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28.0.50; Per file-handle (stdin, stdout and stderr) process-connection-type variable

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From: Thomas Hisch <thomas.hisch <at> ims.co.at>
To: <bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org>
Subject: 28.0.50; Per file-handle (stdin, stdout and stderr)
 process-connection-type variable
Date: Sat, 1 May 2021 01:10:10 +0200

I would like that the configuration options of the three file
handles (stdin, stdout and stderr), when a new process is created
in emacs, are improved.  What I'm specifically asking for is to
add support for individually specifying for each file-handle
whether it should be connected to a pty or not.  Currently the
value of the process-connection-type variable applies to all
three file handles at once, which leads to a problem with the
following use-case:

Usually a program outputs ANSI escape sequences when its stdout
file-handle is connected to a pty. It is currently not possible to
communicate with a subprocess that is created by `start-file-process' by
writing to a pty (via stdin) and avoiding that this subprocess writes
ANSI escape sequences to stdout. This use-case is needed by magit, which
currently doesn't have support for displaying ANSI escape sequences but
it needs to communicate with it's started subprocesses via a PTY
(https://github.com/magit/magit/issues/3549).

The reason why I need this feature is that ANSI escape sequences may be
output by git-hooks (scripts stored in .git/hooks) if git is run from a
terminal/pty. Magit uses (setq process-connection-type t) when creating
subprocesses s.t. it can commuicate via the stdin file-handle that is
connected to a pty with the subprocess.

Here is an small example that shows that all file handles can
either be connected to a pty (process-connection-type t) or none
of them (process-connection-type nil).

(let ((process-connection-type nil)
      (process-buf (generate-new-buffer "*temp*")))
    (apply #'start-file-process
           "isatty"
           process-buf
           "/tmp/output-isatty.py" nil))

The output-isatty.pt looks like

#!/usr/bin/env python3
import sys
print(f'in: {sys.stdin.isatty()}')
print(f'out: {sys.stdout.isatty()}')
print(f'err: {sys.stderr.isatty()}')


If the above elisp code is run

in: False
out: False
err: False

is written to the *temp* buffer if process-connection-type is nil.
And

in: True
out: True
err: True

is written to the *temp* buffer if process-connection-type is t.

In the 'subprocess' and the 'pty' modules in the python stdlib the above
use-case is already supported (see the possible values for the
stdin,stdout and stderr params). Here is a small demo that attaches a
pty to stdin and two normal pipes to stdout and stderr:

import os
import pty
import subprocess

master, slave = pty.openpty()

# see https://docs.python.org/3.5/library/subprocess.html#popen-constructor
proc = subprocess.Popen(
    ('./t.py',),
    stdin=slave,
    stdout=subprocess.PIPE,
    stderr=subprocess.PIPE,
)

os.close(slave)
with os.fdopen(master, 'wb', 0) as stdin:
    stdin.write(b'hello\n')
    out, err = proc.communicate()

print('RETC:')
print(proc.returncode)
print('OUT:')
print(out.decode(), end='')
print('ERR:')
print(err.decode(), end='')



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Message #8 received at 48129 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Thomas Hisch <thomas.hisch <at> ims.co.at>
Cc: 48129 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#48129: 28.0.50;
 Per file-handle (stdin, stdout and stderr) process-connection-type
 variable
Date: Sat, 01 May 2021 09:09:39 +0300

> From: Thomas Hisch <thomas.hisch <at> ims.co.at>
> Date: Sat, 1 May 2021 01:10:10 +0200
> 
> 
> I would like that the configuration options of the three file
> handles (stdin, stdout and stderr), when a new process is created
> in emacs, are improved.  What I'm specifically asking for is to
> add support for individually specifying for each file-handle
> whether it should be connected to a pty or not.  Currently the
> value of the process-connection-type variable applies to all
> three file handles at once, which leads to a problem with the
> following use-case:
> 
> Usually a program outputs ANSI escape sequences when its stdout
> file-handle is connected to a pty. It is currently not possible to
> communicate with a subprocess that is created by `start-file-process' by
> writing to a pty (via stdin) and avoiding that this subprocess writes
> ANSI escape sequences to stdout. This use-case is needed by magit, which
> currently doesn't have support for displaying ANSI escape sequences but
> it needs to communicate with it's started subprocesses via a PTY
> (https://github.com/magit/magit/issues/3549).

We have make-pipe-process; can't you solve your problem by connecting
your process's stdout to such a pipe-process?  If not, why not?

Message #13 received at 48129 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Thomas Hisch <thomas.hisch <at> ims.co.at>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 48129 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#48129: 28.0.50; Per file-handle (stdin, stdout and stderr)
 process-connection-type variable
Date: Sun, 2 May 2021 12:19:21 +0200

On 5/1/21 8:09 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> From: Thomas Hisch <thomas.hisch <at> ims.co.at>
>> Date: Sat, 1 May 2021 01:10:10 +0200
>>
>>
>> I would like that the configuration options of the three file
>> handles (stdin, stdout and stderr), when a new process is created
>> in emacs, are improved.  What I'm specifically asking for is to
>> add support for individually specifying for each file-handle
>> whether it should be connected to a pty or not.  Currently the
>> value of the process-connection-type variable applies to all
>> three file handles at once, which leads to a problem with the
>> following use-case:
>>
>> Usually a program outputs ANSI escape sequences when its stdout
>> file-handle is connected to a pty. It is currently not possible to
>> communicate with a subprocess that is created by `start-file-process' by
>> writing to a pty (via stdin) and avoiding that this subprocess writes
>> ANSI escape sequences to stdout. This use-case is needed by magit, which
>> currently doesn't have support for displaying ANSI escape sequences but
>> it needs to communicate with it's started subprocesses via a PTY
>> (https://github.com/magit/magit/issues/3549).
>
> We have make-pipe-process; can't you solve your problem by connecting
> your process's stdout to such a pipe-process?  If not, why not?
>

Thx Eli for the fast reply! I had to study the docs of make-pipe-process
and make-process to understand what you mean. However, I'm not fully
sure if I fully get what you mean.

AFAICS the pipe process which is returned by make-pipe-process can be
passed to the :stderr keyword argument of make-process. Is that what you
head in mind?

According to the docs of make-process, process-connection-type is
ignored if :stderr is passed to make-process:

>  This parameter and the value of ‘process-connection-type’ are
ignored if a non-‘nil’ value is specified for the ‘:stderr’ parameter;
in that case, the type will always be ‘pipe’.

What I want is that stdout and stderr are connected to a pipe but stdin
is connected to a pty.

Here is the new test script that I used

(let* (
      (stderr-buffer (get-buffer-create "*stderr*"))
      (stderr-proc (make-pipe-process :name "stderr"
                      :buffer stderr-buffer))
      (process-buf (get-buffer-create "*temp*")))
    (make-process
     :name "isatty"
     :buffer process-buf ;; it is not possible to pass the output of
make-pipe-process to :buffer
     :connection-type 'pty ;; unfortunately ignored if :stderr is used
     :stderr stderr-proc
     :command (list "/tmp/output-isatty.py")))

Best regards
Thomas
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Message #16 received at 48129 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Thomas Hisch <thomas.hisch <at> ims.co.at>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 48129 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#48129: 28.0.50; Per file-handle (stdin, stdout and stderr)
 process-connection-type variable
Date: Fri, 7 May 2021 21:46:15 +0200

On 5/2/21 12:19, Thomas Hisch wrote:
> On 5/1/21 8:09 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>>> From: Thomas Hisch <thomas.hisch <at> ims.co.at>
>>> Date: Sat, 1 May 2021 01:10:10 +0200
>>>
>>>
>>> I would like that the configuration options of the three file
>>> handles (stdin, stdout and stderr), when a new process is created
>>> in emacs, are improved.  What I'm specifically asking for is to
>>> add support for individually specifying for each file-handle
>>> whether it should be connected to a pty or not.  Currently the
>>> value of the process-connection-type variable applies to all
>>> three file handles at once, which leads to a problem with the
>>> following use-case:
>>>
>>> Usually a program outputs ANSI escape sequences when its stdout
>>> file-handle is connected to a pty. It is currently not possible to
>>> communicate with a subprocess that is created by `start-file-process' by
>>> writing to a pty (via stdin) and avoiding that this subprocess writes
>>> ANSI escape sequences to stdout. This use-case is needed by magit, which
>>> currently doesn't have support for displaying ANSI escape sequences but
>>> it needs to communicate with it's started subprocesses via a PTY
>>> (https://github.com/magit/magit/issues/3549).
>>
>> We have make-pipe-process; can't you solve your problem by connecting
>> your process's stdout to such a pipe-process?  If not, why not?
>>
>
> Thx Eli for the fast reply! I had to study the docs of make-pipe-process
> and make-process to understand what you mean. However, I'm not fully
> sure if I fully get what you mean.
>
> AFAICS the pipe process which is returned by make-pipe-process can be
> passed to the :stderr keyword argument of make-process. Is that what you
> head in mind?
>
> According to the docs of make-process, process-connection-type is
> ignored if :stderr is passed to make-process:
>
>>  This parameter and the value of ‘process-connection-type’ are
> ignored if a non-‘nil’ value is specified for the ‘:stderr’ parameter;
> in that case, the type will always be ‘pipe’.
>
> What I want is that stdout and stderr are connected to a pipe but stdin
> is connected to a pty.
>
> Here is the new test script that I used
>
> (let* (
>       (stderr-buffer (get-buffer-create "*stderr*"))
>       (stderr-proc (make-pipe-process :name "stderr"
>                       :buffer stderr-buffer))
>       (process-buf (get-buffer-create "*temp*")))
>     (make-process
>      :name "isatty"
>      :buffer process-buf ;; it is not possible to pass the output of
> make-pipe-process to :buffer
>      :connection-type 'pty ;; unfortunately ignored if :stderr is used
>      :stderr stderr-proc
>      :command (list "/tmp/output-isatty.py")))
>

Eli can you tell me if you meant that we should use make-process in
combination with make-pipe-process?

Best regards
Thomas
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Message #19 received at 48129 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Thomas Hisch <thomas.hisch <at> ims.co.at>
Cc: 48129 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#48129: 28.0.50; Per file-handle (stdin, stdout and stderr)
 process-connection-type variable
Date: Sat, 15 May 2021 10:23:10 +0300

> Date: Fri, 7 May 2021 21:46:15 +0200
> From: Thomas Hisch <thomas.hisch <at> ims.co.at>
> CC: <48129 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
> 
> >> We have make-pipe-process; can't you solve your problem by connecting
> >> your process's stdout to such a pipe-process?  If not, why not?
> >>
> >
> > Thx Eli for the fast reply! I had to study the docs of make-pipe-process
> > and make-process to understand what you mean. However, I'm not fully
> > sure if I fully get what you mean.
> >
> > AFAICS the pipe process which is returned by make-pipe-process can be
> > passed to the :stderr keyword argument of make-process. Is that what you
> > head in mind?
> >
> > According to the docs of make-process, process-connection-type is
> > ignored if :stderr is passed to make-process:
> >
> >>  This parameter and the value of ‘process-connection-type’ are
> > ignored if a non-‘nil’ value is specified for the ‘:stderr’ parameter;
> > in that case, the type will always be ‘pipe’.
> >
> > What I want is that stdout and stderr are connected to a pipe but stdin
> > is connected to a pty.
> >
> > Here is the new test script that I used
> >
> > (let* (
> >       (stderr-buffer (get-buffer-create "*stderr*"))
> >       (stderr-proc (make-pipe-process :name "stderr"
> >                       :buffer stderr-buffer))
> >       (process-buf (get-buffer-create "*temp*")))
> >     (make-process
> >      :name "isatty"
> >      :buffer process-buf ;; it is not possible to pass the output of
> > make-pipe-process to :buffer
> >      :connection-type 'pty ;; unfortunately ignored if :stderr is used
> >      :stderr stderr-proc
> >      :command (list "/tmp/output-isatty.py")))
> >
> 
> Eli can you tell me if you meant that we should use make-process in
> combination with make-pipe-process?

If it's possible to solve your problem by using make-pipe-process, I'd
prefer such a solution.  Introducing yet another obscure option to
make-process should best be avoided, IMO.

Message #22 received at 48129 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: Thomas Hisch <thomas.hisch <at> ims.co.at>, 48129 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#48129: 28.0.50; Per file-handle (stdin, stdout and stderr)
 process-connection-type variable
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2021 14:18:30 +0200

Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:

> If it's possible to solve your problem by using make-pipe-process, I'd
> prefer such a solution.  Introducing yet another obscure option to
> make-process should best be avoided, IMO.

This was a month ago, and there was no followup, so I'm going to go
ahead and assume that the make-pipe-process workaround works (and that
seems like a pretty composable solution to me, too), and I'm closing
this bug report.

If there's more to be done here, please respond to the debbugs address
and we'll reopen.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

Message #27 received at 48129 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Thomas Hisch <thomas.hisch <at> ims.co.at>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 48129 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#48129: 28.0.50; Per file-handle (stdin, stdout and stderr)
 process-connection-type variable
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2021 16:23:29 +0200

Hi,

On 6/12/21 14:18, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote:
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:
>
>> If it's possible to solve your problem by using make-pipe-process, I'd
>> prefer such a solution.  Introducing yet another obscure option to
>> make-process should best be avoided, IMO.

Yes I agree, if I could use make-pipe-process I would use it, but I
guess it doesn't work.


(let* ((stderr-buffer (get-buffer-create "*stderr*"))
       (stderr-pipe-proc (make-pipe-process :name "stderr"
                                            :buffer stderr-buffer))
       (stdout-buffer (get-buffer-create "*temp*")))
    (make-process
     :name "isatty"
     ;; what do I want?
     ;; I want stdin to be connected to a pty but not stdout
     :buffer stdout-buffer
     :connection-type 'pty
     :stderr stderr-pipe-proc
     :command (list "/tmp/output-isatty.py")))

What have I tried:

* toggling the connection-type arguement doesn't have any impact on the
output of the python script, which is run as a subprocess.

* if a stderr argument is passed to make-process and the value is a the
pipe-process, then both stdin as well as stdout in the subprocess are
connected non-pty devices

* if a stderr argument is not passed to make-process, then both stdin as
well as stdout in the subprocess are connected to pty devices.


Can you tell me if I should use make-process/make-pipe-process in a
different way?


> This was a month ago, and there was no followup, so I'm going to go
> ahead and assume that the make-pipe-process workaround works (and that
> seems like a pretty composable solution to me, too), and I'm closing
> this bug report.
>
> If there's more to be done here, please respond to the debbugs address
> and we'll reopen.
>

sry for the late reply. Unfortunately make-pike-process doesn't work for
me, or at least I don't know how I should use it.



Best regards,
Thomas




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Message #30 received at 48129 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Thomas Hisch <thomas.hisch <at> ims.co.at>
Cc: 48129 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, larsi <at> gnus.org
Subject: Re: bug#48129: 28.0.50; Per file-handle (stdin, stdout and stderr)
 process-connection-type variable
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2021 18:31:56 +0300

> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2021 16:23:29 +0200
> CC: <48129 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
> From: Thomas Hisch <thomas.hisch <at> ims.co.at>
> 
> > Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:
> >
> >> If it's possible to solve your problem by using make-pipe-process, I'd
> >> prefer such a solution.  Introducing yet another obscure option to
> >> make-process should best be avoided, IMO.
> 
> Yes I agree, if I could use make-pipe-process I would use it, but I
> guess it doesn't work.
> 
> 
> (let* ((stderr-buffer (get-buffer-create "*stderr*"))
>         (stderr-pipe-proc (make-pipe-process :name "stderr"
>                                              :buffer stderr-buffer))
>         (stdout-buffer (get-buffer-create "*temp*")))
>      (make-process
>       :name "isatty"
>       ;; what do I want?
>       ;; I want stdin to be connected to a pty but not stdout
>       :buffer stdout-buffer
>       :connection-type 'pty
>       :stderr stderr-pipe-proc
>       :command (list "/tmp/output-isatty.py")))
> 
> What have I tried:
> 
> * toggling the connection-type arguement doesn't have any impact on the
> output of the python script, which is run as a subprocess.
> 
> * if a stderr argument is passed to make-process and the value is a the
> pipe-process, then both stdin as well as stdout in the subprocess are
> connected non-pty devices
> 
> * if a stderr argument is not passed to make-process, then both stdin as
> well as stdout in the subprocess are connected to pty devices.

Indeed, I forgot that using :stderr with make-process automatically
resets the process connection typ to use pipes for all the 3 standard
handles.  I guess there's some technical issue underlying that?
Because we had that restriction since day one.  Perhaps using PTYs
means that stderr must be redirected to the same device as stdout or
something?

Message #33 received at 48129 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Thomas Hisch <thomas.hisch <at> ims.co.at>
Cc: 48129 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Subject: Re: bug#48129: 28.0.50; Per file-handle (stdin, stdout and stderr)
 process-connection-type variable
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2021 17:48:44 +0200

Thomas Hisch <thomas.hisch <at> ims.co.at> writes:

> sry for the late reply. Unfortunately make-pike-process doesn't work for
> me, or at least I don't know how I should use it.

OK; reopening.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

Message #38 received at 48129 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Thomas Hisch <thomas.hisch <at> ims.co.at>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 48129 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, larsi <at> gnus.org
Subject: Re: bug#48129: 28.0.50; Per file-handle (stdin, stdout and stderr)
 process-connection-type variable
Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2021 18:49:40 +0200

On 6/12/21 17:31, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> * if a stderr argument is not passed to make-process, then both stdin as
>> well as stdout in the subprocess are connected to pty devices.
>
> Indeed, I forgot that using :stderr with make-process automatically
> resets the process connection typ to use pipes for all the 3 standard
> handles.  I guess there's some technical issue underlying that?

I guess you mean a technical issue in emacs and not in the OS, right?
cpython e.g. doesn't have this limitation. In cpython you can pass
one of the following values to each file handle (stdin, stdout, stderr)
 in the subprocess module:

(see https://docs.python.org/3.10/library/subprocess.html#subprocess.Popen)

subprocess.DEVNULL

    Special value that can be used as the stdin, stdout or stderr
argument to Popen and indicates that the special file os.devnull will be
used.

subprocess.PIPE

    Special value that can be used as the stdin, stdout or stderr
argument to Popen and indicates that a pipe to the standard stream
should be opened. Most useful with Popen.communicate().

subprocess.STDOUT

    Special value that can be used as the stderr argument to Popen and
indicates that standard error should go into the same handle as standard
output.


It is also possible to use

> an existing file descriptor (a positive integer), an existing file
object, and None.

If you want to assign a file handle to pty you have to pass a file
descriptor to one of the handles (stdin,stdout,stderr)


It would be nice if emacs were as flexible as cpython w.r.t. configuring
file handles for subprocesses.


> Because we had that restriction since day one.  Perhaps using PTYs
> means that stderr must be redirected to the same device as stdout or
> something?
>
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