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In *scratch*, type and then eval this: (setq a 42). 3. C-h v a You get this ephemeral message (check *Messages*): Ref found in non-versioned section in "NEWS.22" And *Help* is displayed with this: a's value is 42 Probably introduced at or before Emacs version 1.1. Documentation: Not documented as a variable. An Easter egg, of sorts. And Emacs version 1.1! What's the prize for finding this begg? In GNU Emacs 27.2 (build 1, x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2021-03-26 built on CIRROCUMULUS Repository revision: deef5efafb70f4b171265b896505b92b6eef24e6 Repository branch: HEAD Windowing system distributor 'Microsoft Corp.', version 10.0.19041 System Description: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro (v10.0.2004.19041.985) Recent messages: For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. Making completion list... Quit [2 times] 42 (#o52, #x2a, ?*) Ref found in non-versioned section in "NEWS.22" Type C-x 1 to delete the help window. scroll-up-command: End of buffer Configured using: 'configure --without-dbus --host=3Dx86_64-w64-mingw32 --without-compress-install 'CFLAGS=3D-O2 -static'' Configured features: XPM JPEG TIFF GIF PNG RSVG SOUND NOTIFY W32NOTIFY ACL GNUTLS LIBXML2 HARFBUZZ ZLIB TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS MODULES THREADS JSON PDUMPER LCMS2 GMP Important settings: value of $LANG: ENU locale-coding-system: cp1252 Major mode: Messages Minor modes in effect: tooltip-mode: t global-eldoc-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t buffer-read-only: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Load-path shadows: None found. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Drew Adams writes: > 3. C-h v a > > You get this ephemeral message (check *Messages*): > > Ref found in non-versioned section in "NEWS.22" Yes, perhaps that message isn't interesting for this command and should be removed? Stefan? Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Drew Adams writes: > 3. C-h v a > > You get this ephemeral message (check *Messages*): > > Ref found in non-versioned section in "NEWS.22" Yes, perhaps that message isn't interesting for this command and should be removed? Stefan? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From unknown Tue Jun 17 20:39:09 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#49062: 27.2; "Ref found in non-versioned section in "NEWS.22" Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2021 17:31:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 49062 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: 49062@debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams Received: via spool by 49062-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B49062.162412385411933 (code B ref 49062); Sat, 19 Jun 2021 17:31:02 +0000 Received: (at 49062) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Jun 2021 17:30:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60684 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lueo1-00036O-Qk for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Jun 2021 13:30:53 -0400 Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:56044) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lueo0-00036B-L5 for 49062@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Jun 2021 13:30:52 -0400 Received: from pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 193D0440A27; Sat, 19 Jun 2021 13:30:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id A2D25440865; Sat, 19 Jun 2021 13:30:45 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1624123845; bh=nZtje1VaZG319NsupyIq8PEdaIQdKZLB6IyATLZg7TQ=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=UuFe02jFhwto74KxL4flfQmG5a96imucn4tXgDUG8AQvlCnZD7dVwfNKxbiC6iXOI 9ZKN2P0JHvzyg9m26pY7j6iV3iFXk5Pvyq0yQTot+ykeSciDSZccXeG0IQrYTbLfQN qqGxENeCHGzx+2vnTDb8Rgjuu09dflGMtlrYuivlb+GDAyMIijG9Yz8ruYyE4DzC5q kXG+aus/Eq+fBHDcmGT+9hQWFF5eAQe9cNn3T/8JGJi7LUdu4IbOK7ftV4e8n2Lh7Z Y4faGt++ibZFuTkK//No7c9nPoKTIpqIZkiIMX7Oc8gLGrUJsjhtSsvvNjFJvxEXWM /2u8g+TAZLvug== Received: from alfajor (69-196-163-239.dsl.teksavvy.com [69.196.163.239]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6B63C1207B2; Sat, 19 Jun 2021 13:30:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier Message-ID: References: <87sg1evuta.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2021 13:30:44 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87sg1evuta.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sat, 19 Jun 2021 15:38:09 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-SPAM-INFO: Spam detection results: 0 ALL_TRUSTED -1 Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP AWL -0.030 Adjusted score from AWL reputation of From: address BAYES_00 -1.9 Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% DKIM_SIGNED 0.1 Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid DKIM_VALID -0.1 Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature DKIM_VALID_AU -0.1 Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain X-SPAM-LEVEL: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Lars Ingebrigtsen [2021-06-19 15:38:09] wrote: > Drew Adams writes: >> 3. C-h v a >> >> You get this ephemeral message (check *Messages*): >> >> Ref found in non-versioned section in "NEWS.22" I don't see this here. I assume there was a RET at the end of `C-h v a`, but hitting RET there just pops up the *Completions* display. > Yes, perhaps that message isn't interesting for this command and should > be removed? Stefan? The message is meant to help us fix the NEWS* files so that the code that searches them gives relevant answers. IOW it's supposed to point out a (minor) "bug". Stefan From unknown Tue Jun 17 20:39:09 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#49062: 27.2; "Ref found in non-versioned section in "NEWS.22" Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2021 12:14:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 49062 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stefan Monnier Cc: 49062@debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams Received: via spool by 49062-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B49062.16242776405777 (code B ref 49062); Mon, 21 Jun 2021 12:14:02 +0000 Received: (at 49062) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Jun 2021 12:14:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35698 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lvIoS-0001V7-6F for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Jun 2021 08:14:00 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:51684) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lvIoQ-0001Us-Sn for 49062@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 21 Jun 2021 08:13:59 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=TD4bgsr0dO1vd/AZXU1dKeiwxnXKBHoAtaxNQnJX/2g=; b=EYXZwd+lHyNp4aU7ZXFhjFSOIy VDyr3y0hKTQf/QN6p94frjxbQMJL3Xa0YR8gJTeyl94pyr0kKT5usprYlvG00BQoP/17xx48512Vl tnITcS0ebr10nAhJP99ZkL8Sv9S1Ox5a3yL6uQoqkHBuAy5QgUXsAiDE+ZbJKjRywLhk=; Received: from cm-84.212.220.105.getinternet.no ([84.212.220.105] helo=elva) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lvIoH-0003cA-Py; Mon, 21 Jun 2021 14:13:52 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <87sg1evuta.fsf@gnus.org> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwAgMAAAAqbBEUAAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAADFBMVEUuJTd0VoDEx+L/ //+imcAGAAAAAWJLR0QDEQxM8gAAAAd0SU1FB+UGFQwKOlcjusAAAAFcSURBVCjPfZC/asJQFMa/ E6LQTinkSs3UxcE+xbVoh04RPFKdKrTQ+hR26K4QHZwcUoh5yn7nRsWpJ4R7f/d85y+c3mC4mNZm gHtF+vGzbCB9QNzbzAK4YY5Rfxx0UPWQbDHSBkA4eJ2eAC8HJtItdBKAYj7r3BNKwsQhv6enXc23 Ss8gD9DRmc6hnwblIz3M9i6ekNWFO0LfCFHVrvW4RL3GClEZ7Xc14QB6Stl/s4N9yQSosNwRjhWL SoW+9VZ/8R4V6GWEoIo2SXoFmZ+foH5adTs23Npg453NzYoxugVHWwbAUBRunDVApXeTrFbIWNdU tkY2Pksa2AeugZDw0gpAWSJ5ElRqyxIf2y5i9+vDo8WIKt8EjckVpI4hsTTSZOz9BUJgLDnOUUjP ntZdi0WfQxsCifnfFql1KjnDRXwaZD6BRThLNJDcwp3V5RmgfcoXjmiFi8X41/4AnMZxyJcWb5kA AAAldEVYdGRhdGU6Y3JlYXRlADIwMjEtMDYtMjFUMTI6MTA6NTgrMDA6MDC77sOJAAAAJXRFWHRk YXRlOm1vZGlmeQAyMDIxLTA2LTIxVDEyOjEwOjU4KzAwOjAwyrN7NQAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Now-Playing: Yes's _Tormato_: "Abilene (UK Don't Kill The Whale (Single 1978))" Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2021 14:13:49 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Sat, 19 Jun 2021 13:30:44 -0400") Message-ID: <87pmwftnya.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Stefan Monnier writes: > Lars Ingebrigtsen [2021-06-19 15:38:09] wrote: >> Drew Adams writes: >>> 3. C-h v a >>> >>> You get this ephemeral message (check *Messages*): >>> >>> Ref found in non-versio [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Stefan Monnier writes: > Lars Ingebrigtsen [2021-06-19 15:38:09] wrote: >> Drew Adams writes: >>> 3. C-h v a >>> >>> You get this ephemeral message (check *Messages*): >>> >>> Ref found in non-versioned section in "NEWS.22" > > I don't see this here. I assume there was a RET at the end of `C-h > v a`, but hitting RET there just pops up the *Completions* display. Ah, I didn't include the entire test case -- we defined a command called `a' first. >> Yes, perhaps that message isn't interesting for this command and should >> be removed? Stefan? > > The message is meant to help us fix the NEWS* files so that the code > that searches them gives relevant answers. IOW it's supposed to point > out a (minor) "bug". For very short commands, it's probably not a useful warning, though? Perhaps... we could disable the warning if there's no hyphen in the symbol we're searching for? Or... something else. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From unknown Tue Jun 17 20:39:09 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#49062: 27.2; "Ref found in non-versioned section in "NEWS.22" Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2022 11:53:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 49062 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stefan Monnier Cc: 49062@debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams Received: via spool by 49062-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B49062.165797236525449 (code B ref 49062); Sat, 16 Jul 2022 11:53:01 +0000 Received: (at 49062) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Jul 2022 11:52:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43093 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oCgLl-0006cN-AF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jul 2022 07:52:45 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:56820) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oCgLi-0006c0-Ez for 49062@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jul 2022 07:52:44 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=gpgisPMiCHO8Xy9mLRQRoWRDAhqUhGQQ9REHzyHn4r4=; b=huOnwr5sVEyYsD0rNHP8lY6/9x E3DyMPLEC/pNWxR+Jx+cATGWl81C9KTk9Om4j/CICSbs47wAiDX/PWj2yyLuvnWpmoBwOgCglHyFh cvoYSJxQnt3jj5Cen2YPcocWefLvo/wSLjmH2j+6qJUQtBK2xtFKG/CpsIVXsA2tI9F8=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=joga) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oCgLW-0001hK-FP; Sat, 16 Jul 2022 13:52:32 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen In-Reply-To: <87pmwftnya.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Mon, 21 Jun 2021 14:13:49 +0200") References: <87sg1evuta.fsf@gnus.org> <87pmwftnya.fsf@gnus.org> X-Now-Playing: Xeno & Oaklander's _Sets & Lights_: "Open Walls" Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2022 13:52:29 +0200 Message-ID: <8735f1s29u.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > For very short commands, it's probably not a useful warning, though? > Perhaps... we could disable the warning if there's no hyphen in the > symbol we're searching for? Or... something else. Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > For very short commands, it's probably not a useful warning, though? > Perhaps... we could disable the warning if there's no hyphen in the > symbol we're searching for? Or... something else. I've now done this in Emacs 29. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jul 16 07:52:45 2022 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Jul 2022 11:52:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43095 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oCgLl-0006cQ-I6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jul 2022 07:52:45 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:56826) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oCgLj-0006c4-Dh for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jul 2022 07:52:44 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Subject:From:To:Message-Id:Date:Sender:Reply-To:Cc: MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=Eo1HlT9BopGljBaBtouvON14ft/D93/XAbnw5eaEkD8=; b=C3LY6z0RPrxz5JW6DdwHbwLLQR R9QCiYzJ5Y+AzA+VmDKbw4XQMxh4z8pG7HbBgHxHAXqQvlpmgdJCz05KsSVjyQUeioiIO9aIjv3IL fx3e+hHtL2Cs5H6uU1SwaP8dkOtI0jG73IKvD3q4K6rHG/tpTFAHOO5dwHgY+dZH2lkE=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=joga) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oCgLb-0001hQ-Em for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jul 2022 13:52:37 +0200 Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2022 13:52:34 +0200 Message-Id: <871quls29p.fsf@gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #49062 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: close 49062 29.1 quit Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) close 49062 29.1 quit From unknown Tue Jun 17 20:39:09 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#49062: 27.2; "Ref found in non-versioned section in "NEWS.22" Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2022 14:09:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 49062 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: 49062@debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams Received: via spool by 49062-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B49062.165798051925868 (code B ref 49062); Sat, 16 Jul 2022 14:09:02 +0000 Received: (at 49062) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Jul 2022 14:08:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45641 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oCiTH-0006jA-AG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jul 2022 10:08:39 -0400 Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:6838) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oCiTC-0006is-J0 for 49062@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jul 2022 10:08:38 -0400 Received: from pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id B92A180677; Sat, 16 Jul 2022 10:08:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 5AC2680066; Sat, 16 Jul 2022 10:08:27 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1657980507; bh=w7y5taKqpqHnxaIjRzaEE2apdaaAvFFXLVLUX9Us97s=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=l8ZPAAecWRyZWgeztBhiDMh3L7ef6SJe2WzSQiTHQ6jb1W3lqHZ/BDVxKyeiE2mVw EnajKlEUzrADdn6EiSjYwZqfJiR2BH3gqBrPJM3vS0V3ZTlCNDn/P11+wgIPTTgh1y URZUu8zZ3AsbqbXcu6dii0jryE1ydqx3t3KgFXTWMmPL+KPVyH7s4DHuwASG+JWR5w dd6zhzq9Ezjh9uKpOVxXK0Y6SaBl135XeocH/H9vviDtT1vm7UONtisx60fdm8XkTr ElJO25ixcysemfzUo75m6HbLuWx/P2IS8faMrZhszPJbUEAaxFjDCQ3uRfPh8d3MHi iH7dLeTMe8HHw== Received: from pastel (unknown [45.72.196.165]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 27FF51203CD; Sat, 16 Jul 2022 10:08:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier In-Reply-To: <87pmwftnya.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Mon, 21 Jun 2021 14:13:49 +0200") Message-ID: References: <87sg1evuta.fsf@gnus.org> <87pmwftnya.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2022 10:08:26 -0400 User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-SPAM-INFO: Spam detection results: 0 ALL_TRUSTED -1 Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP AWL -0.060 Adjusted score from AWL reputation of From: address BAYES_00 -1.9 Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% DKIM_SIGNED 0.1 Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid DKIM_VALID -0.1 Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature DKIM_VALID_AU -0.1 Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain X-SPAM-LEVEL: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > For very short commands, it's probably not a useful warning, though? > Perhaps... we could disable the warning if there's no hyphen in the > symbol we're searching for? Or... something else. FWIW, I think this hack I added to search the etc/NEWS* files has now grown to deserve better treatment: we should restrict its search to things that are properly surrounded by quotes, and (to make it work) adjust the etc/NEWS* files accordingly. Stefan From unknown Tue Jun 17 20:39:09 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#49062: 27.2; "Ref found in non-versioned section in "NEWS.22" Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2022 15:09:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 49062 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stefan Monnier Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 49062@debbugs.gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com Received: via spool by 49062-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B49062.16579841267819 (code B ref 49062); Sat, 16 Jul 2022 15:09:02 +0000 Received: (at 49062) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Jul 2022 15:08:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45762 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oCjPR-000223-Q8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jul 2022 11:08:46 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:46500) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oCjPP-00021q-Sc for 49062@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jul 2022 11:08:44 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:59348) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oCjPJ-0002uG-Bp; Sat, 16 Jul 2022 11:08:37 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=4aYIDkeJWq+Kxz2PfYKLk+bgEo7cXkNIz2SMGvodl4Q=; b=FX9gLfexJ091 6PEdehCP27rJl8D5h4xd/ky7OGUDArKwnNMducLW1Gx6dGsamvmwrYIpSDzj/gRpRqzh27sh0zo0c PvYi5TQMsuEDCaLWNSm1ga2+IsuX7rRgGLfjoareppJtsom8+GJbRmC7iUTL1jgugLbrsyEIn7oXc cz8rids8ksganSARLMkoV25txuX4pwgX1eOyHArS8vfU/awIK01BcOja+9IDAcMEXY1FdWi71RZdR j3IXNisKp+ggai5FcRgPm7vOrC5k0WSsSXZy06W2qiC589LrtNKLBY1SiCmct51he4rcwKq42EkQP Zil6MAC/kNjSNBoiBepaTg==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=4058 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oCjPI-0004mG-ST; Sat, 16 Jul 2022 11:08:37 -0400 Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2022 18:08:24 +0300 Message-Id: <83k08dqemv.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: (bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org) References: <87sg1evuta.fsf@gnus.org> <87pmwftnya.fsf@gnus.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Cc: 49062@debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams > Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2022 10:08:26 -0400 > From: Stefan Monnier via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, > the Swiss army knife of text editors" > > > For very short commands, it's probably not a useful warning, though? > > Perhaps... we could disable the warning if there's no hyphen in the > > symbol we're searching for? Or... something else. > > FWIW, I think this hack I added to search the etc/NEWS* files has now > grown to deserve better treatment: we should restrict its search to > things that are properly surrounded by quotes, and (to make it work) > adjust the etc/NEWS* files accordingly. Or maybe, before we keep investing more and more energy and time into this, just remove all that code, and let people search NEWS manually, if they want? We have so little resources -- so why waste them on mini-features whose importance is at best secondary, and which continue drawing more and more energy, way beyond their usefulness? We should instead work on important features -- like better integration of tree-sitter, for example. From unknown Tue Jun 17 20:39:09 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#49062: 27.2; "Ref found in non-versioned section in "NEWS.22" Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2022 16:04:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 49062 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 49062@debbugs.gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com Received: via spool by 49062-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B49062.165798743913381 (code B ref 49062); Sat, 16 Jul 2022 16:04:01 +0000 Received: (at 49062) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Jul 2022 16:03:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45787 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oCkGt-0003Tl-4f for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jul 2022 12:03:59 -0400 Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:32179) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oCkGq-0003TU-Sx for 49062@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jul 2022 12:03:57 -0400 Received: from pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 3419280355; Sat, 16 Jul 2022 12:03:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id E3BF88025F; Sat, 16 Jul 2022 12:03:49 -0400 (EDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1657987429; bh=7MuPGqA3/QNjAa1lGm2UfUuc4/rBNlGjSHI4zmp1Yb4=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=OC9btoEDhIYmdKgVmrarCj7H1CFZjADAE7vpdvhi/KgxXlEHRfs8EOauOVL2QdZ1F Yf6ozBmr8zhuVhymREqf1LjFJPnMPwEMt24EnmbnY9uyKkAwcsaqAbAJxz7sE9RGNJ ISdjhkU+lCo9Ej87gW6Sg+JLlmCic62+QXMsxGWSG2I0QvM2rZbHvOBFw/xo78+WwU MzhDKpvlWJycZO0fl6r7FbGfZpYqxdBQ0NGD9O9Sqek67uRq/8Hzn3iDt5Hd+/k3XG Y1zLmz0rHN8zz7i/nv4o18hrruBiltsR8h2MiqK/kXkoL8W5FcTPvoDrYOOhTzVd0t eyOUY8e4VROPA== Received: from pastel (unknown [45.72.196.165]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AE75012022C; Sat, 16 Jul 2022 12:03:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier In-Reply-To: <83k08dqemv.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 16 Jul 2022 18:08:24 +0300") Message-ID: References: <87sg1evuta.fsf@gnus.org> <87pmwftnya.fsf@gnus.org> <83k08dqemv.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2022 12:03:48 -0400 User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-SPAM-INFO: Spam detection results: 0 ALL_TRUSTED -1 Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP AWL -0.060 Adjusted score from AWL reputation of From: address BAYES_00 -1.9 Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% DKIM_SIGNED 0.1 Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid DKIM_VALID -0.1 Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature DKIM_VALID_AU -0.1 Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain X-SPAM-LEVEL: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Or maybe, before we keep investing more and more energy and time into > this, just remove all that code, and let people search NEWS manually, > if they want? > > We have so little resources -- so why waste them on mini-features > whose importance is at best secondary, and which continue drawing more > and more energy, way beyond their usefulness? We should instead work > on important features -- like better integration of tree-sitter, for > example. Either way works for me: I wrote the code for my own personal use and will be happy to keep it personal again. I only installed it because other people mentioned interest. From unknown Tue Jun 17 20:39:09 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#49062: 27.2; "Ref found in non-versioned section in "NEWS.22" Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2022 16:09:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 49062 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stefan Monnier Cc: 49062@debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams Received: via spool by 49062-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B49062.165798773813995 (code B ref 49062); Sat, 16 Jul 2022 16:09:01 +0000 Received: (at 49062) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Jul 2022 16:08:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45822 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oCkLi-0003df-5F for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jul 2022 12:08:58 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:59148) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oCkLg-0003dH-AW for 49062@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jul 2022 12:08:56 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=dB2ko0zrFgoswoqNgzhs1RYDUWbgw884NXOWRshJICI=; b=KYY3ba44JfMw/u6cnU9kzFN6aU lO4hu8Smwd1LYSn1Pem5w5xZyNmrJh3zXDLK14QJhIeZEnrW7a80X+jzNHOPDvPmxsOMFlG1wibku PWL+VK+jHi0jwow1fGdLTY4B3/26y2qZ7vMLeFBCkr7O7Lb4wvkEeqtQkz3CUZZsO9FY=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=joga) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oCkLU-0003xU-FX; Sat, 16 Jul 2022 18:08:46 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Sat, 16 Jul 2022 10:08:26 -0400") References: <87sg1evuta.fsf@gnus.org> <87pmwftnya.fsf@gnus.org> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAD1BMVEWDgnN1empqjFLA 7Rb////ehX7aAAAAAWJLR0QEj2jZUQAAAAd0SU1FB+YHEA0AJ0Mi/4gAAAFRSURBVDjLbZRdAoQg CITBLgB1AbMLbHn/u+2AP6VFD7V8zihQS9RiTQhpv7jnQ/KIM+BUQyawNpAmgEy+Hmbc80dGXF3C 9/rcSLxBqIJKbuAC3JUoVwl3QTsFJLsDKYJeKBUvhtxq/t0geJFcniLRUxKLVZpAsE24dIlolDTP OIKQWvteIJrVywkpA/ISOEAbhiLqcCIrDnWcMwjR6z7oAzBApk+rcGThCSRRdkBfYM0vwEnEAZ4H FhJ3MDXRxwQwbX7tpniDLUVVVD5bccahChh7JTmxg2UCC7YwoFv+yeB07epAxgrhpAXAi2+iSxEA ELxwL8tZq8Cs6OGlUrZ2K9nyaTUKLl6qAECVbSTqC+WSB5A1n1rAWo0KUMV4PcF7TWNQfvNXH3Ne tQfOgR6LfeYQ7iOwj6/8AfATqE2DYZR8f1ax1hroE2dT2+U2+h38ByfsNg5w+tFQAAAAJXRFWHRk YXRlOmNyZWF0ZQAyMDIyLTA3LTE2VDEzOjAwOjM5KzAwOjAwhxdJFgAAACV0RVh0ZGF0ZTptb2Rp ZnkAMjAyMi0wNy0xNlQxMzowMDozOSswMDowMPZK8aoAAAAASUVORK5CYII= X-Now-Playing: Autechre's _Plus_: "X4" Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2022 18:08:39 +0200 Message-ID: <875yjxoxa0.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Stefan Monnier writes: > FWIW, I think this hack I added to search the etc/NEWS* files has now > grown to deserve better treatment: we should restrict its search to > things that are properly surrounded by quotes, and (to m [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Stefan Monnier writes: > FWIW, I think this hack I added to search the etc/NEWS* files has now > grown to deserve better treatment: we should restrict its search to > things that are properly surrounded by quotes, and (to make it work) > adjust the etc/NEWS* files accordingly. Yes, if somebody volunteers to go over the old NEWS files to tag them up (with quotes), then I'm all for restricting the searches. (And perhaps also restrict the searches to headings?) These days we do always say 'foo', so this wouldn't be an additional maintenance burden going forward, but somebody has to invest time in doing this one time task. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From unknown Tue Jun 17 20:39:09 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#49062: 27.2; "Ref found in non-versioned section in "NEWS.22" Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2022 16:46:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 49062 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii , Stefan Monnier Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 49062@debbugs.gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com Received: via spool by 49062-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B49062.16579899152143 (code B ref 49062); Sat, 16 Jul 2022 16:46:02 +0000 Received: (at 49062) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Jul 2022 16:45:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45983 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oCkuo-0000YU-RR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jul 2022 12:45:15 -0400 Received: from mail-pf1-f181.google.com ([209.85.210.181]:40589) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oCkuk-0000Y8-E5 for 49062@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jul 2022 12:45:13 -0400 Received: by mail-pf1-f181.google.com with SMTP id y141so7169145pfb.7 for <49062@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 16 Jul 2022 09:45:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=OIIB7l+ihsKlzwbfd8RZxnQVvo3bLm+HvCdQLKdWsqA=; b=jtSWlUwn67m37Tvafgpy/S6iY9ZRnDPvnPk8VMF3X924KjzlYLRp7yJBhMqp7ifI46 3OmM5NiRtXRdZu/RTXzbM11tjejaljbbZWO2uFXfjrg1CzHAXQL/ydyHfAVFcYoxFUxX T23zsO+qJP9MFi9Xx18LEWBLT95ClRKQQuaaEblVxdjG5V68Lko9GeE+JaCI28vhLo+l j4w/l6er5LjGQim0FrVvjJX0DNOU9vhqgQk1GBYR8vjcbVNyiWky5l6gPTxviL4UkmG9 o5iGc4NQf//DfQixR6MF431MhaCkaqeGM3mX16i1rJZzWW6eLe6qrpVM84EgmBXQwfUR Fo/g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=OIIB7l+ihsKlzwbfd8RZxnQVvo3bLm+HvCdQLKdWsqA=; b=Rqc7y1WpDIHabgl1g0FAL/SgdrFLC3oymNPxIJ50jgqO2+0CnCs34MSQ3pA0dNFDGS oF6X6IX6GkGxfU2egTj66MsnYDH/QlOuDE1dTDPvY2Tpu0WJbLVmGxC1Tjgu5F7AiWHW 6w/jfEwG2sksSr+33kHto0Idxad0OIYxNDkN/oMVTofrS+dCahs6tbv3tnwDBJlYe/yE /8nmkTOLk0EKaMP98owrsN0INzCldJMn71kWytq1e3wBS/pS2ty8AaF4VLjEXz0KQxdY 2Rp424XvyPi9DBuJ6cafQtzug5kGTmyNW7Egs1KND8wlnQ7KQzJJ5WN4nSZSqhQUL3ds v4UA== X-Gm-Message-State: AJIora9VCjDnqyhza4nic63Z3W8pe3cpBj6BRVLxSZV5zqkXoxa26qpY 24Ez8q0zZOCMgIlVFolf0XCpmbcYBl9TjvHsfsQ= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGRyM1sTvA5/i8kINtZ1GD1AvdYgc+KVfD/S6EJhOvWCmDs150vC6BRQdvw5rvQIQTY0aQw3qQi9uNdz8y4QTMEALeQ= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6a00:b4d:b0:52a:f2cf:b0e4 with SMTP id p13-20020a056a000b4d00b0052af2cfb0e4mr20129951pfo.2.1657989904439; Sat, 16 Jul 2022 09:45:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Sat, 16 Jul 2022 09:45:03 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <83k08dqemv.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87sg1evuta.fsf@gnus.org> <87pmwftnya.fsf@gnus.org> <83k08dqemv.fsf@gnu.org> X-Hashcash: 1:21:220716:monnier@iro.umontreal.ca::9YE4gW7nKK07Pohq:Aw1x MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2022 09:45:03 -0700 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: > Or maybe, before we keep investing more and more energy and time into > this, just remove all that code, and let people search NEWS manually, > if they want? FWIW, I find this feature useful, so I hope that we will not remove it. It's quite a time saver to not have to go scour NEWS every time. > We have so little resources -- so why waste them on mini-features > whose importance is at best secondary, and which continue drawing more > and more energy, way beyond their usefulness? (I'm still in favour of obsoleting cdl.el, to discourage anyone from wasting time on that.)