFdKKl20jV3U8WYbp7YC5umgJA41cfsSVcpOAAnOwGJs3dFkMAVi_8zPiesBbTZEYpINWLOfsJaBgOP9Ywa2afV7Tjkkgs8pIJs=@protonmail.com> (ndame's message of "Fri, 30 Jul 2021 11:19:02 +0000") Message-ID: <875ywsqc2a.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: ndame writes: > The other possibility is not popping up the diff window instantly, but > waiting for the first output to arrive. That's also been discussed extensively during the M-x man wars, and it's a horrible UX -- having windows popping up asynchronously at some later point is disruptive and confusing, so we don't do that. Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP 0.0 TVD_RCVD_IP Message was received from an IP address -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 49774 Cc: 49774@debbugs.gnu.org, Dmitry Gutov X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) ndame writes: > The other possibility is not popping up the diff window instantly, but > waiting for the first output to arrive. That's also been discussed extensively during the M-x man wars, and it's a horrible UX -- having windows popping up asynchronously at some later point is disruptive and confusing, so we don't do that. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jul 30 07:47:23 2021 Received: (at 49774) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Jul 2021 11:47:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59166 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1m9Qz5-0007C3-3r for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Jul 2021 07:47:23 -0400 Received: from mail-4319.protonmail.ch ([185.70.43.19]:58149) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1m9Qz3-00076c-3L for 49774@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Jul 2021 07:47:22 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2021 11:47:13 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail; t=1627645634; bh=ER4moiEB15TXoawY1RJBk2JJa4yWum6AHA7G5nymejo=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Reply-To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=QiwU59601DLjuguR89XBRMbCGr9T8AaD1Ew9btUNjoM0sIdXReeJjlZo2RBjyaSHP XsxWAwwLKrMNYwlIZHKaI8DbXIpjSabUxpA2aXkw4uFJof1k8zuwWLmDX4urb5xTt2 m4RFflUl0KHvQtf+9nfebdvjyvSH+mA5l3KWahyI= To: Lars Ingebrigtsen From: ndame Subject: Re: bug#49774: 27.1; if diff commands finds no differences then do not pop up a window Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <875ywsqc2a.fsf@gnus.org> References: <6-jIgEjC-M3zdDQDysoGtRzEjthWPAJ2umfoWDGcAvubl3DvWEFvWaLPStFKSxTJW-Vy0_PQ8Gsnu9u7hAuK040bA-ooxQwB9wLJNA7sUm0=@protonmail.com> <1f065a9b-e5b5-f873-5cc3-0d6fde9c1db3@yandex.ru> <87tukcqfta.fsf@gnus.org> <1VdefROysFdKKl20jV3U8WYbp7YC5umgJA41cfsSVcpOAAnOwGJs3dFkMAVi_8zPiesBbTZEYpINWLOfsJaBgOP9Ywa2afV7Tjkkgs8pIJs=@protonmail.com> <875ywsqc2a.fsf@gnus.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=10.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,FREEMAIL_FROM shortcircuit=no autolearn=disabled version=3.4.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on mailout.protonmail.ch X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 49774 Cc: 49774@debbugs.gnu.org, Dmitry Gutov X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: ndame Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) > > That's also been discussed extensively during the M-x man wars, and it's > a horrible UX -- having windows popping up asynchronously at some later > point is disruptive and confusing, so we don't do that. > Diff output arrives pretty much instantly, the user does not even lift his fingers from executing the diff key binding when the beginning of the outpu= t is already there. And the user expects something to happen when invoking diff, either seeing = the diff or getting the message there is no diff, so waiting for a fraction of = a second before popping up a window is not a real problem, because the user is waiti= ng for the result anyway. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jul 30 07:48:55 2021 Received: (at 49774) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Jul 2021 11:48:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59174 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1m9R0Y-0007Vd-Tq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Jul 2021 07:48:55 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:41274) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1m9R0W-0007VR-Vj for 49774@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Jul 2021 07:48:53 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=8sI3phYB/y1QYFDSfxEWoXN2kSQ2hcqFoNvgZgzfvCE=; b=JyFi41hQifJqEymWt57REhWQJV nZ5We4jsumZsqM7G1V8UKaBC3nv0CzTfPNxCaOMujWrAChZodQoRsMznbrimCpjnIupulG9BuBRom LzEEF8hHL7wkThpt9y8AfQr769ZIh2t7M8fU/AjR3i2G4eOlQF720NIc3ae749kJZO0g=; Received: from 2.149.45.105.tmi.telenormobil.no ([2.149.45.105] helo=elva) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1m9R0O-00073T-EY; Fri, 30 Jul 2021 13:48:46 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: ndame Subject: Re: bug#49774: 27.1; if diff commands finds no differences then do not pop up a window References: <6-jIgEjC-M3zdDQDysoGtRzEjthWPAJ2umfoWDGcAvubl3DvWEFvWaLPStFKSxTJW-Vy0_PQ8Gsnu9u7hAuK040bA-ooxQwB9wLJNA7sUm0=@protonmail.com> <1f065a9b-e5b5-f873-5cc3-0d6fde9c1db3@yandex.ru> <87tukcqfta.fsf@gnus.org> <1VdefROysFdKKl20jV3U8WYbp7YC5umgJA41cfsSVcpOAAnOwGJs3dFkMAVi_8zPiesBbTZEYpINWLOfsJaBgOP9Ywa2afV7Tjkkgs8pIJs=@protonmail.com> <875ywsqc2a.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2021 13:48:42 +0200 In-Reply-To: (ndame's message of "Fri, 30 Jul 2021 11:47:13 +0000") Message-ID: <875ywsowdh.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: ndame writes: > Diff output arrives pretty much instantly Depends on many things -- the files may be on remote systems, for instance. Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP 0.0 TVD_RCVD_IP Message was received from an IP address -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 49774 Cc: 49774@debbugs.gnu.org, Dmitry Gutov X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) ndame writes: > Diff output arrives pretty much instantly Depends on many things -- the files may be on remote systems, for instance. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jul 30 07:58:19 2021 Received: (at 49774) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Jul 2021 11:58:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59206 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1m9R9e-0007kd-R4 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Jul 2021 07:58:19 -0400 Received: from mail-4319.protonmail.ch ([185.70.43.19]:20771) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1m9R9c-0007kP-NC for 49774@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Jul 2021 07:58:17 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2021 11:58:08 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail; t=1627646289; bh=YcJpj1XArmJ/axkAMIi5ZhGe0DXNyqQExwKEoEFiIY4=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Reply-To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=DRi0jv0t0yFuCqWcRZgfDLN8SvXQjgNzEtkEc/L0wPzP9z+sPSA/zRIhlzaFbES3i xbEnvO6EyXFKV1GKCCTLJFl7NmGmQmccaE/0elue0NMg6SJuL8P9m9e+kYqXPBvnj2 u5tP9puycOzMduPb+x9a9cfujd1v3wjRy1O5PH7k= To: Lars Ingebrigtsen From: ndame Subject: Re: bug#49774: 27.1; if diff commands finds no differences then do not pop up a window Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <875ywsowdh.fsf@gnus.org> References: <6-jIgEjC-M3zdDQDysoGtRzEjthWPAJ2umfoWDGcAvubl3DvWEFvWaLPStFKSxTJW-Vy0_PQ8Gsnu9u7hAuK040bA-ooxQwB9wLJNA7sUm0=@protonmail.com> <1f065a9b-e5b5-f873-5cc3-0d6fde9c1db3@yandex.ru> <87tukcqfta.fsf@gnus.org> <1VdefROysFdKKl20jV3U8WYbp7YC5umgJA41cfsSVcpOAAnOwGJs3dFkMAVi_8zPiesBbTZEYpINWLOfsJaBgOP9Ywa2afV7Tjkkgs8pIJs=@protonmail.com> <875ywsqc2a.fsf@gnus.org> <875ywsowdh.fsf@gnus.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=10.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,FREEMAIL_FROM shortcircuit=no autolearn=disabled version=3.4.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on mailout.protonmail.ch X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 49774 Cc: 49774@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: ndame Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) > > > Diff output arrives pretty much instantly > > Depends on many things -- the files may be on remote systems, for > instance. Okay, then how about adding a configurable delay before popping up the diff= window? E.g. if no results arrive within, say, 1 second then a timer pops up the window, so the user knows the diff is in progress, but slow. This takes care of the slow remote system problem and the timer would pract= ically never fire on a local machine where the filesystem response is quick. 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I was going to suggest a user option that switches to the synchronous mode of operation, but the above sounds probably even better. As long as there is someone willing to implement this. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jul 30 09:19:39 2021 Received: (at 49774) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Jul 2021 13:19:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59415 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1m9SQN-0001gI-2o for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Jul 2021 09:19:39 -0400 Received: from mail-4324.protonmail.ch ([185.70.43.24]:36785) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1m9SQL-0001g5-0r for 49774@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Jul 2021 09:19:38 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2021 13:19:29 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=protonmail.com; s=protonmail; t=1627651170; bh=hvkkN6ozo/bCdlON1zYdFmnHiJW/OFL6OCOB5RXWZ/g=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Reply-To:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=kc/ZXikyb+peet4B2Owy+3FWAm1yQWlWtcmOANrF4mR3BqSrb9VL5y99/QrnnnrpX Qq7lH4TPB5X1tRDqthiyd7sTWJSWR4otZ49efRJ77BfYNhwZiaMKD4C8XrRi3ySrHx wd++4kYRgBhiMfwMXLv289vSc/lNNNIlZL67rof0= To: Dmitry Gutov From: ndame Subject: Re: bug#49774: 27.1; if diff commands finds no differences then do not pop up a window Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <6-jIgEjC-M3zdDQDysoGtRzEjthWPAJ2umfoWDGcAvubl3DvWEFvWaLPStFKSxTJW-Vy0_PQ8Gsnu9u7hAuK040bA-ooxQwB9wLJNA7sUm0=@protonmail.com> <1f065a9b-e5b5-f873-5cc3-0d6fde9c1db3@yandex.ru> <87tukcqfta.fsf@gnus.org> <1VdefROysFdKKl20jV3U8WYbp7YC5umgJA41cfsSVcpOAAnOwGJs3dFkMAVi_8zPiesBbTZEYpINWLOfsJaBgOP9Ywa2afV7Tjkkgs8pIJs=@protonmail.com> <875ywsqc2a.fsf@gnus.org> <875ywsowdh.fsf@gnus.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.2 required=10.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,DKIM_SIGNED, DKIM_VALID,DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,FREEMAIL_FROM shortcircuit=no autolearn=disabled version=3.4.4 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.4 (2020-01-24) on mailout.protonmail.ch X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 49774 Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 49774@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: ndame Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) > > I was going to suggest a user option that switches to the synchronous > mode of operation, but the above sounds probably even better. Or there can be an option like diff-show-window-only-if-difference-exists which can be nil for the current behavior and t if the user wants to see no window if there is no difference, just a message. This may be the simplest solution, because then the user can simply set it according his working conditions. If he works with remote files he sets it to nil, if he works with files on his local machine then it can be set to t. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Dmitry Gutov writes: > I was going to suggest a user option that switches to the synchronous > mode of operation, but the above sounds probably even better. A general thing for popping up asynchronous buffers that users can control? Yeah, that could be nice. We could have a user option that says whether to pop up immediately, later but only on success, al [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP 0.0 TVD_RCVD_IP Message was received from an IP address -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 49774 Cc: ndame , 49774@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Dmitry Gutov writes: > I was going to suggest a user option that switches to the synchronous > mode of operation, but the above sounds probably even better. A general thing for popping up asynchronous buffers that users can control? Yeah, that could be nice. We could have a user option that says whether to pop up immediately, later but only on success, always, run the command synchronously... -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jul 31 18:10:11 2021 Received: (at 49774) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 Jul 2021 22:10:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35039 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1m9xBL-0000e4-Ot for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 31 Jul 2021 18:10:11 -0400 Received: from relay7-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.200]:42455) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1m9xBK-0000dl-5D for 49774@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 31 Jul 2021 18:10:10 -0400 Received: (Authenticated sender: juri@linkov.net) by relay7-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0A3EE20004; Sat, 31 Jul 2021 22:10:01 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#49774: 27.1; if diff commands finds no differences then do not pop up a window Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <6-jIgEjC-M3zdDQDysoGtRzEjthWPAJ2umfoWDGcAvubl3DvWEFvWaLPStFKSxTJW-Vy0_PQ8Gsnu9u7hAuK040bA-ooxQwB9wLJNA7sUm0=@protonmail.com> <1f065a9b-e5b5-f873-5cc3-0d6fde9c1db3@yandex.ru> <87tukcqfta.fsf@gnus.org> <1VdefROysFdKKl20jV3U8WYbp7YC5umgJA41cfsSVcpOAAnOwGJs3dFkMAVi_8zPiesBbTZEYpINWLOfsJaBgOP9Ywa2afV7Tjkkgs8pIJs=@protonmail.com> <875ywsqc2a.fsf@gnus.org> <875ywsowdh.fsf@gnus.org> <87sfzvk59c.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2021 00:06:52 +0300 In-Reply-To: <87sfzvk59c.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Fri, 30 Jul 2021 20:47:59 +0200") Message-ID: <87r1fejgvn.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 49774 Cc: ndame , 49774@debbugs.gnu.org, Dmitry Gutov X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) >> I was going to suggest a user option that switches to the synchronous >> mode of operation, but the above sounds probably even better. > > A general thing for popping up asynchronous buffers that users can > control? Yeah, that could be nice. We could have a user option that > says whether to pop up immediately, later but only on success, always, > run the command synchronously... Like async-shell-command-display-buffer. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jul 31 18:11:39 2021 Received: (at 49774) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 Jul 2021 22:11:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35050 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1m9xCl-0000gw-Md for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 31 Jul 2021 18:11:39 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:57904) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1m9xCj-0000gf-Q1 for 49774@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 31 Jul 2021 18:11:38 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=Bm3W1Gw+/2t4rutZr9TEDj+RcAjGU0B0dgNTFbDk6i4=; b=Gkn8xqDoz8707ZcTuBOiC+LVDd 082LzkvgWy5m2YQDbBHPaKcsoH8YIDHcBwJRLYcvsGmXOeDI7viJRnEk5kt3joEDCyWsrP0tL8ROb YdT36+ZS/Z19d/qq1ViErdIvimVAf3tL9r5trQcRHpYtamZg7LNIo0Bc4qR8baPuPymw=; Received: from 2.149.45.105.tmi.telenormobil.no ([2.149.45.105] helo=elva) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1m9xCa-0000i1-EM; Sun, 01 Aug 2021 00:11:31 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Juri Linkov Subject: Re: bug#49774: 27.1; if diff commands finds no differences then do not pop up a window References: <6-jIgEjC-M3zdDQDysoGtRzEjthWPAJ2umfoWDGcAvubl3DvWEFvWaLPStFKSxTJW-Vy0_PQ8Gsnu9u7hAuK040bA-ooxQwB9wLJNA7sUm0=@protonmail.com> <1f065a9b-e5b5-f873-5cc3-0d6fde9c1db3@yandex.ru> <87tukcqfta.fsf@gnus.org> <1VdefROysFdKKl20jV3U8WYbp7YC5umgJA41cfsSVcpOAAnOwGJs3dFkMAVi_8zPiesBbTZEYpINWLOfsJaBgOP9Ywa2afV7Tjkkgs8pIJs=@protonmail.com> <875ywsqc2a.fsf@gnus.org> <875ywsowdh.fsf@gnus.org> <87sfzvk59c.fsf@gnus.org> <87r1fejgvn.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2021 00:11:26 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87r1fejgvn.fsf@mail.linkov.net> (Juri Linkov's message of "Sun, 01 Aug 2021 00:06:52 +0300") Message-ID: <874kca9lrl.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Juri Linkov writes: >> A general thing for popping up asynchronous buffers that users can >> control? Yeah, that could be nice. We could have a user option that >> says whether to pop up immediately, later but only on su [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP 0.0 TVD_RCVD_IP Message was received from an IP address -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 49774 Cc: ndame , 49774@debbugs.gnu.org, Dmitry Gutov X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Juri Linkov writes: >> A general thing for popping up asynchronous buffers that users can >> control? Yeah, that could be nice. We could have a user option that >> says whether to pop up immediately, later but only on success, always, >> run the command synchronously... > > Like async-shell-command-display-buffer. Right. Only... more. :-) (And more general.) -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Aug 01 21:07:21 2021 Received: (at 49774) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Aug 2021 01:07:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37214 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mAMQK-0005Sj-Qy for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 01 Aug 2021 21:07:21 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:46596) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mAMQG-0005SU-Tt for 49774@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 01 Aug 2021 21:07:18 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:59146) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mAMQB-0000ka-6U; Sun, 01 Aug 2021 21:07:11 -0400 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mAMQB-0003o5-0C; Sun, 01 Aug 2021 21:07:11 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Lars Ingebrigtsen In-Reply-To: <87sfzvk59c.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Fri, 30 Jul 2021 20:47:59 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#49774: 27.1; if diff commands finds no differences then do not pop up a window References: <6-jIgEjC-M3zdDQDysoGtRzEjthWPAJ2umfoWDGcAvubl3DvWEFvWaLPStFKSxTJW-Vy0_PQ8Gsnu9u7hAuK040bA-ooxQwB9wLJNA7sUm0=@protonmail.com> <1f065a9b-e5b5-f873-5cc3-0d6fde9c1db3@yandex.ru> <87tukcqfta.fsf@gnus.org> <1VdefROysFdKKl20jV3U8WYbp7YC5umgJA41cfsSVcpOAAnOwGJs3dFkMAVi_8zPiesBbTZEYpINWLOfsJaBgOP9Ywa2afV7Tjkkgs8pIJs=@protonmail.com> <875ywsqc2a.fsf@gnus.org> <875ywsowdh.fsf@gnus.org> <87sfzvk59c.fsf@gnus.org> Message-Id: Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2021 21:07:11 -0400 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 49774 Cc: laszlomail@protonmail.com, 49774@debbugs.gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > A general thing for popping up asynchronous buffers that users can > control? Yeah, that could be nice. We could have a user option that > says whether to pop up immediately, later but only on success, always, > run the command synchronously... New options like this provide an unending opportunity for increased featurism, and can make some operations more convenient for some users. But they won't extend the actual jobs that Emacs can handle. Those changes are the substantial improvements, so I ask people to focus their efforts on changes of that kind. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Aug 16 14:29:33 2021 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Aug 2021 18:29:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50967 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mFhMa-0003GC-Mr for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 16 Aug 2021 14:29:32 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:46502) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mFhMX-0003G3-Tq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 16 Aug 2021 14:29:30 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:37748) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mFhMX-0002BR-Mj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; 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Content preview: Richard Stallman writes: > New options like this provide an unending opportunity for increased > featurism, and can make some operations more convenient for some users. > But they won't extend the actual jobs that Emacs can h [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 49774 Cc: laszlomail@protonmail.com, 49774@debbugs.gnu.org, dgutov@yandex.ru X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Richard Stallman writes: > New options like this provide an unending opportunity for increased > featurism, and can make some operations more convenient for some users. > But they won't extend the actual jobs that Emacs can handle. I agree. This is working as we intend this to work, and people that prefer Emacs to do something else here can do that with an advice. So I'm closing this bug report. 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