From unknown Sun Jun 22 11:34:12 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#49317 <49317@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#49317 <49317@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: dist: depends on $(BUILT_SOURCES), but has no reason to Reply-To: bug#49317 <49317@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2025 18:34:12 +0000 retitle 49317 dist: depends on $(BUILT_SOURCES), but has no reason to reassign 49317 automake submitter 49317 Allison Karlitskaya severity 49317 normal thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jul 01 10:41:34 2021 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Jul 2021 14:41:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33537 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lyxsi-0003fR-CW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 01 Jul 2021 10:41:34 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:59092) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lyvGM-0003B1-2j for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 01 Jul 2021 07:53:46 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:51830) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lyvGL-00081H-Pr for bug-automake@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Jul 2021 07:53:45 -0400 Received: from us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com ([170.10.133.124]:21131) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lyvGK-0006M6-3s for bug-automake@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Jul 2021 07:53:45 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=redhat.com; s=mimecast20190719; t=1625140423; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type; bh=bLKiQrIqlcJ/RkAK+MPrYJXYwde5UaYqxiEHwvWCwYg=; b=JyIv89U9Va9Ha3uwbLAt43q7aEV0+8ufiPPRiBonT/6h25FSGK4cey22D7x0Ue1oYdejtm 5lboMco+fRgZbQeu5MKrYDcDNCofLnrTTzhla4v+S53xpTD2QYZ7d9QSEdqyjQ4eJQQklm Oaz4dmiKd+ll0F1EfEj1n8Tbuv0sPSM= Received: from mail-pf1-f197.google.com (mail-pf1-f197.google.com [209.85.210.197]) (Using TLS) by relay.mimecast.com with ESMTP id us-mta-428-n-A3-JOZOrivaAlI5uMDUw-1; Thu, 01 Jul 2021 07:52:35 -0400 X-MC-Unique: n-A3-JOZOrivaAlI5uMDUw-1 Received: by mail-pf1-f197.google.com with SMTP id s15-20020a056a0008cfb0290306b50a28ecso3923748pfu.10 for ; Thu, 01 Jul 2021 04:52:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=bLKiQrIqlcJ/RkAK+MPrYJXYwde5UaYqxiEHwvWCwYg=; b=AeBuM04N1fRsU41pemhF9v0lfacr2Zf2jNGavR/3n6EwN5iY+260QG+NL14CNeh8R6 0oFSgHJqIG/HUFi7LtCI0Jv1d0ZP+z/tzF5e+T3eQXIs4Qp4T+aZaD9VagJvN0gOMRA2 F1l5vzfIutozPP8ByrbxxAByhCmWhPG6znpPITZ7psm8dul6bz70l12KZFnYS2ma28ZK HV8cbZ4aQvCjFHVVxJPHAuNAhHb/lDT32gpNzjqZd9BjzxDBRhGQUNcvBX3tkA5pEsYV X7kCPwGQM5CBBMtRajLKnVmuSh59U1XTIVIoCQ4ckF3DfyTe//KAibi0bg4XwonCAIJr NDHw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531rx9VtCjiqFXstZw/T0hYaQgtbwkA7rr2FhR2jwR8vmZqSyvqN 8xX5Nls7sJXwg8IvNNzlZneYbyxIhnSN15I0nRuZuOEJvaVUTPQlC3ACBDhQoLgGgW1HeTeK8iu NGQGpdmlkrkJ7kxQJ9dYaoRDb1rBPwQ== X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:c506:: with SMTP id k6mr9644667pjt.198.1625140354467; Thu, 01 Jul 2021 04:52:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJytbLd5/AHzHFvsJ1jQEPluIfHJqLX8TKeBjO6FYrbg1nUxhW4GkLonQZZuklJYOAOHuc0A+Lx50m2ShP8goE0= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:c506:: with SMTP id k6mr9644647pjt.198.1625140354103; Thu, 01 Jul 2021 04:52:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Allison Karlitskaya Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2021 13:52:44 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: dist: depends on $(BUILT_SOURCES), but has no reason to To: bug-automake@gnu.org Authentication-Results: relay.mimecast.com; auth=pass smtp.auth=CUSA124A263 smtp.mailfrom=alortie@redhat.com X-Mimecast-Spam-Score: 0 X-Mimecast-Originator: redhat.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=170.10.133.124; envelope-from=alortie@redhat.com; helo=us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com X-Spam_score_int: -31 X-Spam_score: -3.2 X-Spam_bar: --- X-Spam_report: (-3.2 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.402, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 01 Jul 2021 10:41:31 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) BUILT_SOURCES solves a useful problem and we use it in our package for a few things. Its stated purpose (from the docs) is all about compilation and dependency tracking. It makes sense that $(BUILT_SOURCES) should then be built as a prerequisite before any targets that result in compilation: all, check, install-exec, ... `make dist` doesn't compile the program, though: it distributes the sources. And usually generated files are not distributed. If they were to be disted, they could be listed explicitly for being disted (for example in a _SOURCES variable or so). We go out of the way to put our compiled sources in nodist_ variables, and indeed, they're not disted. But because of the above dependency `make dist` still builds them (and then ignores them). Of course, there might be a edgecase where the disted tarball should contain content that is output by a C program which needs to be compiled and contains, itself, some generated sources. Indeed, this change was introduced in 2017, in this commit: commit ac47c22e3c0c8b055cdd47ccd18621c56f807b37 Author: Jim Meyering AuthorDate: Thu Mar 20 12:31:32 2014 -0700 Commit: Jim Meyering CommitDate: Tue Nov 28 19:05:59 2017 -0800 "make dist" did not depend on $(BUILT_SOURCES) in response to this report: https://lists.gnu.org/r/bug-hello/2014-03/msg00016.html GNU Hello builds its manpage (which it dists) by building and running the binary and capturing its --help output. A blanket depend on $(BUILT_SOURCES) for all automake-using projects seems to be much too large of a hammer to solve that specific problem. Thanks very much, Allison Karlitskaya From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jul 01 18:15:20 2021 Received: (at 49317) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Jul 2021 22:15:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33789 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lz4xs-0007NR-Jf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 01 Jul 2021 18:15:20 -0400 Received: from freefriends.org ([96.88.95.60]:57308) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lz4xq-0007NI-Ot for 49317@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 01 Jul 2021 18:15:19 -0400 X-Envelope-From: karl@freefriends.org Received: from freefriends.org (freefriends.org [96.88.95.60]) by freefriends.org (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id 161MFHlx007863 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 1 Jul 2021 16:15:17 -0600 Received: (from apache@localhost) by freefriends.org (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) id 161MFGLB007862; Thu, 1 Jul 2021 16:15:16 -0600 Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2021 16:15:16 -0600 Message-Id: <202107012215.161MFGLB007862@freefriends.org> From: Karl Berry To: allison.karlitskaya@redhat.com Subject: Re: bug#49317: dist: depends on $(BUILT_SOURCES), but has no reason to In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 49317 Cc: 49317@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) GNU Hello builds its manpage (which it dists) by building and running the binary and capturing its --help output. This is quite common (among GNU packages anyway). So it is not surprising Jim (hi Jim) committed a general solution. A blanket depend on $(BUILT_SOURCES) for all automake-using projects seems to be much too large of a hammer to solve that specific problem. I tend to agree, but at this point I would not want to create an incompatibility by undoing it. Instead, I guess a new option (for AUTOMAKE_OPTIONS) would be needed. A patch would be welcome. Jim, maybe you have other/more ideas ... --thanks, karl. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jul 02 10:32:19 2021 Received: (at 49317) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Jul 2021 14:32:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36860 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lzKDH-0001mA-Pb for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Jul 2021 10:32:19 -0400 Received: from us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com ([170.10.133.124]:26380) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lzIiL-0007GN-It for 49317@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Jul 2021 08:56:17 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=redhat.com; s=mimecast20190719; t=1625230572; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=0W9F/jf7SIBlS54l0t3E03GrH1EZFJa0YUW3twN8rYs=; b=F/D837XOlshSkZQE5RvMr/NGaRuR8SsLCbujyMByaoKhEc4OVqTHB9qHsrZNZ1f5lu6RnL 6XkBAdyPQ9qlO5nIq9iTBBWV80803oByRl/apmVX4j81RiRpnobW0xWUcNCLg645SeAUbR cSARRD/7Erh2txjQxXWCnng9mPiaas0= Received: from mail-pf1-f199.google.com (mail-pf1-f199.google.com [209.85.210.199]) (Using TLS) by relay.mimecast.com with ESMTP id us-mta-496-lNJBjdG8MFuH4Wx_fWKFsA-1; Fri, 02 Jul 2021 08:56:09 -0400 X-MC-Unique: lNJBjdG8MFuH4Wx_fWKFsA-1 Received: by mail-pf1-f199.google.com with SMTP id s15-20020a056a0008cfb0290306b50a28ecso6231561pfu.10 for <49317@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 02 Jul 2021 05:56:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=0W9F/jf7SIBlS54l0t3E03GrH1EZFJa0YUW3twN8rYs=; b=tsgFxXhaPHVLKjoUTm9vNT2ddtI0KkjIGGsOYqyEEVk8tbOCvx80dB3aPyskoEWk60 JRG54eg7URiKwyb3QZQUSxo4DEeDfrgru84RZRH99d6+/LbA8kyDO03Y0cy5+/AyhMnw 8/mumKgktq6YH58RPLnykf5aoR3X/L6btyAapFqL4so7ZtxlLlebDHLdb4ziyATwYF9T I8fGjXVm3+yclLhBMnXqX10z2qVLLVg21UUQydurPi46n0hM7oAH690Bc4gQpepTsPG6 1aGPI4bUVSOOWWmNr047KZzjgvFuQBzF1IrF7YcX++JPnsNLLFgk2whsfAtLes0IcxJO 5q+w== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531WNKx6WxNSZXLTwqnOj75U8t5DrIQW/fMFhNg3E04rfxvAyYOl 14tm8zX9ujDQvCF+xBPWF+9lkAtvFtoA4EgcbglT4tlk/8a1hGuSfsJ7mgX7vvbnuDVMKX+qZPT MN1uR26wqZcUTIKhGtLmR9jovn3w28Zw= X-Received: by 2002:a65:6494:: with SMTP id e20mr5222407pgv.101.1625230568707; Fri, 02 Jul 2021 05:56:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzYvKuYoRR7x/p+MgEv0CP4yR0OCaCA8OmrARZlx4lVKYCTPioAjtro8AMdC+qE/1V5561oSmD5MXmz3d8DoI4= X-Received: by 2002:a65:6494:: with SMTP id e20mr5222391pgv.101.1625230568438; Fri, 02 Jul 2021 05:56:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <202107012215.161MFGLB007862@freefriends.org> In-Reply-To: <202107012215.161MFGLB007862@freefriends.org> From: Allison Karlitskaya Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2021 14:56:19 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#49317: dist: depends on $(BUILT_SOURCES), but has no reason to To: Karl Berry Authentication-Results: relay.mimecast.com; auth=pass smtp.auth=CUSA124A263 smtp.mailfrom=alortie@redhat.com X-Mimecast-Spam-Score: 0 X-Mimecast-Originator: redhat.com Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="000000000000b5e3ea05c6237a8c" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 49317 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 02 Jul 2021 10:32:14 -0400 Cc: 49317@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) --000000000000b5e3ea05c6237a8c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" [PATCH] dist: add new "pure-dist" automake option Since v1.15.1-204-gac47c22e3, "make dist" has been depending on $(BUILT_SOURCES) to avoid problems when building some GNU packages which need to compile themselves as part of building their tarballs (for example, to generate manpage content from --help output). This default behaviour might be "too much" for other projects, though, so add a new option "pure-dist" to disable it. * NEWS: * bin/automake.in: * doc/automake.texi: Add a new option "pure-dist" to disable the dependency of distdir: on $(BUILT_SOURCES). * t/pure-dist.sh: * t/impure-dist.sh: Add a pair of tests for a similar scenario with and without the option. 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