From unknown Thu Sep 11 04:20:47 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#4897: 23.1.50; Info-index and ? in minibuffer Reply-To: Helmut Eller , 4897@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Helmut Eller Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs 2Resent-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:00:04 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 4897 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B.12578433381585 (code B ref -1); Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:00:04 +0000 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 10 Nov 2009 08:55:38 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.3 required=4.0 tests=AWL autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id nAA8tbL6001582 for ; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 00:55:38 -0800 Received: from mx10.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:58692) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1N7mVk-0002cR-Fq for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 03:55:36 -0500 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1N7mVi-0005Yp-QM for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 03:55:36 -0500 Received: from dial-176169.pool.broadband44.net ([212.46.176.169]:58930 helo=ix) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1N7mVi-0005YM-E2 for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 03:55:34 -0500 Received: from helmut by ix with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N7m3V-0001wb-Sf for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:26:25 +0100 From: Helmut Eller To: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:26:25 +0100 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Greylist: delayed 1745 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at monty-python; Tue, 10 Nov 2009 03:55:33 EST The key binding for ? in the minibuffer can be very annoying for the Info-index command. Some languages, e.g. Forth or Scheme, have the convention to append a question mark to predicate names and so typing a plain ? is needed rather often. Also, ? seems to do almost the same as TAB. Please make ? a self-inserting command in the minibuffer. Helmut From unknown Thu Sep 11 04:20:47 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#4897: 23.1.50; Info-index and ? in minibuffer Reply-To: Glenn Morris , 4897@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Glenn Morris Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs 2Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 07:30:17 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 4897 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 4897-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B4897.12580106422059 (code B ref 4897); Thu, 12 Nov 2009 07:30:17 +0000 Received: (at 4897) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 12 Nov 2009 07:24:02 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.3 required=4.0 tests=AWL,HAS_BUG_NUMBER, VALID_BTS_CONTROL,X_DEBBUGS_NO_ACK autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id nAC7NxGm002056; Wed, 11 Nov 2009 23:24:01 -0800 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1N8U2A-0003pm-TU; Thu, 12 Nov 2009 02:23:59 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: Helmut Eller Cc: 4897@debbugs.gnu.org References: X-Spook: pre-emptive Lon Horiuchi Consul INS Geraldton CDC benelux X-Ran: BojRMcD6NL30'S&2s&'xJ?uXbUG4Y)Z(=-evc}j~]C:R?StGgUY]bw3{Mtv[#0h++}.#8? X-Hue: green X-Attribution: GM Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 02:23:58 -0500 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii severity 4897 wishlist stop Helmut Eller wrote: > The key binding for ? in the minibuffer can be very annoying for the > Info-index command. It behaves the same way as in the stand-alone info reader. You can use `C-q ?' for a literal '?'. From unknown Thu Sep 11 04:20:47 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#4897: 23.1.50; Info-index and ? in minibuffer Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2019 05:26:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 4897 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Glenn Morris Cc: Helmut Eller , 4897@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 4897-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B4897.157267231730152 (code B ref 4897); Sat, 02 Nov 2019 05:26:02 +0000 Received: (at 4897) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Nov 2019 05:25:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57969 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQluX-0007qE-9G for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Nov 2019 01:25:17 -0400 Received: from host.gofardesign.uk ([208.79.239.190]:41615) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQluV-0007pv-AH for 4897@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Nov 2019 01:25:15 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=marxist.se; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=ZiPn6XvnTX1OZYtn4VFgisXL3lymlOkQKbx3Rx086kY=; b=BA6AtpCZ2yGJ/3LzRK6wLTrZDK 6YdnudW7FqSohDAng9/0FAlJ5gYcWEZCKaD/H53/MC7ptL3R9gEWhj9og2UQTHdNCuPL54AazPTZE tnzXBUds13OFyrLV+6CsX/SZjLJusphhG2FdQ35Dx9i0W17Q/6BNXzDCzQI3ZzeFJCmk=; Received: from h-70-69.a785.priv.bahnhof.se ([155.4.70.69]:44000 helo=localhost) by host.gofardesign.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1iQluP-0003lm-Fr; Sat, 02 Nov 2019 00:25:10 -0500 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Thu, 12 Nov 2009 02:23:58 -0500") References: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2019 06:25:07 +0100 Message-ID: <87sgn6hmto.fsf@marxist.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-OutGoing-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.0 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host.gofardesign.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - debbugs.gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - marxist.se X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: host.gofardesign.uk: authenticated_id: stefan@marxist.se X-Authenticated-Sender: host.gofardesign.uk: stefan@marxist.se X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Glenn Morris writes: > severity 4897 wishlist > stop > > Helmut Eller wrote: > >> The key binding for ? in the minibuffer can be very annoying for the >> Info-index command. > > It behaves the same way as in the stand-alone info reader. > You can use `C-q ?' for a literal '?'. IMO, it would be better to remove the "?" binding. One could use the more natural "TAB" binding instead. However, given that this is very long-standing behaviour, can we really change it now? Any opinions? Best regards, Stefan Kangas From unknown Thu Sep 11 04:20:47 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#4897: 23.1.50; Info-index and ? in minibuffer Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2019 08:18:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 4897 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stefan Kangas Cc: rgm@gnu.org, eller.helmut@gmail.com, 4897@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 4897-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B4897.15726826696174 (code B ref 4897); Sat, 02 Nov 2019 08:18:01 +0000 Received: (at 4897) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Nov 2019 08:17:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58051 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQobU-0001bV-Sd for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Nov 2019 04:17:49 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:42938) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQobT-0001bD-Bc for 4897@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Nov 2019 04:17:47 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:50460) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iQobN-000894-Uk; Sat, 02 Nov 2019 04:17:41 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4163 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iQobM-0005Xx-Sj; Sat, 02 Nov 2019 04:17:41 -0400 Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2019 10:17:45 +0200 Message-Id: <83eeyqk7yu.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: <87sgn6hmto.fsf@marxist.se> (message from Stefan Kangas on Sat, 02 Nov 2019 06:25:07 +0100) References: <87sgn6hmto.fsf@marxist.se> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2019 06:25:07 +0100 > Cc: Helmut Eller , 4897@debbugs.gnu.org > > >> The key binding for ? in the minibuffer can be very annoying for the > >> Info-index command. > > > > It behaves the same way as in the stand-alone info reader. > > You can use `C-q ?' for a literal '?'. > > IMO, it would be better to remove the "?" binding. One could use > the more natural "TAB" binding instead. > > However, given that this is very long-standing behaviour, can we > really change it now? Any opinions? It is very unusual for an index entry to include the question mark, so I think the case for the change is quite weak. From unknown Thu Sep 11 04:20:47 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#4897: 23.1.50; Info-index and ? in minibuffer Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2019 08:55:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 4897 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: Glenn Morris , eller.helmut@gmail.com, 4897@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 4897-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B4897.15726848969847 (code B ref 4897); Sat, 02 Nov 2019 08:55:02 +0000 Received: (at 4897) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Nov 2019 08:54:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58094 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQpBQ-0002Yl-0H for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Nov 2019 04:54:56 -0400 Received: from mail-pl1-f170.google.com ([209.85.214.170]:34075) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQpBN-0002YK-TK for 4897@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Nov 2019 04:54:54 -0400 Received: by mail-pl1-f170.google.com with SMTP id k7so5390336pll.1 for <4897@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 02 Nov 2019 01:54:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=2AM77OkaBM3588toc4b3dLvu6/RiLGSOgf8jIvKSgIE=; b=Y3dbzEhp3L4IpfL3kYz3qrIJ3uTry1R4zbFWPjchFarFK0o0f136vVPWtj701VIZYt S9ya0r/R1+lDjBIosC+clZdNuTo8gg8+nq0+4pbZcAnBqwmsnmlv8Ot5IziV+bcHJHM4 DCv8nbQHGwBojRx+ayYaWhkZID1BQhfJJRLwRgYusQqeh13sgVT96GJR5DbrT2VzVaGP Omz+9oZuW0CRE0T6NoKpoZR9xqnUVVpNaCJwX/JkdFubsM8LHs8Qf6JzB0+WsSe3VxH7 MOzwj/OxZ3VZ9Kv+fgTXqbcwliSkcaZZnBrAUqKfBk31fUjt6JrFrpYbOtVD+RfTnIWh 69cw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAU/XR//qk2FYRyrwmjxB31qszkcC5V/sH2ZND+MzE9qwbRJ+yPQ T7ENjfF5bSo22bExdMymA7/fwllpSrg+1IzTLm8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxPwNzCghRbz5shXmjbeMPcT6+beQ92hVmQQLdC3DnZ/lfwyodiBQqWICT0/w/ru8PkHKB4U8mFQ6Ivmv3ZBVM= X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:7002:: with SMTP id y2mr9935898plk.251.1572684886902; Sat, 02 Nov 2019 01:54:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87sgn6hmto.fsf@marxist.se> <83eeyqk7yu.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <83eeyqk7yu.fsf@gnu.org> From: Stefan Kangas Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 09:54:35 +0100 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) tags 4897 + wontfix close 4897 thanks Eli Zaretskii : > > > From: Stefan Kangas > > Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2019 06:25:07 +0100 > > Cc: Helmut Eller , 4897@debbugs.gnu.org > > > > >> The key binding for ? in the minibuffer can be very annoying for the > > >> Info-index command. > > > > > > It behaves the same way as in the stand-alone info reader. > > > You can use `C-q ?' for a literal '?'. > > > > IMO, it would be better to remove the "?" binding. One could use > > the more natural "TAB" binding instead. > > > > However, given that this is very long-standing behaviour, can we > > really change it now? Any opinions? > > It is very unusual for an index entry to include the question mark, so > I think the case for the change is quite weak. That makes sense. I'm consequently closing the bug as wontfix. Best regards, Stefan Kangas From unknown Thu Sep 11 04:20:47 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#4897: 23.1.50; Info-index and ? in minibuffer Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2019 15:23:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 4897 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix To: Stefan Kangas , Glenn Morris Cc: Helmut Eller , 4897@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 4897-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B4897.157270817510089 (code B ref 4897); Sat, 02 Nov 2019 15:23:02 +0000 Received: (at 4897) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Nov 2019 15:22:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32879 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQvEt-0002cf-2u for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Nov 2019 11:22:55 -0400 Received: from aserp2120.oracle.com ([141.146.126.78]:38884) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQvEq-0002cO-8w for 4897@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Nov 2019 11:22:53 -0400 Received: from pps.filterd (aserp2120.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp2120.oracle.com (8.16.0.27/8.16.0.27) with SMTP id xA2FGZCJ156090; Sat, 2 Nov 2019 15:22:46 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2019-08-05; bh=rEdzikDC+QUd7nh+zeNwEYKBr0ptg1y7FNXIrPI2V58=; b=FVrrRGUGuuXbD3YwQigZ4dHyWCegSYsPUQy+PLZp5gCu3KwcjZnOguq+J0+SS8br0w6o BRUBND1odhYl4dVlR5HSTjs8l/VTDInWx0iJQHtDRTZUb18/9tKwNd36IY5+Pq86Rbyq Bnz9iAJEylUkdZcw2znmeoWlunDSagM6gAK1qoPtRwpECf6CyFnb7cP96FZr1iMQonSX JJKmS+PN1wiBKUY5zpSkto8tOaK1iHUMNrfkvQjh2SW/hidZFGFaLDi6YbiYDaA/UPgP 2Xqq3WnE/Pl/D3QW8kBmKgECDKxxBOP0+KNxs5+OioOhtz3OzQmMD4fE/IvJ0uTOia+F rg== Received: from aserp3020.oracle.com (aserp3020.oracle.com [141.146.126.70]) by aserp2120.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2w11rphnvk-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 02 Nov 2019 15:22:46 +0000 Received: from pps.filterd (aserp3020.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp3020.oracle.com (8.16.0.27/8.16.0.27) with SMTP id xA2FFGX7043145; Sat, 2 Nov 2019 15:22:45 GMT Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by aserp3020.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2w11mhpusf-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 02 Nov 2019 15:22:45 +0000 Received: from abhmp0018.oracle.com (abhmp0018.oracle.com [141.146.116.24]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id xA2FMeSD021996; Sat, 2 Nov 2019 15:22:40 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 08:22:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams References: <87sgn6hmto.fsf@marxist.se> In-Reply-To: <87sgn6hmto.fsf@marxist.se> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4900.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9429 signatures=668685 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=849 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1908290000 definitions=main-1911020149 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9429 signatures=668685 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 lowpriorityscore=0 mlxscore=0 impostorscore=0 mlxlogscore=948 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1908290000 definitions=main-1911020149 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > > It behaves the same way as in the stand-alone info reader. > > You can use `C-q ?' for a literal '?'. >=20 > IMO, it would be better to remove the "?" binding. One could use > the more natural "TAB" binding instead. >=20 > However, given that this is very long-standing behaviour, can we > really change it now? Any opinions? One opinion: go ahead and remove it. Anyone who really wants it can add it back individually. But it would be good to hear from others, including anyone who uses it. From unknown Thu Sep 11 04:20:47 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#4897: 23.1.50; Info-index and ? in minibuffer Resent-From: Drew Adams Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2019 15:40:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 4897 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix To: Eli Zaretskii , Stefan Kangas Cc: eller.helmut@gmail.com, 4897@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 4897-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B4897.157270914911724 (code B ref 4897); Sat, 02 Nov 2019 15:40:02 +0000 Received: (at 4897) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Nov 2019 15:39:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32887 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQvUb-000331-GU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Nov 2019 11:39:09 -0400 Received: from aserp2120.oracle.com ([141.146.126.78]:53312) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQvUZ-00032d-WB for 4897@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Nov 2019 11:39:08 -0400 Received: from pps.filterd (aserp2120.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp2120.oracle.com (8.16.0.27/8.16.0.27) with SMTP id xA2Fcdhg169313; Sat, 2 Nov 2019 15:39:01 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2019-08-05; bh=yksVB4roIklixJrHYxFYRB5FqatnmTwYbqGTs/XRBCU=; b=oHNVk5GxVtiWvY2KkuOKLNGV150+vnwFKHibCpQ5tctILqNU5V3hYC1nHfEH/BKh//Iv QKEFp77JqX9myvvexrbc5wlZm7cwnnS0c4dbLmwXdGRomtcrCDxdaTQ7o9ddyJCm1JJ2 E0nYxs1wT/nMriAhPvmLHBslQyTSu7d9YpOba4NQuXRdbTO2Ns9HVGdESYs1hoA6YK9k iIKabaBICCBz/PyFc0NyJiNtQXr0Qbc6nMlD5tEXDWbuxyYOMhH6GnxB1Zjg7pjuJtB5 lB3RS9am8pXdPnBiRFa+4L+oPplq/+miYICHl8bRcyjT3lFoWObqvgi8u4gzzpn46ZVc 1Q== Received: from userp3020.oracle.com (userp3020.oracle.com [156.151.31.79]) by aserp2120.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2w11rphprf-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 02 Nov 2019 15:39:00 +0000 Received: from pps.filterd (userp3020.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp3020.oracle.com (8.16.0.27/8.16.0.27) with SMTP id xA2Fct6f063634; Sat, 2 Nov 2019 15:39:00 GMT Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by userp3020.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2w1157eft1-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 02 Nov 2019 15:38:59 +0000 Received: from abhmp0018.oracle.com (abhmp0018.oracle.com [141.146.116.24]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id xA2FcKMK028491; Sat, 2 Nov 2019 15:38:20 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4edf2082-bc96-4fc8-a499-6f74f62fb456@default> Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2019 08:38:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Drew Adams References: <> <> <<87sgn6hmto.fsf@marxist.se>> <<83eeyqk7yu.fsf@gnu.org>> In-Reply-To: <<83eeyqk7yu.fsf@gnu.org>> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4900.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9429 signatures=668685 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=899 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1908290000 definitions=main-1911020152 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9429 signatures=668685 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1015 lowpriorityscore=0 mlxscore=0 impostorscore=0 mlxlogscore=986 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1908290000 definitions=main-1911020152 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > It is very unusual for an index entry to include the question mark, so > I think the case for the change is quite weak. That's true. And the fact that using `?' immediately shows `*Help*' helps (especially if that help tells you about `?' - see below). So I retract my vote to remove it. ___ However, it might be better for the displayed help to not immediately disappear if you click it or try to search it (`C-s'), etc., and to put it into a separate window. I.e., let it just do what `C-h m' does. And it might be better for the displayed help to put this first line before other key descriptions: ?=09Display this help. (`C-q ?' inserts `?'.) h=09Invoke the Info tutorial. q=09Quit Info: reselect previously selected buffer.