From unknown Sat Jun 14 03:56:19 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#48592: [PATCH 0/2] Support plural forms of Author and Maintainer library headers Resent-From: Jonas Bernoulli Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 22 May 2021 20:26:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 48592 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: 48592@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.16217151329141 (code B ref -1); Sat, 22 May 2021 20:26:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 May 2021 20:25:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40112 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lkYBg-0002NN-9g for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 22 May 2021 16:25:32 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:56912) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lkYBe-0002NE-Ia for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 22 May 2021 16:25:30 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:35506) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lkYBe-0003ut-Cb for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 22 May 2021 16:25:30 -0400 Received: from mail.hostpark.net ([212.243.197.30]:44620) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lkYBa-0007HF-UQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 22 May 2021 16:25:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.hostpark.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21D23165B5; Sat, 22 May 2021 22:25:22 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=bernoul.li; h= content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:x-mailer:message-id:date :date:subject:subject:from:from:received:received; s=sel2011a; t=1621715119; bh=p8YFN01eRfmecdQeqjaeAcx4o6wol7gMPMAHGB96EjI=; b= zME7qS+DC+cJMeW7rFKEWxEOKeJqgkCpQjQb7GQPL1BZWvhfmN2670qHbjuIepkv s8P6S+ds8CitKXYz6D3a9Nv2tuX+J0hnvqoF55fhx7/UsQgIIGsYQRv2aniM17xl Dv2x+DohMyx37AXvqLmcNFVlZdv3QQw9QQ0m1/sxDh0= X-Virus-Scanned: by Hostpark/NetZone Mailprotection at hostpark.net Received: from mail.hostpark.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail0.hostpark.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10224) with ESMTP id xnyXiO3BX6LS; Sat, 22 May 2021 22:25:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mail.hostpark.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E9ADA165C1; Sat, 22 May 2021 22:25:19 +0200 (CEST) From: Jonas Bernoulli Date: Sat, 22 May 2021 22:25:19 +0200 Message-Id: <20210522202519.32549-1-jonas@bernoul.li> X-Mailer: git-send-email 2.30.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Received-SPF: none client-ip=212.243.197.30; envelope-from=jonas@bernoul.li; helo=mail.hostpark.net X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) It was already possible to specify multiple authors using the "Author" header, but the same was not possible for maintainers. Because some packages have multiple maintainers, which cannot or don't want to be subsumed under some organisation's name, this adds support for specifying multiple maintainers as well. this also adds support for using "Authors" and "Maintainers" as the names of the header fields instead of just the singular forms. [These commits were send using git-send-email, so the email subjects are also the commit message subjects. I would be happy to apply these commits myself once they are approved.] Jonas Bernoulli (2): Support plural forms of Author and Maintainer library headers * lisp/emacs-lisp/lisp-mnt.el (lm-crack-address): Right-trim name. doc/lispref/tips.texi | 24 +++++++++++++----------- lisp/emacs-lisp/lisp-mnt.el | 32 ++++++++++++++++++++------------ 2 files changed, 33 insertions(+), 23 deletions(-) -- 2.30.1 From unknown Sat Jun 14 03:56:19 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#48592: [PATCH 1/2] Support plural forms of Author and Maintainer library headers Resent-From: Jonas Bernoulli Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 22 May 2021 20:33:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 48592 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: 48592@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 48592-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B48592.16217155779897 (code B ref 48592); Sat, 22 May 2021 20:33:02 +0000 Received: (at 48592) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 May 2021 20:32:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40122 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lkYIq-0002ZZ-Lj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 22 May 2021 16:32:56 -0400 Received: from mail.hostpark.net ([212.243.197.30]:54666) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lkYIn-0002ZP-M2 for 48592@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 22 May 2021 16:32:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.hostpark.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1EEB160BF; Sat, 22 May 2021 22:32:52 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=bernoul.li; h= content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:references:in-reply-to :x-mailer:message-id:date:date:subject:subject:from:from :received:received; s=sel2011a; t=1621715570; bh=/fK1gu0H0f8Idtj KnmkdcpewfLFcAL2zF4XQNjaj3TM=; b=E5G4X4uLCCDh+f2i5OZ4YrwvxTbrpNK 4eKsUIDM5vRCJEtUvGCtxpiFh2hLQTpa7I+8g6GoPbOp9d4LnaWmaYdnMxfIzrpy AvU3bl+gP+GyU2g21zhl5RA7bt92r1AK30wpS4SzzP5LgfNJenUmVQJKgZ0r31na yAkTZ26KD3PY= X-Virus-Scanned: by Hostpark/NetZone Mailprotection at hostpark.net Received: from mail.hostpark.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail1.hostpark.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10224) with ESMTP id jWYmin2D_3Qs; Sat, 22 May 2021 22:32:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mail.hostpark.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A04D1160CE; Sat, 22 May 2021 22:32:50 +0200 (CEST) From: Jonas Bernoulli Date: Sat, 22 May 2021 22:32:49 +0200 Message-Id: <20210522203250.2216-1-jonas@bernoul.li> X-Mailer: git-send-email 2.30.1 In-Reply-To: <20210522202519.32549-1-jonas@bernoul.li> References: <20210522202519.32549-1-jonas@bernoul.li> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) * doc/lispref/tips.texi (Library Headers): Mention that in addition to the "Author" and "Maintainer" headers, their plural forms are also supported. * lisp/emacs-lisp/lisp-mnt.el (lm-authors): Consider "Authors" header in addition to "Author". (lm-maintainers): New function. (lm-maintainer): Make obsolete in favor of lm-maintainer. (lm-verify): Use lm-maintainers. Mention plural headers also. (lm-report-bug): Use lm-maintainers. --- doc/lispref/tips.texi | 24 +++++++++++++----------- lisp/emacs-lisp/lisp-mnt.el | 28 ++++++++++++++++++---------- 2 files changed, 31 insertions(+), 21 deletions(-) diff --git a/doc/lispref/tips.texi b/doc/lispref/tips.texi index 36c68ee5ce..25d43dfcfe 100644 --- a/doc/lispref/tips.texi +++ b/doc/lispref/tips.texi @@ -1034,7 +1034,8 @@ Library Headers @table @samp @item Author -This line states the name and email address of at least the principal +@itemx Authors +This header states the name and email address of at least the principal author of the library. If there are multiple authors, list them on continuation lines led by @code{;;} and a tab or at least two spaces. We recommend including a contact email address, of the form @@ -1042,22 +1043,23 @@ Library Headers @smallexample @group -;; Author: Your Name +;; Authors: Your Name ;; Someone Else ;; Another Person @end group @end smallexample @item Maintainer -This header has the same format as the Author header. It lists the -person(s) who currently maintain(s) the file (respond to bug reports, -etc.). - -If there is no maintainer line, the person(s) in the Author field -is/are presumed to be the maintainers. Some files in Emacs use -@samp{emacs-devel@@gnu.org} for the maintainer, which means the author is -no longer responsible for the file, and that it is maintained as part -of Emacs. +@itemx Maintainers +This header has the same format as the Author(s) header. It lists the +person(s) who currently maintain(s) the file (respond(s) to bug +reports, etc.). + +If there is no Maintainer(s) header, the person(s) in the Author(s) +header is/are presumed to be the maintainer(s). Some files in Emacs +use @samp{emacs-devel@@gnu.org} for the maintainer, which means the +author is no longer responsible for the file, and that it is +maintained as part of Emacs. @item Created This optional line gives the original creation date of the file, and diff --git a/lisp/emacs-lisp/lisp-mnt.el b/lisp/emacs-lisp/lisp-mnt.el index 73a33a553f..25b5e8c5bd 100644 --- a/lisp/emacs-lisp/lisp-mnt.el +++ b/lisp/emacs-lisp/lisp-mnt.el @@ -375,17 +375,25 @@ lm-authors Each element of the list is a cons; the car is the full name, the cdr is an email address." (lm-with-file file - (let ((authorlist (lm-header-multiline "author"))) + (let ((authorlist (lm-header-multiline "authors?"))) (mapcar #'lm-crack-address authorlist)))) +(defun lm-maintainers (&optional file) + "Return the maintainer list of file FILE, or current buffer if FILE is nil. +If the maintainers are unspecified, then return the authors. +Each element of the list is a cons; the car is the full name, +the cdr is an email address." + (lm-with-file file + (mapcar #'lm-crack-address + (or (lm-header-multiline "maintainers?") + (lm-header-multiline "authors?"))))) + (defun lm-maintainer (&optional file) "Return the maintainer of file FILE, or current buffer if FILE is nil. +If the maintainer is unspecified, then return the author. The return value has the form (NAME . ADDRESS)." - (lm-with-file file - (let ((maint (lm-header "maintainer"))) - (if maint - (lm-crack-address maint) - (car (lm-authors)))))) + (declare (obsolete lm-maintainers "28.1")) + (car (lm-maintainers file))) (defun lm-creation-date (&optional file) "Return the created date given in file FILE, or current buffer if FILE is nil." @@ -544,9 +552,9 @@ lm-verify ((null name) "Can't find package name") ((not (lm-authors)) - "`Author:' tag missing") - ((not (lm-maintainer)) - "`Maintainer:' tag missing") + "`Author:' or `Authors:' tag missing") + ((not (lm-maintainers)) + "`Maintainer:' or `Maintainers:' tag missing") ((not (lm-summary)) "Can't find the one-line summary description") ((not (lm-keywords)) @@ -613,7 +621,7 @@ lm-report-bug (interactive "sBug Subject: ") (require 'emacsbug) (let ((package (lm-get-package-name)) - (addr (lm-maintainer)) + (addr (car (lm-maintainers))) (version (lm-version))) (compose-mail (if addr (concat (car addr) " <" (cdr addr) ">") -- 2.30.1 From unknown Sat Jun 14 03:56:19 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#48592: [PATCH 2/2] * lisp/emacs-lisp/lisp-mnt.el (lm-crack-address): Right-trim name. Resent-From: Jonas Bernoulli Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 22 May 2021 20:34:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 48592 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: 48592@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 48592-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B48592.16217155959955 (code B ref 48592); Sat, 22 May 2021 20:34:01 +0000 Received: (at 48592) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 May 2021 20:33:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40126 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lkYJ9-0002aU-2K for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 22 May 2021 16:33:15 -0400 Received: from mail.hostpark.net ([212.243.197.30]:54680) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lkYIt-0002Zi-IT for 48592@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 22 May 2021 16:33:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.hostpark.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDD16160BF; Sat, 22 May 2021 22:32:58 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=bernoul.li; h= content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:references:in-reply-to :x-mailer:message-id:date:date:subject:subject:from:from :received:received; s=sel2011a; t=1621715575; bh=ax14ujPY88ppCy4 Aparq/YTEf4Os8QNY4PT4I6mpM58=; b=Dz4lGjrIWfBHNXOqbF3NQbYfY+TuOsk Ud4KnznxezmaUfO1EqDsylperIzR0BEpMZgaX7ck4R2OSOBGBWz+xuOiksVlMS15 93ESvH9Es7+JM7FeQ32cPhVDIG6vfXBAf5c14l30k0qEyQcDdwKTQwoZUMFhJzqN LPv5Y/sr6l8k= X-Virus-Scanned: by Hostpark/NetZone Mailprotection at hostpark.net Received: from mail.hostpark.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail1.hostpark.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10224) with ESMTP id lPfCxOQTWqNw; Sat, 22 May 2021 22:32:55 +0200 (CEST) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mail.hostpark.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C18C3160DE; Sat, 22 May 2021 22:32:55 +0200 (CEST) From: Jonas Bernoulli Date: Sat, 22 May 2021 22:32:50 +0200 Message-Id: <20210522203250.2216-2-jonas@bernoul.li> X-Mailer: git-send-email 2.30.1 In-Reply-To: <20210522203250.2216-1-jonas@bernoul.li> References: <20210522202519.32549-1-jonas@bernoul.li> <20210522203250.2216-1-jonas@bernoul.li> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) The addresses might be aligned in which case we have to trim the extra whitespace at the end of the names. --- lisp/emacs-lisp/lisp-mnt.el | 4 ++-- 1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) diff --git a/lisp/emacs-lisp/lisp-mnt.el b/lisp/emacs-lisp/lisp-mnt.el index 25b5e8c5bd..a73c53def4 100644 --- a/lisp/emacs-lisp/lisp-mnt.el +++ b/lisp/emacs-lisp/lisp-mnt.el @@ -360,10 +360,10 @@ lm-crack-address "Split up an email address X into full name and real email address. The value is a cons of the form (FULLNAME . ADDRESS)." (cond ((string-match "\\(.+\\) [(<]\\(\\S-+@\\S-+\\)[>)]" x) - (cons (match-string 1 x) + (cons (string-trim-right (match-string 1 x)) (match-string 2 x))) ((string-match "\\(\\S-+@\\S-+\\) [(<]\\(.*\\)[>)]" x) - (cons (match-string 2 x) + (cons (string-trim-right (match-string 2 x)) (match-string 1 x))) ((string-match "\\S-+@\\S-+" x) (cons nil x)) -- 2.30.1 From unknown Sat Jun 14 03:56:19 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#48592: [PATCH 0/2] Support plural forms of Author and Maintainer library headers Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 23 May 2021 06:47:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 48592 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Jonas Bernoulli Cc: 48592@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 48592-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B48592.16217523983562 (code B ref 48592); Sun, 23 May 2021 06:47:01 +0000 Received: (at 48592) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 May 2021 06:46:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40506 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lkhsj-0000vO-P4 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 May 2021 02:46:37 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:44406) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lkhsf-0000v8-UZ for 48592@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 May 2021 02:46:36 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:54264) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lkhsZ-0006vK-SN; Sun, 23 May 2021 02:46:28 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:1947 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lkhsZ-0002X4-FF; Sun, 23 May 2021 02:46:27 -0400 Date: Sun, 23 May 2021 09:46:31 +0300 Message-Id: <83fsyej6bc.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <20210522202519.32549-1-jonas@bernoul.li> (message from Jonas Bernoulli on Sat, 22 May 2021 22:25:19 +0200) References: <20210522202519.32549-1-jonas@bernoul.li> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Jonas Bernoulli > Date: Sat, 22 May 2021 22:25:19 +0200 > > It was already possible to specify multiple authors using the "Author" > header, but the same was not possible for maintainers. Because some > packages have multiple maintainers, which cannot or don't want to be > subsumed under some organisation's name, this adds support for > specifying multiple maintainers as well. > > this also adds support for using "Authors" and "Maintainers" as the > names of the header fields instead of just the singular forms. Why do we need these additions? Couldn't we keep using Author and Maintainer? Having both variants immediately begs the question which is preferable and why, arguments about style, and other bikeshedding. Unless there's a good reason for adding new headings, I'd prefer to make do with what we already have. Thanks. From unknown Sat Jun 14 03:56:19 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#48592: [PATCH 0/2] Support plural forms of Author and Maintainer library headers Resent-From: Jonas Bernoulli Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 23 May 2021 08:44:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 48592 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 48592@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 48592-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B48592.162175943014632 (code B ref 48592); Sun, 23 May 2021 08:44:02 +0000 Received: (at 48592) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 May 2021 08:43:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40555 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lkjiA-0003nw-3z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 May 2021 04:43:50 -0400 Received: from mail.hostpark.net ([212.243.197.30]:47920) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lkji5-0003ng-Vo for 48592@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 May 2021 04:43:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.hostpark.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 821E5165C1; Sun, 23 May 2021 10:43:44 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=bernoul.li; h= content-type:content-type:mime-version:message-id:date:date :references:in-reply-to:subject:subject:from:from:received :received; s=sel2011a; t=1621759422; bh=n1WFXnQDVhom6bkN5TrVdb4e 7Y68X5vQz5Q2wN5BkkU=; b=r0/Dx+2GDIRqnGXn0l9fg0awrZxL+4zhrherVYoS njZF4oH1cXH61XwFypEHr0UvfF1nBGuhcPr0267Zpgg0MdVga7KCcudsEYfdQ8iV jBms/2twcMcg0bgaCbQAu6tC55plD0a66K01GNgJtWAafoNpg2wv6i/HInztosW5 gpE= X-Virus-Scanned: by Hostpark/NetZone Mailprotection at hostpark.net Received: from mail.hostpark.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail0.hostpark.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10224) with ESMTP id CJ9Vh2Mvmslf; Sun, 23 May 2021 10:43:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mail.hostpark.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 502E0165B7; Sun, 23 May 2021 10:43:42 +0200 (CEST) From: Jonas Bernoulli In-Reply-To: <83fsyej6bc.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20210522202519.32549-1-jonas@bernoul.li> <83fsyej6bc.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sun, 23 May 2021 10:43:40 +0200 Message-ID: <871r9xon5v.fsf@bernoul.li> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Jonas Bernoulli >> Date: Sat, 22 May 2021 22:25:19 +0200 >> >> It was already possible to specify multiple authors using the "Author" >> header, but the same was not possible for maintainers. Because some >> packages have multiple maintainers, which cannot or don't want to be >> subsumed under some organisation's name, this adds support for >> specifying multiple maintainers as well. >> >> this also adds support for using "Authors" and "Maintainers" as the >> names of the header fields instead of just the singular forms. > > Why do we need these additions? OCD and grammar. > Couldn't we keep using Author and Maintainer? Of course. But why? > Having both variants immediately begs the question which is preferable > and why, arguments about style, and other bikeshedding. The answer seems obvious to me. Do it like (nearly?) all natural languages do it: If n=1 then singular, else (n>1) plural. > Unless there's a good reason for adding new headings, I'd prefer to > make do with what we already have. Grammatical mistakes tend to be distracting, especially if you see the same one over and over again, year after year. I was expecting this to be noncontroversial. ;) From unknown Sat Jun 14 03:56:19 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#48592: [PATCH 0/2] Support plural forms of Author and Maintainer library headers Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 23 May 2021 09:32:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 48592 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Jonas Bernoulli Cc: 48592@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 48592-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B48592.162176230419400 (code B ref 48592); Sun, 23 May 2021 09:32:02 +0000 Received: (at 48592) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 May 2021 09:31:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40601 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lkkSW-00052o-Jj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 May 2021 05:31:44 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:42976) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lkkST-00052Y-7n for 48592@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 May 2021 05:31:43 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:56610) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lkkSN-0008IS-GJ; Sun, 23 May 2021 05:31:35 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:4307 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lkkSM-0002Xf-QZ; Sun, 23 May 2021 05:31:35 -0400 Date: Sun, 23 May 2021 12:31:39 +0300 Message-Id: <837djpkd8k.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <871r9xon5v.fsf@bernoul.li> (message from Jonas Bernoulli on Sun, 23 May 2021 10:43:40 +0200) References: <20210522202519.32549-1-jonas@bernoul.li> <83fsyej6bc.fsf@gnu.org> <871r9xon5v.fsf@bernoul.li> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Jonas Bernoulli > Cc: 48592@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sun, 23 May 2021 10:43:40 +0200 > > >> this also adds support for using "Authors" and "Maintainers" as the > >> names of the header fields instead of just the singular forms. > > > > Why do we need these additions? > > OCD and grammar. > > > Couldn't we keep using Author and Maintainer? > > Of course. But why? To keep Emacs smaller and less complex. > > Having both variants immediately begs the question which is preferable > > and why, arguments about style, and other bikeshedding. > > The answer seems obvious to me. Do it like (nearly?) all natural > languages do it: If n=1 then singular, else (n>1) plural. > > > Unless there's a good reason for adding new headings, I'd prefer to > > make do with what we already have. > > Grammatical mistakes tend to be distracting, especially if you see the > same one over and over again, year after year. > > I was expecting this to be noncontroversial. ;) See above. But maybe I'm the odd one out here. Does anyone else have an opinion on adding these headers? From unknown Sat Jun 14 03:56:19 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#48592: [PATCH 0/2] Support plural forms of Author and Maintainer library headers Resent-From: Colin Baxter Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 23 May 2021 09:53:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 48592 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: , 48592@debbugs.gnu.org, Jonas Bernoulli Received: via spool by 48592-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B48592.162176353621281 (code B ref 48592); Sun, 23 May 2021 09:53:02 +0000 Received: (at 48592) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 May 2021 09:52:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40619 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lkkmO-0005XB-6I for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 May 2021 05:52:16 -0400 Received: from forward104j.mail.yandex.net ([5.45.198.247]:38953) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lkkmK-0005Ww-JP for 48592@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 May 2021 05:52:15 -0400 Received: from myt6-5c8bb24560be.qloud-c.yandex.net (myt6-5c8bb24560be.qloud-c.yandex.net [IPv6:2a02:6b8:c12:299e:0:640:5c8b:b245]) by forward104j.mail.yandex.net (Yandex) with ESMTP id 950BA4A1205; Sun, 23 May 2021 12:52:06 +0300 (MSK) Received: from myt5-ca5ec8faf378.qloud-c.yandex.net (myt5-ca5ec8faf378.qloud-c.yandex.net [2a02:6b8:c12:2514:0:640:ca5e:c8fa]) by myt6-5c8bb24560be.qloud-c.yandex.net (mxback/Yandex) with ESMTP id r7AbeWyiMc-q6KKPLKT; Sun, 23 May 2021 12:52:06 +0300 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yandex.com; s=mail; t=1621763526; bh=r7MgY4IN01F2NTeVLvJ4X5HS15L0RlTfIiVN91c6RBU=; h=In-Reply-To:Subject:To:From:Message-ID:Cc:Cc:Date:References; b=s84DoHX0Mj93dmnZGEn7yO0p7yENTdw7GHxTrfm+zFDZfdSdS1oupsI95Jq1nsZZQ oBLyY5erqrYzNxOX2IRieQM5f7in/p/aDkveiWpqjYrIGghlp2ZUdRqwIrm+0Tiv7h wfDnSig9Dk4gvtZKQ93x4hES5QrBrHnFrHx/BdTc= Authentication-Results: myt6-5c8bb24560be.qloud-c.yandex.net; dkim=pass header.i=@yandex.com Received: by myt5-ca5ec8faf378.qloud-c.yandex.net (smtp/Yandex) with ESMTPSA id bDXyDXJd15-q5KCo82K; Sun, 23 May 2021 12:52:05 +0300 (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client certificate not present) From: Colin Baxter References: <20210522202519.32549-1-jonas@bernoul.li> <83fsyej6bc.fsf@gnu.org> <871r9xon5v.fsf@bernoul.li> <837djpkd8k.fsf@gnu.org> X-Face: BHjiJOg/Qmj'BQgsAKL@])L)e62P)C"Y=6T Date: Sun, 23 May 2021 10:52:03 +0100 In-Reply-To: <837djpkd8k.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 23 May 2021 12:31:39 +0300") Message-ID: <87a6ol6am4.fsf@yandex.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAAEkAAAATAgMAAAChCMjeAAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAACVBMVEX/zAABCWP///8I RHjYAAAAAWJLR0QCZgt8ZAAAAAlwSFlzAAALEwAACxMBAJqcGAAAAAd0SU1FB+UFEAk5BvqS634A AAAbSURBVBjTY2BgCA1hYA0FAxDDgQEERsXoIAYA2F9Eb3cpB+AAAAAldEVYdGRhdGU6Y3JlYXRl ADIwMjEtMDUtMTZUMTA6NTY6MTcrMDE6MDCh/kkpAAAAJXRFWHRkYXRlOm1vZGlmeQAyMDIxLTA1 LTE2VDA5OjU3OjA2KzAxOjAwTyZ6HwAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) >>>>> Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Jonas Bernoulli Cc: >> 48592@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Sun, 23 May 2021 10:43:40 +0200 >> >> >> this also adds support for using "Authors" and "Maintainers" >> as the >> names of the header fields instead of just the singular >> forms. >> > >> > Why do we need these additions? >> >> OCD and grammar. >> >> > Couldn't we keep using Author and Maintainer? >> >> Of course. But why? > To keep Emacs smaller and less complex. >> > Having both variants immediately begs the question which is >> preferable > and why, arguments about style, and other >> bikeshedding. >> >> The answer seems obvious to me. Do it like (nearly?) all natural >> languages do it: If n=1 then singular, else (n>1) plural. >> >> > Unless there's a good reason for adding new headings, I'd >> prefer to > make do with what we already have. >> >> Grammatical mistakes tend to be distracting, especially if you >> see the same one over and over again, year after year. >> >> I was expecting this to be noncontroversial. ;) > See above. > But maybe I'm the odd one out here. Does anyone else have an > opinion on adding these headers? I would argue that in this case, the terms Author, Maintainer includes the plurals since they name the sets whose elements are various authors, maintainers. An example would be BibTeX, whose field AUTHOR and include multiple names separated by the conjunction 'and'. Best wishes, From unknown Sat Jun 14 03:56:19 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#48592: [PATCH 0/2] Support plural forms of Author and Maintainer library headers Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 23 May 2021 11:09:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 48592 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 48592@debbugs.gnu.org, Jonas Bernoulli Received: via spool by 48592-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B48592.16217681265080 (code B ref 48592); Sun, 23 May 2021 11:09:02 +0000 Received: (at 48592) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 May 2021 11:08:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40663 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lklyQ-0001Js-G2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 May 2021 07:08:46 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:49528) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lklyM-0001Jd-NV for 48592@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 May 2021 07:08:46 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=V29jPv4fSrC09o8G/NO8nQHNpMhhs4wfklihmXej/sQ=; b=L5LEZIYyKjfqKyNy6OwViavXCk v4P5fafbLQOUaQpg4jCi3yd8MKGUs8DRa6wecL5UivhKfO5mSetAc2BYLoFi9IXbLMbY+ZvTtacbG DPA+WfgU4lo6IhACvoT8SSPkq9nOP8bat5nSleOqdAPf45NBgNWp8Ih2eNbsgy0LnnEM=; Received: from cm-84.212.220.105.getinternet.no ([84.212.220.105] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lklyD-0001jW-MB; Sun, 23 May 2021 13:08:36 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <20210522202519.32549-1-jonas@bernoul.li> <83fsyej6bc.fsf@gnu.org> <871r9xon5v.fsf@bernoul.li> <837djpkd8k.fsf@gnu.org> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAFVBMVEX+/vzlzZ6/lWz7 98+XbEs2Lif///9n/utRAAAAAWJLR0QGYWa4fQAAAAd0SU1FB+UFEg0PE7NT/rcAAAGpSURBVDjL ddRLdusgDABQJ7TzAO68UsncDukCqoj5ey3sfyuVIORLPXAc3YMEipxpul7OrzHG6ekyEOMQNju5 XeFr6U+Huiz27+W7g32A0gHq/ZKrlPe/4N/5iWAyfok9V7kUOdnFSPwKvQjhYuJ0OYnArp1PYIO7 W2hFjJfI/Yr/DXbnXfVtuVTOsNyDUI2Y9yc4N/e02qXC8gR+GsH0tcYx0AE/hsAr+CGEKMXlmE/w qSdcB/BykrgdpNqytdYPYMOEQ9gygR+NVuC24BGOzNhm8T6XY2Yq5B9gdUEgp5LhNpd1YEOoUEq2 lyVbQrkCJ1YohTrNEoZag0u7oGUTADvfQmHfAGwtjpS61Mn5RGu1BiHtO2SFV5A4EkvGuQZTbnO7 Bd0Vkm4hl5Q5/TQwkqcSAuTC3ylJyjpjR5Y1TtfBnIn2bN8aHAIgoEOy6DjvCVNQMHElhxJDuVnC ULdVIWpZmLWQlR/LhgbSzVkhBDkIEEinzFzqCxOP2kZpSajgo9EebuIVWE8jo7Iq6D/OAZAFpFvy KUOk74OOXnRLYO2iJMvyy0uy6RfLPnvmOhjsugAAACV0RVh0ZGF0ZTpjcmVhdGUAMjAyMS0wNS0x OFQxMzoxNToxOCswMDowMCmsDEEAAAAldEVYdGRhdGU6bW9kaWZ5ADIwMjEtMDUtMThUMTM6MTU6 MTgrMDA6MDBY8bT9AAAAAElFTkSuQmCC X-Now-Playing: Zola Jesus's _Taiga_: "Hunger" Date: Sun, 23 May 2021 13:08:33 +0200 In-Reply-To: <837djpkd8k.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 23 May 2021 12:31:39 +0300") Message-ID: <87wnrpaery.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii writes: > But maybe I'm the odd one out here. Does anyone else have an opinion > on adding these headers? These are "protocol"-ish headers (i.e., for machines to parse), and should not be changed or extended. Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: > But maybe I'm the odd one out here. Does anyone else have an opinion > on adding these headers? These are "protocol"-ish headers (i.e., for machines to parse), and should not be changed or extended. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From unknown Sat Jun 14 03:56:19 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#48592: [PATCH 0/2] Support plural forms of Author and Maintainer library headers Resent-From: Michael Albinus Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 23 May 2021 11:49:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 48592 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: 48592@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , Jonas Bernoulli Received: via spool by 48592-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B48592.162177053417305 (code B ref 48592); Sun, 23 May 2021 11:49:02 +0000 Received: (at 48592) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 May 2021 11:48:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40701 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lkmbF-0004V3-Uw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 May 2021 07:48:54 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.18]:34093) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lkmbD-0004Uo-6o for 48592@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 May 2021 07:48:53 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1621770524; bh=zISgovxtguNyLtoVxYOUIl18f60nc+VwqgftQT4e6O0=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=ca7LyEoVRVMDa4oi1RISKcz1d2MAbhZdZWC8JdbdigYJZWMS7udvv40KdTNFmDi1U UE3TEvCcHDJuFRt6+0CREu/mEZ5jqDQanKe2Wz3GFsk/MNAaM6pKjMOHX7jTdj10DM 0/nP6MCCv0HRT+88kUORkj4wiPDv3HlFMBIBd8GA= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from gandalf.gmx.de ([79.140.119.224]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx004 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MvK4Z-1lTWlJ2zzN-00rDfb; Sun, 23 May 2021 13:48:44 +0200 From: Michael Albinus References: <20210522202519.32549-1-jonas@bernoul.li> <83fsyej6bc.fsf@gnu.org> <871r9xon5v.fsf@bernoul.li> <837djpkd8k.fsf@gnu.org> <87wnrpaery.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Sun, 23 May 2021 13:48:43 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87wnrpaery.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sun, 23 May 2021 13:08:33 +0200") Message-ID: <871r9xpt5w.fsf@gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:c1oBym+cHSpWEpBVCYXkPO2IOFIdtfAuej+yk37JXCKYkQqTU+O OyNlimlZZmVfuf+xy3R/jbnnSVDoNH0bq8Tnq00S7Gl2o1NpjSPa024FPLXcOW72yMfHwqN PoRVtYDXj4zQoMAiTnlRItbTFLDMizy4wvZdhkvx2hvx4mb4qQtHKNWlDzfEwiV9oQsi1H7 3lbjm23D+SjzuZtGqEPbg== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:F4rjbfsEMUc=:Ls/jvlZi/sDd9Jwi048G9E EuUdtWd2UhNS963lOeZTR9w4TcWRXxrgsCHsSKjpexlEHJKsyWsFyqoaPx0oi19ub4ZeQOwMn 8mGrTRX7SKe1nD7Ml4+LNzMp612dWPZwqzg4FfcIodtWwSWmtaFJ9EnvoyGaihdlYJc5CdOvC PdG68KReUfFDYAdr0jjFcQcm4E+BkXtK8DI1H8AiVTCQNFMr0+ib2rVfrcIsqR3pw/O7aZUJe Drha8tf3d4Cs9dd0oOQqeCyi+wSBBHfE1nTwTb/mj8uQQmb87xLKgXxGE3Xa8Db9vEENhX2xq oBYHbE8nVD6vfeQMo30Sv4VUF8iWAdnjz8kd+ELn9qSvMeCnKNQ2LqebqOCOQTo2UGZL7n1dY RRyCQ9vPbKrum1r3XgfRQK6hGIW1xQShiTdhArW11MXSKAtXkB7xw6zN5evbi3O5dl2yQrh3u M+LRzfvxfFpzMetr/i9Bh53fj6yxJXpyFLsLNE1lrCURpZfZ2PELEre4qLDcQd85GOwCTeI+J V97YSsPN1iBBoMFad5PqwUGuUrvUyoxrAcxxkpeyFYXEFH0NWnrRJQp5FEiPKm4F3QPj7B4zV CgZPgJabItbL8go6XbmfawG1lsCHewLT8J00mNHcgLzOSNY/adnhFeVuLBztBBQAUKPB3PYiF 5Gftc4AyGcMrpKsmDBQkLOb+eUZuvxj63F1NpmbYkEmW7pWVaMb8bp6Ru663+GqsYfLacjeJj cOToab3y/XJCqFPPMpxtbrT9XAVVoogsqwmCVlu1ieJh+Cks4TKwao5XLH3M1yu+s0pytca8M kAwPRrrKfDzlsU4sAlUQDmRXFUHVarAH4ICxT4lt6Je85pKCszZBZjhOvCuUuBJDqlQMNZ+1U G5BNybmctIoF5AxI8WiZ5XUyXlTmfxhMT+bDIZEjIf+JrfIEH5Aj954WgRtzhFU5aVPRuS1J3 TeyxmRfHrRhJnnE9VwVIKK1/LDc0Wfj30rTOmasA1275VzLNCFt4rA+WP4pFBzZM3NEIGxD1V JJoQ1GaI+dlPugQobE8UfQAQGJ0zkQ4A3FTnf8n4lDQsw1Mgd4vTm1SSAneGBXHBAqkBD7Dg6 9JHWGlVLdKHudYaWxgyZWhOr7Mz0X/xmCsQSdj86BoPTn0kJWMM3o/xeA== X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: >> But maybe I'm the odd one out here. Does anyone else have an opinion >> on adding these headers? > > These are "protocol"-ish headers (i.e., for machines to parse), and > should not be changed or extended. Indeed. Something like (lm-header "Author") wouldn't work for the keyword "Authors". Best regards, Michael. From unknown Sat Jun 14 03:56:19 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#48592: [PATCH 0/2] Support plural forms of Author and Maintainer library headers Resent-From: Jonas Bernoulli Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 23 May 2021 18:22:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 48592 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Michael Albinus , Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 48592@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 48592-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B48592.16217940695787 (code B ref 48592); Sun, 23 May 2021 18:22:01 +0000 Received: (at 48592) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 May 2021 18:21:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41743 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lksir-0001VH-CH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 May 2021 14:21:09 -0400 Received: from mail.hostpark.net ([212.243.197.30]:48448) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lksim-0001V4-8h for 48592@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 May 2021 14:21:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.hostpark.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E45F9160DE; Sun, 23 May 2021 20:21:02 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=bernoul.li; h= content-type:content-type:mime-version:message-id:date:date :references:in-reply-to:subject:subject:from:from:received :received; s=sel2011a; t=1621794060; bh=ifvakPRRSCn/w8QQybe0gvAJ 44zhaXQHDX//zYub6i4=; b=obFkTTOTIs9Evyy/5HUd7lwQibucqqi6lit4BrwF YNPu930aVJQ5/FW/lyzrWinrW5A0VIWn7FdAZLqVUKuiuNJrp5mT59BnUemT5dYi W1fib7MmEUeChuFXfukMfYi+WG3TbClzBhJ6d5NO7SZPltezew3y1xecv7EmJJQz TS0= X-Virus-Scanned: by Hostpark/NetZone Mailprotection at hostpark.net Received: from mail.hostpark.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail1.hostpark.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10224) with ESMTP id HD36oEQF2Mjb; Sun, 23 May 2021 20:21:00 +0200 (CEST) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mail.hostpark.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B669F160BF; Sun, 23 May 2021 20:21:00 +0200 (CEST) From: Jonas Bernoulli In-Reply-To: <871r9xpt5w.fsf@gmx.de> References: <20210522202519.32549-1-jonas@bernoul.li> <83fsyej6bc.fsf@gnu.org> <871r9xon5v.fsf@bernoul.li> <837djpkd8k.fsf@gnu.org> <87wnrpaery.fsf@gnus.org> <871r9xpt5w.fsf@gmx.de> Date: Sun, 23 May 2021 20:21:00 +0200 Message-ID: <87v979mhv7.fsf@bernoul.li> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) :( Okay. This is not the hill I want to die on. Are you okay with replacing lm-maintainer with lm-maintainers? From unknown Sat Jun 14 03:56:19 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#48592: [PATCH 0/2] Support plural forms of Author and Maintainer library headers Resent-From: Michael Albinus Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 23 May 2021 18:46:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 48592 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Jonas Bernoulli Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 48592@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 48592-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B48592.16217955377914 (code B ref 48592); Sun, 23 May 2021 18:46:02 +0000 Received: (at 48592) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 May 2021 18:45:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41754 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lkt6W-00023a-Kt for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 May 2021 14:45:36 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.21]:46875) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lkt6U-00023M-FZ for 48592@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 May 2021 14:45:35 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1621795527; bh=P8GP4rYu+edYNW+a0a36/aLabx2iMpk8D/ytFVSjNnQ=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=efLcQy3lb3k6PObe187cT0+w9jTMpUfdq52VuQjcd16wCNU70fQHnDvvy//FBWouE XeVJ+wgzcq+d9tNogFVhV+X/BZ91RFVvH0GZv4u3EfToAAC0fkk2u61i7/+Iza6zdD Fz5tkG5UGk2sEPHkFIWL9MROjwhCAv1bllGTJBqs= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from gandalf.gmx.de ([79.140.119.224]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx105 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1N1fmq-1lIC7D1BJg-012441; Sun, 23 May 2021 20:45:27 +0200 From: Michael Albinus References: <20210522202519.32549-1-jonas@bernoul.li> <83fsyej6bc.fsf@gnu.org> <871r9xon5v.fsf@bernoul.li> <837djpkd8k.fsf@gnu.org> <87wnrpaery.fsf@gnus.org> <871r9xpt5w.fsf@gmx.de> <87v979mhv7.fsf@bernoul.li> Date: Sun, 23 May 2021 20:45:25 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87v979mhv7.fsf@bernoul.li> (Jonas Bernoulli's message of "Sun, 23 May 2021 20:21:00 +0200") Message-ID: <87tumtnvay.fsf@gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:sN2asX4HK3SYvwVnRTKX2+OSw8lxHeuKbMe0+H2lqzADH/rKXr9 DQspbmTyNZ6gXZbyFvwgUzR9Rv9/ARXelve7BGI+EHZ8/VJnAJrKeClwqpdpqpbhH1ZgTg1 RQZe3cNHlXTUxWdrGRnUHFTohe/iswJewbLdPsYhE2pzAzGKu0Z7Quul5RZFf6G9QC736oU 5hILVkPtzc7fuT63DXSdg== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:PCTgqRCGPOo=:pNf9x5JO54dsV6s5k6cXod 70ckFVfSfEO/5ze2hSMdUrfSjpBoIOBObTr+Kcxhlz536T2EWGQWPFSubFsWupcpdXZelCdS6 iA+pWozHdThQivRYYc98prJdrVOQYF7cLzD7iFrGbmPazPe8gblBPOCBIK7FnFWauByxoIFfx Wha6SlUI5nfdX/GhfxNEqo5W/W06m8VmmuBytBPhXGgW/4hXb1LARpQxhux9pPspKvzV/AYVk zWfVgDLkOSoi8f66JQ+sRvSmIezrF48Qz9uTZT4dk978wx3sg4ZlOx0X0Nuq3Kos4PFRDw2cU sraRHwkHChRh0fxeqF7wsjC/ZWIUCHQ/F02Wmmv+dtYMnhxOCdZ20hkZnC2+xYX8u+HpUrtNc DxKwE7499+ZL8PzcfE5Vn/5H8yNWkpLrj83SS12KA1IwMNG/3Tcb65scT7krm8G+Jq4EFhY/6 a6DqgnE+ejy/HFK7H9E3dAQE4H4zXLU2iaHEpmb4IS5wUWhPTzne39VHjMFlHAcPWbmgfYVy4 i78P0UnJIJQqgLsu/56bSXnRdyx3bT3CKP1c7ej2/F7XTl2W1Ncw6vbmfEeG6NzuFNTb19iWD iqx9NksMIufNloLMBiCLSd+9182HfKdPFLM0qTUFPX3vSlFCdfwxV8fXa7t37/BlX5MBT3uvF bq8Y/TYq2ir18xqqnRJokw8pj/QAdG6iNehO/wS0Qsn2lJqnFJNx9rfX7OIasXyoL07Hk/JZJ CUv07nALCOw6ExgzK8AQ3wVrYpGCz1amFdIEkvQAjTx6LYkyBRJBMQea0o1YMTurcspwAPXER loqmclzorFRqRtYy8tm2DUDLtOdhVCaetZBOnH8LwYpv8lWuCBuKPr7+SWDPQPW8mUtWib8LI t8FOqZP2NVAmwWTGe1aEdMaJYzBWFGHdCl49LS477nsNMtEfFvgpDHYXOJ04z9EWx4EI4f1QO py9wWGSMW0EJRR4LYS6cNl48lW40sqWLSvkmWj2UPiJZWuoX/surtdSExECLZHvDeTBKE5r2w xy3F3ViuVKVyZnQdAp1uz1RhNDFOiDtmsYEqHGpUURqqH9LR90e19bqKUU0ECeaQ+BMOz4ICm APp/qf7aM/ExlvEhBHneJZ4kcr1XYAmjkhBlh6kT1k7jqgzvj5oC2kCGqkOjXY9Smb7/Zlnus lhu6qMBPvdRE0VkulA4VPSPOTrTXkYA2lYwmEgqqWVneJ1p1AL2cJdJNowQjeVJx6RLSvD7+i SFCeUoD+VDL4FhEKQ X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Jonas Bernoulli writes: Hi Jonas, > Are you okay with replacing lm-maintainer with lm-maintainers? Same argument, again. I have no idea, whether there is some code in the wild which uses (lm-header "Maintainer"). package.el does, implicitly. It would fail, if new packages arrive with the "Maintainers" keyword, accessed from an older Emacs. Best regards, Michael. From unknown Sat Jun 14 03:56:19 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#48592: [PATCH 0/2] Support plural forms of Author and Maintainer library headers Resent-From: Jonas Bernoulli Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 23 May 2021 21:15:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 48592 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Michael Albinus Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 48592@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 48592-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B48592.162180449230301 (code B ref 48592); Sun, 23 May 2021 21:15:02 +0000 Received: (at 48592) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 May 2021 21:14:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41855 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lkvQx-0007sc-Qn for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 May 2021 17:14:52 -0400 Received: from mail.hostpark.net ([212.243.197.30]:33560) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lkvQt-0007sS-H5 for 48592@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 23 May 2021 17:14:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.hostpark.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A96A165C1; Sun, 23 May 2021 23:14:46 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=bernoul.li; h= content-type:content-type:mime-version:message-id:date:date :references:in-reply-to:subject:subject:from:from:received :received; s=sel2011a; t=1621804483; bh=2r70CFdfzZ8GxO4KUpHS/FsL 0y3sZaMWInogbcPKSo4=; b=eujGh0A3cSXbGHmNtsOA/ziGhsJwYGSo1B8QdT7l gQQtQwDjW9peTC+NzucXJojSLIXmt+NMwz827kxcA1YuzWMl8SA4Zy31VySky/WY HEmWUe6BVdN9IhTmxxuGqqLoXBC2Py7OmSHO6fWd8/6JCXIIinKrpGVJ/F/B0Vo5 lkE= X-Virus-Scanned: by Hostpark/NetZone Mailprotection at hostpark.net Received: from mail.hostpark.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail0.hostpark.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10224) with ESMTP id mVGoUf9_ZNPz; Sun, 23 May 2021 23:14:43 +0200 (CEST) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mail.hostpark.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1E489165B5; Sun, 23 May 2021 23:14:43 +0200 (CEST) From: Jonas Bernoulli In-Reply-To: <87tumtnvay.fsf@gmx.de> References: <20210522202519.32549-1-jonas@bernoul.li> <83fsyej6bc.fsf@gnu.org> <871r9xon5v.fsf@bernoul.li> <837djpkd8k.fsf@gnu.org> <87wnrpaery.fsf@gnus.org> <871r9xpt5w.fsf@gmx.de> <87v979mhv7.fsf@bernoul.li> <87tumtnvay.fsf@gmx.de> Date: Sun, 23 May 2021 23:14:42 +0200 Message-ID: <87sg2dm9tp.fsf@bernoul.li> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Michael Albinus writes: > Jonas Bernoulli writes: > > Hi Jonas, > >> Are you okay with replacing lm-maintainer with lm-maintainers? > > Same argument, again. I have no idea, whether there is some code in the > wild which uses (lm-header "Maintainer"). package.el does, implicitly. > > It would fail, if new packages arrive with the "Maintainers" keyword, > accessed from an older Emacs. > > Best regards, Michael. I see I need to be more verbose. I made two proposals: 1) Allow writing "Authors" instead of "Author" and "Maintainers" instead of "Maintainer". Everyone else in this thread thinks we shouldn't do that and I don't care enough to argue about it. 2) Some packages are being maintained by multiple people and those people are not members of some group or organization that could be used as a short-hand. All of those people should be listed because they all do important work. Emacs has a function whose purpose is to return the maintainer. It is called lm-maintainer. It returns just one maintainer, "the" maintainer. Even if the package has multiple maintainers and they are all listed. I propose that we accept the fact that some packages have multiple maintainers, and that we do that by adding a new function named lm-maintainers, which returns a list of maintainers. If there is only one maintainer, it returns a list of length one. There is already a function called lm-authors. Lets do the same for maintainers. I have given up on (1) and would still like to do (2). Jonas From unknown Sat Jun 14 03:56:19 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#48592: [PATCH 0/2] Support plural forms of Author and Maintainer library headers Resent-From: Michael Albinus Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 24 May 2021 07:05:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 48592 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Jonas Bernoulli Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 48592@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 48592-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B48592.162183989529506 (code B ref 48592); Mon, 24 May 2021 07:05:01 +0000 Received: (at 48592) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 May 2021 07:04:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42233 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ll4dy-0007fq-Nr for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 24 May 2021 03:04:54 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.15]:44829) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ll4dw-0007fb-DX for 48592@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 24 May 2021 03:04:53 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1621839885; bh=uelSPm7jWASMkb6xZVaB/pqxMicHqGMg/6EgubYLZRQ=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=IK/KvbVNkohunTlm0xYVe6jW+y+XYERbmnHueu6ldWuuy6bE+5s0CuU4DNtc4KyeI dJtZfFsDjrMiYlyiQe56RA/bdvsXCEvtXhy97I8RKot5Han0QkKq8gHz2i8PPSpnAa jlTAmsIcD1CcvdkISR4Np/Jp0iHLiNQ6iDFJ6TP8= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from gandalf.gmx.de ([213.220.149.163]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx004 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MjS5A-1l0Vgl1jvm-00kzVf; Mon, 24 May 2021 09:04:45 +0200 From: Michael Albinus References: <20210522202519.32549-1-jonas@bernoul.li> <83fsyej6bc.fsf@gnu.org> <871r9xon5v.fsf@bernoul.li> <837djpkd8k.fsf@gnu.org> <87wnrpaery.fsf@gnus.org> <871r9xpt5w.fsf@gmx.de> <87v979mhv7.fsf@bernoul.li> <87tumtnvay.fsf@gmx.de> <87sg2dm9tp.fsf@bernoul.li> Date: Mon, 24 May 2021 09:04:37 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87sg2dm9tp.fsf@bernoul.li> (Jonas Bernoulli's message of "Sun, 23 May 2021 23:14:42 +0200") Message-ID: <87pmxgobne.fsf@gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:Uu/qEgtfwcONqChFK/fXtNkYfM/UCxA3VOKcS7v3tSEhVi9KyuZ gPYwszr60eOX4u7Kcsx16Y70HQ/tLYflba6nr8EoDBy5F9RK3A+JmJ5yDLBkjPsOAfzgG8L 46wWqyWraaF2yD8umLVU/WBegbmJqS7ERtD6c8PjngXI+/KOmJ2ggqVB571LLf8NAyReTRG z+xWd8aH1kdqY1O2T7P+A== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:rCL+xtx1TwI=:7DSIIK7N1jcQJyppNNWXzb Eh4vLSIq0rDEzSSg2xhsYvkDhvW+jQ3ErbKvOcu1LNVM7Af69fSSbGomJ0FE8HsvNxhDmIYFU yChnWH4kJRIBumhyhWBJF1YqKCcH6A2IcEFnTYjDwHs7au50hYjl5iI35/XPbZ8KijL5QEvBp Nknv+VFBpctHW26tXH/iTSXDqJZbtskFqDVUMZBayBKTHy3V4d3lK8Bv39SDy41iwR8TJWBiy eAITlQ5RXPDQFCH9eTXSsoomh5V3g742qbTyiZ8UPUFBCt8o9S/VemY9jDNmIzj34fofAvEgd WyhtaUXp4yd75c+3sc/TaJqB4IWph3ZcWyua0Z7aw+OhcbeN94HXLdyfnusQUcYvpQ92HuYub vue/NketA6SyyX6USt7oIchWDC6O4xFyfC9v/u+9GzZucqXTglwa9z3XhZUy/Y4Zuat/g9OH9 vvKhJLuD1aM5wCp5zbfUKCdXWRUQWdAvGYjTHsj0XhDc6us1rUoLYNbPfxk6wiqxCZv/1aei1 2d2xfGr21YUj2xnc9PFqlcoJNz/XQwShB9bYfB8DI71y3GjSCTTOw3tfC40jS3E4aqD0zw3Fl X3ARCHcx1vqupgJ0RRp5LqbMdlPIfSS4df6VLTssYLG+AiLE7mAiiivEJRHNb42Ustvo4bdG1 5NRKJHYyxQW85GrlBUNKba3hfyhmPcNBo4nlPRK6AWQ1zR9rN7S7Jqk4fQKSh/XN4sqiduRSl 1BvqfHSCA2Pj2y8/39XWPZz4ngqgs/2JDkEGFvFo1roL4wBqqCPcujbDKjVGRbExTjtPfXwUp xVaPemxItlQX+boYp9pcswp/SweoLFSOAb8Z9BF1SmeU7ZaFZVFbu/lPXUO2bkfMq6dRGMfQ9 j3caMm+R4Y4RP9q0JivoIxaw7o5bw8R/djhFbFV1s0aH9YGIKHNy50GyJe36ruqE+AYfzDKqA COvUx6WVkmemL29Nfxb0QffvwjHFQEhr9rIU6yzxG2f/NH9L4Y/InAcxd6OFaFojrZSOMu5Iw YBbBC4PABgXBHtaIM4asesHZt7oJ7NnpmfTO+/1KLUOK/C3yfdOcSuVoExTqsxkpfdvSN8uFx h2rWidWyYlmykFp5+4aaHH3Jtyij0/P06HgI4IyfXvAxvUsmBMwkggQF9gAdhw0h+SgrKa7jL vwruvIc6C7hQYcd5MWz0J9qXTeuR2LmMkxpllop/iNpB5Bx4k/HL+wh0EQDX134UoKDwsaB4U frKFSmwGx8G5WWsFo X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Jonas Bernoulli writes: Hi Jonas, > 2) Some packages are being maintained by multiple people and those > people are not members of some group or organization that could be > used as a short-hand. All of those people should be listed because > they all do important work. Emacs has a function whose purpose is to > return the maintainer. It is called lm-maintainer. It returns just > one maintainer, "the" maintainer. Even if the package has multiple > maintainers and they are all listed. I propose that we accept the > fact that some packages have multiple maintainers, and that we do > that by adding a new function named lm-maintainers, which returns a > list of maintainers. If there is only one maintainer, it returns a > list of length one. There is already a function called lm-authors. > Lets do the same for maintainers. > > I have given up on (1) and would still like to do (2). Fine by me. > Jonas Best regards, Michael. From unknown Sat Jun 14 03:56:19 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#48592: [PATCH 0/2] Support plural forms of Author and Maintainer library headers Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 24 May 2021 07:30:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 48592 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Michael Albinus , Jonas Bernoulli Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 48592@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 48592-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B48592.162184134931789 (code B ref 48592); Mon, 24 May 2021 07:30:02 +0000 Received: (at 48592) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 May 2021 07:29:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42255 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ll51R-0008Gd-Cc for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 24 May 2021 03:29:09 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:42274) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ll51O-0008G5-Uo for 48592@debbugs.gnu.org; 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=2E Please describe in the doc string of lm-maintainer what it does when = there's more than one=2E Thanks=2E From unknown Sat Jun 14 03:56:19 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#48592: [PATCH 0/2] Support plural forms of Author and Maintainer library headers Resent-From: Jonas Bernoulli Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 24 May 2021 08:59:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 48592 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Eli Zaretskii , Michael Albinus Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 48592@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 48592-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B48592.16218467408472 (code B ref 48592); Mon, 24 May 2021 08:59:01 +0000 Received: (at 48592) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 May 2021 08:59:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42392 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ll6QN-0002Ca-PU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; 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Mon, 24 May 2021 10:58:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mail.hostpark.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 56F7D165C3; Mon, 24 May 2021 10:58:54 +0200 (CEST) From: Jonas Bernoulli In-Reply-To: References: <20210522202519.32549-1-jonas@bernoul.li> <83fsyej6bc.fsf@gnu.org> <871r9xon5v.fsf@bernoul.li> <837djpkd8k.fsf@gnu.org> <87wnrpaery.fsf@gnus.org> <871r9xpt5w.fsf@gmx.de> <87v979mhv7.fsf@bernoul.li> <87tumtnvay.fsf@gmx.de> <87sg2dm9tp.fsf@bernoul.li> <87pmxgobne.fsf@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 24 May 2021 10:58:54 +0200 Message-ID: <87o8d0mrsh.fsf@bernoul.li> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> [Add lm-maintainers and make lm-maintainer obsolete.] > Fine by me as well, but: > . I see no reason to deprecate lm-maintainer: there's nothing wrong > with wanting to obtain the first name in the list; > > . Please describe in the doc string of lm-maintainer what it does when > there's more than one. The reason why I want to deprecate lm-maintainer is that this informs users of that function that some packages may have more than one maintainer and that it is now possible and (I dare say) encouraged to acknowledge them all. Sure adding a note to lm-maintainer technically accomplishes the same, but once one has started using lm-maintainer, then one doesn't periodically go back to see whether a new notes have been added to its doc-string. But something like this would do the trick of guiding the attention towards the extended functionality and its updated documentation: In package-build--desc-from-library: lib/package-build/package-build.el:516:26: Warning: =E2=80=98lm-maintaine= r=E2=80=99 is an obsolete function (as of 28.1); use =E2=80=98lm-maintainers=E2=80=99 = instead. Yes, there is nothing wrong with ignoring all but the first maintainer (except of course, not properly attributing the contributions of the others as they choose to present it), but it seems to me that having to: - (lm-maintainer) + (car (lm-maintainers)) is perfectly acceptable in cases where only "the" maintainer can be mentioned because there is not enough room to display the names of all maintainers. (So it is still a good idea to list the primus inter pares maintainer first.) Cheers, Jonas From unknown Sat Jun 14 03:56:19 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#48592: [PATCH 0/2] Support plural forms of Author and Maintainer library headers Resent-From: Christopher Dimech Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 24 May 2021 09:23:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 48592 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Jonas Bernoulli Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 48592@debbugs.gnu.org, Michael Albinus , Lars Ingebrigtsen Received: via spool by 48592-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B48592.162184813810898 (code B ref 48592); Mon, 24 May 2021 09:23:01 +0000 Received: (at 48592) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 May 2021 09:22:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42408 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ll6mw-0002pi-FH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 24 May 2021 05:22:18 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.20]:37365) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ll6ms-0002pT-4c for 48592@debbugs.gnu.org; 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> > > > =2E Please describe in the doc string of lm-maintainer what it does wh= en > > there's more than one=2E >=20 > The reason why I want to deprecate lm-maintainer is that this informs > users of that function that some packages may have more than one > maintainer and that it is now possible and (I dare say) encouraged to > acknowledge them all=2E One can extract that information from the code if history files are mainta= ined=2E In addition, you will find instances where contributors are unknown or the= ir contribution cannot be verified=2E If it is about two or three names, it = is not much of a problem=2E One can safely assume that lm-maintainer is one or m= ore=2E =20 > Sure adding a note to lm-maintainer technically accomplishes the same, > but once one has started using lm-maintainer, then one doesn't > periodically go back to see whether a new notes have been added to its > doc-string=2E But something like this would do the trick of guiding the > attention towards the extended functionality and its updated > documentation: >=20 > In package-build--desc-from-library: > lib/package-build/package-build=2Eel:516:26: Warning: =E2=80=98lm-main= tainer=E2=80=99 is an > obsolete function (as of 28=2E1); use =E2=80=98lm-maintainers=E2= =80=99 instead=2E >=20 > Yes, there is nothing wrong with ignoring all but the first maintainer > (except of course, not properly attributing the contributions of the > others as they choose to present it), but it seems to me that having to: >=20 > - (lm-maintainer) > + (car (lm-maintainers)) >=20 > is perfectly acceptable in cases where only "the" maintainer can be > mentioned because there is not enough room to display the names of all > maintainers=2E (So it is still a good idea to list the primus inter par= es > maintainer first=2E) It is not beneficial to have long lists of contributor names in code=2E H= istorical details should be included in other files intended for that purpose=2E =20 > Cheers, > Jonas >=20 >=20 >=20 > From unknown Sat Jun 14 03:56:19 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#48592: [PATCH 0/2] Support plural forms of Author and Maintainer library headers Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 24 May 2021 09:46:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 48592 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Jonas Bernoulli , Michael Albinus Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 48592@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 48592-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B48592.162184951613105 (code B ref 48592); 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charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Autocrypt: addr=eliz@gnu.org; keydata= mQENBF+pf4UBCAC6vjkWLSAsQpe8YIGKLQzNOJx/IjGtCdFF8uzmO5jmME+SD8ROuJN+t5KXVw58 uzu75EFD0vHTY9e+udJ2gkpuy0NnzkFcbumdLLo2ERKCoSctZZRhzKXI5z5cHxCqW0B2ygHRrRLt oNlGID7bAgcgSViT1ptGqTXO7zGVu4Airok7dNzcPtHgns8GlR5YAFX0TvE6oGd0l2VPghNeVJKJ OjrbfhoDxl3ucFpqbqMH8z9HTLDOFpz8UaYYUdJMi3xX6vwTZxI2sM2RRVLUpZyllAkSMI4lln1O OgazM/62DJUs/rKIHKBnF6h3/qsJUjUYXaAHbrXY26mWllAd536lABEBAAG0I0VsaSBaYXJldHNr aWkgKGVsaXopIDxlbGl6QGdudS5vcmc+iQE4BBMBAgAiBQJfqX+FAhsDBgsJCAcDAgYVCAIJCgsE FgIDAQIeAQIXgAAKCRCRwSYvAeuNOYUQB/4/iIKKOG45ijNaRoTvmJJZMvj1S07WQxEm7c5SHEeE QbLOAxB9vESOV7sLueuN3oqEndtzyYt4x1WTSBmHFF7h5fcCMjBs41siOIp5Sj/xD0Bvaa0IKGCR SZ7PAo8Mq3wgajXpTpn9vxE2PmtzA8KdEE0K1+f9pVAfOpUIcCl44rIxLUW352XG0y7iz6c/O6LB 1deOKMiKFctKO7pBti1dJEm1ImewLH3H8uTbwspLOs3EB8xhsESxmTidnze68HX2jt+2EeMgCdki NU+LWbexQZPfIS7+ZmE06ll0v6+Jy7ZdTkCCRypKWTnW7pIFsq/p4kybV8O/kHSV6B4vvQBfuQEN BF+pf4UBCACvFrdx/m22lgObypSmSS4TNlNvQnMUorrMmp0U32hv5adt6CKXeMjk05F+GcIfVMrp xqMBn4sEUIXWhhogQJa9ZbWEP/HbS8XjMMbz0Q0Siaty9+DSspK/9u2GWKsz3uQzLCexIJtzmXvj AVmvoMCAU/F2t038ggygjYLRgyLRNLgbbartu2dMkvrfxRjheip60S4S3utOcwUf/qdoa1grNann CFluHr/ftXCeeuGB4H8iO0BXWNby6NZPizxJttx9gdcH8/OmDOJkXyRMTT/3sSem76CSOjfXcz7s aJlg680NQhG5TmuYERjJD4+U02K5RuqTsEnOuWeFy4p+/mslABEBAAGJAR8EGAECAAkFAl+pf4UC GwwACgkQkcEmLwHrjTno7Af/a1XoLHxAUkS43nmF8iazn3ZnuwWKWLEAsNrxk56yUxhUPRzNs0/f sABDQR1o0DyTqbScKOcOMSG2YMCctLiDd7FdfMWwkUsV9GUpPBiRtD60Ewmn9sbNJKrEoZ5L6sqO UEslJRVABu5taOzVIRfeUPPaMRjvCcr0d+epKjW81J9Aqj8SskuNkHwvHchTYFYVT22aemjjZ1MG OUm7QiybWQgYL6aSPV2gR+NQQ7pEhOBoEi6GLEiBkoYOIXvmxsqQLBrUPbsJq8lItYEaw4HGt8Ba PxtK2yZ9mSqC2xhWYr1j1YAIHffzubC0jxc5znXERsRANoJOwNUXmiddD7UM9A== From: Eli Zaretskii Message-ID: <914C6F2B-140D-4681-A60E-C844A1DEFF29@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) On May 24, 2021 11:58:54 AM GMT+03:00, Jonas Bernoulli = wrote: > Eli Zaretskii writes: >=20 > >> [Add lm-maintainers and make lm-maintainer obsolete=2E] >=20 > The reason why I want to deprecate lm-maintainer is that this informs > users of that function that some packages may have more than one > maintainer and that it is now possible and (I dare say) encouraged to > acknowledge them all=2E A NEWS entry will do this job nicely, IMO=2E > Sure adding a note to lm-maintainer technically accomplishes the same, > but once one has started using lm-maintainer, then one doesn't > periodically go back to see whether a new notes have been added to its > doc-string=2E But something like this would do the trick of guiding the > attention towards the extended functionality and its updated > documentation: >=20 > In package-build--desc-from-library: > lib/package-build/package-build=2Eel:516:26: Warning: =E2=80=98lm-mainta= iner=E2=80=99 is > an > obsolete function (as of 28=2E1); use =E2=80=98lm-maintainers=E2= =80=99 instead=2E >=20 > Yes, there is nothing wrong with ignoring all but the first maintainer > (except of course, not properly attributing the contributions of the > others as they choose to present it), but it seems to me that having > to: >=20 > - (lm-maintainer) > + (car (lm-maintainers)) >=20 > is perfectly acceptable in cases where only "the" maintainer can be > mentioned because there is not enough room to display the names of all > maintainers=2E (So it is still a good idea to list the primus inter > pares > maintainer first=2E) I think this warning will be a gratuitous annoyance in enough legitimate u= se cases to make the complaints serious=2E If it's okay to take the 'car' = of a list, then it should also be okay to call a function which does just t= hat=2E It's not like lm-maintainers returns an opaque object=2E Again, if the others are fine with the deprecation, I will yield=2E From unknown Sat Jun 14 03:56:19 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#48592: [PATCH 0/2] Support plural forms of Author and Maintainer library headers Resent-From: Michael Albinus Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 24 May 2021 12:12:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 48592 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 48592@debbugs.gnu.org, Lars Ingebrigtsen , Jonas Bernoulli Received: via spool by 48592-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B48592.16218582723565 (code B ref 48592); 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Mon, 24 May 2021 14:10:57 +0200 From: Michael Albinus References: <20210522202519.32549-1-jonas@bernoul.li> <83fsyej6bc.fsf@gnu.org> <871r9xon5v.fsf@bernoul.li> <837djpkd8k.fsf@gnu.org> <87wnrpaery.fsf@gnus.org> <871r9xpt5w.fsf@gmx.de> <87v979mhv7.fsf@bernoul.li> <87tumtnvay.fsf@gmx.de> <87sg2dm9tp.fsf@bernoul.li> <87pmxgobne.fsf@gmx.de> <87o8d0mrsh.fsf@bernoul.li> <914C6F2B-140D-4681-A60E-C844A1DEFF29@gnu.org> Date: Mon, 24 May 2021 14:10:55 +0200 In-Reply-To: <914C6F2B-140D-4681-A60E-C844A1DEFF29@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 24 May 2021 12:44:48 +0300") Message-ID: <87lf84nxgw.fsf@gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:PlHzwIMa5X3nwdverGy7SES/iHR4CqY4Cegk1x8g/n+GOVM4EtV 1QJsfocnKwZHGlSUFAkRlhP1WOZ/YwA+kqrX/0ly7yog5jgDJ4zL711k3YUf07C64lQnfeC VmP2//T+Sg1zI2UGMT1YKEOBM6bKxjzQWy7CorU3HRtgtqGi+lSSr7FgSyhAIPyliX4sQHe 6b+A2Tam0jRMue1zojSEA== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:WxS46K3+uqs=:XSIRdqSLZWC/6HbijUiNJn cCZRuHiYr+dnLOTDUMZu3QAo98ifk9hUrGExs2HrBIL3fVgir8U2+T8L3pYwqprdYiOER5LZv fJ00qbb9jPAEtBINKeKte6netrm6otgzju4amQXoBAh1RnEyM49kMp2WPYmcojmx7C0OsLLo0 Ij4XrT5dOu7j/lXfC4hhw7Ca6Pp8KdO2lp65t79zM2l5npLn17VUhH5Qe8ajI2geavNxXgDH3 z8SAgjAcI09cNtwvb7flKnW4DJpKRpTjt86y13pOp8arzXiQfye6/FbrGW4x+FZTpG4q/NW9R IFjQvTxayxwil0lfODlS0mCWBS8zJ58OyVLdehLug6vnMk3J5McHHyxu1qTKMLcJ/2RH8/U0B Glvb9V5Eua17+hv7nn7piwPHJxKFS+/rw7PcOnN0pUSB39iqIEIFCeAYmTR0TN5pBg2vj3uaj U/WHvJdsBSxWzWK7qxKmQ7hayNc6A8RaosceCWLtSxTIIwOh0kESOQyeAX9F1T4yJMLXzvLWf d0LM1ZCvzAY89u1pjXq2bf6gDedSR8ZAX56hoXTRpoFA/WohrNkVDX6iafMkwNbV8FZkIUQt9 T4KxX58PbMK5jmSYaeWSMSOrtFruEBxBqLR2eg1KHHi4bkOe1TJ1WvQjIYgKKjvnj8SDbMlt9 /zrbuBlkr7BXsHkxdAISZ1N1QsNoYRkWrtFQHjfzzhIr/fLOrz9XmHpaUtIdV7sCn1fTzZLMI TEftKLL1C8wYM1lhUF3aOwxAJW9WkgWEftJmslqlQqOdouhwWuO/8McFA+J6jJSRDpDt++SIQ KO7YWZWFXKpxgH6ATjK28E539iUmDPaACXTfAJ23X8w05DU5+oXGDRSqr3J8FmochzLlUnuE6 S46+Q7btzzqFtCcFuQ63WVbOnGhN6WRs4S16cOWJVzZ0vgfi8GdZlHfBXrCdBw8OKHFeTVEVw 9IOqdkNFgAwhqT5BEJsjnQMWn7EnoRUyeequ0atP5MvyyaxvH2rvEC3kdJduYmwToXDYzYNOY HQONwFYY6sx8JYzPI8HlHJNM9XAT2SA+fbiz7GJfGJTOj27AfFP/1ALiTeaSycfJSKINZCOZj r93WMzgn2HdUEvSMw5W7k+Ykdywn68uoPJbpHTqafGtLQocN9BNPv7LLg== X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> Sure adding a note to lm-maintainer technically accomplishes the same, >> but once one has started using lm-maintainer, then one doesn't >> periodically go back to see whether a new notes have been added to its >> doc-string. But something like this would do the trick of guiding the >> attention towards the extended functionality and its updated >> documentation: >>=20 >> In package-build--desc-from-library: >> lib/package-build/package-build.el:516:26: Warning: =E2=80=98lm-maintain= er=E2=80=99 is >> an >> obsolete function (as of 28.1); use =E2=80=98lm-maintainers=E2=80= =99 instead. >>=20 >> Yes, there is nothing wrong with ignoring all but the first maintainer >> (except of course, not properly attributing the contributions of the >> others as they choose to present it), but it seems to me that having >> to: >>=20 >> - (lm-maintainer) >> + (car (lm-maintainers)) >>=20 >> is perfectly acceptable in cases where only "the" maintainer can be >> mentioned because there is not enough room to display the names of all >> maintainers. (So it is still a good idea to list the primus inter >> pares >> maintainer first.) > > > I think this warning will be a gratuitous annoyance in enough > legitimate use cases to make the complaints serious. If it's okay to > take the 'car' of a list, then it should also be okay to call a > function which does just that. It's not like lm-maintainers returns > an opaque object. > > Again, if the others are fine with the deprecation, I will yield. Still fine by me, with this obsoletion warning. FWIW. Best regards, Michael. From unknown Sat Jun 14 03:56:19 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#48592: [PATCH 0/2] Support plural forms of Author and Maintainer library headers Resent-From: Michael Albinus Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 24 May 2021 12:17:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 48592 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Christopher Dimech Cc: 48592@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , Jonas Bernoulli , Lars Ingebrigtsen Received: via spool by 48592-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B48592.16218586084203 (code B ref 48592); Mon, 24 May 2021 12:17:01 +0000 Received: (at 48592) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 May 2021 12:16:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42528 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ll9Vn-00015j-PP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 24 May 2021 08:16:48 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.20]:55339) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ll9Vl-00015L-Gf for 48592@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 24 May 2021 08:16:46 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1621858599; bh=Z2dcztW1vCP96ovHk2JPliyyHeFvwctV3+BYjEuG0cM=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=AKqxlCVylke+0heVM0O1xTLN/FtyOr+GoWcaJdfhkIC5asfeCXwwTEULLrqbsQ+RF 8O0s1lhigQluujbaIVvZt1bSlyj4vyt/yBsDLb4dwYDUyrCVpHcft78VbfLsXDPT4r k1Ulonf68bOa4N3YmFMsfNIZj2zCaHpGlfSmPFdM= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from gandalf.gmx.de ([213.220.149.163]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx104 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MkHQX-1l0ZHL3YTp-00kgbL; Mon, 24 May 2021 14:16:38 +0200 From: Michael Albinus References: <20210522202519.32549-1-jonas@bernoul.li> <83fsyej6bc.fsf@gnu.org> <871r9xon5v.fsf@bernoul.li> <837djpkd8k.fsf@gnu.org> <87wnrpaery.fsf@gnus.org> <871r9xpt5w.fsf@gmx.de> <87v979mhv7.fsf@bernoul.li> <87tumtnvay.fsf@gmx.de> <87sg2dm9tp.fsf@bernoul.li> <87pmxgobne.fsf@gmx.de> <87o8d0mrsh.fsf@bernoul.li> Date: Mon, 24 May 2021 14:16:37 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Christopher Dimech's message of "Mon, 24 May 2021 11:22:07 +0200") Message-ID: <87h7isnx7e.fsf@gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:LY7qOi30iOts4PUe6eE7VSRb21XWapk20aS88LOVSfDV4PgN0G/ Z9H+6iB1Futo38KlOEAzkBI8bZ5q8m/qC8pTpFI+Rl+rEcm80gF6h0iICo3YuabVxU26/Uu ml4UW9i1jwfP8sNQct3e+H9/eJitSczOQvWyVEZXFcT3xPjYoA97IPbcfChgdR4xFZVjjaI pRNXi7CALJ4IHeSVEkw/A== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:bKGOVgwSNV8=:2MbtgF70wQtliZre0pwZFM rfjGXJPgAB+NDUAhd7XmgEBkcquOAHiLlTzZwTy8IAd3ohebI7kefvbr5dBxGqvPOe7UNq+MY btRZ8/vLC9qWvu0iNgT7xma6ob1YIPSGK/ON3sUX5qJTScIE4S8zi95iC8IV6fbCAlsdwpNFA YOAvY+S7L83wd9SQznHTmYCdqn7riMzPyb4yEmx2zMF6IK/As9bZv1vn7p695dYhE+a2dp225 f8O9dJTX7jpuXSqoGe0UrwHT2ZKzCdzLVp/OJ0J2Dgo6jC3plyvQlAqLA0qSPiyFKvufcroPk 9cQcpXnV09Ob3NlDz+EhgmeqHn189EPj3K4cVABnbwko0ZRywUego9FefmdWIHfuIcN74mPoZ pTATvWTtVkY10E3CO6oK5GYAihj+QE0OZArQbzGxnaEhoeUrMykpIEMYIeT0wO+/SolufvvGm RnkO66OjmyyXfCgEcug4MlThHiYBpy6LlQLBI3DzePFNI6TK++Ki4pA/ToLscFXTsUZqj9pN5 kg80sZfwDbePGKMgqcDfXiAyWoLrd+Cr/m2Ltq5iEc0zMQVfZkP88/9H6S1aVxJyOwQt8oFCr J6P3Iuhn2HmWcEOyAjPkyOyTnjeNCaxUs6XQ+ESyN/YILMEF7eqsBUpQJfaJhNL+iLLqOOmNV FbBVzSNzZyid4f5rv8Qc7OG0Qnd5FWlYJMNu23/YDtvBk3OotjjVDAkH74bp2T6620Xnq16XO WDFm+a14My7q+/5WGTiTsfuDkyGm6GuuIZ/SMggGEu73AU1llIH0Uwyy2gNTLj1rjFz/ei3JO ti3feA/NetDYR8OboryA9Se8EmPIEsBIzAcdhi7qAma7jvIqg8Es2Wm6uIWN1klSlX0uaB12f etRQa2u27PlRATFZQ84H66PPAqfYE1aXiSoWTcEn+Wo1hAJrEQfjx+Sqb3ck67QE0tvUnGktY xOltxPohIWMKxy8jwaV0CDqBYlVAPE/hucyNwuCJVELtmZUE/nA9+LnZqU8cNCCJpG0GNArCj sDkEHVuA0hFkmLLbCCpxJGmyeWINDgolaRRdF327yZ4zxyrgCKNvmZbfTLJgW1YMEFkHre+F6 mIFjCrjHN2z8ZphHcfXVTPByIXRssXSZ58rgW8QpSynR4NLjO0Ws/V5Uw== X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Christopher Dimech writes: Hi Christopher, >> The reason why I want to deprecate lm-maintainer is that this informs >> users of that function that some packages may have more than one >> maintainer and that it is now possible and (I dare say) encouraged to >> acknowledge them all. > > One can extract that information from the code if history files are maintained. We must not confound maintainers and contributors. While it's possible to find the contributors of a package from (vc) history, I don't see how to determine the maintainers this way. Best regards, Michael. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii writes: > I think this warning will be a gratuitous annoyance in enough > legitimate use cases to make the complaints serious. If it's okay to > take the 'car' of a list, then it should also be okay to call a [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: > I think this warning will be a gratuitous annoyance in enough > legitimate use cases to make the complaints serious. If it's okay to > take the 'car' of a list, then it should also be okay to call a > function which does just that. It's not like lm-maintainers returns > an opaque object. > > Again, if the others are fine with the deprecation, I will yield. I don't see any extremely compelling reason to deprecate it, either, but `lm-maintainers' (paired with `lm-authors') makes sense, so perhaps it's a better long-term solution to deprecate `lm-maintainer' (to emphasise that both of these headers can contain lists of people). -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From unknown Sat Jun 14 03:56:19 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#48592: [PATCH 0/2] Support plural forms of Author and Maintainer library headers Resent-From: Jonas Bernoulli Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2021 18:00:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 48592 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Lars Ingebrigtsen , Eli Zaretskii Cc: 48592@debbugs.gnu.org, Michael Albinus Received: via spool by 48592-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B48592.16250759923038 (code B ref 48592); Wed, 30 Jun 2021 18:00:02 +0000 Received: (at 48592) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Jun 2021 17:59:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58711 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lyeV5-0000mv-Ns for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 Jun 2021 13:59:51 -0400 Received: from mail.hostpark.net ([212.243.197.30]:50746) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lyeV4-0000mn-2Z for 48592@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 Jun 2021 13:59:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.hostpark.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F2DE164A0; Wed, 30 Jun 2021 19:59:48 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=bernoul.li; h= content-type:content-type:mime-version:message-id:date:date :references:in-reply-to:subject:subject:from:from:received :received; s=sel2011a; t=1625075986; bh=RlA+qkX+Gu5LvgZ7V6pEXekm /6+TgKGxmitqzbyfFpw=; b=tdSkcO0K5gDle7gA7BrLiAp06W2r5Urt34FEmDW9 VoBnVxhKZUFosUqClG12JJR1eoaMw0ONtjTPn1Ck0p535ZdglXUzWyHgVAYwxS29 Uv+L2pfPD+tdIh1opGwopyrfFK0TmSzs79RIUFCl1ZAFSp2i944qv239+CU2mGSg ivM= X-Virus-Scanned: by Hostpark/NetZone Mailprotection at hostpark.net Received: from mail.hostpark.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail1.hostpark.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10224) with ESMTP id owxrib4g_nDp; Wed, 30 Jun 2021 19:59:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mail.hostpark.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4F8DD164A9; Wed, 30 Jun 2021 19:59:46 +0200 (CEST) From: Jonas Bernoulli In-Reply-To: <87r1hw9r52.fsf@gnus.org> References: <20210522202519.32549-1-jonas@bernoul.li> <83fsyej6bc.fsf@gnu.org> <871r9xon5v.fsf@bernoul.li> <837djpkd8k.fsf@gnu.org> <87wnrpaery.fsf@gnus.org> <871r9xpt5w.fsf@gmx.de> <87v979mhv7.fsf@bernoul.li> <87tumtnvay.fsf@gmx.de> <87sg2dm9tp.fsf@bernoul.li> <87pmxgobne.fsf@gmx.de> <87o8d0mrsh.fsf@bernoul.li> <914C6F2B-140D-4681-A60E-C844A1DEFF29@gnu.org> <87r1hw9r52.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2021 19:59:46 +0200 Message-ID: <87pmw3b5d9.fsf@bernoul.li> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Eli Zaretskii writes: > >> I think this warning will be a gratuitous annoyance in enough >> legitimate use cases to make the complaints serious. If it's okay to >> take the 'car' of a list, then it should also be okay to call a >> function which does just that. It's not like lm-maintainers returns >> an opaque object. >> >> Again, if the others are fine with the deprecation, I will yield. > > I don't see any extremely compelling reason to deprecate it, either, but > `lm-maintainers' (paired with `lm-authors') makes sense, so perhaps it's > a better long-term solution to deprecate `lm-maintainer' (to emphasise > that both of these headers can contain lists of people). I've just pushed this. (New function, deprecate old function, do NOT support use of plurals as header names.) This can be closed now. Cheers, Jonas From unknown Sat Jun 14 03:56:19 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#48592: [PATCH 0/2] Support plural forms of Author and Maintainer library headers Resent-From: Michael Albinus Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2021 19:26:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 48592 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Jonas Bernoulli Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 48592@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 48592-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B48592.162508110810916 (code B ref 48592); Wed, 30 Jun 2021 19:26:02 +0000 Received: (at 48592) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Jun 2021 19:25:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58749 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lyfpc-0002q0-Hc for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 Jun 2021 15:25:08 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.18]:37773) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lyfpa-0002pQ-74 for 48592@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 Jun 2021 15:25:07 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1625081099; bh=hKjRMUd3/sh3v0nt5OIrE3kHIEo9xOPJ2CtUlTG/o4o=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=ChxESaa1oqyg0UBce/2riffzuWURwJ0hzJDQdcOQZvol84RmN1IB34BVWZeHb2PVn YmIm40mXoz9I298HabcfHfMDZ5yLmhE7hIc5xQ8i4YE9ycXGHmRalJOvze0d4elh6K Kpa6GbeFkZWHSt11R9zov9BvIVIDWBuK30bLNFDE= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from gandalf.gmx.de ([213.220.147.177]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx005 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MtwZ4-1l4NNf1aoe-00uJy5; Wed, 30 Jun 2021 21:24:59 +0200 From: Michael Albinus References: <20210522202519.32549-1-jonas@bernoul.li> <83fsyej6bc.fsf@gnu.org> <871r9xon5v.fsf@bernoul.li> <837djpkd8k.fsf@gnu.org> <87wnrpaery.fsf@gnus.org> <871r9xpt5w.fsf@gmx.de> <87v979mhv7.fsf@bernoul.li> <87tumtnvay.fsf@gmx.de> <87sg2dm9tp.fsf@bernoul.li> <87pmxgobne.fsf@gmx.de> <87o8d0mrsh.fsf@bernoul.li> <914C6F2B-140D-4681-A60E-C844A1DEFF29@gnu.org> <87r1hw9r52.fsf@gnus.org> <87pmw3b5d9.fsf@bernoul.li> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2021 21:24:58 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87pmw3b5d9.fsf@bernoul.li> (Jonas Bernoulli's message of "Wed, 30 Jun 2021 19:59:46 +0200") Message-ID: <87pmw3xiid.fsf@gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:Uitnbr+diD6hVTBS1J/RhYCPMl6eoudR20Yoe22I+4BAhZATSJ6 0UA1NG9j6b+T7l2jWUf6xrUeDgyiVc8+/yTu3VCg9bO50R730f+BK4+cCjTXos3S0xRZKVm xerhWAJlsBpmoQSH2r4x3YmqVh20DQ806KepI+sQSWVbe9KZsPZU09U+VRwyHlWGH5hASNo qPprQOOyY2d842DMSYArw== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:2A7I53YlEOQ=:nHGu5GIwcqztDCNHwfimqs 335yCod5i0tk3SbQnPR5fckxB0NOBctnXhb3hZPCuANh6TFAkWpjTzeVO6uGdeGY/2WgAxzle Gx+KLlAnZEgTApWIvmTaMK5k0igTIDt1OtNSFX5tzt1Ya8vKJY+A1/YFQgZWaDKu4DZd/zFJ4 SgS0eDxjHouwqBL3m5fPUrQCFRIw/cahjkwwLCoq+FyvOkb+U2FCy7O9SC5Vr6eOLPFee1APY fbT/HPRXoLonYequnXYaZuIXRuotDnerktb0leNjTiBIGNO/YaquX6rrU0LGAHr/X8HTahsj3 mFZXryRakzWRSz+AMx4ZropZsQdwuUaCMTFFOH/j09oa6khHrRdiT96AV9T38DrziAQQTAUTS mGJptDs8FnxxPc+mlYfDVRPe2TLs/hcoTSPI9uMIEbDw03OrwDkh5CLw0Jr1PuU81ZfKLfU/E iLWPe03SYZzyhSpK/ixJ6tGf8J3+0CjGd1NyhJ2KR2pUfuJWVJXhLjCSK2eT6QPTOGiqbIzt1 4JflzrMKXCLmANN/u3D7UN1KQzTG/9XUkSDuXaWFLziJott9wB1c5ief96RtfYpwXL/X6CV7N Y7wI0I6HHgASxzqPMDBk2vj16Up3U9gCa3Kr5fcell0Mv3t3gMPGxu0UGeyiPgjNwdeGqZCHY eent0CBwIO2wRKaMT6DbCaoYCJ9gamJW+eXSRNKClVt0BNsefRGPUVxJCNlZeaFtrg30HozaF ovx8WUemwFT6Eg7wbh3+d9KlL6f7mSYEzB4oxQEkxKX0JeU3qlp+5lY2Vwb2WKbOweRnz6aPF W1BgMnG94reooAuko8m3PqYeLbhBHOODNBS03Ck6R4nstC7F7jPmG4EiqaO4i0bSGkY5bCqJO bz2pQoCEH/BN0767J3WjSWQCteOxdDCfGYykvOBVZkQuQQuS/BGuFJr7OqoLdUzpgxt+5fXfS DiWmyjv7sH6pul/XUSMBlCcOsrTZGnM91LL+W2jfJ42gXrUfhgAR3W8HqqsQd+1tdzoV+jWhC WSEPMvkCO7LLaOtuI2Lj2KlwHjuPIwPup7Ns63Z5GK/AQ+LnQUtPLVlwuYSqj78fbQ1EW/Xxt q40q6xcAa3wlale+2jeStt6CS6JNZCPdKR+GKt04vQb7ds6N5KCjy8i/A== X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Jonas Bernoulli writes: Hi Jonas, >> I don't see any extremely compelling reason to deprecate it, either, but >> `lm-maintainers' (paired with `lm-authors') makes sense, so perhaps it's >> a better long-term solution to deprecate `lm-maintainer' (to emphasise >> that both of these headers can contain lists of people). > > I've just pushed this. (New function, deprecate old function, do NOT > support use of plurals as header names.) Perhaps it's worth to be mentioned in etc/NEWS? > Cheers, > Jonas Best regards, Michael. From unknown Sat Jun 14 03:56:19 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#48592: [PATCH 0/2] Support plural forms of Author and Maintainer library headers Resent-From: Jonas Bernoulli Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2021 19:42:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 48592 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Michael Albinus Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 48592@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 48592-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B48592.162508207712452 (code B ref 48592); Wed, 30 Jun 2021 19:42:02 +0000 Received: (at 48592) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Jun 2021 19:41:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58782 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lyg5F-0003Em-I6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 Jun 2021 15:41:17 -0400 Received: from mail.hostpark.net ([212.243.197.30]:37736) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lyg5D-0003Ed-BB for 48592@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 Jun 2021 15:41:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.hostpark.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id F123A165F2; Wed, 30 Jun 2021 21:41:13 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=bernoul.li; h= content-type:content-type:mime-version:message-id:date:date :references:in-reply-to:subject:subject:from:from:received :received; s=sel2011a; t=1625082071; bh=CUr5zhqo1m0GpbKdCCzKL8IZ ATPsUXeEAnWIGCoE+YI=; b=26XfF65v3VznaTvTmWIenGRwwrILWJ+iv7CqIhP+ dXLEl6pfcZ10TPln85Q8R3pPNOflksxNvXPuXtuEatagRynhjbZabHw47PEdtRgh BzYyX7b3rHAOLD4dLfaD/qwKfxMLC6ps6ynbp6mS5JC8XW2jhLd0pjLf4umod2tD RzE= X-Virus-Scanned: by Hostpark/NetZone Mailprotection at hostpark.net Received: from mail.hostpark.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail0.hostpark.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10224) with ESMTP id NJjdGYTAtRpm; Wed, 30 Jun 2021 21:41:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mail.hostpark.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BD0F616616; Wed, 30 Jun 2021 21:41:11 +0200 (CEST) From: Jonas Bernoulli In-Reply-To: <87pmw3xiid.fsf@gmx.de> References: <20210522202519.32549-1-jonas@bernoul.li> <83fsyej6bc.fsf@gnu.org> <871r9xon5v.fsf@bernoul.li> <837djpkd8k.fsf@gnu.org> <87wnrpaery.fsf@gnus.org> <871r9xpt5w.fsf@gmx.de> <87v979mhv7.fsf@bernoul.li> <87tumtnvay.fsf@gmx.de> <87sg2dm9tp.fsf@bernoul.li> <87pmxgobne.fsf@gmx.de> <87o8d0mrsh.fsf@bernoul.li> <914C6F2B-140D-4681-A60E-C844A1DEFF29@gnu.org> <87r1hw9r52.fsf@gnus.org> <87pmw3b5d9.fsf@bernoul.li> <87pmw3xiid.fsf@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2021 21:41:11 +0200 Message-ID: <87mtr7b0o8.fsf@bernoul.li> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Michael Albinus writes: > Perhaps it's worth to be mentioned in etc/NEWS? I've just done that. From unknown Sat Jun 14 03:56:19 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#48592: [PATCH 0/2] Support plural forms of Author and Maintainer library headers Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2021 11:41:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 48592 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Jonas Bernoulli Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 48592@debbugs.gnu.org, Michael Albinus Received: via spool by 48592-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B48592.16251396301992 (code B ref 48592); Thu, 01 Jul 2021 11:41:02 +0000 Received: (at 48592) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Jul 2021 11:40:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59696 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lyv3V-0000W4-Nc for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 01 Jul 2021 07:40:29 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:39418) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lyv3S-0000Vg-Uu for 48592@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 01 Jul 2021 07:40:27 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=6b/1EmgoZOkDCZFvYeFbi9bDgMEGy2ZmDNyLNQZMTvM=; b=RnHyxsxotBpR5+z4ci2zOTmku2 wURKEesfVaAPQF35+GlsIT9xqYxNh4Ec4Uj/0MiZE/cG4CMWgqANnBPQp6xSirNSGQtHHwXPZ2dz9 zJ3hnBIiIj/5Bas/l+rVR7I0BwgG1NHj7zxkwA75tGgaGa+Mt77LHMSVZgAKWx1Oo+ak=; Received: from cm-84.212.220.105.getinternet.no ([84.212.220.105] helo=elva) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lyv3K-0004DT-Dt; Thu, 01 Jul 2021 13:40:21 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <20210522202519.32549-1-jonas@bernoul.li> <83fsyej6bc.fsf@gnu.org> <871r9xon5v.fsf@bernoul.li> <837djpkd8k.fsf@gnu.org> <87wnrpaery.fsf@gnus.org> <871r9xpt5w.fsf@gmx.de> <87v979mhv7.fsf@bernoul.li> <87tumtnvay.fsf@gmx.de> <87sg2dm9tp.fsf@bernoul.li> <87pmxgobne.fsf@gmx.de> <87o8d0mrsh.fsf@bernoul.li> <914C6F2B-140D-4681-A60E-C844A1DEFF29@gnu.org> <87r1hw9r52.fsf@gnus.org> <87pmw3b5d9.fsf@bernoul.li> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAElBMVEUgCA9THyGdZ1Zq S0jTvbf///8dkPdbAAAAAWJLR0QF+G/pxwAAAAd0SU1FB+UHAQsMIBtPG8EAAAG2SURBVDjLdZRr FuMgCIXhZAMSN1AxC/DRDYx1/2sawGhq54w/mlO+IHC9BuBrnc4BOCDQ5/c6ggUEUN0J2S8qWTE/ w0C1pLziWGRv+4ucgcY7RORZAFYtgefnTkbytfQrCldAhcMA5C/m3jtncijFSsgwuitX19U4G+AX gFUj7mO1bDU4zUavG3SuWv79L/ggJektOvR5z3DS11EJ8MANtExLlB1EP2WRJz6g8wS1ahpvAJfM WL5ABhTRKBs5x1589aZAkshqAF7WUYlX88nEtgxJPSUuUnbWDAGi99321SOdfLV2io4royZ4S1kX ubdC4NMRLANLENAKNykuolA4E6ks5BVIzDrjUGrOuhXqSa7ZQ3aivFaRc+npAUmPHW0OLM0t8IHh BxuwRFjgpVONFBEkPCANCW1qQJFnljCbLHPCfwA8oNUfMGsoSFsGTzPADo55gBmO/ZIR1QnSXoS8 uTqMAb+KkJ1ufIkP0+HrfWtF+bfuFEWSI3HJZiu14mzKFEw6yugBHw1Xn+MxHffnF3i+L9sPQLmo g9in5PGuxNd53IOoe0is1h8wXjanlucavGwDp+AvqG13L9fgKPcAAAAldEVYdGRhdGU6Y3JlYXRl ADIwMjEtMDctMDFUMTE6MTI6MzIrMDA6MDBjEDksAAAAJXRFWHRkYXRlOm1vZGlmeQAyMDIxLTA3 LTAxVDExOjEyOjMyKzAwOjAwEk2BkAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Now-Playing: Jane Siberry's _When I Was A Boy_: "The Gospel According To Darkness" Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2021 13:40:17 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87pmw3b5d9.fsf@bernoul.li> (Jonas Bernoulli's message of "Wed, 30 Jun 2021 19:59:46 +0200") Message-ID: <87pmw21cv2.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Jonas Bernoulli writes: > I've just pushed this. (New function, deprecate old function, do NOT > support use of plurals as header names.) > > This can be closed now. Thanks; closing. Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Jonas Bernoulli writes: > I've just pushed this. (New function, deprecate old function, do NOT > support use of plurals as header names.) > > This can be closed now. 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