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envelope-from=drew.adams@oracle.com; helo=aserp2130.oracle.com X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) A user can easily think s?he's in one window when another is actually selected. Or s?he can think that the buffer in the selected window is a different one from what it actually is. The confirmation/status message you get when you toggle a (local) minor mode just tells you that the mode is enabled or disabled "in the current buffer". It should provide more help than that, naming the buffer. That confirms what you expected or lets you know that you were wrong about your expectation. For example, when you use `C-x C-q', it's better to see "Read-Only mode enabled in buffer `foobar'" than it is to see "Read-Only mode enabled in current buffer". Just that bit of information and reassurance can help. Without bothering with a complete patch, I think this is the only code change needed, in library `easy-mmode.el': (let ((local ,(if globalp "" " in current buffer"))) should be=20 (let ((local ,(if globalp "" '(format " in buffer `%s'" (current-buffer))))) In GNU Emacs 26.3 (build 1, x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2019-08-29 Repository revision: 96dd0196c28bc36779584e47fffcca433c9309cd Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 10.0.19041 Configured using: `configure --without-dbus --host=3Dx86_64-w64-mingw32 --without-compress-install 'CFLAGS=3D-O2 -static -g3'' From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jun 02 17:00:11 2021 Received: (at 48798) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Jun 2021 21:00:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41430 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1loXyF-0000Td-4y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 02 Jun 2021 17:00:11 -0400 Received: from aserp2130.oracle.com ([141.146.126.79]:39538) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1loXyC-0000SN-Up for 48798@debbugs.gnu.org; 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From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jun 03 04:06:27 2021 Received: (at 48798) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jun 2021 08:06:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42102 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1loiN1-0006ks-4o for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Jun 2021 04:06:27 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:39772) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1loiMz-0006ka-Kr for 48798@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Jun 2021 04:06:26 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=YPdCl6ADppYSkZc3pg2jXMNPfIubQ6gJeptfp2SvuUs=; b=t2mzUSrGAwqPxL+13mzx3t7fpK WCC0cMB/44eF/l4tiCXpQcy+TS9Vo2Nf/nqFDGkQ/BoXso45Z01opaqkWnRRjiExGyu3TULjp5NKQ RTjvRCHeH0go3ebFXel57of+sTCWZ47Q/hzw6SrN0WsklD+fYmDk0gtFqcJmdkY4yJC4=; Received: from cm-84.212.220.105.getinternet.no ([84.212.220.105] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1loiMq-00086d-P4; Thu, 03 Jun 2021 10:06:19 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#48798: 26.3; `define-minor-mode': Message should name the current buffer where enabled/disabled References: X-Now-Playing: Little Simz's _Grey Area_: "Offence" Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2021 10:06:16 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Wed, 2 Jun 2021 19:36:22 +0000") Message-ID: <878s3r9xtz.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: Drew Adams writes: > Without bothering with a complete patch, I think this is the only code > change needed, in library `easy-mmode.el': > > (let ((local , (if globalp "" " in current buffer"))) > > should be > > (let (( [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 48798 Cc: 48798@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Drew Adams writes: > Without bothering with a complete patch, I think this is the only code > change needed, in library `easy-mmode.el': > > (let ((local ,(if globalp "" " in current buffer"))) > > should be > > (let ((local ,(if globalp > "" > '(format " in buffer `%s'" (current-buffer))))) Here's the patch, since Drew couldn't be bothered: diff --git a/lisp/emacs-lisp/easy-mmode.el b/lisp/emacs-lisp/easy-mmode.el index 0a6d4ec504..4308272e42 100644 --- a/lisp/emacs-lisp/easy-mmode.el +++ b/lisp/emacs-lisp/easy-mmode.el @@ -360,7 +360,10 @@ define-minor-mode (unless (and (current-message) (not (equal ,last-message (current-message)))) - (let ((local ,(if globalp "" " in current buffer"))) + (let ((local ,(if globalp + "" + '(format " in buffer `%s'" + (current-buffer))))) (message ,(format "%s %%sabled%%s" pretty-name) (if ,getter "en" "dis") local))))) ,@(when after-hook `(,after-hook))) But after running with this for a few minutes, I'm not sure I like it. `C-x C-q' then says "Read-Only mode enabled in buffer `foo'" which makes me wonder, of course, "why? what happened to foo? oh, this is that buffer". I.e., it's distracting, not useful information. So I'm leaning towards leaving it the was it was. 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Any opinions? >=20 > Nobody had any in a month, so I'm closing this bug report. Too bad. All you had to do was _add_ the buffer name, _along with_ "current buffer" which was already there. With your logic, the message when loading the file of the current buffer should also _not_ report the file name. E.g. `M-x load-file RET' should not tell you which file was load because (according to you), that info is just noise and it's obvious which buffer was current and thus which file was loaded. Fortunately, whoever wrote the load-file msg didn't use such logic. Dommage. From unknown Sun Jun 22 22:44:57 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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It's quite possible to not notice - or even not be able to easily see - which buffer is current when it's changed to/from read-only. It just makes sense to tell users which buffer is involved. Really hard to believe this isn't obvious and the=20 trivial fix wasn't applied. This just makes life that much harder for users, with no benefit to Emacs. From unknown Sun Jun 22 22:44:57 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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It just makes > sense to tell users which buffer is involved. >=20 > Really hard to believe this isn't obvious and the > trivial fix wasn't applied. This just makes life > that much harder for users, with no benefit to Emacs. Perhaps the problem is more noticeable if buffers are in separate frames. Especially since Emacs has messed with frame focus so much (since Emacs 26, at least). If the buffer you thought was current with its window selected is not, for some reason (e.g. gratuitous Emacs frame-focus switch), then the message doesn't help at all if you have multiple buffers in separate frames etc. I'm guessing that this might be why Lars didn't think this was a real problem. It might be less noticeable if you're not a victim of Emacs's gratuitous frame focus-switching. But even if that's not the case, I see no reason why this shouldn't be fixed. _Whatever_ the reason might be why someone doesn't know or isn't sure which buffer had the focus, why not have a message that tells you what Emacs actually did? Please reopen this bug and apply the trivial fix. Thx. I'd really not like to have to redefine `define-minor-mode' for my own use, just to fix this annoyance. To me, this message improvement for users should be a no-brainer. From unknown Sun Jun 22 22:44:57 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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Is it the case that if N bugs were merged then it's not enough to una= rchive one of them - you need to unarchive all of them? > > The same problem persists - bugs #33076 and #48798. > > > > It's quite possible to not notice - or even not be > > able to easily see - which buffer is current when > > it's changed to/from read-only. It just makes > > sense to tell users which buffer is involved. > > > > Really hard to believe this isn't obvious and the > > trivial fix wasn't applied. This just makes life > > that much harder for users, with no benefit to Emacs. >=20 > Perhaps the problem is more noticeable if buffers > are in separate frames. Especially since Emacs > has messed with frame focus so much (since Emacs > 26, at least). If the buffer you thought was > current with its window selected is not, for some > reason (e.g. gratuitous Emacs frame-focus switch), > then the message doesn't help at all if you have > multiple buffers in separate frames etc. >=20 > I'm guessing that this might be why Lars didn't > think this was a real problem. It might be less > noticeable if you're not a victim of Emacs's > gratuitous frame focus-switching. >=20 > But even if that's not the case, I see no reason > why this shouldn't be fixed. _Whatever_ the > reason might be why someone doesn't know or isn't > sure which buffer had the focus, why not have a > message that tells you what Emacs actually did? >=20 > Please reopen this bug and apply the trivial fix. > Thx. I'd really not like to have to redefine > `define-minor-mode' for my own use, just to fix > this annoyance. To me, this message improvement > for users should be a no-brainer. I'm asking again that this be fixed. I'm not asking that such a message be changed for all modes, i.e., a change in `define-minor-mode'. Whether that would be appropriate is TBD - a different question. It could be asked, but I'm not asking it here. =20 For this enhancement request I'm asking only that this be fixed for `read-only-mode'. In various situations it can be nonobvious which buffer's read-only state was changed. And there's really no good reason why the buffer name shouldn't be included in the msg. And no objective reason was given - the only reason given was that Lars subjectively found the fix to be "more annoying than informative". Whether or not the code below is the right fix is for you to decide. It gets the job done and shows what the behavior should be. I don't care how the fix gets implemented. (defun ro-echo-buffer () "Echo `buffer-read-only' value, showing buffer name." (message "Read-only mode is %s in buffer `%s'" (if buffer-read-only 'ON 'OFF) (current-buffer))) (add-hook 'read-only-mode-hook 'ro-echo-buffer) Please reconsider Emacs not letting users see this little bit of important info in the msg. ___ As for whether ON/OFF is kosher, vs the more verbose and less noticeable enabled/disabled: I think it should be. In fact, I think it's preferable, at least in a message. And Emacs itself sometimes says that a mode is "active" instead of "enabled". (e.g. allout.el, autorevert.el) I think uppercase ON and OFF stand out clearly in such a message, and that helps. From unknown Sun Jun 22 22:44:57 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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