From unknown Thu Sep 11 04:20:52 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#4897 <4897@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#4897 <4897@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 23.1.50; Info-index and ? in minibuffer Reply-To: bug#4897 <4897@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2025 11:20:52 +0000 retitle 4897 23.1.50; Info-index and ? in minibuffer reassign 4897 emacs submitter 4897 Helmut Eller severity 4897 wishlist tag 4897 wontfix thanks From eller.helmut@gmail.com Tue Nov 10 00:55:38 2009 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 10 Nov 2009 08:55:38 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=4.0 tests=AWL autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id nAA8tbL6001582 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 00:55:38 -0800 Received: from mx10.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:58692) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1N7mVk-0002cR-Fq for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 03:55:36 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1N7mVi-0005Yp-QM for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 03:55:36 -0500 Received: from dial-176169.pool.broadband44.net ([212.46.176.169]:58930 helo=ix) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1N7mVi-0005YM-E2 for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 03:55:34 -0500 Received: from helmut by ix with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N7m3V-0001wb-Sf for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:26:25 +0100 From: Helmut Eller To: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org Subject: 23.1.50; Info-index and ? in minibuffer Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:26:25 +0100 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Greylist: delayed 1745 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at monty-python; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 03:55:33 EST The key binding for ? in the minibuffer can be very annoying for the Info-index command. Some languages, e.g. Forth or Scheme, have the convention to append a question mark to predicate names and so typing a plain ? is needed rather often. Also, ? seems to do almost the same as TAB. Please make ? a self-inserting command in the minibuffer. Helmut From rgm@gnu.org Wed Nov 11 23:24:01 2009 Received: (at 4897) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 12 Nov 2009 07:24:02 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.3 required=4.0 tests=AWL,HAS_BUG_NUMBER, VALID_BTS_CONTROL,X_DEBBUGS_NO_ACK autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id nAC7NxGm002056; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:24:01 -0800 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1N8U2A-0003pm-TU; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 02:23:59 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: Helmut Eller Cc: 4897@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#4897: 23.1.50; Info-index and ? in minibuffer References: X-Spook: pre-emptive Lon Horiuchi Consul INS Geraldton CDC benelux X-Ran: BojRMcD6NL30'S&2s&'xJ?uXbUG4Y)Z(=-evc}j~]C:R?StGgUY]bw3{Mtv[#0h++}.#8? X-Hue: green X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 02:23:58 -0500 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii severity 4897 wishlist stop Helmut Eller wrote: > The key binding for ? in the minibuffer can be very annoying for the > Info-index command. It behaves the same way as in the stand-alone info reader. You can use `C-q ?' for a literal '?'. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Nov 02 01:25:17 2019 Received: (at 4897) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Nov 2019 05:25:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57969 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQluX-0007qE-9G for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Nov 2019 01:25:17 -0400 Received: from host.gofardesign.uk ([208.79.239.190]:41615) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQluV-0007pv-AH for 4897@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Nov 2019 01:25:15 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=marxist.se; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=ZiPn6XvnTX1OZYtn4VFgisXL3lymlOkQKbx3Rx086kY=; b=BA6AtpCZ2yGJ/3LzRK6wLTrZDK 6YdnudW7FqSohDAng9/0FAlJ5gYcWEZCKaD/H53/MC7ptL3R9gEWhj9og2UQTHdNCuPL54AazPTZE tnzXBUds13OFyrLV+6CsX/SZjLJusphhG2FdQ35Dx9i0W17Q/6BNXzDCzQI3ZzeFJCmk=; Received: from h-70-69.a785.priv.bahnhof.se ([155.4.70.69]:44000 helo=localhost) by host.gofardesign.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1iQluP-0003lm-Fr; Sat, 02 Nov 2019 00:25:10 -0500 From: Stefan Kangas To: Glenn Morris Subject: Re: bug#4897: 23.1.50; Info-index and ? in minibuffer In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Thu, 12 Nov 2009 02:23:58 -0500") References: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2019 06:25:07 +0100 Message-ID: <87sgn6hmto.fsf@marxist.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-OutGoing-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host.gofardesign.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - debbugs.gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - marxist.se X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: host.gofardesign.uk: authenticated_id: stefan@marxist.se X-Authenticated-Sender: host.gofardesign.uk: stefan@marxist.se X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 4897 Cc: Helmut Eller , 4897@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Glenn Morris writes: > severity 4897 wishlist > stop > > Helmut Eller wrote: > >> The key binding for ? in the minibuffer can be very annoying for the >> Info-index command. > > It behaves the same way as in the stand-alone info reader. > You can use `C-q ?' for a literal '?'. IMO, it would be better to remove the "?" binding. One could use the more natural "TAB" binding instead. However, given that this is very long-standing behaviour, can we really change it now? Any opinions? Best regards, Stefan Kangas From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Nov 02 04:17:49 2019 Received: (at 4897) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Nov 2019 08:17:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58051 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQobU-0001bV-Sd for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Nov 2019 04:17:49 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:42938) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQobT-0001bD-Bc for 4897@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Nov 2019 04:17:47 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:50460) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iQobN-000894-Uk; Sat, 02 Nov 2019 04:17:41 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4163 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iQobM-0005Xx-Sj; Sat, 02 Nov 2019 04:17:41 -0400 Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2019 10:17:45 +0200 Message-Id: <83eeyqk7yu.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Stefan Kangas In-reply-to: <87sgn6hmto.fsf@marxist.se> (message from Stefan Kangas on Sat, 02 Nov 2019 06:25:07 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#4897: 23.1.50; Info-index and ? in minibuffer References: <87sgn6hmto.fsf@marxist.se> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 4897 Cc: rgm@gnu.org, eller.helmut@gmail.com, 4897@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2019 06:25:07 +0100 > Cc: Helmut Eller , 4897@debbugs.gnu.org > > >> The key binding for ? in the minibuffer can be very annoying for the > >> Info-index command. > > > > It behaves the same way as in the stand-alone info reader. > > You can use `C-q ?' for a literal '?'. > > IMO, it would be better to remove the "?" binding. One could use > the more natural "TAB" binding instead. > > However, given that this is very long-standing behaviour, can we > really change it now? Any opinions? It is very unusual for an index entry to include the question mark, so I think the case for the change is quite weak. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Nov 02 04:54:56 2019 Received: (at 4897) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Nov 2019 08:54:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58094 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQpBQ-0002Yl-0H for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Nov 2019 04:54:56 -0400 Received: from mail-pl1-f170.google.com ([209.85.214.170]:34075) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQpBN-0002YK-TK for 4897@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Nov 2019 04:54:54 -0400 Received: by mail-pl1-f170.google.com with SMTP id k7so5390336pll.1 for <4897@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 02 Nov 2019 01:54:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=2AM77OkaBM3588toc4b3dLvu6/RiLGSOgf8jIvKSgIE=; b=Y3dbzEhp3L4IpfL3kYz3qrIJ3uTry1R4zbFWPjchFarFK0o0f136vVPWtj701VIZYt S9ya0r/R1+lDjBIosC+clZdNuTo8gg8+nq0+4pbZcAnBqwmsnmlv8Ot5IziV+bcHJHM4 DCv8nbQHGwBojRx+ayYaWhkZID1BQhfJJRLwRgYusQqeh13sgVT96GJR5DbrT2VzVaGP Omz+9oZuW0CRE0T6NoKpoZR9xqnUVVpNaCJwX/JkdFubsM8LHs8Qf6JzB0+WsSe3VxH7 MOzwj/OxZ3VZ9Kv+fgTXqbcwliSkcaZZnBrAUqKfBk31fUjt6JrFrpYbOtVD+RfTnIWh 69cw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAU/XR//qk2FYRyrwmjxB31qszkcC5V/sH2ZND+MzE9qwbRJ+yPQ T7ENjfF5bSo22bExdMymA7/fwllpSrg+1IzTLm8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxPwNzCghRbz5shXmjbeMPcT6+beQ92hVmQQLdC3DnZ/lfwyodiBQqWICT0/w/ru8PkHKB4U8mFQ6Ivmv3ZBVM= X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:7002:: with SMTP id y2mr9935898plk.251.1572684886902; Sat, 02 Nov 2019 01:54:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87sgn6hmto.fsf@marxist.se> <83eeyqk7yu.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <83eeyqk7yu.fsf@gnu.org> From: Stefan Kangas Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 09:54:35 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#4897: 23.1.50; Info-index and ? in minibuffer To: Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 4897 Cc: Glenn Morris , eller.helmut@gmail.com, 4897@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) tags 4897 + wontfix close 4897 thanks Eli Zaretskii : > > > From: Stefan Kangas > > Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2019 06:25:07 +0100 > > Cc: Helmut Eller , 4897@debbugs.gnu.org > > > > >> The key binding for ? in the minibuffer can be very annoying for the > > >> Info-index command. > > > > > > It behaves the same way as in the stand-alone info reader. > > > You can use `C-q ?' for a literal '?'. > > > > IMO, it would be better to remove the "?" binding. One could use > > the more natural "TAB" binding instead. > > > > However, given that this is very long-standing behaviour, can we > > really change it now? Any opinions? > > It is very unusual for an index entry to include the question mark, so > I think the case for the change is quite weak. That makes sense. I'm consequently closing the bug as wontfix. Best regards, Stefan Kangas From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Nov 02 11:22:55 2019 Received: (at 4897) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Nov 2019 15:22:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32879 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQvEt-0002cf-2u for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Nov 2019 11:22:55 -0400 Received: from aserp2120.oracle.com ([141.146.126.78]:38884) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQvEq-0002cO-8w for 4897@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Nov 2019 11:22:53 -0400 Received: from pps.filterd (aserp2120.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp2120.oracle.com (8.16.0.27/8.16.0.27) with SMTP id xA2FGZCJ156090; Sat, 2 Nov 2019 15:22:46 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2019-08-05; bh=rEdzikDC+QUd7nh+zeNwEYKBr0ptg1y7FNXIrPI2V58=; b=FVrrRGUGuuXbD3YwQigZ4dHyWCegSYsPUQy+PLZp5gCu3KwcjZnOguq+J0+SS8br0w6o BRUBND1odhYl4dVlR5HSTjs8l/VTDInWx0iJQHtDRTZUb18/9tKwNd36IY5+Pq86Rbyq Bnz9iAJEylUkdZcw2znmeoWlunDSagM6gAK1qoPtRwpECf6CyFnb7cP96FZr1iMQonSX JJKmS+PN1wiBKUY5zpSkto8tOaK1iHUMNrfkvQjh2SW/hidZFGFaLDi6YbiYDaA/UPgP 2Xqq3WnE/Pl/D3QW8kBmKgECDKxxBOP0+KNxs5+OioOhtz3OzQmMD4fE/IvJ0uTOia+F rg== Received: from aserp3020.oracle.com (aserp3020.oracle.com [141.146.126.70]) by aserp2120.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2w11rphnvk-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 02 Nov 2019 15:22:46 +0000 Received: from pps.filterd (aserp3020.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp3020.oracle.com (8.16.0.27/8.16.0.27) with SMTP id xA2FFGX7043145; Sat, 2 Nov 2019 15:22:45 GMT Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by aserp3020.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2w11mhpusf-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 02 Nov 2019 15:22:45 +0000 Received: from abhmp0018.oracle.com (abhmp0018.oracle.com [141.146.116.24]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id xA2FMeSD021996; Sat, 2 Nov 2019 15:22:40 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 08:22:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Stefan Kangas , Glenn Morris Subject: RE: bug#4897: 23.1.50; Info-index and ? in minibuffer References: <87sgn6hmto.fsf@marxist.se> In-Reply-To: <87sgn6hmto.fsf@marxist.se> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4900.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9429 signatures=668685 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=849 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1908290000 definitions=main-1911020149 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9429 signatures=668685 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 lowpriorityscore=0 mlxscore=0 impostorscore=0 mlxlogscore=948 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1908290000 definitions=main-1911020149 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 4897 Cc: Helmut Eller , 4897@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > > It behaves the same way as in the stand-alone info reader. > > You can use `C-q ?' for a literal '?'. >=20 > IMO, it would be better to remove the "?" binding. One could use > the more natural "TAB" binding instead. >=20 > However, given that this is very long-standing behaviour, can we > really change it now? Any opinions? One opinion: go ahead and remove it. Anyone who really wants it can add it back individually. But it would be good to hear from others, including anyone who uses it. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Nov 02 11:39:09 2019 Received: (at 4897) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Nov 2019 15:39:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32887 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQvUb-000331-GU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Nov 2019 11:39:09 -0400 Received: from aserp2120.oracle.com ([141.146.126.78]:53312) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQvUZ-00032d-WB for 4897@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Nov 2019 11:39:08 -0400 Received: from pps.filterd (aserp2120.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp2120.oracle.com (8.16.0.27/8.16.0.27) with SMTP id xA2Fcdhg169313; Sat, 2 Nov 2019 15:39:01 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2019-08-05; bh=yksVB4roIklixJrHYxFYRB5FqatnmTwYbqGTs/XRBCU=; b=oHNVk5GxVtiWvY2KkuOKLNGV150+vnwFKHibCpQ5tctILqNU5V3hYC1nHfEH/BKh//Iv QKEFp77JqX9myvvexrbc5wlZm7cwnnS0c4dbLmwXdGRomtcrCDxdaTQ7o9ddyJCm1JJ2 E0nYxs1wT/nMriAhPvmLHBslQyTSu7d9YpOba4NQuXRdbTO2Ns9HVGdESYs1hoA6YK9k iIKabaBICCBz/PyFc0NyJiNtQXr0Qbc6nMlD5tEXDWbuxyYOMhH6GnxB1Zjg7pjuJtB5 lB3RS9am8pXdPnBiRFa+4L+oPplq/+miYICHl8bRcyjT3lFoWObqvgi8u4gzzpn46ZVc 1Q== Received: from userp3020.oracle.com (userp3020.oracle.com [156.151.31.79]) by aserp2120.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2w11rphprf-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 02 Nov 2019 15:39:00 +0000 Received: from pps.filterd (userp3020.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp3020.oracle.com (8.16.0.27/8.16.0.27) with SMTP id xA2Fct6f063634; Sat, 2 Nov 2019 15:39:00 GMT Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by userp3020.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2w1157eft1-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 02 Nov 2019 15:38:59 +0000 Received: from abhmp0018.oracle.com (abhmp0018.oracle.com [141.146.116.24]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id xA2FcKMK028491; Sat, 2 Nov 2019 15:38:20 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4edf2082-bc96-4fc8-a499-6f74f62fb456@default> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 08:38:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams To: Eli Zaretskii , Stefan Kangas Subject: RE: bug#4897: 23.1.50; Info-index and ? in minibuffer References: <> <> <<87sgn6hmto.fsf@marxist.se>> <<83eeyqk7yu.fsf@gnu.org>> In-Reply-To: <<83eeyqk7yu.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4900.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9429 signatures=668685 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=899 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1908290000 definitions=main-1911020152 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9429 signatures=668685 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1015 lowpriorityscore=0 mlxscore=0 impostorscore=0 mlxlogscore=986 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1908290000 definitions=main-1911020152 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 4897 Cc: eller.helmut@gmail.com, 4897@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > It is very unusual for an index entry to include the question mark, so > I think the case for the change is quite weak. That's true. And the fact that using `?' immediately shows `*Help*' helps (especially if that help tells you about `?' - see below). So I retract my vote to remove it. ___ However, it might be better for the displayed help to not immediately disappear if you click it or try to search it (`C-s'), etc., and to put it into a separate window. I.e., let it just do what `C-h m' does. And it might be better for the displayed help to put this first line before other key descriptions: ?=09Display this help. (`C-q ?' inserts `?'.) h=09Invoke the Info tutorial. q=09Quit Info: reselect previously selected buffer. From unknown Thu Sep 11 04:20:52 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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