From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jun 15 10:12:56 2021 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jun 2021 14:12:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50373 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lt9oF-0005Bm-Lb for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 10:12:55 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:55268) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lt9Jr-00080T-P2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 09:41:32 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60072) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lt9Jr-000061-Fy for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 09:41:31 -0400 Received: from msg-2.mailo.com ([213.182.54.12]:59050) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lt9Jo-0003wK-5I for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 09:41:31 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=francemel.fr; s=mailo; t=1623764485; bh=Z+KZ3+bpqPRy+x6hSXAR6K13Ni0NuEBQfsXzMH9s86I=; h=X-EA-Auth:From:To:Date:Subject:MIME-Version:X-Mailer:Message-ID: Content-Type; b=joHlJV3Pbd4cnhGbcztBKS/QOxYF4qh2+3C2AYBxB2IIkazJ1nNHs9qBVpJqmDHd4 lUMygNXXxTEWQeVzZK/Jyjx8PooFJrtjcvYQDfhR0Os3notShTe4mzY4gsvIC5JOk0 fcU0bNsrSEAH8f4ICbklQ8rUql+mFEGeizvKiiDo= Received: by www-7.mailo.com with http webmail; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 15:41:24 +0200 (CEST) X-EA-Auth: K0wzf1SP/J8WzfH9EnoQrKXGsR3aJP7/Aq5eDg3KzfCdfSYnq+qnXbb1E2rdE7hyYlrRWugwkI8QczBZEo42iaU0eFVYjnDQ From: henri-biard@francemel.fr To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 15:41:24 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Aspell in Emacs X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: COMS/EA21.01/r20210601 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_60c8ae04_4680_3fb3d269" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=213.182.54.12; envelope-from=henri-biard@francemel.fr; helo=msg-2.mailo.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 10:12:51 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) ------=_NextPart_001_60c8ae04_4680_3fb3d269 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ispell is available in Emacs for general use.=C2=A0 But Aspell, which is s= tated as a spell checker designed to replace Ispell is not available for general use in Emacs.=C2= =A0 I would welcome Aspell in Emacs as I wish to use it.=C2=A0 Would be good to have selection= s work in minibuffer in same way as completions are made available with ivy. ------=_NextPart_001_60c8ae04_4680_3fb3d269 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ispell is available in Emacs for general use.=C2=A0 But Aspell, wh= ich is stated as a spell checker
designed to replace Ispell is n= ot available for general use in Emacs.=C2=A0 I would welcome
Aspe= ll in Emacs as I wish to use it.=C2=A0 Would be good to have selections wor= k in minibuffer
in same way as completions are made available wit= h ivy.


------=_NextPart_001_60c8ae04_4680_3fb3d269-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jun 15 10:24:42 2021 Received: (at 49039) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jun 2021 14:24:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50397 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lt9ze-0005V9-Kt for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 10:24:42 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:44520) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lt9zd-0005Ut-67 for 49039@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 10:24:41 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:55412) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lt9zX-00032k-Fm; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 10:24:35 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:3712 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lt9zX-0006MB-3b; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 10:24:35 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 17:24:32 +0300 Message-Id: <83im2f434v.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: henri-biard@francemel.fr In-Reply-To: (henri-biard@francemel.fr) Subject: Re: bug#49039: Aspell in Emacs References: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 49039 Cc: 49039@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: henri-biard@francemel.fr > Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 15:41:24 +0200 (CEST) > > Ispell is available in Emacs for general use. But Aspell, which is stated as a spell checker > designed to replace Ispell is not available for general use in Emacs. I would welcome > Aspell in Emacs as I wish to use it. ??? The ispell.el library in Emacs supports the programs 'ispell', 'aspell', 'hunspell', and 'enchant'. If you have more than one of these on PATH, you select the program you want to use by setting the variable ispell-program-name. So I think what you want is already possible, for quite some time. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jun 15 11:05:58 2021 Received: (at 49039) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jun 2021 15:05:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50472 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ltAda-0002Wl-87 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 11:05:58 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:51384) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ltAdZ-0002WV-3h for 49039@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 11:05:57 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=uQvOE7XR3NiKNAfPraPUCQmPM3TU1u2DBWmxG9cyqTQ=; b=p+lEfYDc2/6W2yX2PZ/LMLkAIU JCw6YQ37spU7DnV/iNBDiMaK6V0WXKd08IGqTj30j9LI0ZdfalSwppZHP+FLtIYZMMjOk3sIiUBfN eOA5zLsfvRwhvLkHJItszxYg3e5BEYbpFVG4+ZeOj0WRHK+ljKtE1/ynuxRMhn+Ys4Ww=; Received: from cm-84.212.220.105.getinternet.no ([84.212.220.105] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ltAdQ-0008On-Qq; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 17:05:51 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#49039: Aspell in Emacs References: <83im2f434v.fsf@gnu.org> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwCAMAAABg3Am1AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAM1BMVEVbW2NSTE9GQ0Rx amxEOTtlWVmUjY+DeHozKzAWEBQnHR5GPEIFAgOtqKrPy86IfoL////RSnZIAAAAAWJLR0QQlbIN LAAAAAd0SU1FB+UGDw8FI4kyB20AAAGRSURBVEjH7ZTrcgIxCIWDbAiwYfv+b9tDsl6ro386tp0e R90LH5AQKGUXEeWXDgfa7+dfOYlTVJaFqNbKlVl4SkQa3wo2lQ5qxabczUldVVeqrdVFHdKUDw2r 3nvpZ01gWQHgcrz+qktAyXVBipUbV1rTt13qC9AJxIqF1z1tXC43SdkVAGJd5x4cF5qBzgx0DXRP 63oRIV0sE7gXATKlYXzcyqGZmt8FknFsLSqDfKZoTyz3+R6wR1rh1keFzrtk/hB4pH/gFwDOVV8A 9kMwiCJB9gzYrY00SRWcPPdOG7MeAaeuTB2/qt24jIcWIRINU6GiyZlD+DQEZOshwWHCAWCrM4qh N6gJjnr7ELzSY0rwpWIa0YUlb0fUhjHV0DqNxqQKGCH+AHiLdFDysxX1redCHe65tQhOa4ktMPZ4 dBxhScQl19d5rGUA8I6uE3gb5iK1qNrjOng2ds4BMJukC13g8YVKK3xbbsKYhs8Bk+YX5XkOEF+V +ilgJ/8vAv1miH97P9iPA+wPAG8fZO8BPgHXo116etaEbwAAACV0RVh0ZGF0ZTpjcmVhdGUAMjAy MS0wNi0xNVQxNTowNTozNSswMDowMMEprhEAAAAldEVYdGRhdGU6bW9kaWZ5ADIwMjEtMDYtMTVU MTU6MDU6MzUrMDA6MDCwdBatAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC X-Now-Playing: Adult.'s _Subsurface_: "Subsurface" Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 17:05:48 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83im2f434v.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 15 Jun 2021 17:24:32 +0300") Message-ID: <875yyftbg3.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Currently, I can only find a brief mention in 16.4 Checking and Correcting Spelling It is unfortunate that emacs are still uses the name "ispell" because it e= rroneously makes believe that one is making use of ispell, even thogh one in using is= pell. Would you seriously consider have a generic spell framework for emacs that one can set up to use ispell, aspell etc.=C2=A0 In my opinion, the default= should be set to use aspell because its manual says that it ought to do a superior job a= nd is intended to replace ispell.=20 Does one use the command this way (setq ispell-program-name "aspell) or this way (setq ispell-program-name "/usr/bin/aspell") Many Gratitudes Henri From: Eli Zaretskii To: henri-biard@francemel.fr Subject: bug#49039: Aspell in Emacs Date: 15/06/2021 16:24:32 Europe/Paris Cc: 49039@debbugs.gnu.org > From: henri-biard@francemel.fr > Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 15:41:24 +0200 (CEST) >=20 > Ispell is available in Emacs for general use. But Aspell, which is state= d as a spell checker > designed to replace Ispell is not available for general use in Emacs. I = would welcome > Aspell in Emacs as I wish to use it. ??? The ispell.el library in Emacs supports the programs 'ispell', 'aspell', 'hunspell', and 'enchant'. If you have more than one of these on PATH, you select the program you want to use by setting the variable ispell-program-name. So I think what you want is already possible, for quite some time. ------=_NextPart_001_60c8c2ac_289a_52e43a7b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thank you for the useful information.=C2=A0 I would be helpful for man= y users
if there was more detailed information on how to set thin= gs up exactly with
real example code, that one would actually use= .

Currently, I can only find a brief mention in

16.4 Checking and Correcting Spelling
=
It is unfortunate that emacs are still uses the name "i= spell" because it erroneously
makes believe that one is maki= ng use of ispell, even thogh one in using ispell.

= Would you seriously consider have a generic spell framework for emacs that<= /div>
one can set up to use ispell, aspell etc.=C2=A0 In my opinion, th= e default should be set
to use aspell because its manual says th= at it ought to do a superior job and is intended
to replace ispe= ll.

Does one use the command this way
<= div>
(setq ispell-program-name "aspell)

or this way

(setq ispell-program-name= "/usr/bin/aspell")

Many Gratitudes
<= /div>
Henri



From: Eli Z= aretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: henri-biard@francemel.fr
Subject: bug#49039: Aspell in Emacs
Date: 15/06/2021 16:24:32 Europe/Paris
Cc: 49039@debbugs.gnu.org

> From: henri-biard@francemel.fr
> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 15:41:24 +0200 (CEST)
>
> Ispell is available in Emacs for general use. But Aspell, which is s= tated as a spell checker
> designed to replace Ispell is not available for general use in Emacs.= I would welcome
> Aspell in Emacs as I wish to use it.

??? The ispell.el library in Emacs supports the programs 'ispell',
'aspell', 'hunspell', and 'enchant'. If you have more than one of
these on PATH, you select the program you want to use by setting the
variable ispell-program-name.

So I think what you want is already possible, for quite some time.



------=_NextPart_001_60c8c2ac_289a_52e43a7b-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jun 15 11:26:29 2021 Received: (at 49039) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jun 2021 15:26:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50520 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ltAxQ-0005GH-Nq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 11:26:28 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:59082) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ltAxP-0005G1-6R for 49039@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 11:26:27 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:59018) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ltAxK-0008P5-0D; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 11:26:22 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:3522 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ltAxI-0003Ht-JV; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 11:26:21 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 18:26:19 +0300 Message-Id: <83fsxj409w.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: henri-biard@francemel.fr In-Reply-To: (henri-biard@francemel.fr) Subject: Re: bug#49039: Aspell in Emacs References: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 49039 Cc: 49039@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: henri-biard@francemel.fr > Cc: 49039@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 17:09:32 +0200 (CEST) > > Currently, I can only find a brief mention in > > 16.4 Checking and Correcting Spelling It isn't a brief mention, it's a whole section dedicated to spell-checking commands. > It is unfortunate that emacs are still uses the name "ispell" because it erroneously > makes believe that one is making use of ispell, even thogh one in using ispell. If you read that section, you will realize that "ispell" is the name of the Lisp package, and does not mean we only use "ispell" the program. That section says so at its very beginning. > Would you seriously consider have a generic spell framework for emacs that > one can set up to use ispell, aspell etc. We already have such a generic framework. > In my opinion, the default should be set > to use aspell because its manual says that it ought to do a superior job and is intended > to replace ispell. The default is already aspell: (defcustom ispell-program-name (or (executable-find "aspell") (executable-find "ispell") (executable-find "hunspell") "ispell") As you see, Emacs looks for a program in the order shown above, with aspell being the first one. > Does one use the command this way > > (setq ispell-program-name "aspell) > > or this way > > (setq ispell-program-name "/usr/bin/aspell") If aspell is on PATH, it doesn't matter which form you use. If it is not on PATH, then you should use the absolute file name. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jun 15 13:00:45 2021 Received: (at 49039) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jun 2021 17:00:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50671 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ltCQf-0001QC-53 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 13:00:45 -0400 Received: from msg-1.mailo.com ([213.182.54.11]:60468) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ltCQd-0001Pz-Gt for 49039@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 13:00:43 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=francemel.fr; s=mailo; t=1623776414; bh=MrFgo8M8+syQo97QDrGpCdR0KXEwjGYxoJNqjePg0vY=; h=X-EA-Auth:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:MIME-Version:X-Mailer: Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=a55moZFzikcmycQtBqlHqq4NmDMjwqxICrjK0SGKsJfJLTsPu8aTKnbpE0v+PTAtC vBGrCAsNwdL/G6G4G6mCZZuyPj0dxN0VwjXq1YtU4Fr/RHy/WCqHKt7KVoaxF7ZrUL WmhrWPqd5W89u7Ehp7i7Vs86gOjWZBJZmTl6KPL8= Received: by www-7.mailo.com with http webmail; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 19:00:13 +0200 (CEST) X-EA-Auth: n0eXX7ovc7Y5BILwVVSM+sJ7t2f9m1opOgrBKW4HOx7G8zQB4PRkM92cvEEk5t4WhRBumxV6faUiRf+yEogXISgy/qCNDFAz From: henri-biard@francemel.fr To: "Eli Zaretskii" Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 19:00:13 +0200 (CEST) Subject: bug#49039: Aspell in Emacs X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: COMS/EA21.01/r20210601 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <83fsxj409w.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_60c8dc9d_16fc_67ee4e39" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 49039 Cc: 49039@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) ------=_NextPart_001_60c8dc9d_16fc_67ee4e39 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >From: Eli Zaretskii >To: henri-biard@francemel.fr >Subject: bug#49039: Aspell in Emacs >Date: 15/06/2021 17:26:19 Europe/Paris >Cc: 49039@debbugs.gnu.org >> From: henri-biard@francemel.fr >> Cc: 49039@debbugs.gnu.org >> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 17:09:32 +0200 (CEST) >>=20 >> Currently, I can only find a brief mention in >>=20 >> 16.4 Checking and Correcting Spelling >It isn't a brief mention, it's a whole section dedicated to >spell-checking commands. There is no mention of ispell-program-name actually. >> It is unfortunate that emacs are still uses the name "ispell" because i= t erroneously >> makes believe that one is making use of ispell, even thogh one in using= ispell. >If you read that section, you will realize that "ispell" is the name >of the Lisp package, and does not mean we only use "ispell" the >program. That section says so at its very beginning. That can be highly confusing because it is very easy to confuse with ispel= l the program, and to understand that ispell is actually aspell (or anything you want for= that matter). >> Would you seriously consider have a generic spell framework for emacs t= hat >> one can set up to use ispell, aspell etc. >We already have such a generic framework. It looks to me that it is basically a hack of ispell, likely the result th= at it was easier=20 and quicker for the developer to do it that way.=C2=A0 Correct me if I am = wrong. >> In my opinion, the default should be set >> to use aspell because its manual says that it ought to do a superior jo= b and is intended >> to replace ispell.=20 >The default is already aspell: >(defcustom ispell-program-name >(or (executable-find "aspell") >(executable-find "ispell") >(executable-find "hunspell") >"ispell") >As you see, Emacs looks for a program in the order shown above, with >aspell being the first one. Had tried lookinf for the self documentation for ispell-program-name, but = could not=20 access anything.=C2=A0 Indeed I had to file a report for people to tell me= this. >> Does one use the command this way >>=20 >> (setq ispell-program-name "aspell) >>=20 >> or this way >>=20 >> (setq ispell-program-name "/usr/bin/aspell") >If aspell is on PATH, it doesn't matter which form you use. If it is >not on PATH, then you should use the absolute file name. Would you also say that the information is in the manual? Many Gratitudes. ------=_NextPart_001_60c8dc9d_16fc_67ee4e39 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

>From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
>To: henri-biard@francemel.fr
>Subject: bug#49039: Aspell in Emacs
>Date: 15/06/2021 17:26:19 Europe/Paris
>Cc: 49039@debbugs.gnu.org

>> From: henri-biard@francemel.fr
>> Cc: 49039@debbugs.gnu.org
>> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 17:09:32 +0200 (CEST)
>>
>> Currently, I can only find a brief mention in
>>
>> 16.4 Checking and Correcting Spelling

>It isn't a brief mention, it's a whole section dedicated to
>spell-checking commands.

There is no mention of ispell-program-name actually.<= br>

>> It is unfortunate that emacs are still uses the name "ispell= " because it erroneously
>> makes believe that one is making use of ispell, even thogh one in= using ispell.

>If you read that section, you will realize that "ispell" is = the name
>of the Lisp package, and does not mean we only use "ispell" = the
>program. That section says so at its very beginning.

That can be highly confusing because it is very easy t= o confuse with ispell the program,
and to understand that ispell = is actually aspell (or anything you want for that matter).

>> Would you seriously consider have a generic spell framework fo= r emacs that
>> one can set up to use ispell, aspell etc.

>We already have such a generic framework.

It looks to me that it is basically a hack of ispell, = likely the result that it was easier
and quicker for the dev= eloper to do it that way.=C2=A0 Correct me if I am wrong.
>> In my opinion, the default should be set
>> to use aspell because its manual says that it ought to do a super= ior job and is intended
>> to replace ispell.

>The default is already aspell:

>(defcustom ispell-program-name
>(or (executable-find "aspell")
>(executable-find "ispell")
>(executable-find "hunspell")
>"ispell")

>As you see, Emacs looks for a program in the order shown above, with >aspell being the first one.

Had tried lookinf for the self documentation for ispel= l-program-name, but could not
access anything.=C2=A0 Indeed = I had to file a report for people to tell me this.

= >> Does one use the command this way
>>
>> (setq ispell-program-name "aspell)
>>
>> or this way
>>
>> (setq ispell-program-name "/usr/bin/aspell")

>If aspell is on PATH, it doesn't matter which form you use. If it is<= br>
>not on PATH, then you should use the absolute file name.
Would you also say that the information is in the manual?
=

Many Gratitudes.



------=_NextPart_001_60c8dc9d_16fc_67ee4e39-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jun 15 13:30:33 2021 Received: (at 49039) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jun 2021 17:30:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50690 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ltCtU-0002hv-EQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 13:30:32 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:45996) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ltCtS-0002aj-5S for 49039@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 13:30:31 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:36180) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ltCtL-0005G1-Vt; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 13:30:24 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:3201 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ltCt7-0001Bp-8P; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 13:30:23 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 20:30:08 +0300 Message-Id: <8335tj3ujj.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: henri-biard@francemel.fr In-Reply-To: (henri-biard@francemel.fr) Subject: Re: bug#49039: Aspell in Emacs References: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 49039 Cc: 49039@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: henri-biard@francemel.fr > Cc: 49039@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 19:00:13 +0200 (CEST) > > >It isn't a brief mention, it's a whole section dedicated to > >spell-checking commands. > > There is no mention of ispell-program-name actually. If that's the only problem, then I already fixed it about 2 hours ago. > >> Would you seriously consider have a generic spell framework for emacs that > >> one can set up to use ispell, aspell etc. > > >We already have such a generic framework. > > It looks to me that it is basically a hack of ispell, likely the result that it was easier > and quicker for the developer to do it that way. Correct me if I am wrong. You are wrong. Please read the code, don't just judge it by the name of the package (which is just a historic incident). > Had tried lookinf for the self documentation for ispell-program-name, but could not > access anything. "C-h v ispell-program-name RET" would have shown its documentation. "M-x customize-group RET ispell RET" would have shown you all the customizable options for the package. > Indeed I had to file a report for people to tell me this. I suggest to spend some time learning to use the Emacs help commands, such as the two commands I show above, they usually make discovery fast and efficient. In any case, since Emacs already looks for known spell-checkers, and already prefers aspell, my conclusion from the fact that it didn't work for you is that you have some unusual setup, which should be quite rare nowadays. The defaults are set such that the user will not need to know about this variable. > >If aspell is on PATH, it doesn't matter which form you use. If it is > >not on PATH, then you should use the absolute file name. > > Would you also say that the information is in the manual? I don't think it should be. When you install a speller such as aspell, if its executable file is not on PATH, your system is misconfigured. The Emacs manual is not the place where people should look for information about setting up spelling on misconfigured systems. IOW, spelling with aspell in Emacs should work as long as invoking aspell from the shell prompt works. If it doesn't work to invoke aspell from the shell prompt, then you should first correct your system's configuration so that it does. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jun 15 13:51:16 2021 Received: (at 49039) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jun 2021 17:51:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50698 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ltDDY-0004tD-O6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 13:51:16 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:50860) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ltDDX-0004t2-Co for 49039@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 13:51:15 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:36686) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ltDDR-0001NH-UQ; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 13:51:09 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:4486 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ltDDR-0004bf-IE; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 13:51:09 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 20:51:08 +0300 Message-Id: <83y2bb2f03.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: henri-biard@francemel.fr In-Reply-To: <8335tj3ujj.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Tue, 15 Jun 2021 20:30:08 +0300) Subject: Re: bug#49039: Aspell in Emacs References: <8335tj3ujj.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 49039 Cc: 49039@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 20:30:08 +0300 > From: Eli Zaretskii > Cc: 49039@debbugs.gnu.org > > In any case, since Emacs already looks for known spell-checkers, and > already prefers aspell, my conclusion from the fact that it didn't > work for you is that you have some unusual setup, which should be > quite rare nowadays. The defaults are set such that the user will not > need to know about this variable. Actually, it's more likely that everything worked as intended on your system, i.e. Emacs uses aspell for spell-checking commands, and you simply _thought_ it didn't work because you expected to find commands like aspell-word. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jun 15 14:04:11 2021 Received: (at 49039) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jun 2021 18:04:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50716 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ltDQ2-0005EY-Nv for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 14:04:11 -0400 Received: from ip-8.mailobj.net ([213.182.54.8]:48586 helo=msg-3.mailo.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ltDQ0-0005EK-SI for 49039@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 14:04:09 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=francemel.fr; s=mailo; t=1623780233; bh=IUfLqXqF211eBCMl1k4qiKFKzYnptsKbyM6N5cyTYpE=; h=X-EA-Auth:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:MIME-Version:X-Mailer: Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=toy6M5gvoiAj8htrllRAuPGl0R8FyO7Hx8iHU75/sZkBi891P0qhOHrune2NcQLdr EvmOGH/yr5SThrgdiG3i66Qi/+/8ZBzVv+M3ZNE1lv33v58dK+Jjlwgnl3U0RFuCjH +DYQVPsHW62+NC3HsiGpKoDS2kbv98CnmUqFZ8/4= Received: by www-7.mailo.com with http webmail; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 20:03:53 +0200 (CEST) X-EA-Auth: cjcq8+meJZrEK6Cdw8xZy9e4uJ+U9v5h9qyBVnkKX1gDlHmf7uWuMsLNCLq2DjivzI4JTkKUlS3mT4P1jNTf2r9I/PPWVn3W From: henri-biard@francemel.fr To: "Eli Zaretskii" Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 20:03:53 +0200 (CEST) Subject: bug#49039: Aspell in Emacs X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: COMS/EA21.01/r20210601 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <8335tj3ujj.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_60c8eb89_4c51_5486367f" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 49039 Cc: 49039@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) ------=_NextPart_001_60c8eb89_4c51_5486367f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > From: Eli Zaretskii > To: henri-biard@francemel.fr > Subject: Re: bug#49039: Aspell in Emacs > Date: 15/06/2021 19:30:08 Europe/Paris > Cc: 49039@debbugs.gnu.org > > From: henri-biard@francemel.fr > > Cc: 49039@debbugs.gnu.org > > Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 19:00:13 +0200 (CEST) > >=20 > > >It isn't a brief mention, it's a whole section dedicated to > > >spell-checking commands. > >=20 > > There is no mention of ispell-program-name actually. > If that's the only problem, then I already fixed it about 2 hours ago. Much gratitude for that. > > >> Would you seriously consider have a generic spell framework for ema= cs that > > >> one can set up to use ispell, aspell etc. > >=20 > > >We already have such a generic framework. > >=20 > > It looks to me that it is basically a hack of ispell, likely the resul= t that it was easier=20 > > and quicker for the developer to do it that way. Correct me if I am wr= ong. > You are wrong. Please read the code, don't just judge it by the name of the package (which is just a historic incident). It is valuable to go past the historic after significant time has passed a= s it easily leads to confusion or obfuscation. May I suggest that the generic framework uses a name which in different th= at using the old ispell name. And within that framowork, one could call ispell, asp= ell or whatever, so there is no longer a conflict of understanding between ispell the frame= work and ispell the program. > > Had tried lookinf for the self documentation for ispell-program-name, = but could not=20 > > access anything. > "C-h v ispell-program-name RET" would have shown its documentation. There are no matches for ispell-program-name if you try to do C-h v ispell= -program-name > "M-x customize-group RET ispell RET" would have shown you all the > customizable options for the package. > > Indeed I had to file a report for people to tell me this. > I suggest to spend some time learning to use the Emacs help commands, > such as the two commands I show above, they usually make discovery > fast and efficient. > In any case, since Emacs already looks for known spell-checkers, and > already prefers aspell, my conclusion from the fact that it didn't > work for you is that you have some unusual setup, which should be > quite rare nowadays. The defaults are set such that the user will not > need to know about this variable. There has been a misunderstanding that aspell was not working.=C2=A0 It wa= s=20 working but my impression was that using ispell on emacs was using ispell the program. I am convinced that the user should know about the variable.=C2=A0 It is a= n important variable and users should know what spell checker is being used. > > > >If aspell is on PATH, it doesn't matter which form you use. If it i= s > >not on PATH, then you should use the absolute file name. > >=20 > > Would you also say that the information is in the manual? > I don't think it should be. When you install a speller such as > aspell, if its executable file is not on PATH, your system is > misconfigured. The Emacs manual is not the place where people should > look for information about setting up spelling on misconfigured > systems. > IOW, spelling with aspell in Emacs should work as long as invoking > aspell from the shell prompt works. If it doesn't work to invoke > aspell from the shell prompt, then you should first correct your > system's configuration so that it does. Correct, but it is hard to understand what spelling program is being used. Gnu packages should work well together.=C2=A0 The Gnu Aspell manual says t= hat=20 Aspell is a Free and Open Source spell checker designed to eventually repl= ace Ispell.This creates confusion and emacs should stop using ispell by name, except when it is actually using the ispell checker. What shall we call the general emacs spell checker? orthography-mode comes to mind.=C2=A0 The mode could additionally highlight incorrect words.=C2= =A0 Found many people complaining about flyspell.=C2=A0 But the idea of fly= spell - that of highlighting misspelled words - is good and useful in practice.=C2=A0 One can argue that doing the= checking on the fly can be disruptive and slow.=C2=A0 I can accept that.=C2=A0 There c= an be a command=20 (e.g. orthographic-highlight) that can do the highlighting at user request= (on paragraph, region' or buffer context) rather than continuously.=20 Many Thanks ------=_NextPart_001_60c8eb89_4c51_5486367f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
> To: henri-biard@francemel.fr
> Subject: Re: bug#49039: Aspell in Emacs
> Date: 15/06/2021 19:30:08 Europe/Paris
> Cc: 49039@debbugs.gnu.org

> > From: henri-biard@francemel.fr
> > Cc: 49039@debbugs.gnu.org
> > Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 19:00:13 +0200 (CEST)
> >
> > >It isn't a brief mention, it's a whole section dedicated to<= br> > > >spell-checking commands.
> >
> > There is no mention of ispell-program-name actually.

> If that's the only problem, then I already fixed it about 2 hours ago= .

Much gratitude for that.

> > >> Would you seriously consider have a generic spell frame= work for emacs that
> > >> one can set up to use ispell, aspell etc.
> >
> > >We already have such a generic framework.
> >
> > It looks to me that it is basically a hack of ispell, likely the= result that it was easier
> > and quicker for the developer to do it that way. Correct me if = I am wrong.

> You are wrong. Please read the code, don't just judge it by the name=
of the package (which is just a historic incident).

It is valuable to go past the historic after significa= nt time has passed as it easily leads
to confusion or obfuscation= .

May I suggest that the generic framework uses a = name which in different that using
the old ispell name. And withi= n that framowork, one could call ispell, aspell or whatever,
so t= here is no longer a conflict of understanding between ispell the framework = and ispell
the program.

> > Had tried lookinf for the self documentation for ispell-program-= name, but could not
> > access anything.

> "C-h v ispell-program-name RET" would have shown its docume= ntation.

There are no matches for ispell-program-name if you tr= y to do C-h v ispell-program-name

> "M-x customize-group RET ispell RET" would have shown you a= ll the
> customizable options for the package.

> > Indeed I had to file a report for people to tell me this.

> I suggest to spend some time learning to use the Emacs help commands,=
> such as the two commands I show above, they usually make discovery > fast and efficient.

> In any case, since Emacs already looks for known spell-checkers, and<= br> > already prefers aspell, my conclusion from the fact that it didn't > work for you is that you have some unusual setup, which should be
= > quite rare nowadays. The defaults are set such that the user will no= t
> need to know about this variable.

There has been a misunderstanding that aspell was not = working.=C2=A0 It was
working but my impression was that usi= ng ispell on emacs was using
ispell the program.
I am convinced that the user should know about the variable.= =C2=A0 It is an important
variable and users should know what spe= ll checker is being used.

> > > >If aspell is on PATH, it doesn't matter which form you = use. If it is
> >not on PATH, then you should use the absolute file name.
> >
> > Would you also say that the information is in the manual?

> I don't think it should be. When you install a speller such as
> aspell, if its executable file is not on PATH, your system is
> misconfigured. The Emacs manual is not the place where people should=
> look for information about setting up spelling on misconfigured
> systems.

> IOW, spelling with aspell in Emacs should work as long as invoking > aspell from the shell prompt works. If it doesn't work to invoke
= > aspell from the shell prompt, then you should first correct your
<= div> > system's configuration so that it does.

Corr= ect, but it is hard to understand what spelling program is being used.

Gnu packages should work well together.=C2=A0 The Gnu = Aspell manual says that
Aspell is a Free and Open Source spe= ll checker designed to eventually replace
Ispell.This creates confusion and emacs shou= ld stop using ispell by name,
except when it is actually using th= e ispell checker.

What shall we call the general e= macs spell checker? orthography-mode comes
to mind.=C2=A0 The mod= e could additionally highlight incorrect words.=C2=A0 Found many people com= plaining about flyspell.=C2=A0 But the idea of flyspell - that of highlight= ing misspelled
words - is good and useful in practice.=C2=A0 One = can argue that doing the checking on
the fly can be disruptive an= d slow.=C2=A0 I can accept that.=C2=A0 There can be a command
(e.g. orthographic-highlight) that can do the highlighting at user reques= t (on paragraph,
region' or buffer context) rather than continuou= sly.

Many Thanks


------=_NextPart_001_60c8eb89_4c51_5486367f-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jun 15 14:09:57 2021 Received: (at 49039) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jun 2021 18:09:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50724 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ltDVd-0005Mf-1k for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 14:09:57 -0400 Received: from msg-1.mailo.com ([213.182.54.11]:36394) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ltDVb-0005MR-8T for 49039@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 14:09:55 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=francemel.fr; s=mailo; t=1623780584; bh=Y66Nfb/RPkxeuqFjd6+WfoZayxltfGr2mFw1qLE5uKc=; h=X-EA-Auth:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:MIME-Version:X-Mailer: Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=IXo/pJMLY+Na8w36Ux/yPoDagsDF0Vt3bY1uISrbZAoYBNBw8nQHA5kXksseQEtIK EuW2yvooxbhvurwfYXPkPyZ/L0bd16YoSTjykIC+LAbE13bqzfB3C2REA05JeEobcv re6Y48OEuBfFpM8N7TtUbu+madtTMSf5XOC3kIUA= Received: by www-7.mailo.com with http webmail; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 20:09:44 +0200 (CEST) X-EA-Auth: rO/nS8FKZhxsrDdiIR//s5ULCeusoCIUZqiKqLsBaneUEVfVqOnNkPDcL5FBl5iIOa8xlEhcorORKaif3fKANtB7txlJjd7K From: henri-biard@francemel.fr To: "Eli Zaretskii" Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 20:09:44 +0200 (CEST) Subject: bug#49039: Aspell in Emacs X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: COMS/EA21.01/r20210601 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <83y2bb2f03.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_60c8ece8_502f_684af946" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 49039 Cc: 49039@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) ------=_NextPart_001_60c8ece8_502f_684af946 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Agreed, it was mainly a confusion thing.=C2=A0 Hoped that Emacs would be cl= earer on what it was actually doing.=C2=A0 Many times historic things get i= n the way.=C2=A0 As things move forward, historic things should be gradually moved to the side and concentrate on the realit= ies of today.=C2=A0 It is a wise comment but not something I can force.=C2=A0 But it is important to unders= tand this. From: Eli Zaretskii To: henri-biard@francemel.fr Subject: bug#49039: Aspell in Emacs Date: 15/06/2021 19:51:08 Europe/Paris Cc: 49039@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 20:30:08 +0300 > From: Eli Zaretskii > Cc: 49039@debbugs.gnu.org >=20 > In any case, since Emacs already looks for known spell-checkers, and > already prefers aspell, my conclusion from the fact that it didn't > work for you is that you have some unusual setup, which should be > quite rare nowadays. The defaults are set such that the user will not > need to know about this variable. Actually, it's more likely that everything worked as intended on your system, i.e. Emacs uses aspell for spell-checking commands, and you simply _thought_ it didn't work because you expected to find commands like aspell-word. ------=_NextPart_001_60c8ece8_502f_684af946 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Agreed, it was mainly a confusion thing.=C2=A0 Hoped that Emacs would = be clearer on what it was actually doing.=C2=A0 Many times historic things = get in the way.=C2=A0 As things move forward, historic
things sho= uld be gradually moved to the side and concentrate on the realities of toda= y.=C2=A0 It is a wise
comment but not something I can force.=C2= =A0 But it is important to understand this.


From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: henri-biard@francemel.fr
Subject: bug#49039: Aspell in Emacs
Date: 15/06/2021 19:51:08 Europe/Paris
Cc: 49039@debbugs.gnu.org

> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 20:30:08 +0300
> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
> Cc: 49039@debbugs.gnu.org
>
> In any case, since Emacs already looks for known spell-checkers, and<= br> > already prefers aspell, my conclusion from the fact that it didn't > work for you is that you have some unusual setup, which should be
= > quite rare nowadays. The defaults are set such that the user will no= t
> need to know about this variable.

Actually, it's more likely that everything worked as intended on your
system, i.e. Emacs uses aspell for spell-checking commands, and you
simply _thought_ it didn't work because you expected to find commands
like aspell-word.



------=_NextPart_001_60c8ece8_502f_684af946-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jun 15 14:12:30 2021 Received: (at 49039) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jun 2021 18:12:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50734 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ltDY6-0005RA-2j for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 14:12:30 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:56230) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ltDY4-0005Qj-NU for 49039@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 14:12:29 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:37314) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ltDXy-0006JK-T3; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 14:12:23 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:1806 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ltDXx-0002Hp-UC; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 14:12:22 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 21:12:22 +0300 Message-Id: <83v96f2e0p.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: henri-biard@francemel.fr In-Reply-To: (henri-biard@francemel.fr) Subject: Re: bug#49039: Aspell in Emacs References: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 49039 Cc: 49039@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: henri-biard@francemel.fr > Cc: 49039@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 20:03:53 +0200 (CEST) > > > > It looks to me that it is basically a hack of ispell, likely the result that it was easier > > > and quicker for the developer to do it that way. Correct me if I am wrong. > > > You are wrong. Please read the code, don't just judge it by the name > of the package (which is just a historic incident). > > It is valuable to go past the historic after significant time has passed as it easily leads > to confusion or obfuscation. > > May I suggest that the generic framework uses a name which in different that using > the old ispell name. And within that framowork, one could call ispell, aspell or whatever, > so there is no longer a conflict of understanding between ispell the framework and ispell > the program. We are not going to change the names, sorry. Too many Emacs users are used to these names. > > > Had tried lookinf for the self documentation for ispell-program-name, but could not > > > access anything. > > > "C-h v ispell-program-name RET" would have shown its documentation. > > There are no matches for ispell-program-name if you try to do C-h v ispell-program-name There will be once you invoke the first ispell-* command. > > In any case, since Emacs already looks for known spell-checkers, and > > already prefers aspell, my conclusion from the fact that it didn't > > work for you is that you have some unusual setup, which should be > > quite rare nowadays. The defaults are set such that the user will not > > need to know about this variable. > > There has been a misunderstanding that aspell was not working. It was > working but my impression was that using ispell on emacs was using > ispell the program. > > I am convinced that the user should know about the variable. It is an important > variable and users should know what spell checker is being used. Then I'm sorry, but we will have to agree to disagree on that. > > IOW, spelling with aspell in Emacs should work as long as invoking > > aspell from the shell prompt works. If it doesn't work to invoke > > aspell from the shell prompt, then you should first correct your > > system's configuration so that it does. > > Correct, but it is hard to understand what spelling program is being used. You can always ask. Like here: you asked and got the answer. > Gnu packages should work well together. The Gnu Aspell manual says that > Aspell is a Free and Open Source spell checker designed to eventually replace > Ispell.This creates confusion and emacs should stop using ispell by name, > except when it is actually using the ispell checker. You are again sticking to the name. The name is not important: I'm quite sure Emacs was using aspell on your system (if it is installed), From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jun 15 15:20:46 2021 Received: (at 49039) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jun 2021 19:20:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50871 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ltEcA-0000uG-09 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 15:20:46 -0400 Received: from msg-1.mailo.com ([213.182.54.11]:39870) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ltEc7-0000u1-9X for 49039@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 15:20:44 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=francemel.fr; s=mailo; t=1623784829; bh=dyFV5yRLSaqVy4vd0M3nfoYRCUlH4VB+A6TZkzwNCr4=; h=X-EA-Auth:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:MIME-Version:X-Mailer: Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=csRIJOOXhagLn35T9qKvL9fYZxl7iQebuC5F3c3hO9YIkv0WGk/76V/2jdbOIaXfe MjXN313vb7kjVX4ybpMK1IEcN0FVPlEbulWuAm2M0JNLAYWpDvQqKkwNnjAbvgyEyw /0MPGqhhuc7+/Afv7TJHd76ueFimIe9KCcIKrKnk= Received: by www-7.mailo.com with http webmail; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 21:20:29 +0200 (CEST) X-EA-Auth: SWAjcN7lmBTlTYsxcu3QjpRW2F7SqmVDPNAmCXv8anYqphf0RVEUnJfcIXBulH16WUq7LmptFv7hrIMqHbj+xYjO+Qsvx9fD From: henri-biard@francemel.fr To: "Eli Zaretskii" Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 21:20:29 +0200 (CEST) Subject: bug#49039: Aspell in Emacs X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: COMS/EA21.01/r20210601 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <83v96f2e0p.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_60c8fd7d_7e3_466a2bed" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 49039 Cc: 49039@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) ------=_NextPart_001_60c8fd7d_7e3_466a2bed Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Eli Zaretskii To: henri-biard@francemel.fr Subject: Re: bug#49039: Aspell in Emacs Date: 15/06/2021 20:12:22 Europe/Paris Cc: 49039@debbugs.gnu.org >> From: henri-biard@francemel.fr >> Cc: 49039@debbugs.gnu.org >> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 20:03:53 +0200 (CEST) >>=20 >> > > It looks to me that it is basically a hack of ispell, likely the re= sult that it was easier=20 >> > > and quicker for the developer to do it that way. Correct me if I am= wrong. >>=20 >> > You are wrong. Please read the code, don't just judge it by the name >> of the package (which is just a historic incident). >>=20 >> It is valuable to go past the historic after significant time has passe= d as it easily leads >> to confusion or obfuscation. >>=20 >> May I suggest that the generic framework uses a name which in different= that using >> the old ispell name. And within that framowork, one could call ispell, = aspell or whatever, >> so there is no longer a conflict of understanding between ispell the fr= amework and ispell >> the program. >We are not going to change the names, sorry. Too many Emacs users are >used to these names. Then it would be good to have the program ispell deprecated and letting as= pell take over, following the Gnu Project Plan. >> > > Had tried lookinf for the self documentation for ispell-program-nam= e, but could not=20 >> > > access anything. >>=20 >> > "C-h v ispell-program-name RET" would have shown its documentation. >>=20 >> There are no matches for ispell-program-name if you try to do C-h v isp= ell-program-name >There will be once you invoke the first ispell-* command. Let's try to avoid such requirement and have the ability to access that in= formation without having to call other ispell commands first.=C2=A0 There could be i= spell-mode, once a user activates it, the documentation for all ispell functionality would = be available. >> > In any case, since Emacs already looks for known spell-checkers, and >> > already prefers aspell, my conclusion from the fact that it didn't >> > work for you is that you have some unusual setup, which should be >> > quite rare nowadays. The defaults are set such that the user will not >> > need to know about this variable. >>=20 >> There has been a misunderstanding that aspell was not working. It was= =20 >> working but my impression was that using ispell on emacs was using >> ispell the program. >>=20 >> I am convinced that the user should know about the variable. It is an i= mportant >> variable and users should know what spell checker is being used. >Then I'm sorry, but we will have to agree to disagree on that. Or be able to get to know about it from emacs self documentation and from = manual. I frequently try to get information from emacs.=C2=A0 Emacs has too many h= idden things. The added benefit would be that people would know about the standalone pro= gram. Or do people not really use spell checker in emacs much? >> > IOW, spelling with aspell in Emacs should work as long as invoking >> > aspell from the shell prompt works. If it doesn't work to invoke >> > aspell from the shell prompt, then you should first correct your >> > system's configuration so that it does. >>=20 >> Correct, but it is hard to understand what spelling program is being us= ed. >You can always ask. Like here: you asked and got the answer. Yes, but do you really wanted users to always have to ask.=C2=A0 And do us= ers really want to have to ask to know.=C2=A0 Personally, I want to get on with my wo= rk, without wasting time asking about this and that.=C2=A0 Would also avoid the frustr= ation of people responding to tho same question over and over again.=C2=A0 From operationa= l point of view, when a question is being asked too frequently, it is indication of s= ome deficit. >> Gnu packages should work well together. The Gnu Aspell manual says that= =20 >> Aspell is a Free and Open Source spell checker designed to eventually r= eplace >> Ispell.This creates confusion and emacs should stop using ispell by nam= e, >> except when it is actually using the ispell checker. >You are again sticking to the name. The name is not important: I'm >quite sure Emacs was using aspell on your system (if it is installed), Good. I wanted to use aspell.=C2=A0 Am not sticking with the name, but it = is time for gnu to deprecate the ispell program in favour of aspell.=C2=A0 It would then b= e much easier for emacs users to to consider ispell in emacs as the general framework for or= thographic correction. ------=_NextPart_001_60c8fd7d_7e3_466a2bed Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: henri-biard@francemel.fr
Subject: Re: bug#49039: Aspell in Emacs
Date: 15/06/2021 20:12:22 Europe/Paris
Cc: 49039@debbugs.gnu.org

>> From: henri-biard@francemel.fr
>> Cc: 49039@debbugs.gnu.org
>> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 20:03:53 +0200 (CEST)
>>
>> > > It looks to me that it is basically a hack of ispell, l= ikely the result that it was easier
>> > > and quicker for the developer to do it that way. Correc= t me if I am wrong.
>>
>> > You are wrong. Please read the code, don't just judge it by = the name
>> of the package (which is just a historic incident).
>>
>> It is valuable to go past the historic after significant time has= passed as it easily leads
>> to confusion or obfuscation.
>>
>> May I suggest that the generic framework uses a name which in dif= ferent that using
>> the old ispell name. And within that framowork, one could call is= pell, aspell or whatever,
>> so there is no longer a conflict of understanding between ispell = the framework and ispell
>> the program.

>We are not going to change the names, sorry. Too many Emacs users are=
>used to these names.

Then it would be good to have the program ispell depre= cated and letting aspell
take over, following the Gnu Project Pla= n.

>> > > Had tried lookinf for the self documentation for ispell= -program-name, but could not
>> > > access anything.
>>
>> > "C-h v ispell-program-name RET" would have shown i= ts documentation.
>>
>> There are no matches for ispell-program-name if you try to do C-h= v ispell-program-name

>There will be once you invoke the first ispell-* command.

Let's try to avoid such requirement and have the abili= ty to access that information
without having to call other ispell= commands first.=C2=A0 There could be ispell-mode, once
a user ac= tivates it, the documentation for all ispell functionality would be availab= le.

>> > In any case, since Emacs already looks for known spell-check= ers, and
>> > already prefers aspell, my conclusion from the fact that it = didn't
>> > work for you is that you have some unusual setup, which shou= ld be
>> > quite rare nowadays. The defaults are set such that the user= will not
>> > need to know about this variable.
>>
>> There has been a misunderstanding that aspell was not working. I= t was
>> working but my impression was that using ispell on emacs was usin= g
>> ispell the program.
>>
>> I am convinced that the user should know about the variable. It = is an important
>> variable and users should know what spell checker is being used.<= br>
>Then I'm sorry, but we will have to agree to disagree on that.

Or be able to get to know about it from emacs self doc= umentation and from manual.
I frequently try to get information f= rom emacs.=C2=A0 Emacs has too many hidden things.

The added benefit would be that people would know about the standalone pro= gram.
Or do people not really use spell checker in emacs much?

>> > IOW, spelling with aspell in Emacs should work as long as in= voking
>> > aspell from the shell prompt works. If it doesn't work to in= voke
>> > aspell from the shell prompt, then you should first correct = your
>> > system's configuration so that it does.
>>
>> Correct, but it is hard to understand what spelling program is be= ing used.

>You can always ask. Like here: you asked and got the answer.

Yes, but do you really wanted users to always have to = ask.=C2=A0 And do users really
want to have to ask to know.=C2=A0= Personally, I want to get on with my work, without
wasting time = asking about this and that.=C2=A0 Would also avoid the frustration of peopl= e
responding to tho same question over and over again.=C2=A0 From= operational point of
view, when a question is being asked too fr= equently, it is indication of some deficit.

>> Gnu packages should work well together. The Gnu Aspell manual sa= ys that
>> Aspell is a Free and Open Source spell checker designed to eventu= ally replace
>> Ispell.This creates confusion and emacs should stop using ispell = by name,
>> except when it is actually using the ispell checker.

>You are again sticking to the name. The name is not important: I'm
>quite sure Emacs was using aspell on your system (if it is installed),=

Good. I wanted to use aspell.=C2=A0 Am not sticki= ng with the name, but it is time for gnu
to deprecate the ispell = program in favour of aspell.=C2=A0 It would then be much easier for
emacs users to to consider ispell in emacs as the general framework for= orthographic
correction.



------=_NextPart_001_60c8fd7d_7e3_466a2bed-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jun 15 15:25:46 2021 Received: (at 49039) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jun 2021 19:25:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50875 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ltEgz-00011d-W8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 15:25:46 -0400 Received: from ip-8.mailobj.net ([213.182.54.8]:52570 helo=msg-3.mailo.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ltEgy-00011O-Qd for 49039@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 15:25:45 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=francemel.fr; s=mailo; t=1623785131; bh=M5xZbEovUuH5ZJLWrcQ+Df2lpkpG7DOfTSulKgMDP1M=; h=X-EA-Auth:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:MIME-Version:X-Mailer: Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=A67xZ3nGxEA0lzJZUBYznzDs+PoW3WNHOc1y6EpQiq0dsescRfD32aGcqFaRtys9n I2Uh9lBhL3HP1GGcPIF4KRwqaiewKTAL1L/1i/4c5quewOdkmSEBtyY3lmJt+DrFti F8fDGfRReTu4qdOHyD1xbNOFu9Zdg9SCi4y0Xras= Received: by www-7.mailo.com with http webmail; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 21:25:31 +0200 (CEST) X-EA-Auth: EjP4Cg7ZNN+6psY9zHIgmRjWg+pwWJYrrUWqoQtLyN4BFY5v6K3FVzpHyuY2fzYuoSLc/Pd4E93zUItKdwv+TjwHQopBEezt From: henri-biard@francemel.fr To: "Eli Zaretskii" Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 21:25:31 +0200 (CEST) Subject: bug#49039: Aspell in Emacs X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: COMS/EA21.01/r20210601 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <83v96f2e0p.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_60c8feab_bc7_1c14e3f5" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 49039 Cc: 49039@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) ------=_NextPart_001_60c8feab_bc7_1c14e3f5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> > > Had tried lookinf for the self documentation for ispell-program-name= , but could not=20 >> > > access anything. >>=20 >> > "C-h v ispell-program-name RET" would have shown its documentation. >>=20 >> There are no matches for ispell-program-name if you try to do C-h v isp= ell-program-name >There will be once you invoke the first ispell-* command. Have done as you suggested, but self documentation for ispell-program-name= still does not show up. ------=_NextPart_001_60c8feab_bc7_1c14e3f5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> > > Had tried lookinf for the self documentation for ispell-= program-name, but could not
>> > > access anything.
>>
>> > "C-h v ispell-program-name RET" would have shown i= ts documentation.
>>
>> There are no matches for ispell-program-name if you try to do C-h= v ispell-program-name

>There will be once you invoke the first ispell-* command.
Have done as you suggested, but self documentation for ispell-= program-name still
does not show up.

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