From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jul 18 20:08:32 2021 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Jul 2021 00:08:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57663 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1m5Gpk-0004uk-36 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Jul 2021 20:08:32 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:52536) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1m5Gph-0004uV-Vl for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Jul 2021 20:08:30 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:51792) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m5Gph-00079M-Q9 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Jul 2021 20:08:29 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:54544) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m5Gph-00078p-JT for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Jul 2021 20:08:29 -0400 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m5Gph-0006DF-GV; Sun, 18 Jul 2021 20:08:29 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 28.0.50; C-h o buffer layout Message-Id: Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2021 20:08:29 -0400 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) I did C-h o dired-hide-details-mode to see what it would look like. It gave me a white bar across the screen which looked like a mode line except that it did not contain any text. Eventually I figured out this line was part of the buffer and was white because of its faces, but I think that is a confusing thing to do. In GNU Emacs 28.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 2.24.32, cairo version 1.15.10) of 2021-05-12 built on freetop Repository revision: 47070ed39eda524d334e5f82dc7f4a50b8d3252c Repository branch: master System Description: Trisquel GNU/Linux Etiona (9.0) Configured using: 'configure --with-gnutls=ifavailable 'CFLAGS=-g -O0'' Configured features: CAIRO DBUS FREETYPE GIF GLIB GPM GSETTINGS HARFBUZZ JPEG LIBOTF LIBXML2 M17N_FLT MODULES NOTIFY INOTIFY PDUMPER PNG RSVG SECCOMP SOUND THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS X11 XDBE XIM XPM GTK2 ZLIB Important settings: value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8 locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: RMAIL Minor modes in effect: shell-dirtrack-mode: t gpm-mouse-mode: t tooltip-mode: t global-eldoc-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t buffer-read-only: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t abbrev-mode: t Load-path shadows: None found. Features: (mail-extr pp shadow emacsbug cl-print dired-x rect unrmail time-stamp smerge-mode diff vc vc-dispatcher texinfo texinfo-loaddefs eieio-opt speedbar ezimage dframe find-func shortdoc help-fns radix-tree novice two-column kmacro etags fileloop generator xref project ispell compare-w diff-mode easy-mmode cl-extra parse-time iso8601 vc-cvs mhtml-mode css-mode smie eww xdg url-queue mm-url gnus nnheader wid-edit color js imenu cc-mode cc-fonts cc-guess cc-menus cc-cmds cc-styles cc-align cc-engine cc-vars cc-defs sgml-mode facemenu mule-util format-spec battery dbus misearch multi-isearch epa-mail dabbrev rmailkwd rmailout quail help-mode jka-compr shell pcomplete thingatpt files-x grep compile comint ansi-color ring rmailsum mailalias shr kinsoku svg xml dom sendmail qp rmailmm message rmc puny rfc822 mml mml-sec epa epg epg-config gnus-util text-property-search time-date mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheader mail-parse rfc2231 rmail rmail-loaddefs rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums mm-util mail-prsvr mail-utils dired-aux dired dired-loaddefs t-mouse term/linux view derived paren cus-load advice finder-inf package browse-url url url-proxy url-privacy url-expand url-methods url-history url-cookie url-domsuf url-util mailcap url-handlers url-parse auth-source cl-seq eieio eieio-core cl-macs eieio-loaddefs password-cache json subr-x map url-vars seq byte-opt gv bytecomp byte-compile cconv cl-loaddefs cl-lib iso-transl tooltip eldoc electric uniquify ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel term/x-win x-win term/common-win x-dnd tool-bar dnd fontset image regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list replace newcomment text-mode elisp-mode lisp-mode prog-mode register page tab-bar menu-bar rfn-eshadow isearch easymenu timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax font-core term/tty-colors frame minibuffer cl-generic cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese eucjp-ms cp51932 hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese composite charscript charprop case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev obarray cl-preloaded nadvice button loaddefs faces cus-face macroexp files window text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote threads dbusbind inotify dynamic-setting system-font-setting font-render-setting cairo move-toolbar gtk x-toolkit x multi-tty make-network-process emacs) Memory information: ((conses 16 643437 125561) (symbols 48 18697 9) (strings 32 82874 17907) (string-bytes 1 4353870) (vectors 16 48001) (vector-slots 8 1325584 155597) (floats 8 241 358) (intervals 56 91575 4942) (buffers 992 98)) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jul 19 07:58:07 2021 Received: (at 49630) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Jul 2021 11:58:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58188 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1m5RuR-0000zm-JT for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 07:58:07 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:33626) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1m5RuO-0000zC-99 for 49630@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 07:58:05 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:37512) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m5RuI-0000o2-Vz for 49630@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 07:57:59 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:3592 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1m5RuB-0002qJ-2O; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 07:57:51 -0400 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 14:57:44 +0300 Message-Id: <83a6mi7byf.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: (message from Richard Stallman on Sun, 18 Jul 2021 20:08:29 -0400) Subject: Re: bug#49630: 28.0.50; C-h o buffer layout References: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 49630 Cc: 49630@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Richard Stallman > Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2021 20:08:29 -0400 > > I did C-h o dired-hide-details-mode to see what it would look like. > It gave me a white bar across the screen which looked like a mode line > except that it did not contain any text. Eventually I figured out > this line was part of the buffer and was white because of its faces, > but I think that is a confusing thing to do. It's supposed to be a separator line, and displays as a thin line with inverted colors on GUI frames. But TTY frames cannot display such thin lines. Perhaps we should replace it with a line of dashes on TTY frames, for better UX. Patches welcome. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jul 19 09:48:50 2021 Received: (at 49630) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Jul 2021 13:48:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58359 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1m5Tda-0005va-Er for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 09:48:50 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:45018) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1m5TdT-0005v5-W2 for 49630@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 09:48:47 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=kBfgjDpDXyOnLIUiueqEC47LAdekgAXifaR2YwYRyZ0=; b=lzFa+uCE01XktUu9kh9/sBe6N7 aGmf5ZeGHFJ40pCZ4lvZyv5tya9QYwIw9IrW1tzaAeZpw5a6UI5ZQJP/VlRsZyD7rc7Zl0VWzIfWQ GOn9IKMoUc0R4meBFUhV5sfvv8Zd/IhjukHD5/kO0jcNUZW7HlaxSdlCHlIZ2POUjqRQ=; Received: from cm-84.212.220.105.getinternet.no ([84.212.220.105] helo=elva) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1m5TdK-0007KQ-KS; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 15:48:37 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#49630: 28.0.50; C-h o buffer layout References: <83a6mi7byf.fsf@gnu.org> X-Now-Playing: Arthur Russell's _Iowa Dreams_: "Now It's Even Worse Than Before" Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 15:48:34 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83a6mi7byf.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 19 Jul 2021 14:57:44 +0300") Message-ID: <87a6mipg7h.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii writes: > It's supposed to be a separator line, and displays as a thin line with > inverted colors on GUI frames. But TTY frames cannot display such > thin lines. Perhaps we should replace it with a line of d [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 49630 Cc: rms@gnu.org, 49630@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii writes: > It's supposed to be a separator line, and displays as a thin line with > inverted colors on GUI frames. But TTY frames cannot display such > thin lines. Perhaps we should replace it with a line of dashes on TTY > frames, for better UX. Patches welcome. Now added to Emacs 28. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jul 19 09:48:48 2021 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Jul 2021 13:48:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58357 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1m5TdY-0005vQ-9u for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 09:48:48 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:45032) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1m5TdX-0005v9-4t for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 09:48:47 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Subject:From:To:Message-Id:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=fo0BNi1LYfO+Z7wXkhMCgaejyVPdrGAiOHjd+mWOnH0=; b=EHdk/hrg9GhfPMi7Cy7JdSZAlj V2ourUc6Uz/9MtQ0ajTOKoM46+EqOS7MfJYQJO2UwXKm28cyJo7S2bjkZek0rs4t/jIHfA39yMYfH 01odt/pGjvaL42d+C5YsM0B+PXK840UzwNjROS3kEkbSRCqeJcjba6/3hHZwMBQ2JqQg=; Received: from cm-84.212.220.105.getinternet.no ([84.212.220.105] helo=elva) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1m5TdP-0007KX-Gy for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 15:48:41 +0200 Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 15:48:39 +0200 Message-Id: <878s22pg7c.fsf@gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #49630 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: close 49630 28.1 quit Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) close 49630 28.1 quit From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jul 19 11:44:04 2021 Received: (at 49630) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Jul 2021 15:44:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59958 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1m5VR6-0005ZY-Ej for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 11:44:04 -0400 Received: from relay1-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.193]:29309) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1m5VR4-0005Y6-Sp for 49630@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 11:44:03 -0400 Received: (Authenticated sender: juri@linkov.net) by relay1-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id CDE4A24000B; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 15:43:55 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#49630: 28.0.50; C-h o buffer layout Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <83a6mi7byf.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 18:30:30 +0300 In-Reply-To: <83a6mi7byf.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 19 Jul 2021 14:57:44 +0300") Message-ID: <87y2a2mke1.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 49630 Cc: rms@gnu.org, 49630@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) >> I did C-h o dired-hide-details-mode to see what it would look like. >> It gave me a white bar across the screen which looked like a mode line >> except that it did not contain any text. Eventually I figured out >> this line was part of the buffer and was white because of its faces, >> but I think that is a confusing thing to do. > > It's supposed to be a separator line, and displays as a thin line with > inverted colors on GUI frames. But TTY frames cannot display such > thin lines. Perhaps we should replace it with a line of dashes on TTY > frames, for better UX. Patches welcome. Maybe use ^L as a separator, then display it as a line of dashes: (aset (or buffer-display-table (setq buffer-display-table (make-display-table))) ?\^L (vconcat (make-vector 64 ?-))) From unknown Tue Jun 17 22:19:19 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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