From unknown Sun Jun 22 11:43:12 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#49317: dist: depends on $(BUILT_SOURCES), but has no reason to Resent-From: Allison Karlitskaya Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-automake@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2021 14:42:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 49317 X-GNU-PR-Package: automake X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 49317@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-automake@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.162515049414107 (code B ref -1); Thu, 01 Jul 2021 14:42:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Jul 2021 14:41:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33537 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lyxsi-0003fR-CW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 01 Jul 2021 10:41:34 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:59092) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lyvGM-0003B1-2j for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 01 Jul 2021 07:53:46 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:51830) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lyvGL-00081H-Pr for bug-automake@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Jul 2021 07:53:45 -0400 Received: from us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com ([170.10.133.124]:21131) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lyvGK-0006M6-3s for bug-automake@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Jul 2021 07:53:45 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=redhat.com; s=mimecast20190719; t=1625140423; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type; bh=bLKiQrIqlcJ/RkAK+MPrYJXYwde5UaYqxiEHwvWCwYg=; b=JyIv89U9Va9Ha3uwbLAt43q7aEV0+8ufiPPRiBonT/6h25FSGK4cey22D7x0Ue1oYdejtm 5lboMco+fRgZbQeu5MKrYDcDNCofLnrTTzhla4v+S53xpTD2QYZ7d9QSEdqyjQ4eJQQklm Oaz4dmiKd+ll0F1EfEj1n8Tbuv0sPSM= Received: from mail-pf1-f197.google.com (mail-pf1-f197.google.com [209.85.210.197]) (Using TLS) by relay.mimecast.com with ESMTP id us-mta-428-n-A3-JOZOrivaAlI5uMDUw-1; Thu, 01 Jul 2021 07:52:35 -0400 X-MC-Unique: n-A3-JOZOrivaAlI5uMDUw-1 Received: by mail-pf1-f197.google.com with SMTP id s15-20020a056a0008cfb0290306b50a28ecso3923748pfu.10 for ; Thu, 01 Jul 2021 04:52:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=bLKiQrIqlcJ/RkAK+MPrYJXYwde5UaYqxiEHwvWCwYg=; b=AeBuM04N1fRsU41pemhF9v0lfacr2Zf2jNGavR/3n6EwN5iY+260QG+NL14CNeh8R6 0oFSgHJqIG/HUFi7LtCI0Jv1d0ZP+z/tzF5e+T3eQXIs4Qp4T+aZaD9VagJvN0gOMRA2 F1l5vzfIutozPP8ByrbxxAByhCmWhPG6znpPITZ7psm8dul6bz70l12KZFnYS2ma28ZK HV8cbZ4aQvCjFHVVxJPHAuNAhHb/lDT32gpNzjqZd9BjzxDBRhGQUNcvBX3tkA5pEsYV X7kCPwGQM5CBBMtRajLKnVmuSh59U1XTIVIoCQ4ckF3DfyTe//KAibi0bg4XwonCAIJr NDHw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531rx9VtCjiqFXstZw/T0hYaQgtbwkA7rr2FhR2jwR8vmZqSyvqN 8xX5Nls7sJXwg8IvNNzlZneYbyxIhnSN15I0nRuZuOEJvaVUTPQlC3ACBDhQoLgGgW1HeTeK8iu NGQGpdmlkrkJ7kxQJ9dYaoRDb1rBPwQ== X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:c506:: with SMTP id k6mr9644667pjt.198.1625140354467; Thu, 01 Jul 2021 04:52:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJytbLd5/AHzHFvsJ1jQEPluIfHJqLX8TKeBjO6FYrbg1nUxhW4GkLonQZZuklJYOAOHuc0A+Lx50m2ShP8goE0= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:c506:: with SMTP id k6mr9644647pjt.198.1625140354103; Thu, 01 Jul 2021 04:52:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Allison Karlitskaya Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2021 13:52:44 +0200 Message-ID: Authentication-Results: relay.mimecast.com; auth=pass smtp.auth=CUSA124A263 smtp.mailfrom=alortie@redhat.com X-Mimecast-Spam-Score: 0 X-Mimecast-Originator: redhat.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=170.10.133.124; envelope-from=alortie@redhat.com; helo=us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com X-Spam_score_int: -31 X-Spam_score: -3.2 X-Spam_bar: --- X-Spam_report: (-3.2 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.402, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 01 Jul 2021 10:41:31 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) BUILT_SOURCES solves a useful problem and we use it in our package for a few things. Its stated purpose (from the docs) is all about compilation and dependency tracking. It makes sense that $(BUILT_SOURCES) should then be built as a prerequisite before any targets that result in compilation: all, check, install-exec, ... `make dist` doesn't compile the program, though: it distributes the sources. And usually generated files are not distributed. If they were to be disted, they could be listed explicitly for being disted (for example in a _SOURCES variable or so). We go out of the way to put our compiled sources in nodist_ variables, and indeed, they're not disted. But because of the above dependency `make dist` still builds them (and then ignores them). Of course, there might be a edgecase where the disted tarball should contain content that is output by a C program which needs to be compiled and contains, itself, some generated sources. Indeed, this change was introduced in 2017, in this commit: commit ac47c22e3c0c8b055cdd47ccd18621c56f807b37 Author: Jim Meyering AuthorDate: Thu Mar 20 12:31:32 2014 -0700 Commit: Jim Meyering CommitDate: Tue Nov 28 19:05:59 2017 -0800 "make dist" did not depend on $(BUILT_SOURCES) in response to this report: https://lists.gnu.org/r/bug-hello/2014-03/msg00016.html GNU Hello builds its manpage (which it dists) by building and running the binary and capturing its --help output. A blanket depend on $(BUILT_SOURCES) for all automake-using projects seems to be much too large of a hammer to solve that specific problem. Thanks very much, Allison Karlitskaya From unknown Sun Jun 22 11:43:12 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#49317: dist: depends on $(BUILT_SOURCES), but has no reason to References: Resent-From: Karl Berry Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-automake@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2021 22:16:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 49317 X-GNU-PR-Package: automake X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: allison.karlitskaya@redhat.com Cc: 49317@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 49317-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B49317.162517772028365 (code B ref 49317); Thu, 01 Jul 2021 22:16:02 +0000 Received: (at 49317) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Jul 2021 22:15:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33789 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lz4xs-0007NR-Jf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 01 Jul 2021 18:15:20 -0400 Received: from freefriends.org ([96.88.95.60]:57308) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lz4xq-0007NI-Ot for 49317@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 01 Jul 2021 18:15:19 -0400 X-Envelope-From: karl@freefriends.org Received: from freefriends.org (freefriends.org [96.88.95.60]) by freefriends.org (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id 161MFHlx007863 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 1 Jul 2021 16:15:17 -0600 Received: (from apache@localhost) by freefriends.org (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) id 161MFGLB007862; Thu, 1 Jul 2021 16:15:16 -0600 Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2021 16:15:16 -0600 Message-Id: <202107012215.161MFGLB007862@freefriends.org> From: Karl Berry In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) GNU Hello builds its manpage (which it dists) by building and running the binary and capturing its --help output. This is quite common (among GNU packages anyway). So it is not surprising Jim (hi Jim) committed a general solution. A blanket depend on $(BUILT_SOURCES) for all automake-using projects seems to be much too large of a hammer to solve that specific problem. I tend to agree, but at this point I would not want to create an incompatibility by undoing it. Instead, I guess a new option (for AUTOMAKE_OPTIONS) would be needed. A patch would be welcome. Jim, maybe you have other/more ideas ... --thanks, karl. 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This default behaviour might be "too much" for other projects, though, so add a new option "pure-dist" to disable it. * NEWS: * bin/automake.in: * doc/automake.texi: Add a new option "pure-dist" to disable the dependency of distdir: on $(BUILT_SOURCES). * t/pure-dist.sh: * t/impure-dist.sh: Add a pair of tests for a similar scenario with and without the option. 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+0000 Received: (at 49317) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Jul 2021 01:37:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50122 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1m4CnB-0003oX-9f for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 21:37:29 -0400 Received: from freefriends.org ([96.88.95.60]:47852) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1m4Cn9-0003oK-65; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 21:37:28 -0400 X-Envelope-From: karl@freefriends.org Received: from freefriends.org (freefriends.org [96.88.95.60]) by freefriends.org (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id 16G1bPb1025638 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 15 Jul 2021 19:37:26 -0600 Received: (from apache@localhost) by freefriends.org (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) id 16G1bPJU025637; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 19:37:25 -0600 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 19:37:25 -0600 Message-Id: <202107160137.16G1bPJU025637@freefriends.org> From: Karl Berry In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Hi Allison - Jim finished pushing your patch a day or two ago. Complications in testing. Thanks for the contribution! --karl From unknown Sun Jun 22 11:43:12 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.505 (Entity 5.505) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: Allison Karlitskaya Subject: bug#49317: closed (Re: bug#49317: dist: depends on $(BUILT_SOURCES), but has no reason to) Message-ID: References: <202107160137.16G1bPJU025637@freefriends.org> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 49317 X-Gnu-PR-Package: automake Reply-To: 49317@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2021 01:38:02 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1626399482-14721-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1626399482-14721-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #49317: dist: depends on $(BUILT_SOURCES), but has no reason to which was filed against the automake package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 49317@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 49317: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D49317 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1626399482-14721-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 49317-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Jul 2021 01:37:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50120 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1m4CnB-0003oV-4T for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 21:37:29 -0400 Received: from freefriends.org ([96.88.95.60]:47852) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1m4Cn9-0003oK-65; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 21:37:28 -0400 X-Envelope-From: karl@freefriends.org Received: from freefriends.org (freefriends.org [96.88.95.60]) by freefriends.org (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id 16G1bPb1025638 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Thu, 15 Jul 2021 19:37:26 -0600 Received: (from apache@localhost) by freefriends.org (8.14.7/8.14.7/Submit) id 16G1bPJU025637; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 19:37:25 -0600 Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 19:37:25 -0600 Message-Id: <202107160137.16G1bPJU025637@freefriends.org> From: Karl Berry To: allison.karlitskaya@redhat.com Subject: Re: bug#49317: dist: depends on $(BUILT_SOURCES), but has no reason to In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 49317-done Cc: 49317@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Hi Allison - Jim finished pushing your patch a day or two ago. Complications in testing. Thanks for the contribution! --karl ------------=_1626399482-14721-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Jul 2021 14:41:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33537 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lyxsi-0003fR-CW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 01 Jul 2021 10:41:34 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:59092) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lyvGM-0003B1-2j for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 01 Jul 2021 07:53:46 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:51830) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lyvGL-00081H-Pr for bug-automake@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Jul 2021 07:53:45 -0400 Received: from us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com ([170.10.133.124]:21131) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lyvGK-0006M6-3s for bug-automake@gnu.org; Thu, 01 Jul 2021 07:53:45 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=redhat.com; s=mimecast20190719; t=1625140423; h=from:from:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date:message-id:message-id: to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version:content-type:content-type; bh=bLKiQrIqlcJ/RkAK+MPrYJXYwde5UaYqxiEHwvWCwYg=; b=JyIv89U9Va9Ha3uwbLAt43q7aEV0+8ufiPPRiBonT/6h25FSGK4cey22D7x0Ue1oYdejtm 5lboMco+fRgZbQeu5MKrYDcDNCofLnrTTzhla4v+S53xpTD2QYZ7d9QSEdqyjQ4eJQQklm Oaz4dmiKd+ll0F1EfEj1n8Tbuv0sPSM= Received: from mail-pf1-f197.google.com (mail-pf1-f197.google.com [209.85.210.197]) (Using TLS) by relay.mimecast.com with ESMTP id us-mta-428-n-A3-JOZOrivaAlI5uMDUw-1; Thu, 01 Jul 2021 07:52:35 -0400 X-MC-Unique: n-A3-JOZOrivaAlI5uMDUw-1 Received: by mail-pf1-f197.google.com with SMTP id s15-20020a056a0008cfb0290306b50a28ecso3923748pfu.10 for ; Thu, 01 Jul 2021 04:52:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=bLKiQrIqlcJ/RkAK+MPrYJXYwde5UaYqxiEHwvWCwYg=; b=AeBuM04N1fRsU41pemhF9v0lfacr2Zf2jNGavR/3n6EwN5iY+260QG+NL14CNeh8R6 0oFSgHJqIG/HUFi7LtCI0Jv1d0ZP+z/tzF5e+T3eQXIs4Qp4T+aZaD9VagJvN0gOMRA2 F1l5vzfIutozPP8ByrbxxAByhCmWhPG6znpPITZ7psm8dul6bz70l12KZFnYS2ma28ZK HV8cbZ4aQvCjFHVVxJPHAuNAhHb/lDT32gpNzjqZd9BjzxDBRhGQUNcvBX3tkA5pEsYV X7kCPwGQM5CBBMtRajLKnVmuSh59U1XTIVIoCQ4ckF3DfyTe//KAibi0bg4XwonCAIJr NDHw== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531rx9VtCjiqFXstZw/T0hYaQgtbwkA7rr2FhR2jwR8vmZqSyvqN 8xX5Nls7sJXwg8IvNNzlZneYbyxIhnSN15I0nRuZuOEJvaVUTPQlC3ACBDhQoLgGgW1HeTeK8iu NGQGpdmlkrkJ7kxQJ9dYaoRDb1rBPwQ== X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:c506:: with SMTP id k6mr9644667pjt.198.1625140354467; Thu, 01 Jul 2021 04:52:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJytbLd5/AHzHFvsJ1jQEPluIfHJqLX8TKeBjO6FYrbg1nUxhW4GkLonQZZuklJYOAOHuc0A+Lx50m2ShP8goE0= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:c506:: with SMTP id k6mr9644647pjt.198.1625140354103; Thu, 01 Jul 2021 04:52:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Allison Karlitskaya Date: Thu, 1 Jul 2021 13:52:44 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: dist: depends on $(BUILT_SOURCES), but has no reason to To: bug-automake@gnu.org Authentication-Results: relay.mimecast.com; auth=pass smtp.auth=CUSA124A263 smtp.mailfrom=alortie@redhat.com X-Mimecast-Spam-Score: 0 X-Mimecast-Originator: redhat.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=170.10.133.124; envelope-from=alortie@redhat.com; helo=us-smtp-delivery-124.mimecast.com X-Spam_score_int: -31 X-Spam_score: -3.2 X-Spam_bar: --- X-Spam_report: (-3.2 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.402, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 01 Jul 2021 10:41:31 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) BUILT_SOURCES solves a useful problem and we use it in our package for a few things. Its stated purpose (from the docs) is all about compilation and dependency tracking. It makes sense that $(BUILT_SOURCES) should then be built as a prerequisite before any targets that result in compilation: all, check, install-exec, ... `make dist` doesn't compile the program, though: it distributes the sources. And usually generated files are not distributed. If they were to be disted, they could be listed explicitly for being disted (for example in a _SOURCES variable or so). We go out of the way to put our compiled sources in nodist_ variables, and indeed, they're not disted. But because of the above dependency `make dist` still builds them (and then ignores them). Of course, there might be a edgecase where the disted tarball should contain content that is output by a C program which needs to be compiled and contains, itself, some generated sources. Indeed, this change was introduced in 2017, in this commit: commit ac47c22e3c0c8b055cdd47ccd18621c56f807b37 Author: Jim Meyering AuthorDate: Thu Mar 20 12:31:32 2014 -0700 Commit: Jim Meyering CommitDate: Tue Nov 28 19:05:59 2017 -0800 "make dist" did not depend on $(BUILT_SOURCES) in response to this report: https://lists.gnu.org/r/bug-hello/2014-03/msg00016.html GNU Hello builds its manpage (which it dists) by building and running the binary and capturing its --help output. A blanket depend on $(BUILT_SOURCES) for all automake-using projects seems to be much too large of a hammer to solve that specific problem. Thanks very much, Allison Karlitskaya ------------=_1626399482-14721-1--