From unknown Fri Jun 20 07:14:31 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#49037 <49037@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#49037 <49037@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: flyspell word correction frustrating Reply-To: bug#49037 <49037@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2025 14:14:31 +0000 retitle 49037 flyspell word correction frustrating reassign 49037 emacs submitter 49037 henri-biard@francemel.fr severity 49037 normal tag 49037 notabug thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jun 15 10:12:54 2021 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jun 2021 14:12:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50367 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lt9oC-0005BS-Va for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 10:12:54 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:35134) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lt1ur-0006Jv-Nd for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 01:47:14 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:42112) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lt1ur-00063k-FH for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 01:47:13 -0400 Received: from msg-1.mailo.com ([213.182.54.11]:56892) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lt1uo-0002o7-QI for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 01:47:13 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=francemel.fr; s=mailo; t=1623736027; bh=OD9w6lZ92nLCF/zF+jwARxKVlTi0U7WM0w8xwXntk0s=; h=X-EA-Auth:From:To:Date:Subject:MIME-Version:X-Mailer:Message-ID: Content-Type; b=aU2tGlWPTcK55Vi+3RxT1hALwff1Wp6aDD8DawsBFGbGB6pV9Eri9sRZMSvQ1TPys v3KLos7FiTRdL4KqRMqwDRXCA25+I8b5yaRlMnwoQx3XTddhLUE8QntRRMrXjtk6rn eiksDiJtVDCkDO1EAAiGe3tvd7AiAnqJGlridYv8= Received: by www-7.mailo.com with http webmail; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 07:47:07 +0200 (CEST) X-EA-Auth: QdQdaMfNwINwgSTR6t9IX8eG0lbEh8e1eQ+q7jUa8CzQZit83AqL+ChiPUzqYoDtRy7cuHXqp2XObCGLT5F8kQQT8T3I0m5W From: henri-biard@francemel.fr To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 07:47:07 +0200 (CEST) Subject: flyspell word correction frustrating X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: COMS/EA21.01/r20210601 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_60c83edb_636f_7ade2edb" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=213.182.54.11; envelope-from=henri-biard@francemel.fr; helo=msg-1.mailo.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 10:12:51 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) ------=_NextPart_001_60c83edb_636f_7ade2edb Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have been working with flyspell and have found correcting words with fly= spell spectacularly frustrating.=C2=A0=20 "flyspell-correct-word" is annoyingly only bound to a mouse click.=20 "flyspell-correct-word-before-point" is also bound to a mouse click or one= can use "M-x flyspell-correct-word-before-point". Another big problem is that the menu of possible corrections.that is displ= ayed covers the buffer.=C2=A0 If I have a long list of completions, the menu co= vers the text. Although ispell works better, the way one selects the replacement word is = also cumbersome. emacs has the icomplete (incremental minibuffer compeltion preview) which = works very well without affecting the viewing of the buffer.=C2=A0 One drawback = with icomplete is that the completions are not shown in a vertical way as done in ivy. On Apr 27, 2020, Omar Antol=C3=ADn Camarena released icomplete-vertical.el= , but the=20 functionality has not really been introduced in the official emacs and imp= roved upon. If there was the capability for vertical spelling correction with vertical= listing mimicking ivy, things will be much better for correcting words with flyspell. Omar Antol=C3=ADn Camarena also wrote orderless.el, a very useful package = that provides orderless completion style in the minibuffer. This would be very good to h= ave in=20 official emacs as well.=20 =C2=A0 ------=_NextPart_001_60c83edb_636f_7ade2edb Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have been working with flyspell and have found correcting words = with flyspell
spectacularly frustrating.=C2=A0
"flyspell-correct-word" is annoyingly only bound to a= mouse click.

"flyspell-correct-word-bef= ore-point" is also bound to a mouse click or one can
use &qu= ot;M-x flyspell-correct-word-before-point".

A= nother big problem is that the menu of possible corrections.that is displayed
covers the buffer.=C2=A0 = If I have a long list of completions, the menu covers the text.
<= div>
Although ispell works better, the way one selects the re= placement word is also
cumbersome.

emacs= has the icomplete (incremental minibuffer compeltion preview) which works<= /div>
very well without affecting the viewing of the buffer.=C2=A0 One = drawback with icomplete
is that the completions are not shown in = a vertical way as done in ivy.

On Apr 27, 2020, Omar Antol=C3=ADn Camarena released = icomplete-vertical.el, but the
functionality has not really been introduce= d in the official emacs and improved upon.

If= there was the capability for vertical spelling correction with vertical li= sting mimicking
ivy, thin= gs will be much better for correcting words with flyspell.

Omar Antol=C3=ADn Camarena also wrote orderless.el, a v= ery useful package that provides
orderless completion style in the minibuffer. This would = be very good to have in
official emacs as well. =C2=A0
------=_NextPart_001_60c83edb_636f_7ade2edb-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jun 15 11:11:02 2021 Received: (at 49037) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jun 2021 15:11:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50486 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ltAiU-0002fs-Ag for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 11:11:02 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:51550) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ltAiS-0002fL-Cm for 49037@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 11:11:00 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=47E71wttmtK/kJcTGi9R+Cj5Xx9zn8eovP/PYYs8MqA=; b=AZ+L8dyqx5/jloxHgcISA3zNA+ CZzpHlskLbr0EadEvA/B0XYB1YHa5IZUrs0lAi6MvhsIu1aRAM+bm0IgV9ME9AwGxzNuZT7BR7o6e vwp0qtsdisIJLnHWnokLNbYz5Vf9D1KF6e+sZWludEYfUlaUhe1jutLHHaTR55Pa/gG8=; Received: from cm-84.212.220.105.getinternet.no ([84.212.220.105] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ltAiJ-0000Hu-Nt; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 17:10:53 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: henri-biard@francemel.fr Subject: Re: bug#49037: flyspell word correction frustrating References: X-Now-Playing: Adult.'s _Subsurface_: "Subsurface" Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 17:10:51 +0200 In-Reply-To: (henri-biard@francemel.fr's message of "Tue, 15 Jun 2021 07:47:07 +0200 (CEST)") Message-ID: <87tulzrwn8.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 49037 Cc: 49037@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) henri-biard@francemel.fr writes: > I have been working with flyspell and have found correcting words with flyspell > spectacularly frustrating. > > "flyspell-correct-word" is annoyingly only bound to a mouse click. `C-c $' is the command to use from the keyboard. I didn't read the rest of the bug report -- you previously said (under a different name) that you were a "journalist" performing some sort of "experiment". If the experiment is to test how many irrelevant bug reports you can file before getting banned (or something similar) -- please stop the experiment. 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Content preview: tags 49037 notabug close 49037 quit Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) tags 49037 notabug close 49037 quit From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jun 15 11:24:08 2021 Received: (at 49037) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jun 2021 15:24:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50510 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ltAv9-0005CZ-Kh for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 11:24:07 -0400 Received: from msg-2.mailo.com ([213.182.54.12]:48600) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ltAv7-0005C3-Rc for 49037@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 11:24:07 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=francemel.fr; s=mailo; t=1623770633; bh=et1Hm0Gdjk2MY/6kUzoOEPOVJ1kVzC+1zUFGSYGTXM0=; h=X-EA-Auth:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:MIME-Version:X-Mailer: Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=aE/3x47XMyDk8FZ/RG2Y2+O0o8mi5HkzkOC/bgcp7EpAt4MeieE6NxwZmzbvI+B+X /ZFio+xoXQTQ+dor+J4ww+zCsujRH4lrl//Z7v2pwKGKK95zEpfbcYQradoF+m3YOl nyVOVE3FZ3qtvVj0XlTHK5KG1toJZjVHLxUZNPKw= Received: by www-7.mailo.com with http webmail; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 17:23:52 +0200 (CEST) X-EA-Auth: wUO5NSYYfDzP9ICMd6o33Jg94pneuNob5rTn8SQnJu06pJoPlxDvtxiTWZ19jdstdl3EwnKmZqLwnc70qz28qNTBER6wlEJ0 From: henri-biard@francemel.fr To: "Lars Ingebrigtsen" Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 17:23:52 +0200 (CEST) Subject: bug#49037: flyspell word correction frustrating X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: COMS/EA21.01/r20210601 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <87tulzrwn8.fsf@gnus.org> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_60c8c608_37ae_742c395d" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 49037 Cc: 49037@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) ------=_NextPart_001_60c8c608_37ae_742c395d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable One developer full of shit trying to maintain a package whilst closing=20 bug reports he doesn't like.=C2=A0 Now the banning bullshit starts.=C2=A0= =20 You might as well ban people considering you are getting in the habit to c= lose request anyway. There have been many criticisms through the years that emacs developers ar= e slow to react and improve.=C2=A0 Lately there have been discussions on emacs moder= nisation but it always gets to deaf ears. From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: henri-biard@francemel.fr Subject: bug#49037: flyspell word correction frustrating Date: 15/06/2021 17:10:51 Europe/Paris Cc: 49037@debbugs.gnu.org henri-biard@francemel.fr writes: > I have been working with flyspell and have found correcting words with f= lyspell > spectacularly frustrating.=20 > > "flyspell-correct-word" is annoyingly only bound to a mouse click.=20 `C-c $' is the command to use from the keyboard. I didn't read the rest of the bug report -- you previously said (under a different name) that you were a "journalist" performing some sort of "experiment". If the experiment is to test how many irrelevant bug reports you can file before getting banned (or something similar) -- please stop the experiment. Closing. --=20 (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no ------=_NextPart_001_60c8c608_37ae_742c395d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

One developer full of shit trying to maintain a package= whilst closing
bug reports he doesn't like.=C2=A0 Now the b= anning bullshit starts.=C2=A0

You might as we= ll ban people considering you are getting in the habit to close request
anyway.

There have been many criticisms th= rough the years that emacs developers are slow to
react and impr= ove.=C2=A0 Lately there have been discussions on emacs modernisation but it=
always gets to deaf ears.


From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
To: henri-biard@francemel.fr
Subject: bug#49037: flyspell word correction frustrating
Date: 15/06/2021 17:10:51 Europe/Paris
Cc: 49037@debbugs.gnu.org

henri-biard@francemel.fr writes:

> I have been working with flyspell and have found correcting words wit= h flyspell
> spectacularly frustrating.
>
> "flyspell-correct-word" is annoyingly only bound to a mouse= click.

`C-c $' is the command to use from the keyboard.

I didn't read the rest of the bug report -- you previously said (under a different name) that you were a "journalist" performing some sor= t of
"experiment". If the experiment is to test how many irrelevant = bug
reports you can file before getting banned (or something similar) --
please stop the experiment.

Closing.

--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no



------=_NextPart_001_60c8c608_37ae_742c395d-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jun 15 11:48:34 2021 Received: (at 49037) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jun 2021 15:48:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50538 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ltBIo-0005oy-DK for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 11:48:34 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:52576) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ltBIm-0005oj-I1 for 49037@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 11:48:33 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=mvJql1peSdZlYFcMqi0HzpEuE/TM26JzMlyEQ3bqie4=; b=quZmN76tbc/E95r+Z/fMmsbb3Q LrUYnhFQ6tWN7Mt5Ix5U/vpglGMiuSYMSz7OzEfALz2G3OuiJDUrB11d/l9sURYVeW8nLr/MHKLX5 OG04JlL5gu6dIWeQPKS+uO00cKSMbePZodVZJX8tiggAIYAXF/UWWN4EOgWPWRr6lJQE=; Received: from cm-84.212.220.105.getinternet.no ([84.212.220.105] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ltBId-0001zh-Cb; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 17:48:26 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: henri-biard@francemel.fr Subject: Re: bug#49037: flyspell word correction frustrating References: Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAGFBMVEVdVFEsIR+RfWvc 2M/8/PrBtZwGBAb///9C9wciAAAAAWJLR0QHFmGI6wAAAAd0SU1FB+UGDw8uFEf/XwsAAAGvSURB VDjLdZRNj7IwEMenVTi3bsK5Dy6eV1v2vBG8I4jnVuN8/4+wMyDC48I/oWn7y7y2BYQyADIFkl6V g04bQBSI3mitE7y/wNEDBqG1egPuZwISfIE62w8AtEbExxOY9DoA0QHPu8WlPGyvtx5owZ4w9AHK wsWPl8UIWPFHD+hDBm4AyQjYAi/P/QLXgF4EHTR2rgZwwk/AWy2wK4+yGsARL4APa42WBhhsLSm3 9gsbwHsBUUsik+B50jZ27y3FyBpKxhUjaJtvnxPQKm3I75nTomBKa4iR2h7Ie1BpW+NUHoZZ16w5 8MTsjMY/oFcYASQhoRr7OieufF1vzrWJq0yBSibgkaR1be7xeZW1WTwBt6rK22pzXdV5lP+XlVEA u1tMxQoxAM3qFpQAp9RtKGjn1YBdEJQLYuCsO5UnXuUunwDndlLIf5GU0d4IY2Qqow5YV/EjkEp+ HCsgAFkPFmKkf9SU1rrDTNuBS3w/DzoJlFecP6jVzzsI/Sltv5bAed6Vd3zFZsCa7/Qc+OTnsWBR JrMWbgGs7QKgP82BHsQ7CKCzfMfBn5Jjdw/d+Av+aUBERrH+GQAAACV0RVh0ZGF0ZTpjcmVhdGUA MjAyMS0wNi0xNVQxNTo0NjoyMCswMDowMARVSakAAAAldEVYdGRhdGU6bW9kaWZ5ADIwMjEtMDYt MTVUMTU6NDY6MjArMDA6MDB1CPEVAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC X-Now-Playing: Nobukazu Takemura's _Child's View_: "Crescent (Monika's Universe Mix)" Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 17:48:22 +0200 In-Reply-To: (henri-biard@francemel.fr's message of "Tue, 15 Jun 2021 17:23:52 +0200 (CEST)") Message-ID: <87o8c7ruwp.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: henri-biard@francemel.fr writes: > You might as well ban people considering you are getting in the habit > to close request anyway. We have no mechanisms to ban anybody. I was pointing out that if your "experiment" was to see how much you can abuse the bug reporting facilities (with trivial user questions that are already answered [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 49037 Cc: 49037@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) henri-biard@francemel.fr writes: > You might as well ban people considering you are getting in the habit > to close request anyway. We have no mechanisms to ban anybody. I was pointing out that if your "experiment" was to see how much you can abuse the bug reporting facilities (with trivial user questions that are already answered in the manual) before you get banned -- it's not going to happen, so you can just stop the experiment right away. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jun 15 11:55:14 2021 Received: (at 49037) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jun 2021 15:55:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50558 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ltBPG-0005zr-1x for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 11:55:14 -0400 Received: from mail-wm1-f50.google.com ([209.85.128.50]:42672) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ltBPE-0005zY-8U for 49037@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 11:55:12 -0400 Received: by mail-wm1-f50.google.com with SMTP id l7-20020a05600c1d07b02901b0e2ebd6deso2323350wms.1 for <49037@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 08:55:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=buGr2+kZ41irEAPplTvNpfuKIle0Rars4ZMHOCMap/I=; b=leQ9hblAgJES7eCQYTmPV75a7QTs4oPg4kK+O0O76cUzFLtf3nPJLVlbCBKzPtH10j stfvFbpqT5tyebREt9RP8I8C1pFh9pKEycrx+enJFlqjOz3E9O4V06owwq1TY6hnLjKF WyHYHoVa5a1rSU0uXhWyee7SpR8FWn6kc3Nccw/LhF6HC6YLMvoE/xYtDJeI+ut6yJo4 BVCi9/Aa4oJNnrNNguE5aQShMc98G/KUz0TkRhVf3GapIT2+kwq8OGR84pDsaiums5ed 8e+CWZEFkbJCBEPIwk4kmHpyTOa8pUsKVDEMAmatvRRXqk9SAQXVdgsxqictwD3buMHF Q/4g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=buGr2+kZ41irEAPplTvNpfuKIle0Rars4ZMHOCMap/I=; b=ooOK+JSUfAIDPPBUj5JbUqqZYFYiSYO8L/1mzuNXiSrPtJLb5/UBz/DKSuJW2SG9hK kx8KTJW/CXe4tp99gV4n94kDyTeba1GkwIg9Lj5tTg/OYO+Og6h/urxTMGWuqnvdT4e8 3SmfyUHBflIHXxJoU/uVhZ7Lshab9wIOH7Mg3PuhkXiXiHcdj2SdzmBx1IBgOp/zjFpq 7wD/LS/NTPOE3uPbShrbHbFruU4K12v2O+EFflmmR0YCAnXwYOIdvdu4vyKxmXt5ol4W c2zguz0AalJ/sy9vJNlxrWF72lhbSecjCMB/vTQrp06fIRZUPqWdGJ4pM34xtgAGB7Mh uyUQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532RMZQIwHNtcN/SGUaU/163SGKCSZjtaHPNlJ6qyZo9nSrBzcq8 ajsFtO8lPUe5+GffeoOiTAQSJM9zhbs= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwrVlS1svcjpwSca/tqQM6N+GCpLeck8qPHCznq04nPWfI0NO8jKsjAk7Z6qm6lomV9ol7J3g== X-Received: by 2002:a05:600c:ada:: with SMTP id c26mr6115355wmr.189.1623772506014; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 08:55:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rltb ([82.66.8.55]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t82sm457451wmf.22.2021.06.15.08.55.05 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 15 Jun 2021 08:55:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Pluim To: henri-biard@francemel.fr Subject: Re: bug#49037: flyspell word correction frustrating References: Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 17:55:04 +0200 In-Reply-To: (henri-biard@francemel.fr's message of "Tue, 15 Jun 2021 17:23:52 +0200 (CEST)") Message-ID: <87k0mvt95z.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 49037 Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 49037@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >>>>> On Tue, 15 Jun 2021 17:23:52 +0200 (CEST), henri-biard@francemel.fr s= aid: henri-biard> One developer full of shit trying to maintain a package wh= ilst closing=20 henri-biard> bug reports he doesn't like. Now the banning bullshit star= ts.=C2=A0=20 You reported a bug that was not a bug. Lars closed it, rapidly. And politely, unlike you. henri-biard> You might as well ban people considering you are getting i= n the habit to close request henri-biard> anyway. You'd prefer we left bugs that are not bugs open? (hmm, flyspell mode binds "C-." and "C-,", which don=CA=BCt work on tty. Perhaps we should invent alternate bindings, but that=CA=BCs a separate bugreport) Robert --=20 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jun 15 12:34:17 2021 Received: (at 49037) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jun 2021 16:34:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50598 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ltC12-0006xK-Q7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 12:34:17 -0400 Received: from ip-8.mailobj.net ([213.182.54.8]:43306 helo=msg-3.mailo.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ltC10-0006x6-9l for 49037@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 12:34:16 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=francemel.fr; s=mailo; t=1623774840; bh=/UM9iRGGwp02BNvng+pZntybb1YVBVDE3AqnayPAMyI=; h=X-EA-Auth:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:MIME-Version:X-Mailer: Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=moFys1O3ZQu2klu34Z3Ewh/o3+vUGnBk3g48caTGpeGJ55bsqEA878Snou+XfPpSl U3CH5Jsgg8rg6qJG8Ynvf9dPMEOPWcNrHDT5UUgN29yHdIBZFrNkwkc6JXGkxGIk7E N8U88Z9Eeq6OmQE9mfsLjmjp7Mnr9UR+QZViboho= Received: by www-7.mailo.com with http webmail; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 18:34:00 +0200 (CEST) X-EA-Auth: XadrpXHR+Jqo7gar5oiAb+y1NB6hKASxIx9hVnHMkXCFgLh7mHiyrxbEd8uIvR7REa+gYXfmaUO6mNE8SorxpKczNJX+ut4H From: henri-biard@francemel.fr To: "Lars Ingebrigtsen" Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 18:34:00 +0200 (CEST) Subject: bug#49037: flyspell word correction frustrating X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: COMS/EA21.01/r20210601 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <87o8c7ruwp.fsf@gnus.org> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_60c8d678_7da2_717af1a8" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 49037 Cc: 49037@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) ------=_NextPart_001_60c8d678_7da2_717af1a8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > We have no mechanisms to ban anybody.=20 Let's hope so.=C2=A0 But you brought it up, I believed you. I was pointing out that if your "experiment" was to see how much you can a= buse the bug reporting facilities (with trivial user questions that are already ans= wered in the manual) before you get banned -- it's not going to happen, so you can just= stop the experiment right away. It's has only been your conclusion about what you call "experiment". It is you who is inventing all these things.=C2=A0 At least Eli responds w= ell, with no accusations of sorts. Can you tell me exactly where the information is in the manual because I c= ould only find a reference to aspell in "16.4 Checking and Correcting Spelling" If it was good information I would not complain. Instead of delving into accusations, it is always better to educate and as= sume other are not as bad as you might believe. From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: henri-biard@francemel.fr Subject: bug#49037: flyspell word correction frustrating Date: 15/06/2021 17:48:22 Europe/Paris Cc: 49037@debbugs.gnu.org henri-biard@francemel.fr writes: > You might as well ban people considering you are getting in the habit > to close request anyway. We have no mechanisms to ban anybody. I was pointing out that if your "experiment" was to see how much you can abuse the bug reporting facilities (with trivial user questions that are already answered in the manual) before you get banned -- it's not going to happen, so you can just stop the experiment right away. --=20 (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no ------=_NextPart_001_60c8d678_7da2_717af1a8 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

> We have no mechanisms to ban anybody.

Let's hope so.=C2=A0 But you brought it up, I believed yo= u.

I was pointing out that if your "exper= iment" was to see how much you can abuse the
bug reporting = facilities (with trivial user questions that are already answered in the manual) before you get banned -- it's not going to happen, so you can just= stop the
experiment right away.

It's h= as only been your conclusion about what you call "experiment".

It is you who is inventing all these things.=C2=A0 A= t least Eli responds well, with no accusations
of sorts.

Can you tell me exactly where the information is in the ma= nual because I could only
find a reference to aspell in "16.= 4 Checking and Correcting Spelling"

If it was= good information I would not complain.

Instead of= delving into accusations, it is always better to educate and assume other<= /div>
are not as bad as you might believe.



From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <= larsi@gnus.org>
To: henri-biard@francemel.fr
Subject: bug#49037: flyspell word correction frustrating
Date: 15/06/2021 17:48:22 Europe/Paris
Cc: 49037@debbugs.gnu.org

henri-biard@francemel.fr writes:

> You might as well ban people considering you are getting in the habit=
> to close request anyway.

We have no mechanisms to ban anybody. I was pointing out that if your
= "experiment" was to see how much you can abuse the bug reporting=
facilities (with trivial user questions that are already answered in the manual) before you get banned -- it's not going to happen, so you can
just stop the experiment right away.

--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no



------=_NextPart_001_60c8d678_7da2_717af1a8-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jun 15 12:48:30 2021 Received: (at 49037) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jun 2021 16:48:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50620 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ltCEo-00013N-AZ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 12:48:30 -0400 Received: from msg-2.mailo.com ([213.182.54.12]:54700) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ltCEj-000136-QX for 49037@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 12:48:29 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=francemel.fr; s=mailo; t=1623775693; bh=5j7vNJ+xALF2yMRWkwoxkruByGWKmzQs1i5g9Q5enfw=; h=X-EA-Auth:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:MIME-Version:X-Mailer: Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=vY21hq2pRp1cpBaYAj62uP0zInn6oOE0j5n+F7QKqkXM7/JHDjeGb49APvSAR8Kxk 75G9aomcW3wKMJutyShurKjp6hBhq9A25leBxF2ObvWvejM9apyEQTeVT4eVeo1sS8 zeqvsC+OdO0zfNKULWxvUJ2lUMjDY3oFHBgqhe7k= Received: by www-7.mailo.com with http webmail; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 18:48:13 +0200 (CEST) X-EA-Auth: qjdWp+XDWi/k5jl/0MM0h2E297s3Rr+LsYNTvZvktD96GiuQEKQGFuDPUuQWI2/hTM8RKhdZj4DFCoKpudRQAN7cFei4W/Yc From: henri-biard@francemel.fr To: "Robert Pluim" Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 18:48:13 +0200 (CEST) Subject: bug#49037: flyspell word correction frustrating X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: COMS/EA21.01/r20210601 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <87k0mvt95z.fsf@gmail.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_60c8d9cd_c48_4bb44445" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 49037 Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 49037@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) ------=_NextPart_001_60c8d9cd_c48_4bb44445 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Politely ??? He closed and continued with >I didn't read the rest of the bug report -- you previously said (under a >different name) that you were a "journalist" performing some sort of >"experiment". If the experiment is to test how many irrelevant bug >reports you can file before getting banned (or something similar) -- >please stop the experiment. Can see how it is extremely polite !=C2=A0 Full of accusations about user'= s ill will. Things do not become pleasant because one adds please at the end. >You'd prefer we left bugs that are not bugs open? No, but people need time to respond and get some clarifications.=C2=A0 We = all understand that a bug report gets closed.=C2=A0 Have worked in many places where bug = reports just need some clarification. Where can one report on fixes (things one could technically argue are not = fundamentally bugs) or to discuss improvements ? You contributed to the conversation=20 >(hmm, flyspell mode binds "C-." and "C-,", which don=CA=BCt work on >tty. Perhaps we should invent alternate bindings, but that=CA=BCs a >separate bugreport) This has nothing to do with the bug report, but I get the lynching, and yo= u don't. From: Robert Pluim To: henri-biard@francemel.fr Subject: bug#49037: flyspell word correction frustrating Date: 15/06/2021 17:55:04 Europe/Paris Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen ; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A049037@debbugs.gnu.org >>>>> On Tue, 15 Jun 2021 17:23:52 +0200 (CEST), henri-biard@francemel.fr = said: henri-biard> One developer full of shit trying to maintain a package whils= t closing=20 henri-biard> bug reports he doesn't like. Now the banning bullshit starts.= =C2=A0=20 You reported a bug that was not a bug. Lars closed it, rapidly. And politely, unlike you. henri-biard> You might as well ban people considering you are getting in t= he habit to close request henri-biard> anyway. You'd prefer we left bugs that are not bugs open? (hmm, flyspell mode binds "C-." and "C-,", which don=CA=BCt work on tty. Perhaps we should invent alternate bindings, but that=CA=BCs a separate bugreport) Robert --=20 ------=_NextPart_001_60c8d9cd_c48_4bb44445 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Politely ???

He closed and continued with=

>I didn't read the rest of the bug report = -- you previously said (under a
>different name) that you were a "journalist" performing some= sort of
>"experiment". If the experiment is to test how many irrelev= ant bug
>reports you can file before getting banned (or something similar) --
>please stop the experiment.

Can see how it is= extremely polite !=C2=A0 Full of accusations about user's ill will.
Things do not become pleasant because one adds please at the end.

>You'd prefer we left bugs that are not bugs= open?

No, but people need time to respond and get= some clarifications.=C2=A0 We all understand
that a bug report g= ets closed.=C2=A0 Have worked in many places where bug reports
ju= st need some clarification.

Where can one repo= rt on fixes (things one could technically argue are not fundamentally
=
bugs) or to discuss improvements ?

You co= ntributed to the conversation

>(hmm, flysp= ell mode binds "C-." and "C-,", which don=CA=BCt work o= n
>tty. Perhaps we should invent alternate bindings, but that=CA=BCs a >separate bugreport)

This has nothing to do wi= th the bug report, but I get the lynching, and you don't.

From: Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com>
= To: henri-biard@francemel.fr
Subject: bug#49037: flyspell word correction frustrating
Date: 15/06/2021 17:55:04 Europe/Paris
Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>;
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A049037@debbugs.gnu.org

>>>>> On Tue, 15 Jun 2021 17:23:52 +0200 (CEST), henri-biar= d@francemel.fr said:

henri-biard> One developer full of shit trying to maintain a packag= e whilst closing
henri-biard> bug reports he doesn't like. Now the banning bullshit = starts.=C2=A0

You reported a bug that was not a bug. Lars closed it, rapidly. And
politely, unlike you.

henri-biard> You might as well ban people considering you are getti= ng in the habit to close request
henri-biard> anyway.

You'd prefer we left bugs that are not bugs open?

(hmm, flyspell mode binds "C-." and "C-,", which don= =CA=BCt work on
tty. Perhaps we should invent alternate bindings, but that=CA=BCs a
separate bugreport)

Robert
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------=_NextPart_001_60c8d9cd_c48_4bb44445-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jun 15 12:54:30 2021 Received: (at 49037) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jun 2021 16:54:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50644 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ltCKb-0001DZ-UB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 12:54:30 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:35364) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ltCKZ-0001DK-Me for 49037@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 12:54:28 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:35204) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ltCKU-0007LX-1R; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 12:54:22 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:4980 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ltCKS-0007zo-LT; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 12:54:21 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 19:54:21 +0300 Message-Id: <837div3w76.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: henri-biard@francemel.fr In-Reply-To: (henri-biard@francemel.fr) Subject: Re: bug#49037: flyspell word correction frustrating References: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 49037 Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 49037@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: henri-biard@francemel.fr > Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 18:34:00 +0200 (CEST) > Cc: 49037@debbugs.gnu.org > > Can you tell me exactly where the information is in the manual because I could only > find a reference to aspell in "16.4 Checking and Correcting Spelling" That's the place. > If it was good information I would not complain. What is not good about it? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jun 15 13:09:09 2021 Received: (at 49037) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jun 2021 17:09:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50677 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ltCYn-0001fB-7L for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 13:09:09 -0400 Received: from ip-8.mailobj.net ([213.182.54.8]:45542 helo=msg-3.mailo.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ltCYk-0001eY-NL for 49037@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 13:09:07 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=francemel.fr; s=mailo; t=1623776929; bh=JfpMFUDQIB+pBTso9+q9tgeBmI8oZZQaXIfmgxsI6vM=; h=X-EA-Auth:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:MIME-Version:X-Mailer: Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=Em7FSj7iVxRPj6zW8NEelu32qsaUXVxZJ2slm2sjYJyfB0Xkh9wIf3dqUGhTmNMV3 WzM9txcIeRXPKL4gCdhIZG9qnq4IjNCA6DhII396xb6IgYH9tttSRFdDxfRxN8X5Km UwpRTu1TtUkwY1QAPjUtp0WX5DKKZ91zNzFAtgwk= Received: by www-7.mailo.com with http webmail; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 19:08:48 +0200 (CEST) X-EA-Auth: dnoq969VdkoJWX1iObgmaf2qdDy+i61n5B5pVmBI89tLgOIWWUYCemupF20FgSlWDXtj4LasGtiTxMLmhKKxRdUe5ZO85CKP From: henri-biard@francemel.fr To: "Eli Zaretskii" Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 19:08:48 +0200 (CEST) Subject: bug#49037: flyspell word correction frustrating X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: COMS/EA21.01/r20210601 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <837div3w76.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_60c8dea0_1e4e_403b1ce0" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 49037 Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 49037@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) ------=_NextPart_001_60c8dea0_1e4e_403b1ce0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> If it was good information I would not complain. >What is not good about it? For instance: 1. It does not tell me that aspell is the default 2. It does not tell me that even when I use ispell-word, it might actually do something else (aspell-word maybe). 3. It does not describe that it searches PATH. I could delve into that and add to the documentation.=C2=A0 It has some in= formation but not comprehensive enough to actually set things up in practice without any doubt.=20 These comments were written to help based on my experience. From: Eli Zaretskii To: henri-biard@francemel.fr Subject: bug#49037: flyspell word correction frustrating Date: 15/06/2021 18:54:21 Europe/Paris Cc: larsi@gnus.org; =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A049037@debbugs.gnu.org > From: henri-biard@francemel.fr > Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 18:34:00 +0200 (CEST) > Cc: 49037@debbugs.gnu.org >=20 > Can you tell me exactly where the information is in the manual because I= could only > find a reference to aspell in "16.4 Checking and Correcting Spelling" That's the place. > If it was good information I would not complain. What is not good about it? ------=_NextPart_001_60c8dea0_1e4e_403b1ce0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> If it was good information I would not complain.

>What is not good about it?

For instance:

1. It does not tell me that aspell is the default

2. It does not tell me that even when I use ispell-wor= d, it might actually
do something else (aspell-word maybe).
=

3. It does not describe that it searches PATH.

I could delve into that and add to the documentation.= =C2=A0 It has some information
but not comprehensive enough to ac= tually set things up in practice without
any doubt.

These comments were written to help based on my experience= .




From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: henri-biard@francemel.fr
Subject: bug#49037: flyspell word correction frustrating
Date: 15/06/2021 18:54:21 Europe/Paris
Cc: larsi@gnus.org;
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A049037@debbugs.gnu.org

> From: henri-biard@francemel.fr
> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 18:34:00 +0200 (CEST)
> Cc: 49037@debbugs.gnu.org
>
> Can you tell me exactly where the information is in the manual becaus= e I could only
> find a reference to aspell in "16.4 Checking and Correcting Spel= ling"

That's the place.

> If it was good information I would not complain.

What is not good about it?



------=_NextPart_001_60c8dea0_1e4e_403b1ce0-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jun 15 13:33:56 2021 Received: (at 49037) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jun 2021 17:33:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50694 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ltCwm-0004TE-7D for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 13:33:56 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:47036) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ltCwl-0004T3-Hx for 49037@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 13:33:55 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:36312) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ltCwf-0007T2-MX; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 13:33:50 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:3424 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ltCwf-0003Aa-BA; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 13:33:49 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 20:33:50 +0300 Message-Id: <831r933udd.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: henri-biard@francemel.fr In-Reply-To: (henri-biard@francemel.fr) Subject: Re: bug#49037: flyspell word correction frustrating References: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 49037 Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 49037@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: henri-biard@francemel.fr > Cc: larsi@gnus.org, > 49037@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 19:08:48 +0200 (CEST) > > >> If it was good information I would not complain. > > >What is not good about it? > > For instance: > > 1. It does not tell me that aspell is the default Why should it? You set up your system with whatever spell-checker you want, and Emacs uses that. It is not Emacs's business to tell you which spell-checker to install and use. > 2. It does not tell me that even when I use ispell-word, it might actually > do something else (aspell-word maybe). ispell-word is a command, it is unrelated to the program being invoked. The manual clearly says that those commands can work with any one of the 4 supported spell-checkers. > 3. It does not describe that it searches PATH. That's an implementation detail. If you want to know those details, you have the source to read and study. The user manual explains how to use the commands, not how the commands work. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jun 15 13:59:55 2021 Received: (at 49037) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jun 2021 17:59:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50710 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ltDLv-00055n-8D for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 13:59:55 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:52952) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ltDLt-00055X-KS for 49037@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 13:59:53 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:36880) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ltDLo-0006l7-8h; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 13:59:48 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ltDLn-0003UL-4C; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 13:59:47 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#49037: flyspell word correction frustrating References: <87o8c7ruwp.fsf@gnus.org> X-Spook: interception SEAL Delta Force EuroFed Al Qa'ida colonel X-Ran: pfSZaCwae0d+m.A:(h8Ag^r9(ertH:b%Yl+W0osdbV%m!`8K=v>5#}AZ'j8{T|e#Dl>)aU X-Hue: brightblue X-Attribution: GM Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 13:59:47 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87o8c7ruwp.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Tue, 15 Jun 2021 17:48:22 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 49037 Cc: 49037@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > We have no mechanisms to ban anybody. FTR, postings to debbugs are moderated via a standard mailman interface. Of course, that is trivial to circumvent for a determined bad actor. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jun 15 14:24:46 2021 Received: (at 49037) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jun 2021 18:24:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50801 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ltDjx-0005nj-OX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 14:24:46 -0400 Received: from msg-1.mailo.com ([213.182.54.11]:37084) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ltDjw-0005nV-D6 for 49037@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 14:24:44 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=francemel.fr; s=mailo; t=1623781467; bh=gkvCUTPwZ41JxV3EpthNWqN9zYhVKn4ModQbMY9V8ss=; h=X-EA-Auth:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:MIME-Version:X-Mailer: Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=TfY9QH87qaV76sdJwbS80c/Wh17yWyGLWvo3O3Mgxy6gDsRdR3bfxyYNT7mxkIL2X w9mTB8JFLRPAT2FKrGb6zAMxqA5ktTelZGp8cSH/hzbMr1v+sPfim2mlMA0oVGyVo6 GMexw+jQUx9eVlzHo1QvI/y4xVOKg1CxI0Sstwfo= Received: by www-7.mailo.com with http webmail; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 20:24:27 +0200 (CEST) X-EA-Auth: lsbrpWHYELgGpHYT2q49odtNwqJLGIZSxKtLDjerUqPjWY5dacIlLo+KoiHsSsG5Rv6NL7JWRRM8E5VQ/zCUnuPxr/BDIKnR From: henri-biard@francemel.fr To: "Eli Zaretskii" Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 20:24:27 +0200 (CEST) Subject: bug#49037: flyspell word correction frustrating X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: COMS/EA21.01/r20210601 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <831r933udd.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_60c8f05b_5b74_2eab9b55" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 49037 Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 49037@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) ------=_NextPart_001_60c8f05b_5b74_2eab9b55 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >From: Eli Zaretskii >To: henri-biard@francemel.fr >Subject: Re: bug#49037: flyspell word correction frustrating >Date: 15/06/2021 19:33:50 Europe/Paris >Cc: larsi@gnus.org; >=C2=A0=C2=A0 49037@debbugs.gnu.org >> From: henri-biard@francemel.fr >> Cc: larsi@gnus.org, >> 49037@debbugs.gnu.org >> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 19:08:48 +0200 (CEST) >>=20 >> >> If it was good information I would not complain. >>=20 >> >What is not good about it? >>=20 >> For instance: >>=20 >> 1. It does not tell me that aspell is the default >Why should it? You set up your system with whatever spell-checker you >want, and Emacs uses that. It is not Emacs's business to tell you >which spell-checker to install and use. I have multiple ones and make comparisons between them.=C2=A0 So I really = want to know what it uses.=C2=A0 After all the information is there and that is what em= acs actually does. Should I not be able to easily know what it is doing under the hood.=C2=A0= Emacs Self Documentation should help me with that. >> 2. It does not tell me that even when I use ispell-word, it might actua= lly >> do something else (aspell-word maybe). >ispell-word is a command, it is unrelated to the program being >invoked. The manual clearly says that those commands can work with >any one of the 4 supported spell-checkers. >> 3. It does not describe that it searches PATH. >That's an implementation detail. If you want to know those details, >you have the source to read and study. The user manual explains how >to use the commands, not how the commands work. Explains with no examples or much description of ispell-program-name, whic= h for me is very important. Because Gnu Aspell was designed to replace Ispell, how about deprecating I= spell and simply have emacs-ispell be the general framework for orthographic stu= dy. That would certainly solve the problem. Would appreciate if you do not consider me a "Bad Actor".=C2=A0=20 ------=_NextPart_001_60c8f05b_5b74_2eab9b55 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
>To: henri-biard@francemel.fr
>Subject: Re: bug#49037: flyspell word correction frustrating
>Date: 15/06/2021 19:33:50 Europe/Paris
>Cc: larsi@gnus.org;
>=C2=A0=C2=A0 49037@debbugs.gnu.org

>> From: henri-biard@francemel.fr
>> Cc: larsi@gnus.org,
>> 49037@debbugs.gnu.org
>> Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 19:08:48 +0200 (CEST)
>>
>> >> If it was good information I would not complain.
>>
>> >What is not good about it?
>>
>> For instance:
>>
>> 1. It does not tell me that aspell is the default

>Why should it? You set up your system with whatever spell-checker you=
>want, and Emacs uses that. It is not Emacs's business to tell you
= >which spell-checker to install and use.

I have multiple ones and make comparisons between them= .=C2=A0 So I really want to know
what it uses.=C2=A0 After all th= e information is there and that is what emacs actually does.
Shou= ld I not be able to easily know what it is doing under the hood.=C2=A0 Emac= s Self
Documentation should help me with that.

=
>> 2. It does not tell me that even when I use ispell-word, it might= actually
>> do something else (aspell-word maybe).

>ispell-word is a command, it is unrelated to the program being
>invoked. The manual clearly says that those commands can work with >any one of the 4 supported spell-checkers.

>> 3. It does not describe that it searches PATH.

>That's an implementation detail. If you want to know those details, >you have the source to read and study. The user manual explains how
>to use the commands, not how the commands work.

Explains with no examples or much description of ispell-program-name, wh= ich
for me is very important.

Because Gn= u Aspell was designed to replace Ispell, how about deprecating Ispell
=
and simply have emacs-ispell be the general framework for orthographic= study.

That would certainly solve the problem.

Would appreciate if you do not consider me a "B= ad Actor".=C2=A0


------=_NextPart_001_60c8f05b_5b74_2eab9b55-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jun 15 14:29:33 2021 Received: (at 49037) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jun 2021 18:29:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50815 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ltDob-0005v3-JZ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 14:29:33 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:60940) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ltDoZ-0005uq-S8 for 49037@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 14:29:32 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:37864) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ltDoT-0008N3-4l; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 14:29:25 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:2866 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ltDoS-0002ZR-IY; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 14:29:25 -0400 Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 21:29:22 +0300 Message-Id: <83sg1j2d8d.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: henri-biard@francemel.fr In-Reply-To: (henri-biard@francemel.fr) Subject: Re: bug#49037: flyspell word correction frustrating References: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 49037 Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 49037@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: henri-biard@francemel.fr > Cc: larsi@gnus.org, > 49037@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 20:24:27 +0200 (CEST) > > >> 1. It does not tell me that aspell is the default > > >Why should it? You set up your system with whatever spell-checker you > >want, and Emacs uses that. It is not Emacs's business to tell you > >which spell-checker to install and use. > > I have multiple ones and make comparisons between them. So I really want to know > what it uses. After all the information is there and that is what emacs actually does. > Should I not be able to easily know what it is doing under the hood. Emacs Self > Documentation should help me with that. Documentation cannot tell everything; if it tried, it'd become too long and hard to read. The details you are after are in the source code; the documentation of each variable has a link to the source, where you can see the gory details. > >> 3. It does not describe that it searches PATH. > > >That's an implementation detail. If you want to know those details, > >you have the source to read and study. The user manual explains how > >to use the commands, not how the commands work. > > Explains with no examples or much description of ispell-program-name, which > for me is very important. Yours is a rare situation, so you shouldn't expect it to be covered in the general documentation. > Because Gnu Aspell was designed to replace Ispell, how about deprecating Ispell > and simply have emacs-ispell be the general framework for orthographic study. We already did that. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jun 15 15:35:31 2021 Received: (at 49037) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jun 2021 19:35:31 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50881 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ltEqQ-0001Gq-VN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 15:35:31 -0400 Received: from msg-2.mailo.com ([213.182.54.12]:35622) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ltEqP-0001Gd-AZ for 49037@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 15:35:29 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=francemel.fr; s=mailo; t=1623785707; bh=a3GKibEOwf9DKtv4Zn7NhD6La+R00D5mG//KE9/KAFo=; h=X-EA-Auth:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:MIME-Version:X-Mailer: Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=lxW3eefa1Fj2iyMldQgTW3pTEAy6D3wE2efeUrCWDyIx0PGQGQ/TRda+oUzHiYGUI iv4RmlhM5eirZjDeWszcNVwYEhu01XztXaiq4+6A47zpJieXfLYGlZnD6car9d74dR rxaNimum7OXXX7uURYKXwK1iSWgKdxZySyRbYy2w= Received: by www-7.mailo.com with http webmail; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 21:35:07 +0200 (CEST) X-EA-Auth: hFLvMreKSXCkEnGQvqBy6kIaBhKj4GvV1r59dWJ8ISx/cD1DgeNHB9+7EwujfFe++9rkH12SOza6/4DSAzThONcIQQBn0TVF From: henri-biard@francemel.fr To: "Eli Zaretskii" Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 21:35:07 +0200 (CEST) Subject: bug#49037: flyspell word correction frustrating X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: COMS/EA21.01/r20210601 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <83sg1j2d8d.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_60c900eb_12e0_ce80db7" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 49037 Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 49037@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) ------=_NextPart_001_60c900eb_12e0_ce80db7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> >That's an implementation detail. If you want to know those details, >> >you have the source to read and study. The user manual explains how >> >to use the commands, not how the commands work. >>=20 >> Explains with no examples or much description of ispell-program-name, w= hich >> for me is very important. >Yours is a rare situation, so you shouldn't expect it to be covered in >the general documentation. Then I suggest maintainers stop making accusations on users simply because= their use case is a rare occurrence.=C2=A0 One cannot expect politeness once you den= igrate others about what is impartant to them or what they are trying to do.=20 It occurs to me that you do understand, and would be a big improvement if = others=20 follow your example. Many Gratitudes Eli. ------=_NextPart_001_60c900eb_12e0_ce80db7 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> >That's an implementation detail. If you want to know those det= ails,
>> >you have the source to read and study. The user manual explai= ns how
>> >to use the commands, not how the commands work.
>>
>> Explains with no examples or much description of ispell-program-n= ame, which
>> for me is very important.

>Yours is a rare situation, so you shouldn't expect it to be covered in=
>the general documentation.

Then I suggest maintainers stop making accusations on users simpl= y because their use
case is a rare occurrence.=C2=A0 One cannot = expect politeness once you denigrate others
about what is imparta= nt to them or what they are trying to do.

It = occurs to me that you do understand, and would be a big improvement if othe= rs
follow your example.

Many Gratit= udes Eli.




------=_NextPart_001_60c900eb_12e0_ce80db7-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jun 15 16:01:04 2021 Received: (at 49037) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jun 2021 20:01:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50910 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ltFFA-0001tp-5c for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 16:01:04 -0400 Received: from msg-1.mailo.com ([213.182.54.11]:41834) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ltFF8-0001t7-6M for 49037@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 16:01:02 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=francemel.fr; s=mailo; t=1623787245; bh=HEPv5xlYzFKxMzDHfZrOjNF7X+I30ei89sPnbmWQxw0=; h=X-EA-Auth:From:To:Cc:Date:Subject:MIME-Version:X-Mailer: Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=jSukGQxt1OaZ7j6SUMRBKdxPzg7Dmm09PxjBIM382EHpngIpvFfwU163qHoSiDqj4 q4LpWaAnkfpGuv0iB2NAGGxCa1f3+UIDncmQajzEiC5Qk7BGzMehp99b40WusGHNWf QpiY5NInxsyKPnNsYiFXbar+G6fz5BvXuBsA0f3U= Received: by www-7.mailo.com with http webmail; Tue, 15 Jun 2021 22:00:44 +0200 (CEST) X-EA-Auth: jGpm7KQvNydnk4coOQwl/sInDKvWH82qYjhV589eQtfQBnABR0Ornx+jqMLkyguhKb8z080uNgyAiAcelks9a3s7dCZhuBV7 From: henri-biard@francemel.fr To: "Eli Zaretskii" Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2021 22:00:44 +0200 (CEST) Subject: bug#49037: flyspell word correction frustrating X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: COMS/EA21.01/r20210601 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <83sg1j2d8d.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_60c906ec_25ae_7364681d" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 49037 Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 49037@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) ------=_NextPart_001_60c906ec_25ae_7364681d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Could you make ispell use the minibuffer for correction instead of making = a separate temporary buffer?=C2=A0 With the possibility of using the arrow keys for s= election, taking ideas from ivy.=C2=A0 Is there an icomplete vertical in official emacs?=C2=A0 It= would be neat to have. ------=_NextPart_001_60c906ec_25ae_7364681d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Could you make ispell use the minibuffer for correction instead of= making a separate
temporary buffer?=C2=A0 With the possibility o= f using the arrow keys for selection, taking ideas
from ivy.=C2= =A0 Is there an icomplete vertical in official emacs?=C2=A0 It would be nea= t to have.
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