From unknown Sun Aug 10 09:46:05 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#48580 <48580@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#48580 <48580@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: Outline Mode using Phylogenetic Tree Nomenclature Reply-To: bug#48580 <48580@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2025 16:46:05 +0000 retitle 48580 Outline Mode using Phylogenetic Tree Nomenclature reassign 48580 emacs submitter 48580 pietru@caramail.com severity 48580 wishlist thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat May 22 03:56:24 2021 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 May 2021 07:56:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38262 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lkMUi-0004u4-3m for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 22 May 2021 03:56:24 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:57948) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lkMUg-0004tx-Uq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 22 May 2021 03:56:23 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:34340) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lkMUf-00023b-OJ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 22 May 2021 03:56:21 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.22]:51347) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lkMUc-000520-8J for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 22 May 2021 03:56:21 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1621670175; bh=mwxXIIYqT1U+ceaJLh1cO/FRHZP+jJYg0rbTY20rJhg=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Subject:Date; b=R2OvK6YMg0mEKZDnoYc8s8Rc5K8d9PA+7AypEFQ90a8iPLCC3j3jDMYOR7yCWZu1W znPgJ5B4yG2yn0PhnuvkZvkt5tm2rnb/BCaXcJoiJF5s6WTYjJUBrrQnKvLhj5Dtuw tyATi9rEJhcBOpP8JHsM+6njaPO/bTnTGdiissW0= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [213.165.168.94] ([213.165.168.94]) by web-mail.gmx.net (3c-app-mailcom-bs04.server.lan [172.19.170.170]) (via HTTP); Sat, 22 May 2021 09:56:15 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: pietru@caramail.com To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: Outline Mode using Phylogenetic Tree Nomenclature Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Sat, 22 May 2021 09:56:15 +0200 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:Ib/Jxx3Hq/1A8808d5CgWwWaYP9BdCmsB+z9IuZ4vZ906+lO6JBIKJZUNCXxK0U764LI+ lLyUAIMaXj8lOPmk4z89BtUc0Wsa2K9ZCB7holSFhKoxwtqoRro1dekopUfvOBY6bJL5PnAwtGAr 02yI+d8Q6AwtZv3SsPayIMmNzsC9z0oLrNM5j/0BRK42gNtZFqD0vEBOEh+uuB8v96reyqi7WvJD 8GAyGPaXxFwjjGnrKEyaTbBclI8sdcu6DidEzEpAZB5wnVhVgLsRqmBM0Ji+CsmflXyu/OKEUgZy Jo= X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:TyhjiXZ7BpQ=:ihaWzpDse1KIpk14PZn+kT QnTGSwkq5yTqqsCl/AiZtuVjjrMFInW2FyGvHAvmzGb8FPCnEokKLqftq2f9WB1J6BSWV/pFg D61Tg9eQA2MFW3mEdTR6HIH/nTZxRfjUk3dxj2hnH7JpE5pbYoH+rKfOeXGqBHmdc6E8GYUnC 6oYNkdHjMpHPoNuaSSDpn0TBeSJuyovbYz8dliVb9Uj76RDX3Cby6dYzqFnM9VsH13K2RwhNF f0BXolVlqU5S1fI4WE+yGmlfkQmQVOek4rg7Nk/nnoDjAw8ZuV9hhaJ2pS9CvO38tYMyURhEA A0ViroD4JxVN8RjMBVPeiX+pXt+20jCYYpE2Y792gMiRhHn/+rJG4qFkWapT+kpMYx46pceTs OYz6/bgIF+4c4ODcuSlr6916U+1Jf/YxG993NOalW0Xvyzp6oJI05+ty6ok+xLsqQdvdj+1Cz 33+LX5tnNubEL64f3/NUBdtuYUWhAaAor+kdnHs6bob/r2DGJQKwflCVH4AoSRr+cwRi2/Fc+ PLmvFNyr+K8EcdiF2DhRtD/jjiY/J0OANcrFSWuylCuy1+AFaTkZ8u/BsEzv6cMFODE4WT7Qy GfzHC7+TbEIrr8lWo+n55r4JFy5EC3z8Hac5nirTg3G+PtjnwngRp+NHKC2N/8A9wOyLLZm3B Z1AioY0dz/PQ5/VAPELKxgaooSk3n5glluZSqHNsk7RmN/QlSaMK/ob3bf2o3r2Otuo2YhfVR b3qVAcmnUklOM4AcHc45GxwIpMNbG29nGmyYOnK2UUmDXRL9z8nIa0Pjlnb09G8lQFSeDbo0T IjlH+2RUgWJaEwKHwsFEjUh8XAB7f276Mzew1MfMzJXrBk0JlAkQinXS+2n5h4A3fXRtjNzt7 dC+qyEf4HVFu5S0aEO0AEOKpsLGk2uxTEieHxRLRS/HzrrPc64/jakKk8VespM Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.227.17.22; envelope-from=pietru@caramail.com; helo=mout.gmx.net X-Spam_score_int: -25 X-Spam_score: -2.6 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) Currently Outline Mode is confusing because (1) commands begin with descri= bing a tree, then shifts to describe human beings (body, children); and (2) nomenclatur= e such as branches and leaves challenge the formal nomenclature of evolutionary trees. There are also problems with the use of leaves and branches. Formally, "l= eaves" are end-nodes with no children; whereas "branches" are the lines connecting th= e nodes, their lengths commonly interpreted as time estimates. Thusly, "branches" effect= ively describe the "body", not nodes themselves. I advise and lay out a system based on a formal Phylogenetic Tree that imp= lement Show-Hide Options. Show All (currently: Show All [unchanged]) Show Offsprings (currently: Show Children) Show Descendants (currently: Show Branches) Show Sub-Tree (currently: Show Subtree [unchanged]) Show Common Level (currently: Hide Sublevels) Hide Sub-Branches (currently: Hide Leaves - meaning Hide Body after headin= g) Hide Branches (currently: Hide Body, leaves all headings visible) Hide Current Branch (currently: Hide Entry - hide body of this heading) Hide Sub-Tree (currently: Hide Subtree [unchanged]) Hide Other (currently: Hide Other [unchanged]) Regards Peter From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat May 22 04:10:25 2021 Received: (at 48580) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 May 2021 08:10:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38286 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lkMiG-0005FZ-OK for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 22 May 2021 04:10:24 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:42744) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lkMiE-0005FM-2Z for 48580@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 22 May 2021 04:10:23 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:54530) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lkMi8-0001Ji-BX; Sat, 22 May 2021 04:10:16 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:2522 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lkMi7-0002jw-Sb; Sat, 22 May 2021 04:10:16 -0400 Date: Sat, 22 May 2021 11:10:13 +0300 Message-Id: <83fsyfkx3u.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: pietru@caramail.com In-Reply-To: (pietru@caramail.com) Subject: Re: bug#48580: Outline Mode using Phylogenetic Tree Nomenclature References: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 48580 Cc: 48580@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: pietru@caramail.com > Date: Sat, 22 May 2021 09:56:15 +0200 > Sensitivity: Normal > > I advise and lay out a system based on a formal Phylogenetic Tree that implement > Show-Hide Options. > > Show All (currently: Show All [unchanged]) > Show Offsprings (currently: Show Children) > Show Descendants (currently: Show Branches) > Show Sub-Tree (currently: Show Subtree [unchanged]) > Show Common Level (currently: Hide Sublevels) > > Hide Sub-Branches (currently: Hide Leaves - meaning Hide Body after heading) > Hide Branches (currently: Hide Body, leaves all headings visible) > Hide Current Branch (currently: Hide Entry - hide body of this heading) > Hide Sub-Tree (currently: Hide Subtree [unchanged]) > Hide Other (currently: Hide Other [unchanged]) FWIW, if I were presented with the menu labels as you suggest, I'd be mightily confused by the unfamiliar terminology. "Branches", "Levels", "Children", and "Tree" are familiar terms when dealing with tree structures, whereas "Offsprings", "Descendants" and "Sub-branches" aren't. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat May 22 04:41:12 2021 Received: (at 48580) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 May 2021 08:41:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38301 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lkNC4-0005xp-JK for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 22 May 2021 04:41:12 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.21]:33241) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lkNC2-0005xa-0w for 48580@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 22 May 2021 04:41:11 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1621672863; bh=YbfizWUkL/L7AZ0k2PavJhtcC2Fa8bQ1j2eparRdYtQ=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:References; b=T9PnLJrxgxzXs7faJ+9Nv+3L/uOF/1PZwHanpf0xVnx+UDhtnQpWcCsEUpM8OLmmR nYomEx3xQSUaGHnf6nyJVY7OGEL0VBiRGhFu8qE1gKS9KK1927t10ap6OvFK4/TQNH yLtAziIzuDuTlkUIdPdNlrq2N9wtkRQzIJiYbFVI= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [213.165.168.94] ([213.165.168.94]) by web-mail.gmx.net (3c-app-mailcom-bs14.server.lan [172.19.170.182]) (via HTTP); Sat, 22 May 2021 10:41:03 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: pietru@caramail.com To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: bug#48580: Outline Mode using Phylogenetic Tree Nomenclature Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Sat, 22 May 2021 10:41:03 +0200 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal In-Reply-To: <83fsyfkx3u.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83fsyfkx3u.fsf@gnu.org> X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:wt18aQd5tBUDW9t47DoY0HK2sqaRAg+uI0HfUrYQw8r1IIWvI2+4i13zmbwxwJLdaIEh7 KedASVvvLXA1nM2ixBXNSY8zQlM6HLaHdxpYw2tUU5fSmoeAYHHWWiAsR+fJ1qIup8J9DT2qeBKb 2LIo6U9U58ZMRmBe+JHSoNKDbmSS8lDUTgfxf0BPz3L/uNRQFE0Qh2+uJ2YOCOeOe7eHI9/1mod1 LpmCwQW2movBT/f7BgR/XTFd/0Q2C0fVM1JMMdYsX3IHfKpHAg01d2036NAkOtu7OYt+Uw8ER/x4 c0= X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:LEWiZpx9CAU=:u1VX9uoav6pRK9K4ScrWe1 sXlFxixlurw5e2f/ARC7qvHCJcmQahLhUpxAK8Hz47i6QGTZb1jD/K/VYv9SCftWysC9K+q2r Ft45BrWoOPfSmRGN/SwoGUpU/7qxrRQLbd/O2MgWrt6SN551yYe9nf47ciZnsAbweF+iY11tP pcUoHcLUouxGPMtcZdk0eb4GB77LtkrcQ7ju35M2utVMMWVoiRfkv+rvzZBQh0rO6/wLRtOgs 7b/J4uE7xeEMACtNaa7lRJNYkkDVSwTkMEiY08Vo/iJcAD7fuwGMic6id1HK9PZIUX2c/C6Ou 6tbLRLXjdDcMBSoR5XzqycI0wPtr2/mmSbQTU05AlaNhxl4WGI5/roAKO6gmZ2nRwt/9Fl3MW +c/B2iPlDRmkOmYbgiW6vX4zzvO2P8lWZ14TbhDhcEWdntelQyw/omHvhdXk391lNvWUaDfPY UmLwgGBLO6XPl6gG0JhLTk3/EWnVC/tL5+eo92GmH5gcSKSnoJxRJBZJnZGcvcwxkutlXWboA WcLYf2+Kj/p3dKAXzdm1GS/OPzN+XFhAJTFL1HAEA/OMug6eQFE4S9Sdv3WkB+FVlWMZUKWwA Md8X9t7yhI5U/3x+8300xv1w3ohy7wpqW0a+Au1OW7jrixixyslU87XALaK0pOws2ynBmdSnH wFe5f3k1jsY6dpCrhso7xP0wqltKe+2HQ365FDFiOEL7w0s5Ez2fvA4CavRS2lT6ZxG5MjhQm t5f9ySo2hIGWujT/eTXjxARfOTV2jOcNHpMWAl76wSS/5x9n4B0gYw0C/lKqq6R1oAZlwxgrL Z7JlyrL2NrB3wjIe+46zALJFcYDRWJhQPGay78kXqT0tkWBLNt/IbBogLHUx4AjkrsnxwjCiM q99iiFpcjFooU9gdUk86Jl7na2YKgGrI6FGAOfh163WLtuCNAutDqdWXAQWmSn Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 48580 Cc: 48580@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) The more familiar (emacs) names can be put in the description and mouse po= p-up description. But internally, a more formal system implemented. I do not see that developers thought about tree structures in a formal man= ner (e.g. leaves, branches). Leaves are not bodies, and branches are not subh= eadings. We are getting even more people thinking badly about tree structures, and = having other developers get used to faulty nomenclature. What can be changed so that there could be some changes that can be handle= d, but not too excessive? There exists a really thought up system that outline shoul= d adopt. It would need documentation for others to understand. There can also be a deprecation process. Regards Peter > Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2021 at 8:10 PM > From: "Eli Zaretskii" > To: pietru@caramail.com > Cc: 48580@debbugs.gnu.org > Subject: bug#48580: Outline Mode using Phylogenetic Tree Nomenclature > > > From: pietru@caramail.com > > Date: Sat, 22 May 2021 09:56:15 +0200 > > Sensitivity: Normal > > > > I advise and lay out a system based on a formal Phylogenetic Tree that= implement > > Show-Hide Options. > > > > Show All (currently: Show All [unchanged]) > > Show Offsprings (currently: Show Children) > > Show Descendants (currently: Show Branches) > > Show Sub-Tree (currently: Show Subtree [unchanged]) > > Show Common Level (currently: Hide Sublevels) > > > > Hide Sub-Branches (currently: Hide Leaves - meaning Hide Body after he= ading) > > Hide Branches (currently: Hide Body, leaves all headings visible) > > Hide Current Branch (currently: Hide Entry - hide body of this heading= ) > > Hide Sub-Tree (currently: Hide Subtree [unchanged]) > > Hide Other (currently: Hide Other [unchanged]) > > FWIW, if I were presented with the menu labels as you suggest, I'd be > mightily confused by the unfamiliar terminology. "Branches", > "Levels", "Children", and "Tree" are familiar terms when dealing with > tree structures, whereas "Offsprings", "Descendants" and > "Sub-branches" aren't. > > > > From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat May 22 06:53:50 2021 Received: (at 48580) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 May 2021 10:53:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38369 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lkPGP-0000oH-TY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 22 May 2021 06:53:50 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.22]:55825) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lkPGM-0000o2-U7 for 48580@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 22 May 2021 06:53:48 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1621680820; bh=u1/u7UPtyq/T+VTw/w5nY1EVMR2LMS80r58pbL172PE=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:References; b=ZQDzcROefCRH6qi6dsKjSTKr4M60QOzwLHMN+kbm+u8n6wnipimubH1I3CbH+xPid AxTpYX4ht+jdaId0RnA3Gz2nnIv2/kEdBeHzKO41IskfHdvZPxlVnxzmjpAWqgw/M/ 3l7EE+2LWhLzfGXcfjSi9rqGTqA25JEQHY+zGUwA= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [213.165.168.94] ([213.165.168.94]) by web-mail.gmx.net (3c-app-mailcom-bs14.server.lan [172.19.170.182]) (via HTTP); Sat, 22 May 2021 12:53:40 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: pietru@caramail.com To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: bug#48580: Outline Mode using Phylogenetic Tree Nomenclature Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Sat, 22 May 2021 12:53:40 +0200 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal In-Reply-To: <83fsyfkx3u.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83fsyfkx3u.fsf@gnu.org> X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:EsaCDtjyTp1B93HUYP1zMiyTNZRj6vEj6cU6i2ktvP26hwdJBcsWjnZsLynemdo+CyWKB Gx4KxKyPEiwRyjO84B/sT0+TiLUXJdmT0CVkrBmxibnU6Gogef/JLDa3f1nBAswV1ZzklVvNhGUF yD5nfy1qUl8x8laICpLtZOI7thLZEKMj2csjziWCw9BOFD9BJPyC4ILgGhpuhHd3mq4VYMeJR2SO leb8evrMVKw/soj0G1060B3UawvETreuHBOtcRtMrEGpEAHbaGG8Yk8UjICAFHFGMRRToMPUY9P0 04= X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:zpbFvJooq28=:XALWf6WXt6BBxHLZDAKQTv WzsA5s/0AaXwMBO4hK1oL6HYfbLRDIe17SswoD36DX0a10VymlahpYPo3h9oYdL1ePdQLFG+F WsR1JZ3oKdxy3mqRS3OPYtuABYBmtW//cF154i7aln9GAsjHNIod2ro3gEZG8P4ERXBQUEJvw Mlne3XF6SbmU6rcZGdHcyoQA4sVHqu7Q/Xfz99l1gJ6wNzY/PFFYse16rn2MBPIzeXnWSexRt Q+soR36/YumrSCJNSR6SoOhVk4HveVyPr8Qupp5N0gcDP8ZobzRsi/HTDJs27vNFCj8WTlGRz FVEwgFZbqdoXrSz5oKakyO9M2+LJXZ5UOpeRhze3c4RfwBV/4MJ0yTz3/EJQC896rifhm5jWD 7R27BIP8RyPrwB9NmksNYfCxMPSaxD0wTCrpk/HJoW2zTZ3IaYS1aQDGDOSNuHOYIIfu/liz8 veYucdoxDjlxbvxDzMDZ29Vmqu0xHsRjiKCqqRlG3iUkO7sSdJvIzvPWtovrxst808IDxOyox N+Ot0ZDf6/Lx7v3Y5G/au67dfwEs6TQjkSiDroGT8GN7CHM5C/yTbvhdsOoW+2sy9s8hvHG7K GUbniYgwPvTZ9fmZ401v0FgagsaRnr1Thgl6dsar3Icl6VwpMYnRDXfATeQOmR0Tt/xBTNV8b SYaYl2RM5IMRaZLa7KNOVtLBO4/Qz6aV+CeWuSVp94Es0XO74rdT2NOYewN65mo63sEurgbgY UetYK9XxsIKYG6fEI1sqevrK5ZNYNMtl7L4L+JtC0psr/8ed9B0qvnSwGRxwtPiws7vQmuLIp Butp6o6XQmxUdzdtm7rZl3U9fM2+C48sFmyliFkkGgmOrm6Bj53GGbN2G1ZHcZmvpsTzn75qf CMl38QzIyWPHz5vlY0hw4IxwEj2mgoF3+x3Rf457XxSpdAvCzuqAwOClK9OltW Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 48580 Cc: 48580@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2021 at 8:10 PM > From: "Eli Zaretskii" > To: pietru@caramail.com > Cc: 48580@debbugs.gnu.org > Subject: bug#48580: Outline Mode using Phylogenetic Tree Nomenclature > > > From: pietru@caramail.com > > Date: Sat, 22 May 2021 09:56:15 +0200 > > Sensitivity: Normal > > > > I advise and lay out a system based on a formal Phylogenetic Tree that= implement > > Show-Hide Options. > > > > Show All (currently: Show All [unchanged]) > > Show Offsprings (currently: Show Children) > > Show Descendants (currently: Show Branches) > > Show Sub-Tree (currently: Show Subtree [unchanged]) > > Show Common Level (currently: Hide Sublevels) > > > > Hide Sub-Branches (currently: Hide Leaves - meaning Hide Body after he= ading) > > Hide Branches (currently: Hide Body, leaves all headings visible) > > Hide Current Branch (currently: Hide Entry - hide body of this heading= ) > > Hide Sub-Tree (currently: Hide Subtree [unchanged]) > > Hide Other (currently: Hide Other [unchanged]) > > FWIW, if I were presented with the menu labels as you suggest, I'd be > mightily confused by the unfamiliar terminology. "Branches", > "Levels", "Children", and "Tree" are familiar terms when dealing with > tree structures, whereas "Offsprings", "Descendants" and > "Sub-branches" aren't. The problem is not much about Levels, Children, and Tree. Things got problematic when people required additional words for showing a= nd hiding structures that go beyond Children, Levels and Tree. My focus is mostly a= bout "Entry" and Leaves. Leaves are always end-nodes, not related to the body ("hide leaves" means = "hide bodies" in outline.el [in addition to not being related to end-nodes either]). In= outline, leaves are expected to be the bodies of headlines. And even in standard tree nom= enclature, branches are not nodes (but "show branches means" "show nodes" in outline.el). Regards Peter > > > From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat May 22 07:47:15 2021 Received: (at 48580) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 May 2021 11:47:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38406 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lkQ67-0004Gk-En for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 22 May 2021 07:47:15 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.22]:39695) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lkQ64-0004GW-NV for 48580@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 22 May 2021 07:47:13 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1621684026; bh=/n7Mvklft80pvKor2dgkoWqTd6+v9klDsAfC/PqlZg8=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:References; b=OBmbdt73+BQ9KBBEvjxHanD2EZQSFSBZhVO2V6MTMmLOwYOBsrvt9h41bNOgcjdZM WH7N3FTKXBtd1TURsKxMwoGgIN9WMlFoe0DVhaVZBSPSyr1b7/64iwZgWVn3N+85Oc VchMvJraFwS3QXASxEuQhLVvLUR8WCFLHIayQ0+o= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [213.165.168.94] ([213.165.168.94]) by web-mail.gmx.net (3c-app-mailcom-bs14.server.lan [172.19.170.182]) (via HTTP); Sat, 22 May 2021 13:47:06 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: Christopher Dimech To: pietru@caramail.com Subject: bug#48580: Outline Mode using Phylogenetic Tree Nomenclature Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Sat, 22 May 2021 13:47:06 +0200 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal In-Reply-To: References: <83fsyfkx3u.fsf@gnu.org> X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:3UHCwN9y+0iGwgdYx/1wgRPG0ViVEl8XzkNzxh2eIn6xUbC0mpc/B2cnlvRgdvjvL1pWg t07TZuBwvPUES715UfFnyvetQSoQbudQ/nVANiEGoKRZn8wHPz5OKf+YKJk2lJ/gzbcV8fnw6lPs O513usi4ACCc0ZQQ8CTFKlIwga/6uPKFjDonrW3bfG2/OjAuRN6JBqefx6oRV3BdGZfbMkyDtCN3 Rhp7K1OOvlcoaA9E4Ft8GqpdylA2jpQuDJ91kPSLQ/ccgwyGxaKIxSCnR80g+gpZBE6lPKIxuiVm 50= X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:FDR1jrwpqUk=:uGQOMFUbllQA3Sp9PhWNPh nltptb6rTU6Iro+z3nu/gPhxWAcnpN1kTHeqlBeOHFrQAPOdw5pXnXLcg+xVUCaah8b/WTXdI YdI1IGMugeX21+Gsz8cLpmyEwYf+rkPy2QOJrV5AZS8xcDbglASev0G33DYSy1DojBcoVukWh bO1Tl7JefTJcbhFUEBO68wJkJZ3z/4gt/IqMSZf5JyJZ0jYWu/GiJjjMSlJF+o2obMz/pqxVx dT748g8fie/pK2b0f13gD0xEC76Mjm0S1NKnWo/Zm1bRuemxne3reDijBXCwH54+sg5zh7ujf bDxmsPcowC4jIBq0WZn7glVxDWqpGSE9ohpXn3IY8x9hjWHtaDaqThl06aOf8W9vBCYBxEKBg 4YDSxc00inrmfutPonXfUwtkae6v4/GpGAXpfU1GoRpdGGQh03OQjBQZ7dP+uxkf7NgPbBOFl jFwBpnkhlM/0jMseAAgztbNmZi8DxHSXsKzWSSZwgu3jbRHoo3VsMZQB5hZMtYFHEWzfmIm/v 3a//hoP6nsCSnjXzp2NpMccPDsH2Gm1wHY18fdm0Ej+9eSYgQZFENOQq4ct2XWtZiQcfTnNb+ qJbXnzaIiEoP4DXEFwc8eiAPHIP0LngI36PsMjd3VUMWB+KVrVKqPh7KObxBsy1RQ05Dro5jy DIOBMjXgWzlLdnPMlJ7E2BqaM2sxRzm0snGwGwYUoXvvOL92Yc6eTzLJ5lDLN43qi8TTN7+T7 FhuM/86BopBnTfar+MwDlUeupVHJlcUn4DTIuIJVx52icQkVvZtyS0ouih2nJCBiYYRZrujvt c/flhOl/gSyjulbNHT97ktXRIQsIuS2U8Us1OIFG5ZWiHMNUcS4rw2KChU4jL/Ae9u2QwHJu7 DvvHuOAwnEORRC62SfKEycGbBnEVn1NCTOKVkTlP4jt4dzVe7RSWIudgvljIKE Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 48580 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 48580@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2021 at 10:53 PM > From: pietru@caramail.com > To: "Eli Zaretskii" > Cc: 48580@debbugs.gnu.org > Subject: bug#48580: Outline Mode using Phylogenetic Tree Nomenclature > > > Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2021 at 8:10 PM > > From: "Eli Zaretskii" > > To: pietru@caramail.com > > Cc: 48580@debbugs.gnu.org > > Subject: bug#48580: Outline Mode using Phylogenetic Tree Nomenclature > > > > > From: pietru@caramail.com > > > Date: Sat, 22 May 2021 09:56:15 +0200 > > > Sensitivity: Normal > > > > > > I advise and lay out a system based on a formal Phylogenetic Tree th= at implement > > > Show-Hide Options. > > > > > > Show All (currently: Show All [unchanged]) > > > Show Offsprings (currently: Show Children) > > > Show Descendants (currently: Show Branches) > > > Show Sub-Tree (currently: Show Subtree [unchanged]) > > > Show Common Level (currently: Hide Sublevels) > > > > > > Hide Sub-Branches (currently: Hide Leaves - meaning Hide Body after = heading) > > > Hide Branches (currently: Hide Body, leaves all headings visible) > > > Hide Current Branch (currently: Hide Entry - hide body of this headi= ng) > > > Hide Sub-Tree (currently: Hide Subtree [unchanged]) > > > Hide Other (currently: Hide Other [unchanged]) > > > > FWIW, if I were presented with the menu labels as you suggest, I'd be > > mightily confused by the unfamiliar terminology. "Branches", > > "Levels", "Children", and "Tree" are familiar terms when dealing with > > tree structures, whereas "Offsprings", "Descendants" and > > "Sub-branches" aren't. > > The problem is not much about Levels, Children, and Tree. > > Things got problematic when people required additional words for showing= and hiding > structures that go beyond Children, Levels and Tree. My focus is mostly= about "Entry" > and Leaves. > > Leaves are always end-nodes, not related to the body ("hide leaves" mean= s "hide bodies" > in outline.el [in addition to not being related to end-nodes either]). = In outline, leaves > are expected to be the bodies of headlines. And even in standard tree n= omenclature, branches > are not nodes (but "show branches means" "show nodes" in outline.el). The arguments you brought up are fundamentally correct. Instead of "branc= hes", outline.el could use "bodies". "leaves" and "entry" should also be changed. "Hide = Entry" is really "Hide Current Body". And "Hide Body" hides all bodies in buffer, but essentially means "Show Tr= ee" (show headlines only without displaying bodies). 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii writes: > FWIW, if I were presented with the menu labels as you suggest, I'd be > mightily confused by the unfamiliar terminology. "Branches", > "Levels", "Children", and "Tree" are familiar terms when dealin [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 48580 Cc: pietru@caramail.com, 48580@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: > FWIW, if I were presented with the menu labels as you suggest, I'd be > mightily confused by the unfamiliar terminology. "Branches", > "Levels", "Children", and "Tree" are familiar terms when dealing with > tree structures, whereas "Offsprings", "Descendants" and > "Sub-branches" aren't. I agree, so I don't think we should change anything here. 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"Branches", > > "Levels", "Children", and "Tree" are familiar terms when dealing with > > tree structures, whereas "Offsprings", "Descendants" and > > "Sub-branches" aren't. > > I agree, so I don't think we should change anything here. Closing. Could there be something else than leaves, because it actually hides the c= urrent body, and "hide body" hides all bodies. > -- > (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) > bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no > From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed May 26 07:58:04 2021 Received: (at 48580) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 May 2021 11:58:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47777 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1llsAm-0001ma-3q for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 May 2021 07:58:04 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:37994) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1llsAj-0001m6-Jp for 48580@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 May 2021 07:58:02 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:59726) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1llsAd-0007BL-VX; Wed, 26 May 2021 07:57:55 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:4094 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1llsAd-0001tq-AD; Wed, 26 May 2021 07:57:55 -0400 Date: Wed, 26 May 2021 14:57:54 +0300 Message-Id: <838s41btbx.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: pietru@caramail.com In-Reply-To: (pietru@caramail.com) Subject: Re: bug#48580: Outline Mode using Phylogenetic Tree Nomenclature References: <83fsyfkx3u.fsf@gnu.org> <87wnrmd187.fsf@gnus.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 48580 Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 48580@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: pietru@caramail.com > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 48580@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Tue, 25 May 2021 22:15:06 +0200 > > Could there be something else than leaves, because it actually hides the current body, > and "hide body" hides all bodies. What would you suggest instead of "Hide leaves"? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed May 26 08:23:26 2021 Received: (at 48580) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 May 2021 12:23:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47821 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1llsZK-0002Ta-I7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 May 2021 08:23:26 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.15]:60001) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1llsZH-0002TH-Js for 48580@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 May 2021 08:23:24 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1622031797; bh=mIQy0Mt049ZPCp2u8S6lgZIJ+QwUMKjG9iFEQLeBQy4=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:References; b=G/w0rirDy1dchsj4rW24xPkrq8nv/RFLVzpAw8w5r6/d6ffBUTQ5uGf6pI0xYnX81 +BBigYvEieinmK13p2p1Uy16RhnfkAi+IncSzFlCxchv7MZdNNrJbMET/c8/1QbOsQ KOFZ4Ol4mUAkrQtPbIPRL4syhJLX/RGqhaf1+8QQ= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [213.165.168.94] ([213.165.168.94]) by web-mail.gmx.net (3c-app-mailcom-bs11.server.lan [172.19.170.179]) (via HTTP); Wed, 26 May 2021 14:23:17 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: pietru@caramail.com To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: bug#48580: Outline Mode using Phylogenetic Tree Nomenclature Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Wed, 26 May 2021 14:23:17 +0200 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal In-Reply-To: <838s41btbx.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83fsyfkx3u.fsf@gnu.org> <87wnrmd187.fsf@gnus.org> <838s41btbx.fsf@gnu.org> X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:txGlIDRSEHzUY0AjhMB92KFpr4fcsfk4fCFjUz8UTBavZwOWx5TIVSC81Hisp96MBUo0b STcrflui2EkYR6OrCNKVTOqHwcphokj/y1WwcL2OhC3LFBJzu+ouXExjAfo5nMk6gi9ww1T3seea 2PFbtSuyZv4OkIUq78aaMUt3FrV/ZqfHWwINExYi/OeXLzFID0Ba5ir4b+mzvYjEWpDGZlLccTwK R/xADH0Iu9CZU36B9vlLmLF/KCJshNA+4NW79jSGK/aflroSB383Ja17mBgv1Ydj1mFj+S2qsdE5 YM= X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:uKDYEJVvd+I=:nOxecUskvO74CT2KotW6Mg r/7A4zyWoqKJc9+k1JmQ2lpLq3uvr6CsilXc6CTqMh360RRuvnPivEX+FjquMTfOXP2/YE/jb /HY5pk7mE+GfFceQXpBsuThB5LavQQFAkINeMYhSKkcsZo0/ZesDU4oZE95n1mheSh2dNyiDl bbA1gpnG8ZPRL7c0o2IBruFQFZYliriD5Tz5vaMlEPfDgEex3cElBG89Z8Ci8ZJw43qfNgEdf Eho3JQnfLsbtA2D5XMwmh0Fi9+m0Y1Z7g+eQwtlLpPNko+VSvEaBUEQ0BogcDFNO7Bd6SwcNW xlN7SJ8XsLVdQGvrq968G2Hiutgh3s8dy07TewvqOQ6c+HQ9qEkltLRIjV+6QqZdAegDDx9/I NxL3iQD6iaLwtBcWqWittGz89oqZAAQAxqKMnsTTLBMH552g6LuZVw9idAHYx/0MA3VBly5fU 35J5NkYrsBzcRmv8g8/1bvJt0YcjKbUdE+obLEFfZ/cPROJtQsxsMZq6IFvvm57ZqbzMBDNRB NmmkSrNiYRkbEzCtxFgG+XZ4MUehHWPROr2eVE6oxD1oQQv+JZ2/gvVbAiuAfwLquLLijdVMb uKRatVfQall1k4Pubb1zgPMwU3vi5mOfCHGk0Xr3L/ksNwsOdCyCWVmojF61bD2qGt+z8IceS X245ky61zPrjo18EkaAvQlzVw4kxLyhTne2tZ5IANoiAfTyvkIVw8rTrAN61QJThZFDPDISJh +3Pkv5ThEmlG9Fi5iyCA7BRkSNc2MOrmWTK3CDCqUfdv/QKhCixIuPfM8ROC92UUTEEgl6ycZ kgQnSGjp/cqK++gt7x9wEZOPFkQ21aGh0+A8vFKjdNPYuwVaqizh12TYqB+vuSjIeiHPMhzEq 4YyQP8wwcLgUxAm9o3bfMqOzfuD6saL3cFPd7dofwEfOPnD2mZ4fRx/kKkz7G/ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 48580 Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 48580@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) > Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 at 11:57 PM > From: "Eli Zaretskii" > To: pietru@caramail.com > Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 48580@debbugs.gnu.org > Subject: Re: bug#48580: Outline Mode using Phylogenetic Tree Nomenclatur= e > > > From: pietru@caramail.com > > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 48580@debbugs.gnu.org > > Date: Tue, 25 May 2021 22:15:06 +0200 > > > > Could there be something else than leaves, because it actually hides t= he current body, > > and "hide body" hides all bodies. > > What would you suggest instead of "Hide leaves"? What do you think of the following "Hide Internal bodies", "Hide Inner Bodies", "Hide Connected Bodies" From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu May 27 03:37:23 2021 Received: (at 48580) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 May 2021 07:37:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50544 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lmAa3-00053H-7y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 27 May 2021 03:37:23 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:58310) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lmAa1-000533-H8 for 48580@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 27 May 2021 03:37:21 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:37336) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lmAZv-0006A5-Iq; Thu, 27 May 2021 03:37:15 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:1485 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lmAZu-0005VV-TL; Thu, 27 May 2021 03:37:15 -0400 Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 10:37:16 +0300 Message-Id: <834keoaaqb.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: pietru@caramail.com In-Reply-To: (pietru@caramail.com) Subject: Re: bug#48580: Outline Mode using Phylogenetic Tree Nomenclature References: <83fsyfkx3u.fsf@gnu.org> <87wnrmd187.fsf@gnus.org> <838s41btbx.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 48580 Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 48580@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: pietru@caramail.com > Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 48580@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Wed, 26 May 2021 14:23:17 +0200 > > > > Could there be something else than leaves, because it actually hides the current body, > > > and "hide body" hides all bodies. > > > > What would you suggest instead of "Hide leaves"? > > What do you think of the following > > "Hide Internal bodies", "Hide Inner Bodies", "Hide Connected Bodies" How about "Hide Subtree's Bodies"? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu May 27 03:42:26 2021 Received: (at 48580) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 May 2021 07:42:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50552 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lmAew-0005BD-35 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 27 May 2021 03:42:26 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.20]:38075) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lmAeu-0005Ax-Ak for 48580@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 27 May 2021 03:42:25 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1622101338; bh=WBWs7AhdjGZ8ie2sVFGTLu6W7RgIol7oGUHMgeTMEPE=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:References; b=SFYpvGbZQ09DayD5WBlWCJQu0QSamCIbN4i9gfYEuKndRD9GJ+XfRSKTJivV+NsiJ UQjEiwKSPdNEZfXbPe4cSJ5wHZi+xHFIxLM0v+ZBmB1IlEA4f9aMgj3/oj2kVm+lkO nDOC3pm9t2GH0A72i4KRMcO3SxMdiEBzkWYjgwnU= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [213.165.168.94] ([213.165.168.94]) by web-mail.gmx.net (3c-app-mailcom-bs03.server.lan [172.19.170.169]) (via HTTP); Thu, 27 May 2021 09:42:18 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: From: pietru@caramail.com To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: bug#48580: Outline Mode using Phylogenetic Tree Nomenclature Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Thu, 27 May 2021 09:42:18 +0200 Importance: normal Sensitivity: Normal In-Reply-To: <834keoaaqb.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83fsyfkx3u.fsf@gnu.org> <87wnrmd187.fsf@gnus.org> <838s41btbx.fsf@gnu.org> <834keoaaqb.fsf@gnu.org> X-UI-Message-Type: mail X-Priority: 3 X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:UTS+E0H+w6pJsxxiGnad8mOxeYyRVfvfFoKZ1zBtekAvdupiCQ6EU3Hfpgmqe/ApH27fJ /Uj+g//7kQNcRRISJQt0mNnPbjxhSh/XhYYshogd2IZvS53W5KF6xHcaDPANKde/O2zeFdr9Q2+Y voLzfH8vMmfKRoeVHwyWap9rFGPU9bm3gVLZ+uBNNiSQlKsfECglDxfna9xemXb1fLV4d8yJZ+HD VGNIQJRaBc7M1Rq4Oxc+kKVosEtSiQQiHbR5w2l5EnGy9s46baRaIDDcP6nYRenpd6A5FbOUnjXW vI= X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:z+UenZxljGY=:DYlhcfDjXl8kxXqguCFn9K EmXalWF8pDznjrk+roLg7PVbwfDMe8snV/rLMGFzerXz+B0fu11wIJB+cOUMrwCziSFaWeBL8 HljkXjzVjTu8PhxMhkUb3j/PBktPQjMGPUM2aSsZRhoQT/PG27xpqECtNnvZs1yxvPKf/sFMe RXej5eJe9fVaGrInqcIjZkgK5VBRbMV8z/sGMs6Qjch96Ut3Ao65WOcL/wGt5LrJWD69OjLSO in6oUX9XX7v9MRhBPCR9wWOqQA9B9UM3U8UIc+0uY8qKNGgCaVi+YpiWGTKsBTW5xIzzhbpiy qIcw2zafFwLAy/5xt3szaGooost2s9nhUaZ4D6fST0hVerzu4VkMo6NAkyUTBnTEnjfYBvVv2 fjuhBSpUjGVO4wh3NWJhlSNNUww2nELrkag1yNEOSl7pd4BUFsYcISn34dVLGFLdAILsH/2Oq ywAGmptkSWhb3rb0FHl/cucqxWv2OPwNHKN45e+XeHXcEaEP0SOe+FpdizgkWV/IgNuXfFp1Z Km8W/+VATlVi7EehFgAgYDhxKed0WrjocNixJVYp9Aagrq68Pmh5N7mlrKmf/MvE3/MYJKt8L gYg11gXfAIM548NKSjJ1ICV/uifCIFGldTIfQ7qSfTMxDmVhRB8QlI+vCdmgKr2KUUm70HWiX HusR27Qbbvy4MLoebdmnplVhH4VVvFL4y6llzxJiqF6doWW9RDGHco6QIjKOqpXeHiPqhrrjI Z5OKtvGw07CZWYzwm2CqhqVOQFXpqZz7iw6dZNEaj8bO56LBXNuiMWNGChy04gxJ2p/rISj1w ddAJjDnZD+4UBlbUJ2rf1coXRd5Tw== Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 48580 Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 48580@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2021 at 7:37 PM > From: "Eli Zaretskii" > To: pietru@caramail.com > Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 48580@debbugs.gnu.org > Subject: Re: bug#48580: Outline Mode using Phylogenetic Tree Nomenclatur= e > > > From: pietru@caramail.com > > Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 48580@debbugs.gnu.org > > Date: Wed, 26 May 2021 14:23:17 +0200 > > > > > > Could there be something else than leaves, because it actually hid= es the current body, > > > > and "hide body" hides all bodies. > > > > > > What would you suggest instead of "Hide leaves"? > > > > What do you think of the following > > > > "Hide Internal bodies", "Hide Inner Bodies", "Hide Connected Bodies" > > How about "Hide Subtree's Bodies"? 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