From unknown Wed Jun 18 23:10:14 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#48764 <48764@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#48764 <48764@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: mini-buffer completion Reply-To: bug#48764 <48764@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2025 06:10:14 +0000 retitle 48764 mini-buffer completion reassign 48764 emacs submitter 48764 jaime.escalante@gmx.com severity 48764 normal tag 48764 notabug thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon May 31 17:09:11 2021 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 May 2021 21:09:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35027 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lnp9r-0001dc-9O for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 31 May 2021 17:09:11 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:50240) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lnoKy-0006Zu-EP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 31 May 2021 16:16:39 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:54966) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lnoKx-0002kp-K7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 31 May 2021 16:16:36 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.21]:39529) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lnoKs-0005Qr-F3 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 31 May 2021 16:16:35 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1622492186; bh=5xudt/pDtOuTPQrnTwrBX9C9UIgmXkD7gwesh/74RKI=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Subject:Date; b=W7ODNRD0mMRlEN2GycXqTqy1KBoEOYjE5yNjQiRCwyHIH19xNvQCD7elYkACKVhpH H0k9XrX40RnpPsfVxTTampp6Ontee9gKNQmMXBe90gifqL1BAB+ol7nqQo9eCJ4b2Q 5dc88DEZzmKOUlWovDSye+y4PuBm13aSlJaT/22E= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [213.165.168.94] ([213.165.168.94]) by web-mail.gmx.net (3c-app-mailcom-bs01.server.lan [172.19.170.58]) (via HTTP); Mon, 31 May 2021 22:16:26 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: jaime.escalante@gmx.com To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: mini-buffer completion Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Mon, 31 May 2021 22:16:26 +0200 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:h9QQqdKYW/uYRZ+CKoEjrt3AG26zDV6h8oM3xC90s3cqg3qNrm8c4sT/C7sEyAxoI/6AL 8YYMQ16GzXsPM0Fat0sjrVnzUH0YVpWaperjBd670oLGKLw1CMY9GgXTzHHlU0jgoMSbfCf8BqAX OIAF9StWcOk7lerTC+aZvUr+llhEz0Ya+T7PIDRXsqAaK6c+8ZTLsqJqEK1NWkKxCbLROWVSgaNr UpMNTZq/bNV2+45QZARGJk9OyM63lHLx0pDPntG1h+AjRCcpKRSQT4NctO1h+gnSz5sOz0+hPF+F 4o= X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:ym3WvwCBes8=:qLNeEdA4sQn4Z7kEhmEv1X g7sWt0CMZ+wTUO+vT7ue5EMZd7nEroTX1OqLl/K8xc4hH+mVXzIXOf9Eqp34qENqwb4mi2Osy eZbAiPPWKguGMoa1b7P86cB4DK5T8C/Pk7siuFJhWLzK0dND5mqmfSppdZF3zv8lAhnoLOZpZ fcBTnSRlVGrjx2ky/cG7rOR1JVTfXIEVm6anllupESUuTJ5BTcqHpF4/nV0dgbwMVnqafQLMd q/oSZfVHshR/xAraHRCb3ZY1tXfAkHIft2Nf32GZpDXqDR+2H2PsyQaVj7H/F8BV8E5ZWWnyq g/qs5IyD0ut8Y3eGMLkZUyG0H1jDwrT/Ofs2+xonK3Z6gRm2f+w+uVGxMgaJaPJ7pyJ0APtRG 5h0Y4T3HXYfufsRVXZ9uLAAgPmZ0cKQpGIezUQFjxWlwjCN1Q1lVoBQiCEbillUFxiEtTnZUN Sf1Ptq+X5fhoDfZrRQrxFtqIMnbcWR4x9H9RMckFg+6GIAERpSGfiZ9ELvlL7IHeKsC6SyU2F +feo8SHRzPqgXyWfOiLv9wpkhkV8FAAmgf7O7ayg3POph3RxE+7DW+M+FooNExlI2O3CCgVKy ycRqXgMDIaSQi9qrEK8zC++CsupAt/zzPRAF+OrngTnfEfxz+uLwGHXsaw0qFJIN/g+rZgIG9 vH0GBq2IW6Ppc5rePB0uYveytuBjFrYoJSCmBQPTyhEQ6XK+wXCcvhDLB74S3YEHoOycC1lxj JlndyujIj8TwSpLvw2zQN6LkmHxwavpfBurUjKjWVz9siNZILXC6TH6kmgMBxXeDRXxZVpkxu RZ5Dt61RlyhDHdZaHU0x/tK76b6VavmK18szJHIu6GiXgYmtsw8zT4uB1C6eu8cnuHMpjQEaU +LukChHwljbHd2MkShUfCx4Q4MFegOQBW0DnAkvAqc1r7jYGD+IDHTQ7IcL/Q5XvSIoIudcgb aqI17wB2NzQ== Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.227.17.21; envelope-from=jaime.escalante@gmx.com; helo=mout.gmx.net X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 31 May 2021 17:09:10 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) `completing-read' prompts a user to select from a set of candidates, providing mini-buffer completion to narrow and complete the user input. But the mini-buffer does not provide the user with any indication that he can use the "up" and "down" keys to navigate a list of settings. It would be beneficial to introduce some kind of glyph or indicator in the mini-buffer to make the user aware that arrow keys can be used, and be described in the manual. (if current-prefix-arg (let* ( ($major-mode '("org-mode" "texinfo-mode" "emacs-lisp-mode" "lisp-mode" "f90-mode")) ($mode (completing-read "Mode: " $major-mode nil t nil 'ziggurat-bufr-history)) ) (funcall (intern $mode))) (funcall (intern (or mode "org-mode")))))) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jun 01 11:40:06 2021 Received: (at 48764) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Jun 2021 15:40:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37573 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lo6Uw-0003Kw-31 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 01 Jun 2021 11:40:06 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:46190) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lo6Uv-0003KJ-00 for 48764@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 01 Jun 2021 11:40:05 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=5RU5dNXvuoUnDjoF9EoMcd+PSOc7gL0yIicnMigTDuk=; b=nczdTwk99NFuS4t3CFFMr1OAyG zzFTfuUsxPuSdk4Gq7QyLDODiPk2+23mPuGDxozzZmdZ4m9sIrqkADpA1X/2wLx4hewXm3NkPVFXQ qSWBAT1LWQZjyjTRbOexvR5LCB0veV3ecemOW7i8tPic4OyAUj/giK4hxyZPwDGtB6HI=; Received: from cm-84.212.220.105.getinternet.no ([84.212.220.105] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lo6Ul-0001wE-Gf; Tue, 01 Jun 2021 17:39:58 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: jaime.escalante@gmx.com Subject: Re: bug#48764: mini-buffer completion References: X-Now-Playing: Juergen Paape's _Kompakt Total 19_: "Abstrusia" Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2021 17:39:55 +0200 In-Reply-To: (jaime escalante's message of "Mon, 31 May 2021 22:16:26 +0200") Message-ID: <87fsy1bnlg.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: jaime.escalante@gmx.com writes: > But the mini-buffer does not provide the user with any indication that > he can use the "up" and "down" keys to navigate a list of settings. > It would be beneficial to introduce some kind of glyph [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 48764 Cc: 48764@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) jaime.escalante@gmx.com writes: > But the mini-buffer does not provide the user with any indication that > he can use the "up" and "down" keys to navigate a list of settings. > It would be beneficial to introduce some kind of glyph or indicator in > the mini-buffer to make the user aware that arrow keys can be used, > and be described in the manual. It should not come as a surprise that basic navigation keys allow you to navigate basically. 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How wou= ld a user figure out what to do? Is there any information about basic navigation keys for mini-buffer input= in the manual? > Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2021 at 3:39 AM > From: "Lars Ingebrigtsen" > To: jaime.escalante@gmx.com > Cc: 48764@debbugs.gnu.org > Subject: Re: bug#48764: mini-buffer completion > > jaime.escalante@gmx.com writes: > > > But the mini-buffer does not provide the user with any indication that > > he can use the "up" and "down" keys to navigate a list of settings. > > It would be beneficial to introduce some kind of glyph or indicator in > > the mini-buffer to make the user aware that arrow keys can be used, > > and be described in the manual. > > It should not come as a surprise that basic navigation keys allow you to > navigate basically. > > Closing. > > -- > (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) > bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no > From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jun 01 12:01:07 2021 Received: (at 48764) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Jun 2021 16:01:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37644 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lo6pH-0006yo-Ik for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: oracle.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: SA2PR10MB4474.namprd10.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 9978d63c-94f9-4625-2c11-08d925166b7a X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 01 Jun 2021 16:00:47.1337 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 4e2c6054-71cb-48f1-bd6c-3a9705aca71b X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: iy2jafDcnoyRlTmh6E/iq2x3UtaHxjlsteyf8MXAfrOWyJGlGg78IXa6mN4tGVZxTYqYVZjg6/fmIx+WuMJvRQ== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: SN6PR10MB2736 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6200 definitions=10002 signatures=668682 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 malwarescore=0 mlxscore=0 phishscore=0 suspectscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxlogscore=836 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2104190000 definitions=main-2106010108 X-Proofpoint-GUID: Z2hT5ZihZzkZ8i5HisilvdYaGZv8uVaM X-Proofpoint-ORIG-GUID: Z2hT5ZihZzkZ8i5HisilvdYaGZv8uVaM X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6200 definitions=10002 signatures=668682 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 malwarescore=0 impostorscore=0 clxscore=1011 lowpriorityscore=0 mlxscore=0 adultscore=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 bulkscore=0 priorityscore=1501 mlxlogscore=999 phishscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2104190000 definitions=main-2106010108 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 48764 Cc: "48764@debbugs.gnu.org" <48764@debbugs.gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > > But the mini-buffer does not provide the user with any indication that > > he can use the "up" and "down" keys to navigate a list of settings. > > It would be beneficial to introduce some kind of glyph or indicator in > > the mini-buffer to make the user aware that arrow keys can be used, > > and be described in the manual. >=20 > It should not come as a surprise that basic navigation keys allow you to > navigate basically. >=20 > Closing. I wouldn't argue that the minibuffer itself needs to provide any such indication. (Some doc should perhaps mention it, however.) I agree with you about that. But the reply that users should expect "basic navigation keys" to "navigate basically" presents things in a distorted way. Basic navigation keys generally do work in the basic, i.e., ordinary way in the minibuffer. But and do NOT do so. Their normal/basic behavior is to move up or down a line of text. They _could_ do that in the minibuffer, but they don't. Likewise, `C-n' and `C-p'. So while I tend to agree that the minibuffer itself need not advertise what and do, the argument that you gave is specious, IMO. In fact, it argues the opposite: it argues that and (and `C-[n|p]') should "allow you to navigate basically", i.e., move up and down a line of minibuffer text. Not to mention that _cycling_ candidates is not a basic navigation behavior. It's not a navigation behavior at all. It doesn't move point or the mouse pointer, doesn't move focus, or do any of the things one might think of as "basic navigation" behavior. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jun 01 12:06:59 2021 Received: (at 48764) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Jun 2021 16:06:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37652 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lo6ux-0008Ta-GZ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 01 Jun 2021 12:06:59 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.19]:44269) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lo6uu-0008TJ-Sv for 48764@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 01 Jun 2021 12:06:57 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1622563606; bh=hhTkzMgJ0LwqIUaQeCPkli67shgrvZK/xY4Cni3cYck=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:References; b=GSJoVvXVeqTTASnzeD3DIa8pwypFL/kCZQyAGntwDsdZralhD+Sp3bwyBHJUtkv5V xRvCdIwHM+agMLU54Le5PsXmlZvAJeMwzhTTGWEAqqDmqzF2i9cYlFqBr4kRSuTbVc IOykF/+ALp49dwcDYXfCO+nePRm8tvGdT0FqSPa4= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [213.165.168.94] ([213.165.168.94]) by web-mail.gmx.net (3c-app-mailcom-bs01.server.lan [172.19.170.58]) (via HTTP); Tue, 1 Jun 2021 18:06:46 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: jaime.escalante@gmx.com To: Drew Adams Subject: [External] : bug#48764: mini-buffer completion Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2021 18:06:46 +0200 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <87fsy1bnlg.fsf@gnus.org> X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:sH+DUjfGSpa19DlSDPlkdqUAhxze+SDY9hoQT4bbLhy9zqkO/bfhXFTFW9/SYR+kbvoZ3 wWOuV6zDI7GyDc4Pc07K3iDaIP/E2u0WH0EPUKUBebAbv7X6xsYtguAGI1brn8UPw8iOg6+dP7sy IUCpoIS7e1v0lCLNmIlOnNBY0aq1QQmZIhWnmXo9ru4Hi7WJRBGgEqwvhNuot8JyjBa6gdFb9UCt DtAZctKU/ai9aEGybpv1CPV2tZhgY0Dm7ppWj14bhFDIPxQzMhuoBFW/FacW8A7Jg+o5C+tHA2Kz xc= X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:BPs1ha5/pM4=:auPijwgFCjn+Dwgen0wix1 dD+t2R0BV8VJlB+UqfyFhTt2ct2uqN1JsXCQJxtUn09jWBVRpL5jRB3yWkhPrtxmM0AZo3TdP vaHtMviW8JeyB23cKRr6mkCqONzsdp/dpvZEAuQItbwuGIrNTHs7kry8OK49b/YK57EPTZR9W lbWsHBtjHXbdvSeiiBLx4hMrVFi9yV4fF5WhZWQmTXhjTtBmWlmcBXfYQCwrnURVd3pMtVjdl rHjHSahZQH7SLwJ+hjzcgUDiamQlwxzSoHcVNy3ObFDlyixzTaprJ8G4rHHnsqWye6KcmhWDa lrNGR8am5Ww4kBze/UqE9VITQ82FyCLOoPJqWamPX+FAG1dabvtCfqJS0cU/1qt+1B4/huIFW 9yzQYf5xMOEOJf2JkRI3qpl/+wxkwwImKsQjeEAkLyjCdMZhKjnku3Xaq5tJ6X9519brLp2+t 6ECK5Q758BGDaVdbuIK5VpoIl+qAwBUrYhb32MFUiCOrciWyXf+wr4D1aAIhbGr3uX3eiOBRQ FxT2FxRcck9xb2Xuo+SkND6ELEbP+Q8/gJBFN1UVPC7jY9OLtvlbR/c8u8jkRMIHKUzNq4L4d mEE1mvVwTVdC+zMeDlEvbtzOcI1j/GcPoVRt02sGQQc9J9YCVbk9X8qD6D6uCIYuKBul05V9w xGZx+bjMDSMxjMk9eyrpwy2HHrRAYRlrnFn20Ii2XZwF3M2BQyVn2eEW9rrTZH1ayG344lSVe Ko3a+oZDLErsgdrYvypl6pe+pYQronSc4dO1Saxse9cEiex8vOVx/DjqdaPKV8u2jKh5WHgPX Lr11o7Z7wOBikzXrGdW+I7hvmi0+NI7tqPEB3wOeqRlsV/XIyk= Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 48764 Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , "48764@debbugs.gnu.org" <48764@debbugs.gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2021 at 4:00 AM > From: "Drew Adams" > To: "Lars Ingebrigtsen" , "jaime.escalante@gmx.com" > Cc: "48764@debbugs.gnu.org" <48764@debbugs.gnu.org> > Subject: RE: [External] : bug#48764: mini-buffer completion > > > > But the mini-buffer does not provide the user with any indication th= at > > > he can use the "up" and "down" keys to navigate a list of settings. > > > It would be beneficial to introduce some kind of glyph or indicator = in > > > the mini-buffer to make the user aware that arrow keys can be used, > > > and be described in the manual. > > > > It should not come as a surprise that basic navigation keys allow you = to > > navigate basically. > > > > Closing. > > I wouldn't argue that the minibuffer itself needs to > provide any such indication. (Some doc should perhaps > mention it, however.) I agree with you about that. > > But the reply that users should expect "basic navigation > keys" to "navigate basically" presents things in a > distorted way. In an extremely distorted way. I try to get to developer's head about it,= yet few are capable of listening. > Basic navigation keys generally do work in the basic, > i.e., ordinary way in the minibuffer. But and > do NOT do so. Their normal/basic behavior is > to move up or down a line of text. They _could_ do that > in the minibuffer, but they don't. Likewise, `C-n' and > `C-p'. > > So while I tend to agree that the minibuffer itself > need not advertise what and do, the argument > that you gave is specious, IMO. In fact, it argues the > opposite: it argues that and (and `C-[n|p]') > should "allow you to navigate basically", i.e., move up > and down a line of minibuffer text. > > Not to mention that _cycling_ candidates is not a basic > navigation behavior. It's not a navigation behavior at > all. It doesn't move point or the mouse pointer, doesn't > move focus, or do any of the things one might think of as > "basic navigation" behavior. > From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jun 01 16:46:51 2021 Received: (at 48764) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Jun 2021 20:46:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38002 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1loBHm-0007e5-N4 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 01 Jun 2021 16:46:51 -0400 Received: from mail-wm1-f50.google.com ([209.85.128.50]:41934) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1loBHk-0007dr-8T for 48764@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 01 Jun 2021 16:46:49 -0400 Received: by mail-wm1-f50.google.com with SMTP id l11-20020a05600c4f0bb029017a7cd488f5so414256wmq.0 for <48764@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 01 Jun 2021 13:46:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tcd.ie; s=google21; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version; bh=RaQoQf2beyAD4f4cG5LVOUj3uIgctETzqvLPInIyiOU=; b=MfP6RftWSlydEXvpFtk/b9pCvx1hzmU9trvGEqhDuurZKCuy/fwmCR0R1IKL2DGTu8 +A55hLkyHz6VK0843Dq+gW0pZ4uE5ZlxidaHE7rocNEdU640E98UaeWePgyTuu8BLAij S8xKOCEiEbgFayNDDq9Qz+kjegQRrhb5vbuYZHNFaqSCrJ8LX/Tc/g2qNLXGuebidMEH NwT7SpCM/OODabviqEcTFHOJi5FqgjKUbKQ7iqXJW/7DytE4lCTAQMfsLMbln0KyiCCc ihzUQEs5+uZM+S/8GDliRyUM97EZ4zPFP0w4bGgPRZsdesCVz8sshXZqUC05A+XqjN6G CraQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=RaQoQf2beyAD4f4cG5LVOUj3uIgctETzqvLPInIyiOU=; b=gdg7IlweXsx03aHLJAVHb1s3YTOlbkv07AdClCriS3INbUNCGyoL1zL9ZK8WzppHut 9zL5SdT2kyL2MqupaI0oEwUjCgPDRKq/BkeRGFtwNwjlhjqxwLPbIqZ0rlywrtQN1OCT tbybzYcrhSCRBpb0pwldTDKrRMIWVVFwDN0ZNwPPxRXj4KKQeiT9vPb9VfunzgLnJFHl E6asdCiWZwFNjw0iodj0s6TP4kb8+IBQk2f8G92GAzNY7YlCm45gaPN7yjTNOUjQ4o3k KSEEJ1rvDHfPMZO2SnGK96+YwOwJNphbAJzo8NesyFm9wnda0W9+WUQCQpgXySxLBDcx bATA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533/EXccqS2WK81SSU2uBaZuoGmppKslAAMKO6mP3uxeswLRn9KD bXaW0wN2+l8nf9wK0m7k/VuZiw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJy77oByj+936dkdvrkKgnjFmQrVTsT2yvpcBB05rCi3QV/u+P+3ZREFX/VTQQMjylIFw9OGSA== X-Received: by 2002:a1c:7f86:: with SMTP id a128mr27829094wmd.20.1622580402398; Tue, 01 Jun 2021 13:46:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([51.37.43.71]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d8sm3865577wro.16.2021.06.01.13.46.41 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 01 Jun 2021 13:46:41 -0700 (PDT) From: "Basil L. Contovounesios" To: jaime.escalante@gmx.com Subject: Re: bug#48764: mini-buffer completion References: <87fsy1bnlg.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2021 21:46:39 +0100 In-Reply-To: (jaime.escalante@gmx.com's message of "Tue, 1 Jun 2021 17:54:51 +0200") Message-ID: <87tumhia8g.fsf@tcd.ie> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 48764 Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 48764@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) jaime.escalante@gmx.com writes: > How about mini-buffer entries that require user writing a string. How would > a user figure out what to do? > > Is there any information about basic navigation keys for mini-buffer input in the manual? Does the node (info "(emacs) Minibuffer History")[1] in the Emacs manual count? FWIW, it can be found through index entries such as 'minibuffer history', 'M-n (minibuffer history)', 'DOWN (minibuffer history)', etc. For more details on minibuffer keymaps there's also (info "(emacs) Minibuffer Maps")[2], found e.g. via the index entry 'C-h r i minibuffer key TAB RET'. [1]: https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/Minibuffer-History.html [2]: https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/Minibuffer-Maps.html HTH, -- Basil From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jun 01 17:00:57 2021 Received: (at 48764) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Jun 2021 21:00:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38027 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1loBVR-0000Pm-0h for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 01 Jun 2021 17:00:57 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.22]:36083) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1loBVO-0000IQ-6q for 48764@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 01 Jun 2021 17:00:54 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1622581246; bh=nigq3ukuqqtn0x0XHDcw0QvL90IBQOv5qiI/GHYZQIc=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:References; b=SK2RFQhfUu1vXm4kvhHeWqMvBYTPJpzLOxVbcNXU6DHr95TxlU/94+zS6aKDue3dH YZuteACyjL1SO41apcC1DnA2BLMZp7y7TX5yNyDVEMdJGIopkc+CV8ieXiYHWe7IM4 o+/+SRmgQ8wnGUoePfLc+naWspksmNlhxZew/Wfg= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [213.165.168.94] ([213.165.168.94]) by web-mail.gmx.net (3c-app-mailcom-bs03.server.lan [172.19.170.169]) (via HTTP); Tue, 1 Jun 2021 23:00:46 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: jaime.escalante@gmx.com To: "Basil L. 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Contovounesios" > To: jaime.escalante@gmx.com > Cc: "Lars Ingebrigtsen" , 48764@debbugs.gnu.org > Subject: Re: bug#48764: mini-buffer completion > > jaime.escalante@gmx.com writes: > > > How about mini-buffer entries that require user writing a string. How= would > > a user figure out what to do? > > > > Is there any information about basic navigation keys for mini-buffer i= nput in the manual? > > Does the node (info "(emacs) Minibuffer History")[1] in the Emacs manual > count? FWIW, it can be found through index entries such as 'minibuffer > history', 'M-n (minibuffer history)', 'DOWN (minibuffer history)', etc. I would like to see some indication of the type of input it requires. Perhaps that information can go on the mode-line (for instance some type of designated coloured mouse button for mini-buffer information). > For more details on minibuffer keymaps there's also > (info "(emacs) Minibuffer Maps")[2], found e.g. via the index entry > 'C-h r i minibuffer key TAB RET'. > > [1]: https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/Minibuffe= r-History.html > [2]: https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/Minibuffe= r-Maps.html > > HTH, > > -- > Basil > From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jun 01 17:04:15 2021 Received: (at 48764) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Jun 2021 21:04:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38037 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1loBYd-0001rQ-DQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 01 Jun 2021 17:04:15 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.18]:34749) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1loBYb-0001rB-42 for 48764@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 01 Jun 2021 17:04:13 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1622581445; bh=r3wk86mU+w6eWRpQ/1BU+QyhFmtpZvnWO6GZc4FmN/o=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:References; b=XCjVwbQoNMxjyHImGH8nKQZzxbS2GFO/3PxF1TBtMDBqIaiMkXTqMurg/dGiFuDyK HD4cXYrIpSucOyXiYTMyMKUzM8Kh0GBh+LEvisTs8GDbFXo8zryTal+LUiAODraZQ5 eq/mRVP+2wcP/aJ9MfYiXVaD7uLEDrm5/V0wXlDk= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [213.165.168.94] ([213.165.168.94]) by web-mail.gmx.net (3c-app-mailcom-bs03.server.lan [172.19.170.169]) (via HTTP); Tue, 1 Jun 2021 23:04:05 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: jaime.escalante@gmx.com To: "Basil L. 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Contovounesios" To: jaime.escalante@gmx.com Subject: Re: bug#48764: mini-buffer completion References: <87fsy1bnlg.fsf@gnus.org> <87tumhia8g.fsf@tcd.ie> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2021 23:50:42 +0100 In-Reply-To: (jaime.escalante@gmx.com's message of "Tue, 1 Jun 2021 23:04:05 +0200") Message-ID: <874kehi4hp.fsf@tcd.ie> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 48764 Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 48764@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) jaime.escalante@gmx.com writes: >> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2021 at 8:46 AM >> From: "Basil L. Contovounesios" >> To: jaime.escalante@gmx.com >> Cc: "Lars Ingebrigtsen" , 48764@debbugs.gnu.org >> Subject: bug#48764: mini-buffer completion >> >> jaime.escalante@gmx.com writes: >> >> > How about mini-buffer entries that require user writing a string. How would >> > a user figure out what to do? >> > >> > Is there any information about basic navigation keys for mini-buffer input in the manual? >> >> Does the node (info "(emacs) Minibuffer History")[1] in the Emacs manual >> count? FWIW, it can be found through index entries such as 'minibuffer >> history', 'M-n (minibuffer history)', 'DOWN (minibuffer history)', etc. > > We are not really talking about mini-buffer history, but mini-buffer input. The OP refers to and . In the minibuffer, these keys by default navigate so-called "minibuffer history", where e.g. inserts "future" history, AKA the next default value. So is actually "navigating" the list of defaults (completing-read's 7th argument), not the list of completions (completing-read's 2nd argument). If this is not the kind of input you're referring to, then could you please clarify which input you're referring to? >> For more details on minibuffer keymaps there's also >> (info "(emacs) Minibuffer Maps")[2], found e.g. via the index entry >> 'C-h r i minibuffer key TAB RET'. >> >> [1]: https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/Minibuffer-History.html >> [2]: https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/Minibuffer-Maps.html >> >> HTH, -- Basil From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jun 01 18:51:01 2021 Received: (at 48764) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Jun 2021 22:51:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38152 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1loDDx-0004Ra-HY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 01 Jun 2021 18:51:01 -0400 Received: from mail-wr1-f49.google.com ([209.85.221.49]:42750) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1loDDw-0004RJ-6W for 48764@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 01 Jun 2021 18:51:00 -0400 Received: by mail-wr1-f49.google.com with SMTP id c5so237340wrq.9 for <48764@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 01 Jun 2021 15:51:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tcd.ie; s=google21; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version; bh=qVnDQQqc/6Y7Zd8GOs6XhSWXUFCkdbNemVzStLP12Fo=; b=CRfa0tYMFFAKm2i1xPz7eJlo084yWIXJxoupM77fti/ynRuO1gPWA2tCdk1BxMJKCi wZFpsPLdC86+DNX7TM7dDyvIEr+Ubotxz3rVF28aM5S94Tjos3Y1CpassWD+Wxiuo86h KFZRr0MEnUTBhiTn4jflu4Yj7JgfT+KocEB1uq/P+v7okPCgD1iRstEmIH1wS5nLVeeq SEnASpMzU391/pd73o+i2U0XNinndvQrrRyNxwW3c//Uw/ZCRrieoOYZ0Ka+5RHBWQkK E2Cr7c4rEK6hIEAJp8OSpU2EOK74lfn3Qj+R8cOnFzmzpe4S2jK8E/cDbugZAJw7WTrx 8lDQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=qVnDQQqc/6Y7Zd8GOs6XhSWXUFCkdbNemVzStLP12Fo=; b=DZtJaW2Y8Dkak67zCcMPK9JzfmhVj8pXMNfvy1XNIRBULVgMpfM7QPg0Mj0bPCC/UZ AnYIDpqyfiGTa8NDTpcKLHO/K/J/Hy8BdksQS17Olw3HeyNbqQuy+vE254wdJ7/Uyst9 HOf0BOpuuJe8JAT3NSafbLKI1RSOv40yO8mhhu8XulHlLan18truQX408p5esI6s+lpZ 6TGAK1whyewQer+MWlMXUXjWfCE0NqvvVnIH3jboNz5+glIU4euJLsKTXt6m0WE8cRhI xgSLPMbYvlT5me4DKf3J5QimjLgTMKPrcsHowyf42hqm0NfoNJTaM42jKMzpMbyORd4Z XJzA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533pE4ylcgb94bHDfn4BR2mR/BSumJGdNlns8JHgLtiy4OvNghjA GuYpeWh83XpEqK+9FPQH7uxl9Q== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyRAITy9WW2jeHlmMS6Qx4AzQBo1uIzi/4d49TZf8IvANF62jQuh9sO0xtYAfeODQgVopfoAA== X-Received: by 2002:a5d:6647:: with SMTP id f7mr30769571wrw.145.1622587854440; Tue, 01 Jun 2021 15:50:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([51.37.43.71]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id l3sm751339wmh.2.2021.06.01.15.50.53 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 01 Jun 2021 15:50:53 -0700 (PDT) From: "Basil L. Contovounesios" To: jaime.escalante@gmx.com Subject: Re: bug#48764: mini-buffer completion References: <87fsy1bnlg.fsf@gnus.org> <87tumhia8g.fsf@tcd.ie> Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2021 23:50:52 +0100 In-Reply-To: (jaime.escalante@gmx.com's message of "Tue, 1 Jun 2021 23:00:46 +0200") Message-ID: <8735u1i4hf.fsf@tcd.ie> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 48764 Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 48764@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) jaime.escalante@gmx.com writes: >> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2021 at 8:46 AM >> From: "Basil L. Contovounesios" >> To: jaime.escalante@gmx.com >> Cc: "Lars Ingebrigtsen" , 48764@debbugs.gnu.org >> Subject: Re: bug#48764: mini-buffer completion >> >> jaime.escalante@gmx.com writes: >> >> > How about mini-buffer entries that require user writing a string. How would >> > a user figure out what to do? >> > >> > Is there any information about basic navigation keys for mini-buffer input in the manual? >> >> Does the node (info "(emacs) Minibuffer History")[1] in the Emacs manual >> count? FWIW, it can be found through index entries such as 'minibuffer >> history', 'M-n (minibuffer history)', 'DOWN (minibuffer history)', etc. > > I would like to see some indication of the type of input it requires. How does the type of input it requires differ from the type of input required in any other Emacs buffer? > Perhaps that information can go on the mode-line (for instance some type > of designated coloured mouse button for mini-buffer information). > >> For more details on minibuffer keymaps there's also >> (info "(emacs) Minibuffer Maps")[2], found e.g. via the index entry >> 'C-h r i minibuffer key TAB RET'. >> >> [1]: https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/Minibuffer-History.html >> [2]: https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/Minibuffer-Maps.html >> >> HTH, -- Basil From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jun 01 19:00:46 2021 Received: (at 48764) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Jun 2021 23:00:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38183 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1loDNO-0004i5-1X for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 01 Jun 2021 19:00:46 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.18]:43863) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1loDNL-0004hs-VL for 48764@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 01 Jun 2021 19:00:44 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1622588436; bh=oaBiRCnDqEMCCCaRJx3gaSQ+GXV9GtZ9QKbmUBxV368=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:References; b=IRiRVbsZfAsRbM9TPS5vPgFLvVzO0IaRWKF/NpIh4UoWxMo+O607ViQLFbfDUBF7M yfgg3/CDM2VGsGAe/PxwmLCwdTC6qG69ZE/vkH89fdz4EDj/9Ee4CvMhawXTOvmKZh ygbM1WXRohooVGyKoOMSokVTitc0hpVSq0Ab1fvo= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [213.165.168.94] ([213.165.168.94]) by web-mail.gmx.net (3c-app-mailcom-bs03.server.lan [172.19.170.169]) (via HTTP); Wed, 2 Jun 2021 01:00:36 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: jaime.escalante@gmx.com To: "Basil L. 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Contovounesios" > To: jaime.escalante@gmx.com > Cc: "Lars Ingebrigtsen" , 48764@debbugs.gnu.org > Subject: Re: bug#48764: mini-buffer completion > > jaime.escalante@gmx.com writes: > > >> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2021 at 8:46 AM > >> From: "Basil L. Contovounesios" > >> To: jaime.escalante@gmx.com > >> Cc: "Lars Ingebrigtsen" , 48764@debbugs.gnu.org > >> Subject: Re: bug#48764: mini-buffer completion > >> > >> jaime.escalante@gmx.com writes: > >> > >> > How about mini-buffer entries that require user writing a string. = How would > >> > a user figure out what to do? > >> > > >> > Is there any information about basic navigation keys for mini-buffe= r input in the manual? > >> > >> Does the node (info "(emacs) Minibuffer History")[1] in the Emacs man= ual > >> count? FWIW, it can be found through index entries such as 'minibuff= er > >> history', 'M-n (minibuffer history)', 'DOWN (minibuffer history)', et= c. > > > > I would like to see some indication of the type of input it requires. > > How does the type of input it requires differ from the type of input > required in any other Emacs buffer? It seems to me that you got to know exactly what to do, and I tend to forg= et when I do not use a feature for some time. > > Perhaps that information can go on the mode-line (for instance some ty= pe > > of designated coloured mouse button for mini-buffer information). > > > >> For more details on minibuffer keymaps there's also > >> (info "(emacs) Minibuffer Maps")[2], found e.g. via the index entry > >> 'C-h r i minibuffer key TAB RET'. > >> > >> [1]: https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/Minibu= ffer-History.html > >> [2]: https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/Minibu= ffer-Maps.html > >> > >> HTH, > > -- > Basil > From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jun 01 19:04:44 2021 Received: (at 48764) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Jun 2021 23:04:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38193 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1loDRE-0004oI-KR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 01 Jun 2021 19:04:44 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.15]:38461) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1loDRC-0004o4-NL for 48764@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 01 Jun 2021 19:04:43 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1622588675; bh=minUEst6nPPVSJ1x8qiWbwjaPpNJ7NJW37iBjOAAp+E=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:References; b=YZRoog4vM6qvflR56zQRL1mLwZ/zIVLyRwdfHImfig6DP/gWcb0JqOkna4zaMbn3C bKCaYa2sp+Meq+K8gSm49Os4+KEoKvThij9ggf0SjTavab+ovzdM7uM0BNnnVlJwBR gUcV42lUplzrc46pPogi4rNdvzP5VMljOoqr6Tck= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [213.165.168.94] ([213.165.168.94]) by web-mail.gmx.net (3c-app-mailcom-bs03.server.lan [172.19.170.169]) (via HTTP); Wed, 2 Jun 2021 01:04:35 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: jaime.escalante@gmx.com To: "Basil L. 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Contovounesios" > To: jaime.escalante@gmx.com > Cc: "Lars Ingebrigtsen" , 48764@debbugs.gnu.org > Subject: Re: bug#48764: mini-buffer completion > > jaime.escalante@gmx.com writes: > > >> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2021 at 8:46 AM > >> From: "Basil L. Contovounesios" > >> To: jaime.escalante@gmx.com > >> Cc: "Lars Ingebrigtsen" , 48764@debbugs.gnu.org > >> Subject: bug#48764: mini-buffer completion > >> > >> jaime.escalante@gmx.com writes: > >> > >> > How about mini-buffer entries that require user writing a string. = How would > >> > a user figure out what to do? > >> > > >> > Is there any information about basic navigation keys for mini-buffe= r input in the manual? > >> > >> Does the node (info "(emacs) Minibuffer History")[1] in the Emacs man= ual > >> count? FWIW, it can be found through index entries such as 'minibuff= er > >> history', 'M-n (minibuffer history)', 'DOWN (minibuffer history)', et= c. > > > > We are not really talking about mini-buffer history, but mini-buffer i= nput. > > The OP refers to and . In the minibuffer, these keys by > default navigate so-called "minibuffer history", where e.g. > inserts "future" history, AKA the next default value. So is > actually "navigating" the list of defaults (completing-read's 7th > argument), not the list of completions (completing-read's 2nd argument). For me it was just about cycling through a list of possible inputs. Correct, it is not about list of completions, but navigating the list of defaults. I write a lot of code and cannot always remember what I would be having for input. > If this is not the kind of input you're referring to, then could you > please clarify which input you're referring to? > > >> For more details on minibuffer keymaps there's also > >> (info "(emacs) Minibuffer Maps")[2], found e.g. via the index entry > >> 'C-h r i minibuffer key TAB RET'. > >> > >> [1]: https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/Minibu= ffer-History.html > >> [2]: https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/Minibu= ffer-Maps.html > >> > >> HTH, > > -- > Basil > From unknown Wed Jun 18 23:10:14 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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