From unknown Fri Jun 20 07:13:34 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#48661 <48661@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#48661 <48661@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: reproducibility: build date in modus-themes.info Reply-To: bug#48661 <48661@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2025 14:13:34 +0000 retitle 48661 reproducibility: build date in modus-themes.info reassign 48661 emacs submitter 48661 Glenn Morris severity 48661 minor thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue May 25 17:50:51 2021 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 May 2021 21:50:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47218 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1llews-0003m7-S1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 25 May 2021 17:50:50 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:46480) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1llewp-0003lk-W3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 25 May 2021 17:50:49 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:38222) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1llewk-00058H-Mj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 25 May 2021 17:50:42 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1llewi-0000Bd-KQ; Tue, 25 May 2021 17:50:40 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: submit@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: reproducibility: build date in modus-themes.info X-Debbugs-cc: info@protesilaos.com X-Spook: Jyllandsposten DSD S.E.T. Team Tsunami Warning Center X-Ran: YPY-KmN.E:w`x?m|vexQD9k&brL1uB]{5l/e8vKw[cS$70JO-Y]IV@e$jdx X-Hue: brightred X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Tue, 25 May 2021 17:50:40 -0400 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Package: emacs Version: 28.0.50 Severity: minor doc/misc/modus-themes.org contains this: This manual was built on {{{export-date}}}. This makes the generated info file non-reproducible (different every build). Please consider removing this information. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed May 26 05:15:30 2021 Received: (at 48661-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 May 2021 09:15:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47621 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1llpdS-0003Vx-8Q for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 May 2021 05:15:30 -0400 Received: from relay11.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.178.231]:33637) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1llpdP-0003Vh-JT for 48661-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 May 2021 05:15:28 -0400 Received: (Authenticated sender: public@protesilaos.com) by relay11.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 49323100006; Wed, 26 May 2021 09:15:20 +0000 (UTC) From: Protesilaos Stavrou To: Glenn Morris , 48661-done@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#48661: reproducibility: build date in modus-themes.info In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: Notmuch/0.32 (https://notmuchmail.org) Emacs/28.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Date: Wed, 26 May 2021 12:15:19 +0300 Message-ID: <87bl8x7t5k.fsf@protesilaos.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 48661-done X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) On 2021-05-25, 17:50 -0400, Glenn Morris wrote: > Package: emacs > Version: 28.0.50 > Severity: minor > > doc/misc/modus-themes.org contains this: > > This manual was built on {{{export-date}}}. > > This makes the generated info file non-reproducible (different every build). > Please consider removing this information. Thank you! I just installed the changes as commit 5a762c946e. -- Protesilaos Stavrou https://protesilaos.com From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed May 26 06:22:31 2021 Received: (at 48661) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 May 2021 10:22:31 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47681 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1llqgJ-0005TP-Bv for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 May 2021 06:22:31 -0400 Received: from mail-wr1-f54.google.com ([209.85.221.54]:41842) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1llqgH-0005TB-4c for 48661@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 May 2021 06:22:30 -0400 Received: by mail-wr1-f54.google.com with SMTP id d11so508635wrw.8 for <48661@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 26 May 2021 03:22:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=1RpwzwtB0yFvppYEpWCG68nMuX7FkpWeUXHcNRoZeF0=; b=Uon8JsPBZvQALOd/uEqc8QD0JKo6xmHQ+B4K84eVqEMp1r2HaAXCrn+PGkzkfUe8G7 ckoQicm8Uo886DHR/5TwzgmLHzloBADVOPqNqZpMaUIm0bHRXI7kUtmhcSOn4p9YRYvZ no3nW73ks97FyevnhmUnv73zWbPdtVj13/zTz3jTMyxrmzUMMDr7ItgUPpsdL7HnMYUV CDEC/+QnT/sophUxae7h1nBvIa1Ls1Zf4ASnchNGp53QAE0iicASpaFgaacbrw8BLRn2 UCtGYG4aBUJAnq9Ume4fR0Gfj96hOGo2cO/kn9bE0HuNX51mCzKYqO/D1vSP2FaLqRBo KJMQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=1RpwzwtB0yFvppYEpWCG68nMuX7FkpWeUXHcNRoZeF0=; b=cimsLJQ45mFh9AaLcavxBPJMRYH9fAldDr9NrObkysxHfSapRmxPy6vlVQ7qOf/Ed/ s2j2OTYm0dEbc76z1Y2D7Cswpd48tRSb5Jos78wr9pLPmbKl17LcuElUPIgHefPMgb/C RTsMVlhRS2SVBIpPVCE6Kz8uzbvksvH/2xBEuUT5M0fWxxENgjEXBj2VYU+E/OEnsgug lk0+2xn4BZ3cwSR28PnYMWvYpB3o10u8B3GrQ+bBboysnAbBhQgi1k4wjq+cz4jApfDg dAu8CdneHAy2ZGGcQn0g2+msTDUDMNZPLUCGLWFb40KrpCbwotZ2I+8us9AeHsY0emk4 bBTQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5301Dq6LtRxTd6NlBqPYRpGTr6x9L24yPEyrtpQqLhtvbtWBfBj5 kKbHTGVPSByExqoBPBaBbKA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxjptAhsqNoawNLseAHZlYiXclEUnN9ivWxzTDg/osqlyi7JO2QLbgXmNJ8qmIwar4L+niOQQ== X-Received: by 2002:adf:e684:: with SMTP id r4mr30949268wrm.378.1622024543279; Wed, 26 May 2021 03:22:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from amdahl30 ([2a01:e0a:20e:d340:2ef0:5dff:fed2:7b49]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id l16sm6461247wmj.47.2021.05.26.03.22.22 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Wed, 26 May 2021 03:22:22 -0700 (PDT) From: =?utf-8?Q?K=C3=A9vin_Le_Gouguec?= To: Glenn Morris Subject: Re: bug#48661: reproducibility: build date in modus-themes.info References: Date: Wed, 26 May 2021 12:22:22 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Tue, 25 May 2021 17:50:40 -0400") Message-ID: <877djldcbl.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 48661 Cc: info@protesilaos.com, 48661@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Glenn Morris writes: > This manual was built on {{{export-date}}}. > > This makes the generated info file non-reproducible (different every buil= d). > Please consider removing this information. Question from the peanut gallery: are timestamp information really verboten in reproducible builds? I was led to believe that the SOURCE_DATE_EPOCH mechanism was introduced to allow programs to keep embedding this information, while giving packagers the means to assert reproducibility. https://reproducible-builds.org/docs/source-date-epoch/ I am not well-versed on the subject of reproducible builds, so I apologize if I am misunderstanding the state of things; also, since I don't think the Emacs build system uses the SOURCE_DATE_EPOCH mechanism, I realize that this idea might be out of scope for this bug report=E2=80=A6 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed May 26 06:40:16 2021 Received: (at 48661) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 May 2021 10:40:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47700 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1llqxT-00067s-W9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 May 2021 06:40:16 -0400 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.9]:41787) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1llqxR-00067j-UP for 48661@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 May 2021 06:40:15 -0400 Received: from frontend01.mail.m-online.net (unknown [192.168.8.182]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FqnXD4N8Jz1qtdQ; Wed, 26 May 2021 12:40:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (dynscan1.mnet-online.de [192.168.6.70]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FqnXD2Vq0z1qr3m; Wed, 26 May 2021 12:40:12 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mnet-online.de Received: from mail.mnet-online.de ([192.168.8.182]) by localhost (dynscan1.mail.m-online.net [192.168.6.70]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n0AUHax5Fps8; Wed, 26 May 2021 12:40:11 +0200 (CEST) X-Auth-Info: JKdXkZL5c6cVKDAfN+lVRtQ1uZhT/iZezB5SHoFdW9q5fOkAUdSoUe6WjoB730Jy Received: from igel.home (ppp-46-244-176-177.dynamic.mnet-online.de [46.244.176.177]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Wed, 26 May 2021 12:40:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: by igel.home (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2C2DD2C3689; Wed, 26 May 2021 12:40:11 +0200 (CEST) From: Andreas Schwab To: =?utf-8?Q?K=C3=A9vin?= Le Gouguec Subject: Re: bug#48661: reproducibility: build date in modus-themes.info References: <877djldcbl.fsf@gmail.com> X-Yow: I want a VEGETARIAN BURRITO to go.. with EXTRA MSG!! Date: Wed, 26 May 2021 12:40:11 +0200 In-Reply-To: <877djldcbl.fsf@gmail.com> (=?utf-8?Q?=22K=C3=A9vin?= Le Gouguec"'s message of "Wed, 26 May 2021 12:22:22 +0200") Message-ID: <878s41g4ms.fsf@igel.home> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 48661 Cc: Glenn Morris , info@protesilaos.com, 48661@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) On Mai 26 2021, Kévin Le Gouguec wrote: > Question from the peanut gallery: are timestamp information really > verboten in reproducible builds? I was led to believe that the > SOURCE_DATE_EPOCH mechanism was introduced to allow programs to keep > embedding this information, while giving packagers the means to assert > reproducibility. That requires support for SOURCE_DATE_EPOCH in each place a timestamp is generated. For example, gcc does that for __DATE__ and __TIME__. If org wants to keep the timestamp it should add support for SOURCE_DATE_EPOCH. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 7578 EB47 D4E5 4D69 2510 2552 DF73 E780 A9DA AEC1 "And now for something completely different." From unknown Fri Jun 20 07:13:34 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2021 11:24:07 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator