From unknown Sun Jun 22 08:10:18 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#49139: Cannot delete *help* buffer Resent-From: philip-agee@africamel.net Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2021 16:20:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 49139 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 49139@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.16242059851210 (code B ref -1); Sun, 20 Jun 2021 16:20:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Jun 2021 16:19:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34837 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lv0Aj-0000JR-G1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Jun 2021 12:19:45 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:46188) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1luzi2-00082w-HQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Jun 2021 11:50:06 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:54632) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1luzi2-0007cN-8R for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Jun 2021 11:50:06 -0400 Received: from ip-8.mailobj.net ([213.182.54.8]:53096 helo=msg-3.mailo.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1luzhy-0005Ao-NC for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Jun 2021 11:50:05 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=africamel.net; s=mailo; t=1624204197; bh=fjUxqsFQb/Qit5CCbQJc24FqBQ0Cb5bdnINI+xHGnv0=; h=X-EA-Auth:From:To:Date:Subject:MIME-Version:X-Mailer:Message-ID: Content-Type; b=Y4LWMgodXHTzovjBkAzj06fdZXSOt9iXe/N1UCO9XrwTvOm8nfcEU8CMjq6CyhCNf s4XcX25NZYIEQaiYNhJHzgAZdxRab6nE92cnMn54Ra5gc7Ca7QCRW4iaXwhdL/xcae zToSsnlM7qFY4OFDTvsGqQgoCWcCtB074H9VGrYo= Received: by www-8.mailo.com with http webmail; Sun, 20 Jun 2021 17:49:57 +0200 (CEST) X-EA-Auth: l1kYt1TwMGeA7LNUZzJr1VgTNDIh26E1GLHev+G5VsSNRI9USzhvSnV8PVbosNHl+ZJO4j/zs38/hX0+gf3gUKYL3zlpCKXs From: philip-agee@africamel.net Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2021 17:49:57 +0200 (CEST) X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: COMS/EA21.01/r20210601 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_60cf63a5_1959_5e79577a" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=213.182.54.8; envelope-from=philip-agee@africamel.net; helo=msg-3.mailo.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 20 Jun 2021 12:19:44 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) ------=_NextPart_001_60cf63a5_1959_5e79577a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable When I use "C-h f myfunc" I get the docstring in the *help* buffer.=C2=A0 = I can close the window with "C-x 1".=C2=A0=20 But tring to close the *help* buffer does not work.=C2=A0 I press on the "= Red Cross" and the *help* buffer remains present in the Buffers Menu Bar. If I press the "Red Cross" on the *scratch* and *messages* buffers, the tw= o buffers get removed from the Buffers Menu Bar. ------=_NextPart_001_60cf63a5_1959_5e79577a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

When I use "C-h f myfunc" I get the docstring= in the *help* buffer.=C2=A0 I can close the window
with "C-= x 1".=C2=A0

But tring to close the *help= * buffer does not work.=C2=A0 I press on the "Red Cross" and the<= /div>
*help* buffer remains present in the Buffers Menu Bar.
=
If I press the "Red Cross" on the *scratch* and *m= essages* buffers, the two buffers
get removed from the Buffers Me= nu Bar.
------=_NextPart_001_60cf63a5_1959_5e79577a-- From unknown Sun Jun 22 08:10:18 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#49139: Cannot delete *help* buffer Resent-From: Stephen Berman Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2021 21:56:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 49139 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: philip-agee@africamel.net Cc: 49139@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 49139-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B49139.16242261258302 (code B ref 49139); Sun, 20 Jun 2021 21:56:01 +0000 Received: (at 49139) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Jun 2021 21:55:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34967 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lv5PY-00029q-S2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Jun 2021 17:55:25 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.22]:45529) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lv5PW-00029Z-3f for 49139@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Jun 2021 17:55:23 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1624226114; bh=ZdZ8WH99jm3cn4oz3dpxvmvKG0MNffKhTyP1lad4xbw=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=I5hiZGYXR5VXaXMHNk9aUD4aVKFHbxIq/k3vrTkKFG1vXCnh69esXXkECqu0zxQh+ Kog4peg0G3H//dLvfqHuUx4IxCDZq4pvMs8TKkKT8fNuDydndtWjHbe5usZXFIx41N mPdPsWZm9jktpcsqWtBY6Kp1nSMRUtpsVWHErBzo= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from strobelfs ([188.109.144.144]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx105 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MG9kC-1m4vio2jls-00GYDu; Sun, 20 Jun 2021 23:55:14 +0200 From: Stephen Berman References: Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2021 23:55:13 +0200 In-Reply-To: (philip-agee@africamel.net's message of "Sun, 20 Jun 2021 17:49:57 +0200 (CEST)") Message-ID: <87a6nknqv2.fsf@rub.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:VCFoun2SvYSUqXFYEqOhIr3i4Fb316nO+AKGMBZXEXZn6DJxGSQ knzJ6V/1Uy2iXRiuOqel94SvIKAxGOnfsHc9PFd41C/cnlEOG56ynZGEYZRikJEZSP2sHYs ehzf9+tOfxxkLA6n/fodS0WBUAdBh3QVUYXVz3gPdrz9yChv4JoeyOHCKwmwOGlqeS5fZbx 9NORgXBcW5Mj58fl//KNw== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:hTdafD0tnXo=:+T+5ViG26t8o1Hz6gG/9wT EfYpB3S+PGHvRSCcONUwXVgHGiPuftJCx+xcT0p7N7Ym28wuRVdPbWS3cyXt4UJNTrpdPVSwM GbvgVsqoSHwUW3NiCbSj0hfpRbKsrA3ed//qmWY05QzvQqLaql+aFHNBDyaIv6t0OLQLpIwBx ucLnVH93jJNy0jqYbEbpR64zGgFuJpSkLJ/+7Sdb8L3HEvJsveEBQPiN9ZegnEnyyc8xFSMIc K8rzYj2rCjDQU9QTqMKefFoB2M+wylweWH889YNao78jjVCIgJNizI4ZSuInXKiMOfZyErrro mOVx4s54k0E9KIxOnQQA2LHS2eDtQUdHwJzYQ17eA9EoCVQLtc+n27KvHuS+6NdpeshfxGzFQ 8J0Y3Fa7uJdqKsTX5HX2+5UFd7uo+sSAowgKwadovczb5KWrg9juw0ESRK0PC27fh8/dmvrzp w3DqXYWtvL/AIejMzBeJvME/wQCyGuj4yfdGwXssr1BSymCad8BrvF1pspuBdUlUDN5m29REx D7wBF08Ipi580WhTQQOCOFYnPdlqYggvyC3lHu8kNhiYaq8GZDAeqIhfb7PxbmVCd9FyM0UVh 8eL8z+Gmu5V7D5JSow+r0jlbKMp9l2iuMxpwOh0PiqIZSLQANnMolbm4E0QzB0OzZc+bS3AB9 01GWq6SI1ewwhU14MaVw2rtS+q471RHFr+Hw5V3QJt15ZauHShV04SO/EzSGa1Gy3tsV08o5O 0YfrWiPq2hR5c27GU6yi1F3QIP3frwGZeZtIV3YaDShuZoslIzPX1bJ8d/8zwc1WkCG+LhrHt 8YMs8pV4iwE7wHFLzmL/Wn7bFcvUpxmfjnXt8pw4msOs7ZCYZY4xLcc2AX072jWhF2bknXA0G ACNGfeBNj9o4SM+ca+QgqM186acKn6dsy3ahYbecFIHiy4sg9shzZTUKiFbrMcGGvZgTQm0uP pjvHs/fUB+/s/nyKNYCLGMgfKs0OCGMA8sfLlcsDUd/s+0FR/sGKIYMzufgBlpFPYko1lYasq iHi/QAl7ECWlv2jLIVv9dwwP4muAOjIqoCj1wO0//5Gh1AAzL7FsT8tAOdoAJOSTs3PyNNfUe UfCMQAd0Lsg4zjP/m5TVFcK2YV7xz8hxsNg6hY2Ftj0yv9dVpPyT8qsvg== X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Sun, 20 Jun 2021 17:49:57 +0200 (CEST) philip-agee@africamel.net wrote: > When I use "C-h f myfunc" I get the docstring in the *help* buffer. I > can close the window with "C-x 1". > > But tring to close the *help* buffer does not work. I press on the > "Red Cross" and the *help* buffer remains present in the Buffers Menu > Bar. > > If I press the "Red Cross" on the *scratch* and *messages* buffers, > the two buffers get removed from the Buffers Menu Bar. This is a change in behavior from Emacs 27 due to this change: commit c85c8e7d42ae2a5fc95fa7b14257389d8383b34d Author: Stefan Kangas Commit: Stefan Kangas CommitDate: Sat Feb 20 06:43:03 2021 +0100 Add toolbar for help-mode Prior to this change, clicking the X icon in the tool bar when *Help* is the current buffer does kill the buffer, but since the change it just buries the buffer. This change should be called out in NEWS. Emacs does give indirect notification of this difference between clicking the X icon when *Help* is the current buffer and when a buffer such as *scratch* is current: if you hover the mouse pointer over the icon when *scratch* is current, you get a tooltip saying "Discard (kill) current buffer", while with *Help* current the tooltip says "Quit help (q)". And if you type `C-h k' with *Help* current and then click the X icon, the *Help* buffer now says " runs the command quit-window [...]" and further down explains how it is in fact possible to kill the *Help* buffer from the tool bar: type a prefix argument (C-u) and then click the icon. Steve Berman From unknown Sun Jun 22 08:10:18 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#49139: Cannot delete *help* buffer References: Resent-From: philip-agee@africamel.net Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2021 06:07:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 49139 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "Stephen Berman" Cc: 49139@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 49139-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B49139.162425562124752 (code B ref 49139); Mon, 21 Jun 2021 06:07:02 +0000 Received: (at 49139) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Jun 2021 06:07:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35169 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lvD5I-0006R1-6P for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Jun 2021 02:07:01 -0400 Received: from msg-1.mailo.com ([213.182.54.11]:41202) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lv7bG-0005fL-NE for 49139@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Jun 2021 20:15:40 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=africamel.net; s=mailo; t=1624234531; bh=XXRH8Ied9jh8OJZUpwz5RhC8Ui2Fkx79R+81faufhWc=; h=X-EA-Auth:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:MIME-Version:X-Mailer: Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=Di75eWrgEKmXeauffHSD2DQrSUsrHgthR7ts12WXquznYxjYonclGxkih+BU+You0 1XG0NqfmNGnHD2UF9VtXdLHqSm4kknYXZpaVRpfERBTlatNgj9G6IZ93928Mv6th6R 1oswoas7UDpGUxrLkovFzQDnrX+HlCI3+9Vc16mw= Received: by www-7.mailo.com with http webmail; Mon, 21 Jun 2021 02:15:31 +0200 (CEST) X-EA-Auth: tJC34OROPhM0D7P712XZJZGMeEOx1HTeqKN/rhqFt2GS59HXUpDY7pCPWei29Khlr3L2ettl+bm6x4miqiUJdhpJkzhuX5Ix From: philip-agee@africamel.net Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2021 02:15:31 +0200 (CEST) X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: COMS/EA21.01/r20210601 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <87a6nknqv2.fsf@rub.de> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_60cfda23_4b5_82906cc" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 21 Jun 2021 02:06:59 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) ------=_NextPart_001_60cfda23_4b5_82906cc Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Stephen Berman To: philip-agee@africamel.net Subject: Re: bug#49139: Cannot delete *help* buffer Date: 20/06/2021 23:55:13 Europe/Paris Cc: 49139@debbugs.gnu.org On Sun, 20 Jun 2021 17:49:57 +0200 (CEST) philip-agee@africamel.net wrote: > When I use "C-h f myfunc" I get the docstring in the *help* buffer. I > can close the window with "C-x 1". > > But tring to close the *help* buffer does not work. I press on the > "Red Cross" and the *help* buffer remains present in the Buffers Menu > Bar. > > If I press the "Red Cross" on the *scratch* and *messages* buffers, > the two buffers get removed from the Buffers Menu Bar. This is a change in behavior from Emacs 27 due to this change: commit c85c8e7d42ae2a5fc95fa7b14257389d8383b34d Author: Stefan Kangas Commit: Stefan Kangas CommitDate: Sat Feb 20 06:43:03 2021 +0100 Add toolbar for help-mode Prior to this change, clicking the X icon in the tool bar when *Help* is the current buffer does kill the buffer, but since the change it just buries the buffer. This change should be called out in NEWS. Emacs does give indirect notification of this difference between clicking the X icon when *Help* is the current buffer and when a buffer such as *scratch* is current: if you hover the mouse pointer over the icon when *scratch* is current, you get a tooltip saying "Discard (kill) current buffer",=20 * Correct, I get=C2=A0 "Discard (kill) current buffer" while with *Help* current the tooltip says "Quit help (q)".=20 * Also correct, I get "Quit help(q) " And if you type `C-h k' with *Help* current and then click the X icon, the *Help* buffer now says=20 " runs the command quit-window [...]"=20 * yes, it does say tho above and further down explains how it is in fact possible to kill the *Help* buffer from the tool bar: type a prefix argument (C-u) and then click the icon. * It gets very cryptic now because it says * "With prefix argument KILL non-nil, kill the buffer instead of * burying it." * After trying it, type a prefix argument (C-u) and then click the icon, * one is indeed able to kill the buffer. I use the help buffer to read documentation or to write some information= =20 temporarily.=C2=A0 Do we really need such complication (C-u) to kill the b= uffer when just clicking the icon is a standard way to kill it ?. Steve Berman ------=_NextPart_001_60cfda23_4b5_82906cc Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Stephen Berman <stephen.berman@gmx.net>
To: philip-agee@africamel.net
Subject: Re: bug#49139: Cannot delete *help* buffer
Date: 20/06/2021 23:55:13 Europe/Paris
Cc: 49139@debbugs.gnu.org

On Sun, 20 Jun 2021 17:49:57 +0200 (CEST) philip-agee@africamel.net wrote:=

> When I use "C-h f myfunc" I get the docstring in the *help*= buffer. I
> can close the window with "C-x 1".
>
> But tring to close the *help* buffer does not work. I press on the > "Red Cross" and the *help* buffer remains present in the Bu= ffers Menu
> Bar.
>
> If I press the "Red Cross" on the *scratch* and *messages* = buffers,
> the two buffers get removed from the Buffers Menu Bar.

This is a change in behavior from Emacs 27 due to this change:

commit c85c8e7d42ae2a5fc95fa7b14257389d8383b34d
Author: Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se>
Commit: Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se>
CommitDate: Sat Feb 20 06:43:03 2021 +0100

Add toolbar for help-mode

Prior to this change, clicking the X icon in the tool bar when *Help* is the current buffer does kill the buffer, but since the change it just
buries the buffer. This change should be called out in NEWS.

Emacs does give indirect notification of this difference between
clicking the X icon when *Help* is the current buffer and when a buffer such as *scratch* is current: if you hover the mouse pointer over the
icon when *scratch* is current, you get a tooltip saying "Discard (ki= ll)
current buffer",

* Correct, I get=C2=A0= "Discard (kill) current buffer"

while w= ith *Help* current the tooltip says "Quit help (q)".

* Also correct, I get "Quit help(q) "

And if you type `C-h k' with *Help* current and then click = the X
icon, the *Help* buffer now says

"<t= ool-bar> <quit> runs the command quit-window [...]"

* yes, it does say tho above

<= div>and further down explains how it is in fact possible
to kill the *Help* buffer from the tool bar: type a prefix argument
(C-u) and then click the icon.

* It gets very cryptic now because it says
<= br>
* "With prefix argument KILL non-nil, kill the buffer in= stead of
* burying it."

* After trying= it, type a prefix argument (C-u) and then click the icon,
* one = is indeed able to kill the buffer.

I use the help = buffer to read documentation or to write some information
te= mporarily.=C2=A0 Do we really need such complication (C-u) to kill the buff= er
when just clicking the icon is a standard way to kill it ?.

Steve Berman

------=_NextPart_001_60cfda23_4b5_82906cc-- From unknown Sun Jun 22 08:10:18 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#49139: Cannot delete *help* buffer Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2021 13:18:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 49139 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stephen Berman Cc: philip-agee@africamel.net, 49139@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 49139-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B49139.162428144413188 (code B ref 49139); Mon, 21 Jun 2021 13:18:02 +0000 Received: (at 49139) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Jun 2021 13:17:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35822 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lvJno-0003QR-Fo for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Jun 2021 09:17:24 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:52380) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lvJnn-0003Li-23 for 49139@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Jun 2021 09:17:23 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=a86YP6v/UYT2Ulp9MKJHxAavfDp0/2Ux9hrkUMkrcTI=; b=DWqVeYuVNQEJ+GJvriFG9ARB+V UJfWO3mTgCvN9o55/kkLTnvZT178yGjbbmE8s2eV5/HsoVueqYQvd/gz2w6OaWPv25JkjrN5FGQYe LBLjHbomlfh+bGgnjlpy4v5MSmhq0ZhpmzvqHlFivdcBpNVnVbzq5dGV64eL9OTkbk5I=; Received: from cm-84.212.220.105.getinternet.no ([84.212.220.105] helo=elva) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lvJne-0004SI-VD; Mon, 21 Jun 2021 15:17:17 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <87a6nknqv2.fsf@rub.de> X-Now-Playing: The Police's _Outlandos d'Amour_: "Born in the 50's" Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2021 15:17:14 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87a6nknqv2.fsf@rub.de> (Stephen Berman's message of "Sun, 20 Jun 2021 23:55:13 +0200") Message-ID: <87eecvs6g5.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Stephen Berman writes: > Prior to this change, clicking the X icon in the tool bar when *Help* is > the current buffer does kill the buffer, but since the change it just > buries the buffer. This change should be called out [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Stephen Berman writes: > Prior to this change, clicking the X icon in the tool bar when *Help* is > the current buffer does kill the buffer, but since the change it just > buries the buffer. This change should be called out in NEWS. Makes sense; now done. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From unknown Sun Jun 22 08:10:18 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#49139: Cannot delete *help* buffer Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2021 13:20:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 49139 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: philip-agee@africamel.net Cc: Stephen Berman , 49139@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 49139-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B49139.162428155214677 (code B ref 49139); Mon, 21 Jun 2021 13:20:01 +0000 Received: (at 49139) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Jun 2021 13:19:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35826 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lvJpX-0003oe-V5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Jun 2021 09:19:12 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:52400) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lvJpV-0003oP-Vt for 49139@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Jun 2021 09:19:10 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=SbmC4c/uXw2t4R70zMXnmyqhKdqwc/51LX/50dyV6ZI=; b=FUeXmMJ3RnKaTv2tm69q2FdaFv Uau9fHlItrTq/VN7P2kIECUi/Mx5YMqTO+CfyUPtYCPylCRt23Id9vPWSxeTVPHSp2qo/k9xYSJyw Y9DSHm44OIVy9ZW0OGBl3DcPl+5K59I1JLJIMwVHI1eBSBymFOjebr3Px+20dXvDkXSA=; Received: from cm-84.212.220.105.getinternet.no ([84.212.220.105] helo=elva) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lvJpN-0004TO-OX; Mon, 21 Jun 2021 15:19:04 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: X-Now-Playing: The Police's _Outlandos d'Amour_: "Born in the 50's" Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2021 15:19:01 +0200 In-Reply-To: (philip-agee@africamel.net's message of "Mon, 21 Jun 2021 02:15:31 +0200 (CEST)") Message-ID: <87a6njs6d6.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: philip-agee@africamel.net writes: > I use the help buffer to read documentation or to write some information > temporarily. Do we really need such complication (C-u) to kill the buffer > when just clicking the icon is a standard way t [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) philip-agee@africamel.net writes: > I use the help buffer to read documentation or to write some information > temporarily. Do we really need such complication (C-u) to kill the buffer > when just clicking the icon is a standard way to kill it ?. The standard for these buffers in Emacs is to bury them, not killing them. This has been somewhat inconsistently applied in the past and the `q' (and related commands) have sometimes killed the buffers instead, but we're moving more to burying. 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Content preview: close 49139 28.1 quit Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) close 49139 28.1 quit From unknown Sun Jun 22 08:10:18 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#49139: Cannot delete *help* buffer References: Resent-From: philip-agee@africamel.net Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2021 14:23:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 49139 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "Lars Ingebrigtsen" Cc: Stephen Berman , 49139@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 49139-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B49139.162428536230863 (code B ref 49139); Mon, 21 Jun 2021 14:23:03 +0000 Received: (at 49139) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Jun 2021 14:22:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36764 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lvKoz-00081j-KS for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Jun 2021 10:22:42 -0400 Received: from ip-8.mailobj.net ([213.182.54.8]:52820 helo=msg-3.mailo.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lvKXF-0007Sg-Rd for 49139@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Jun 2021 10:04:24 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=africamel.net; s=mailo; t=1624284249; bh=IbuJpda2mfojU0QfyPvIKkRx5ukLQd3/PzXWOdoiQC8=; h=X-EA-Auth:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:MIME-Version:X-Mailer: Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=sqTW0KjLnVtHFc9hicaRPnT/a3jmQWLr6oY6BDcNa6bdouanjDjxmhBdtzWESbOWC nE3bi1g8fVPLnAnfjOUZ2nJW1XJTamu/NmGKfzbJWAbvZNTfmRrV+xFKpyzsRZiKVi a5hR5s2c3XfVj1asrUnsr8+uIzHoxmLpUdR9jM6E= Received: by www-7.mailo.com with http webmail; Mon, 21 Jun 2021 16:04:09 +0200 (CEST) X-EA-Auth: kG39/laQka7kC+g6qchtX+ZGjcJaQ3bl6efBMCqCLd3o4J4zW4ulzAGJca39z4atNRs3irSjHaxV4HdDDq8lYSXegb1Gucxu From: philip-agee@africamel.net Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2021 16:04:09 +0200 (CEST) X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: COMS/EA21.01/r20210601 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <87a6njs6d6.fsf@gnus.org> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_60d09c59_6afa_5bb5653c" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 21 Jun 2021 10:22:40 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) ------=_NextPart_001_60d09c59_6afa_5bb5653c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What are the buffers to be hidden ? Could emacs use a different icon than "= Red Cross" to show that it hides the buffer instead of killing it.=C2=A0 Can you incl= ude information on how to actually kill it in the icon tooltip "Preceed by C-u to kill buf= fer". From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: philip-agee@africamel.net Subject: bug#49139: Cannot delete *help* buffer Date: 21/06/2021 15:19:01 Europe/Paris Cc: Stephen Berman ; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A049139@debbugs.gnu.org philip-agee@africamel.net writes: > I use the help buffer to read documentation or to write some information= =20 > temporarily. Do we really need such complication (C-u) to kill the buffe= r > when just clicking the icon is a standard way to kill it ?. The standard for these buffers in Emacs is to bury them, not killing them. This has been somewhat inconsistently applied in the past and the `q' (and related commands) have sometimes killed the buffers instead, but we're moving more to burying. Closing. --=20 (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no ------=_NextPart_001_60d09c59_6afa_5bb5653c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
What are the buffers to be hidden ? Could emacs use a different icon t= han "Red Cross"
to show that it hides the buffer instea= d of killing it.=C2=A0 Can you include information
on how to actu= ally kill it in the icon tooltip "Preceed by C-u to kill buffer".=


From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <lars= i@gnus.org>
To: philip-agee@africamel.net
Subject: bug#49139: Cannot delete *help* buffer
Date: 21/06/2021 15:19:01 Europe/Paris
Cc: Stephen Berman <stephen.berman@gmx.net>;
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A049139@debbugs.gnu.org

philip-agee@africamel.net writes:

> I use the help buffer to read documentation or to write some informat= ion
> temporarily. Do we really need such complication (C-u) to kill the b= uffer
> when just clicking the icon is a standard way to kill it ?.

The standard for these buffers in Emacs is to bury them, not killing
them. This has been somewhat inconsistently applied in the past and the `q' (and related commands) have sometimes killed the buffers instead,
but we're moving more to burying.

Closing.

--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no



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