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28.0.50; [PATCH] Uninitialized inhibit_buffer_hooks

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From: dick <dick.r.chiang <at> gmail.com>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 28.0.50; [PATCH] Uninitialized inhibit_buffer_hooks
Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2021 15:39:26 -0400

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It's random whether buffers created outside `get-buffer-create`, i.e.,
indirect buffers, call kill-buffer hooks.

[0001-Uninitialized-inhibit-buffer-hooks.patch (text/x-diff, attachment)]

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In GNU Emacs 28.0.50 (build 4, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.22.30, cairo version 1.15.10)
 of 2021-06-16 built on dick
Repository revision: 1aece73f02724f283bea73e374f6f7f2b4af3b50
Repository branch: gnus-dev-28
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Message #8 received at 49160 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: dick <dick.r.chiang <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 49160 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#49160: 28.0.50; [PATCH] Uninitialized inhibit_buffer_hooks
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2021 14:41:17 +0300

> From: dick <dick.r.chiang <at> gmail.com>
> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2021 15:39:26 -0400
> 
> It's random whether buffers created outside `get-buffer-create`, i.e.,
> indirect buffers, call kill-buffer hooks.

Please in the future try to be more explicit in describing the
problem.  "It is random" isn't explicit enough.

More to the point: since this attribute of a buffer cannot be changed
once the buffer is created, I think it might be okay to copy from the
base buffer, but we should also allow the caller to control that by
introducing an optional argument similar to that of get-buffer-create.
And if we do that, we could also consider making the default value be
nil, not necessarily a copy of that of the base buffer.

Thanks.

Message #11 received at 49160 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 49160 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, dick <dick.r.chiang <at> gmail.com>
Subject: Re: bug#49160: 28.0.50; [PATCH] Uninitialized inhibit_buffer_hooks
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 18:23:36 +0200

Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:

> More to the point: since this attribute of a buffer cannot be changed
> once the buffer is created, I think it might be okay to copy from the
> base buffer, but we should also allow the caller to control that by
> introducing an optional argument similar to that of get-buffer-create.
> And if we do that, we could also consider making the default value be
> nil, not necessarily a copy of that of the base buffer.

I've now applied Dick's patch, and then adjusted as you suggest.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

Message #16 received at 49160 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 49160 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, dick.r.chiang <at> gmail.com
Subject: Re: bug#49160: 28.0.50; [PATCH] Uninitialized inhibit_buffer_hooks
Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 19:47:27 +0300

> From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
> Cc: dick <dick.r.chiang <at> gmail.com>,  49160 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 18:23:36 +0200
> 
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:
> 
> > More to the point: since this attribute of a buffer cannot be changed
> > once the buffer is created, I think it might be okay to copy from the
> > base buffer, but we should also allow the caller to control that by
> > introducing an optional argument similar to that of get-buffer-create.
> > And if we do that, we could also consider making the default value be
> > nil, not necessarily a copy of that of the base buffer.
> 
> I've now applied Dick's patch, and then adjusted as you suggest.

Thanks.

Message #23 received at 49160 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: "Basil L. Contovounesios" <contovob <at> tcd.ie>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, 49160 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,
 dick <dick.r.chiang <at> gmail.com>
Subject: Re: bug#49160: 28.0.50; [PATCH] Uninitialized inhibit_buffer_hooks
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2023 20:13:21 +0000

[Message part 1 (text/plain, inline)]

Lars Ingebrigtsen [2021-07-19 18:23 +0200] wrote:

> Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:
>
>> More to the point: since this attribute of a buffer cannot be changed
>> once the buffer is created, I think it might be okay to copy from the
>> base buffer, but we should also allow the caller to control that by
>> introducing an optional argument similar to that of get-buffer-create.
>> And if we do that, we could also consider making the default value be
>> nil, not necessarily a copy of that of the base buffer.
>
> I've now applied Dick's patch, and then adjusted as you suggest.

Fmake_indirect_buffer continues to run buffer-list-update-hook
regardless of the new argument.  Any objections to changing that?

[0001-Fix-buffer-list-update-hook-for-indirect-buffers.patch (text/x-diff, attachment)]

[Message part 3 (text/plain, inline)]

Thanks,

-- 
Basil

Message #26 received at 49160 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: "Basil L. Contovounesios" <contovob <at> tcd.ie>
Cc: larsi <at> gnus.org, 49160 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, dick.r.chiang <at> gmail.com
Subject: Re: bug#49160: 28.0.50; [PATCH] Uninitialized inhibit_buffer_hooks
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2023 22:23:01 +0200

> From: "Basil L. Contovounesios" <contovob <at> tcd.ie>
> Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>,  49160 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,  dick
>  <dick.r.chiang <at> gmail.com>
> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2023 20:13:21 +0000
> 
> >> More to the point: since this attribute of a buffer cannot be changed
> >> once the buffer is created, I think it might be okay to copy from the
> >> base buffer, but we should also allow the caller to control that by
> >> introducing an optional argument similar to that of get-buffer-create.
> >> And if we do that, we could also consider making the default value be
> >> nil, not necessarily a copy of that of the base buffer.
> >
> > I've now applied Dick's patch, and then adjusted as you suggest.
> 
> Fmake_indirect_buffer continues to run buffer-list-update-hook
> regardless of the new argument.  Any objections to changing that?

buffer-list-update-hook is not a buffer-hook, strictly speaking.  So
I'm not sure we want this.  What is the real-life use case behind this
request?

Message #29 received at 49160 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: "Basil L. Contovounesios" <contovob <at> tcd.ie>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: larsi <at> gnus.org, 49160 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, dick.r.chiang <at> gmail.com
Subject: Re: bug#49160: 28.0.50; [PATCH] Uninitialized inhibit_buffer_hooks
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2023 21:16:20 +0000

Eli Zaretskii [2023-01-11 15:22 -0500] wrote:

>> From: "Basil L. Contovounesios" <contovob <at> tcd.ie>
>> Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>,  49160 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,  dick
>>  <dick.r.chiang <at> gmail.com>
>> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2023 20:13:21 +0000
>> 
>> Fmake_indirect_buffer continues to run buffer-list-update-hook
>> regardless of the new argument.  Any objections to changing that?
>
> buffer-list-update-hook is not a buffer-hook, strictly speaking.

Right, but it's inhibited together with 'strict' buffer-hooks (and
documented as such) everywhere except for make-indirect-buffer: see
get-buffer-create, generate-new-buffer, struct buffer, "(elisp) Buffer
List", "(elisp) Creating Buffers", "(elisp) Buffer Internals", and
etc/NEWS.28.

In fact, "(elisp) Indirect Buffers" even says about
make-indirect-buffer:

     *Note Creating Buffers, for the meaning of INHIBIT-BUFFER-HOOKS.

Where "(elisp) Creating Buffers" elaborates:

     Both functions accept an optional argument INHIBIT-BUFFER-HOOKS.  If
  it is non-‘nil’, the buffer they create does not run the hooks
  ‘kill-buffer-hook’, ‘kill-buffer-query-functions’ (*note Killing
  Buffers), and ‘buffer-list-update-hook’ (*note Buffer List).  This
  avoids slowing down internal or temporary buffers that are never
  presented to users or passed on to other applications.

So while inhibit-buffer-hooks may be a slightly loose name, I think
make-indirect-buffer should nevertheless heed it for
buffer-list-update-hook as well, for the same reason this is done
everywhere else.

> So I'm not sure we want this.  What is the real-life use case behind
> this request?

The real-life use case is satisfying this bug report+patch from me,
fixing what seems like a simple oversight, and the ensuing peace of mind
that I will be grateful for, of course ;).

Thanks,

-- 
Basil

Message #32 received at 49160 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: "Basil L. Contovounesios" <contovob <at> tcd.ie>,
 Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: larsi <at> gnus.org, 49160 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#49160: 28.0.50; [PATCH] Uninitialized inhibit_buffer_hooks
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2023 09:39:47 +0200

> From: "Basil L. Contovounesios" <contovob <at> tcd.ie>
> Cc: larsi <at> gnus.org,  49160 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,  dick.r.chiang <at> gmail.com
> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2023 21:16:20 +0000
> 
> Eli Zaretskii [2023-01-11 15:22 -0500] wrote:
> 
> >> From: "Basil L. Contovounesios" <contovob <at> tcd.ie>
> >> Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>,  49160 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,  dick
> >>  <dick.r.chiang <at> gmail.com>
> >> Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2023 20:13:21 +0000
> >> 
> >> Fmake_indirect_buffer continues to run buffer-list-update-hook
> >> regardless of the new argument.  Any objections to changing that?
> >
> > buffer-list-update-hook is not a buffer-hook, strictly speaking.
> 
> Right, but it's inhibited together with 'strict' buffer-hooks (and
> documented as such) everywhere except for make-indirect-buffer: see
> get-buffer-create, generate-new-buffer, struct buffer, "(elisp) Buffer
> List", "(elisp) Creating Buffers", "(elisp) Buffer Internals", and
> etc/NEWS.28.
> 
> In fact, "(elisp) Indirect Buffers" even says about
> make-indirect-buffer:
> 
>      *Note Creating Buffers, for the meaning of INHIBIT-BUFFER-HOOKS.
> 
> Where "(elisp) Creating Buffers" elaborates:
> 
>      Both functions accept an optional argument INHIBIT-BUFFER-HOOKS.  If
>   it is non-‘nil’, the buffer they create does not run the hooks
>   ‘kill-buffer-hook’, ‘kill-buffer-query-functions’ (*note Killing
>   Buffers), and ‘buffer-list-update-hook’ (*note Buffer List).  This
>   avoids slowing down internal or temporary buffers that are never
>   presented to users or passed on to other applications.
> 
> So while inhibit-buffer-hooks may be a slightly loose name, I think
> make-indirect-buffer should nevertheless heed it for
> buffer-list-update-hook as well, for the same reason this is done
> everywhere else.
> 
> > So I'm not sure we want this.  What is the real-life use case behind
> > this request?
> 
> The real-life use case is satisfying this bug report+patch from me,
> fixing what seems like a simple oversight, and the ensuing peace of mind
> that I will be grateful for, of course ;).

Stefan, WDYT?

Message #35 received at 49160 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: "Basil L. Contovounesios" <contovob <at> tcd.ie>, larsi <at> gnus.org,
 49160 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#49160: 28.0.50; [PATCH] Uninitialized inhibit_buffer_hooks
Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2023 11:25:40 -0500

>> > So I'm not sure we want this.  What is the real-life use case behind
>> > this request?
>> 
>> The real-life use case is satisfying this bug report+patch from me,
>> fixing what seems like a simple oversight, and the ensuing peace of mind
>> that I will be grateful for, of course ;).
>
> Stefan, WDYT?

It makes the code simpler and fixes a bug, I'm all for it.
I don't think it's urgent, so it's not super important whether it goes
into `emacs-29`, OTOH.


        Stefan

Message #38 received at 49160 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>, contovob <at> tcd.ie
Cc: larsi <at> gnus.org, 49160 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#49160: 28.0.50; [PATCH] Uninitialized inhibit_buffer_hooks
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2023 15:20:14 +0200

> From: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
> Cc: "Basil L. Contovounesios" <contovob <at> tcd.ie>,  larsi <at> gnus.org,
>   49160 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2023 11:25:40 -0500
> 
> >> > So I'm not sure we want this.  What is the real-life use case behind
> >> > this request?
> >> 
> >> The real-life use case is satisfying this bug report+patch from me,
> >> fixing what seems like a simple oversight, and the ensuing peace of mind
> >> that I will be grateful for, of course ;).
> >
> > Stefan, WDYT?
> 
> It makes the code simpler and fixes a bug, I'm all for it.
> I don't think it's urgent, so it's not super important whether it goes
> into `emacs-29`, OTOH.

Installing it means the buffer-list-update-hook will not run when we
generate an indirect buffer with this option.  Is that reasonable?

If you-two aren't averted by this effect, then let's install this on
the emacs-29 branch.

Message #41 received at 49160 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: contovob <at> tcd.ie, larsi <at> gnus.org, 49160 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#49160: 28.0.50; [PATCH] Uninitialized inhibit_buffer_hooks
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2023 09:01:50 -0500

>> It makes the code simpler and fixes a bug, I'm all for it.
>> I don't think it's urgent, so it's not super important whether it goes
>> into `emacs-29`, OTOH.
>
> Installing it means the buffer-list-update-hook will not run when we
> generate an indirect buffer with this option.  Is that reasonable?

I think it's not just reasonable but is what I'd expect to happen.


        Stefan

Message #44 received at 49160 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: "Basil L. Contovounesios" <contovob <at> tcd.ie>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: larsi <at> gnus.org, 49160 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,
 Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
Subject: Re: bug#49160: 28.0.50; [PATCH] Uninitialized inhibit_buffer_hooks
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2023 11:08:04 +0000

Eli Zaretskii [2023-01-14 15:20 +0200] wrote:

> Installing it means the buffer-list-update-hook will not run when we
> generate an indirect buffer with this option.  Is that reasonable?
>
> If you-two aren't averted by this effect, then let's install this on
> the emacs-29 branch.

Done, thanks.

Fix buffer-list-update-hook for indirect buffers
bd094207c76 2023-01-17 10:38:22 +0000
https://git.sv.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/commit/?id=bd094207c76

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