From rms@gnu.org Wed Nov 18 12:47:50 2009 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 18 Nov 2009 20:47:50 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.7 required=4.0 tests=AWL autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id nAIKlncv025639 for ; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:47:50 -0800 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1NArRM-0002Zi-Gw; Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:47:48 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 From: Richard Stallman To: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org Subject: 23.1.50; idlwave activated spuriously Reply-to: rms@gnu.org Message-Id: Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:47:48 -0500 Please write in English if possible, because the Emacs maintainers usually do not have translators to read other languages for them. Your bug report will be posted to the emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org mailing list. Please describe exactly what actions triggered the bug and the precise symptoms of the bug. If you can, give a recipe starting from `emacs -Q': I just did an update, my first since August, and byte-recompile-file gave this output at the end: Loading system routine info in idle time... Failed to convert XML routine info, falling back on idlw-rinfo. Could not locate any system routine information. Loading system routine info in idle time...done Normalizing idlwave-system-routines in idle time...done Loading and normalizing library catalogs in idle time...done Finishing initialization in idle time... Scanning all buffers... I suspect that some idlwave file does nontrivial actions when it is merely loaded. From rgm@gnu.org Thu Nov 19 14:11:46 2009 Received: (at control) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 19 Nov 2009 22:11:47 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=4.0 tests=AWL,ONEWORD autolearn=no version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id nAJMBjuT020247 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 2009 14:11:46 -0800 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1NBFE8-00045Z-MU; Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:11:44 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19205.49824.635702.822782@fencepost.gnu.org> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:11:44 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: control Subject: control close 4924 tags 4931 moreinfo unreproducible close 4946 tags 4948 moreinfo severity 4953 wishlist severity 4957 minor severity 4976 wishlist reassign 4976 emacs,erc reassign 4965 spam reassign 4969 spam severity 4973 wishlist From rgm@gnu.org Tue Nov 24 16:37:55 2009 Received: (at 4957) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 25 Nov 2009 00:37:55 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.2 required=4.0 tests=AWL,HAS_BUG_NUMBER, X_DEBBUGS_NO_ACK autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id nAP0bsGC014018 for <4957@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 16:37:55 -0800 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1ND5tJ-0006mm-BY; Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:37:53 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: rms@gnu.org Cc: 4957@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#4957: 23.1.50; idlwave activated spuriously References: X-Spook: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Mafia undercover Bellcore S Key X-Ran: m~v1o%CCzwsR`7&Ag,Ars@as\hF]^n#VPK~$6+'Sj4X8gz8V5Z?(#L1l=.s-MGYN}#fr (Richard Stallman's message of "Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:47:48 -0500") Message-ID: <4r3a43h21q.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Richard Stallman wrote: > I suspect that some idlwave file does nontrivial actions when it is > merely loaded. emacs -Q -l idlwave does some work to set up the `idlwave-routines' variable. Is this an issue? It doesn't change any aspect of Emacs behaviour, it's just (verbosely) initializing so that it can start up faster when actually needed. It only starts doing it if Emacs is idle for `idlwave-init-rinfo-when-idle-after' seconds (default 10). Change this variable to 0 and it won't do anything until the information is actually needed. From rms@gnu.org Wed Nov 25 22:23:11 2009 Received: (at 4957) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 26 Nov 2009 06:23:11 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.1 required=4.0 tests=AWL,HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id nAQ6N9pA017038 for <4957@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Wed, 25 Nov 2009 22:23:11 -0800 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1NDXkz-0007T9-8L; Thu, 26 Nov 2009 01:23:09 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 From: Richard Stallman To: Glenn Morris CC: 4957@debbugs.gnu.org In-reply-to: <4r3a43h21q.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (message from Glenn Morris on Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:37:53 -0500) Subject: Re: bug#4957: 23.1.50; idlwave activated spuriously Reply-to: rms@gnu.org References: <4r3a43h21q.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Message-Id: Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 01:23:09 -0500 does some work to set up the `idlwave-routines' variable. Is this an issue? It doesn't change any aspect of Emacs behaviour, it's just (verbosely) initializing so that it can start up faster when actually needed. It only starts doing it if Emacs is idle for `idlwave-init-rinfo-when-idle-after' seconds (default 10). With that mechanism, this would not get activated during bootstrap, right? Either there is a bug in that code, or what I saw was something else. Do you see this when you bootstrap? From rgm@gnu.org Sun Nov 29 22:44:56 2009 Received: (at 4957) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 30 Nov 2009 06:44:56 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.2 required=4.0 tests=AWL,HAS_BUG_NUMBER, X_DEBBUGS_NO_ACK autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id nAU6isAr004935 for <4957@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Sun, 29 Nov 2009 22:44:55 -0800 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1NF00D-0004dC-G4; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 01:44:53 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: rms@gnu.org Cc: 4957@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#4957: 23.1.50; idlwave activated spuriously References: <4r3a43h21q.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-Spook: clandestine weapons of mass destruction mindwar JUWTF X-Ran: 9I>HI?!guK{%0n[eG~e`$$[Y+Sp&TLC%@PM61T&>37J&1/c?9,!8[|zp.3DWj)zS7y"H~> X-Hue: magenta X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 01:44:53 -0500 Message-ID: <4ck4x8jyu2.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Richard Stallman wrote: > With that mechanism, this would not get activated during bootstrap, > right? Either there is a bug in that code, or what I saw was > something else. > > Do you see this when you bootstrap? No I don't, because bootstrapping starts a new Emacs instance to compile every file in a pure environment. They exit when done, so never hang around for 10 seconds of idle time to allow this code to run. I thought you said you did a recompile, which is different and compiles everything in a single Emacs instance. From rms@gnu.org Mon Nov 30 20:10:06 2009 Received: (at 4957) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 1 Dec 2009 04:10:07 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.1 required=4.0 tests=AWL,HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id nB14A5HD011278 for <4957@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:10:06 -0800 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1NFK3v-0000Kd-Su; Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:10:03 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 From: Richard Stallman To: Glenn Morris CC: 4957@debbugs.gnu.org In-reply-to: <4ck4x8jyu2.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (message from Glenn Morris on Mon, 30 Nov 2009 01:44:53 -0500) Subject: Re: bug#4957: 23.1.50; idlwave activated spuriously Reply-to: rms@gnu.org References: <4r3a43h21q.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <4ck4x8jyu2.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Message-Id: Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:10:03 -0500 No I don't, because bootstrapping starts a new Emacs instance to compile every file in a pure environment. They exit when done, so never hang around for 10 seconds of idle time to allow this code to run. I thought you said you did a recompile, which is different and compiles everything in a single Emacs instance. I think this occurred during a bootstrap. But I can't be sure of that memory after the time that has gone by. From rgm@gnu.org Tue Dec 1 13:12:29 2009 Received: (at control) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 1 Dec 2009 21:12:29 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=4.0 tests=AWL,ONEWORD autolearn=no version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id nB1LCRWr009597 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 13:12:29 -0800 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1NFa1L-00011P-3i; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 16:12:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19221.34490.957413.212691@fencepost.gnu.org> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 16:12:26 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: control Subject: control unarchive 1969 forcemerge 1969 5083 reassign 5087 spam reassign 5088 spam reassign 5089 spam reassign 5090 spam reassign 5092 spam reassign 5084 emacs,ns tags 4957 moreinfo unreproducible tags 5059 moreinfo unreproducible tags 5086 moreinfo unreproducible From rgm@gnu.org Tue Dec 1 19:08:07 2009 Received: (at 4957) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 2 Dec 2009 03:08:07 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.2 required=4.0 tests=AWL,HAS_BUG_NUMBER, X_DEBBUGS_NO_ACK autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id nB23862V008312 for <4957@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 19:08:07 -0800 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1NFfZU-0007vD-TA; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 22:08:04 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: rms@gnu.org Cc: 4957@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#4957: 23.1.50; idlwave activated spuriously References: <4r3a43h21q.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <4ck4x8jyu2.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-Spook: Majic S Key digicash Medco 22nd SAS Blowpipe diwn mindwar X-Ran: @]n~A]1BFlK`XR49#1DPR!G'#_$%0#av1U7;5M]IG.I)j{E1z,l{a^}~1p@4%V$!N1R>VS X-Hue: blue X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 22:08:04 -0500 Message-ID: <8gocmiax9n.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Richard Stallman wrote: > I think this occurred during a bootstrap. But I can't be sure > of that memory after the time that has gone by. I can't see how it could happen during bootstrap, and have never seen it myself. I do see how it could happen with `make recompile' or something similar. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jul 09 21:10:13 2011 Received: (at 4957-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Jul 2011 01:10:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QfiXF-0007OO-0B for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 21:10:13 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QfiXC-0007O9-Q6 for 4957-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 21:10:11 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55132) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QfiX7-0003Nd-56; Sat, 09 Jul 2011 21:10:05 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: 4957-done@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#4957: 23.1.50; idlwave activated spuriously References: <4r3a43h21q.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <4ck4x8jyu2.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <8gocmiax9n.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-Spook: assassinate Uzbekistan broadside Comirex bullion Panama X-Ran: A`kOp=*es.q,2}c;I#UFE563aWY'Ow991wl.#_=B4S]Y^AeYt\ps.-GJIIW5T/02;gY!02 X-Hue: red X-Attribution: GM Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2011 21:10:04 -0400 In-Reply-To: <8gocmiax9n.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (Glenn Morris's message of "Tue, 01 Dec 2009 22:08:04 -0500") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 4957-done X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) I'm closing this report. I think the details at http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=4957 basically explain that there is nothing to do here. From unknown Mon Aug 18 15:41:05 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2011 11:24:14 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator