From dann@godzilla.ics.uci.edu Thu Oct 22 22:28:09 2009 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 23 Oct 2009 05:28:09 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.9 required=4.0 tests=AWL,X_DEBBUGS_NO_ACK autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from lists.gnu.org (lists.gnu.org [199.232.76.165]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n9N5S7xj019595 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2009 22:28:09 -0700 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1N1Ch5-0006Vc-IG for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 01:28:07 -0400 Received: from exim by lists.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1N1Ch0-0006T4-HJ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 01:28:06 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=42617 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1N1Ch0-0006Sp-4z for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 01:28:02 -0400 Received: from paul-mcgann-v0.ics.uci.edu ([128.195.1.147]:59312) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1N1Cgz-0000YN-Mp for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 23 Oct 2009 01:28:02 -0400 Received: from godzilla.ics.uci.edu (godzilla.ics.uci.edu [128.195.10.101]) by paul-mcgann-v0.ics.uci.edu (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id n9N5QK78005746 for ; Thu, 22 Oct 2009 22:26:20 -0700 Received: (from dann@localhost) by godzilla.ics.uci.edu (8.13.8+Sun/8.13.6/Submit) id n9N5QKMP024959; Thu, 22 Oct 2009 22:26:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 22:26:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <200910230526.n9N5QKMP024959@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> From: Dan Nicolaescu To: bug-gnu-emacs Subject: leim-list.el needs to be included in the dumped images X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes Lines: 9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-ICS-MailScanner-Information: Please send mail to helpdesk@ics.uci.edu or more information X-ICS-MailScanner-ID: n9N5QK78005746 X-ICS-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ICS-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-1.44, required 5, autolearn=disabled, ALL_TRUSTED -1.44) X-ICS-MailScanner-From: dann@godzilla.ics.uci.edu X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) leim-list.el is loaded at run time even in batch mode, it's a waste to run that code all the time, it should be included in the dumped image. Also see: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.emacs.devel/116284 To not waste space, register-input-method needs to be changed to purecopy all it's string arguments. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jan 27 18:15:03 2010 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Jan 2010 23:15:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NaH6E-0002Bg-Fa for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:15:02 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NaH6D-0002BL-2V for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:15:01 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NaH69-0000Wv-8u; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:14:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19296.51441.209320.592328@fencepost.gnu.org> Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:14:57 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: control Subject: control X-Attribution: GM X-Mailer: VM (www.wonderworks.com/vm), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs) X-Hue: green X-Ran: zo'*iB'qaD@E7lvk:%ud#li0vS`>9n1#8k6lXA9o%H<]pe)MoMi?tf2?x{Mj'@:O'2741; X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Spam-Score: -4.9 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.9 (----) reassign 4814 emacs,w32 tags 4816 patch moreinfo merge 4789 4881 severity 4789 minor severity 4882 minor From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jul 13 10:25:58 2011 Received: (at 4789) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jul 2011 14:25:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qh0Nu-0003h7-T9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 10:25:58 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qh0Np-0003gm-0g for 4789@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 10:25:53 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qh0NZ-0001fe-Iu; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 16:25:33 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: Dan Nicolaescu Subject: Re: use bootstrap-emacs to build emacs/leim directory, load emacs/leim/leim-list.el to loadup.el In-Reply-To: <200911061649.nA6GnhUq027369@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> (Dan Nicolaescu's message of "Fri, 6 Nov 2009 08:49:43 -0800 (PST)") Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 16:25:14 +0200 Message-ID: References: <200911061649.nA6GnhUq027369@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Now-Playing: Talking Heads's _Fear Of Music_: "Electric Guitar" X-Hashcash: 1:23:110713:dann@ics.uci.edu::MBatZIsqz4HrPv/d:01mYP X-Hashcash: 1:23:110713:4789@debbugs.gnu.org::u5kM7CdPeedzX3hU:00000000000000000000000000000000000000000KroY MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1Qh0NZ-0001fe-Iu X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1311171933.71922@gcnzAMkUydgSO+0+QzVUFw X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 4789 Cc: 4789@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) Dan Nicolaescu writes: > emacs/leim/leim-list.el is big and it gets loaded every time emacs is > started, even in batch mode. It would be more efficient to put it in > the dumped image, it will be stored in read-only memory that way. If I do strace emacs -Q 2>&1 | grep leim I get nothing. It doesn't seem to load that file in Emacs 24, so I'm closing this bug. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jul 13 10:25:37 2011 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jul 2011 14:25:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qh0Nd-0003gZ-Ex for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 10:25:37 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qh0Nc-0003gO-N7 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 10:25:37 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qh0NR-0001el-Jl for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 16:25:25 +0200 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 16:25:25 +0200 Message-Id: To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #4789 X-MailScanner-ID: 1Qh0NR-0001el-Jl X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1311171925.88112@EtkCMmtDWO4W1e+vcPwDDQ X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) tags 4789 unreproducible close 4789 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jul 13 13:00:41 2011 Received: (at 4789) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jul 2011 17:00:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qh2nh-0005oy-Ji for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 13:00:41 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qh2nf-0005gh-Q6 for 4789@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 13:00:40 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48485) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qh2nX-0007C8-DB; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 13:00:31 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#4789: use bootstrap-emacs to build emacs/leim directory, load emacs/leim/leim-list.el to loadup.el References: <200911061649.nA6GnhUq027369@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> X-Spook: Hamas CESID Serbian warfare militia Waco, Texas Manfurov X-Ran: iC#@".iP|,NWyvXf6>;+&9`yd_:N,su'dD#'v7}F,ls/7Y#AJ3+k!4h(sugBX9pEs$ X-Hue: blue X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 13:00:30 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Wed, 13 Jul 2011 16:25:14 +0200") Message-ID: <55y6026rpt.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 4789 Cc: Dan Nicolaescu , 4789@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote: > strace emacs -Q 2>&1 | grep leim > > I get nothing. I get loads of matches, and I don't think anything has changed in this area, so I'll reopen this. From unknown Tue Jun 17 01:35:30 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: Did not alter fixed versions and reopened. Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 17:04:01 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # Did not alter fixed versions and reopened. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jul 13 13:03:53 2011 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jul 2011 17:03:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qh2qm-0005xw-04 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 13:03:52 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qh2qk-0005xk-H6 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 13:03:50 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qh2qe-0007M3-Vf for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 13:03:45 -0400 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 13:03:44 -0400 Message-Id: Subject: control message for bug 4789 To: X-Mailer: mail (GNU Mailutils 2.1) From: Glenn Morris X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) reopen 4789 tag 4789 - unreproducible From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jul 16 15:50:50 2011 Received: (at 4789) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Jul 2011 19:50:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QiAt0-0006Fb-Fk for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 15:50:50 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QiAsy-0006FQ-RN for 4789@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 15:50:49 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QiAsm-0004Cx-Kl; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 21:50:36 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: Glenn Morris Subject: Re: bug#4789: use bootstrap-emacs to build emacs/leim directory, load emacs/leim/leim-list.el to loadup.el In-Reply-To: <55y6026rpt.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (Glenn Morris's message of "Wed, 13 Jul 2011 13:00:30 -0400") Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 21:50:32 +0200 Message-ID: References: <200911061649.nA6GnhUq027369@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> <55y6026rpt.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Now-Playing: Laurie Freelove's _Heaven On Earth_: "Dear Prudence (Live)" X-Hashcash: 1:23:110716:rgm@gnu.org::6zsXuPzsRH+W1+J6:0000002Ymn X-Hashcash: 1:23:110716:dann@ics.uci.edu::gM8+fe8ZEmQLEr6V:0a2+b X-Hashcash: 1:23:110716:4789@debbugs.gnu.org::GQ66nlJFqax10ILL:00000000000000000000000000000000000000000cF7c MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1QiAsm-0004Cx-Kl X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1311450636.70649@8Ps405HTuOAMvBeRdCDK1Q X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 4789 Cc: Dan Nicolaescu , 4789@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) Glenn Morris writes: > Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote: > >> strace emacs -Q 2>&1 | grep leim >> >> I get nothing. > > I get loads of matches, and I don't think anything has changed in this > area, so I'll reopen this. Do you know why your Emacs loads leim? Is there a build option or something? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jul 16 19:38:03 2011 Received: (at 4789) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Jul 2011 23:38:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QiEQt-0006Sr-5B for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 19:38:03 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QiEQr-0006SO-IO for 4789@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 19:38:02 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38457) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QiEQk-00079y-NU; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 19:37:54 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#4789: use bootstrap-emacs to build emacs/leim directory, load emacs/leim/leim-list.el to loadup.el References: <200911061649.nA6GnhUq027369@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> <55y6026rpt.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-Spook: Medco monarchist industrial espionage Ft. Bragg Kennedy X-Ran: ~p&HTN>@[KgeL09Gn]S_s1rM(&|5R\"%{iJ'0K};glc~iZ7uSs3@RBp X-Hue: yellow X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 19:37:54 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sat, 16 Jul 2011 21:50:32 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 4789 Cc: Dan Nicolaescu , 4789@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote: > Do you know why your Emacs loads leim? Is there a build option or > something? Nope. Do you know why yours doesn't? :) It's part of normal-top-level in startup.el. (It's not the kind of thing that should be changed for Emacs 24.1 at this stage.) http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2009-10/msg00502.html points out that there still has to be _some_ search at startup, for people with their own input methods, and suggests just not searching certain "obviously wrong" load-path dirs (lisp/progmodes, etc). That does not preclude dumping the standard leim/leim-list.el though. Oh, I thought this seemed familiar: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=910 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jul 16 19:38:39 2011 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Jul 2011 23:38:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QiERT-0006Tf-GA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 19:38:39 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QiERS-0006TS-HK for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 19:38:38 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QiERN-0007Cx-AD for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 19:38:33 -0400 Date: Sat, 16 Jul 2011 19:38:33 -0400 Message-Id: Subject: control message for bug 4789 To: X-Mailer: mail (GNU Mailutils 2.1) From: Glenn Morris X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) forcemerge 910 4789 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jul 16 20:59:56 2011 Received: (at 4789) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Jul 2011 00:59:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QiFi8-0000md-GP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 20:59:56 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QiFi6-0000mQ-DN for 4789@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 16 Jul 2011 20:59:54 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QiFht-0007dZ-Ic; Sun, 17 Jul 2011 02:59:41 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: Glenn Morris Subject: Re: bug#4789: use bootstrap-emacs to build emacs/leim directory, load emacs/leim/leim-list.el to loadup.el In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Sat, 16 Jul 2011 19:37:54 -0400") Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 02:59:38 +0200 Message-ID: References: <200911061649.nA6GnhUq027369@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> <55y6026rpt.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAAElBMVEX+04X9wHqmYD/8tXXi j1v4qG15Syr+AAACVUlEQVQ4jUWTwZrbIAyE5W/buynNfcPie1jC3SbivjHo/V+lI9lJnUs+fqQZ DUCRK4dYuYtIT8n1nFPOUiicX85dsOidz/drLkKM3VqVHPZlJeV+LV2o6vZHdvPknAKHDRltaXDg +kiO8Msn8AqkQroZ8AfwuRStCDWcFb4UAN+7oBdVFXk4fLN26P7eRHaAGEIMmwdICiCAIVSDUbBv 1jpbhZo6NEIcG6bw3YAaOOxWAz4VlRSbMVsFpmatKKJxHSUKhHnhTceSXsNixMQVjCc8IcUiizbT dIUa1zhWVGAyAx2gmN0mYyVE6IrwCbQishwAGZ5A08qEZeGVaJ7IS1sseR2SZDCfwEn7kuzVulbs yORG+k0iS06TpiOZcNJptuV5Ku0L/6fJANScgY918qIARlQc2e6RP1f6vTkvV9tzgvodyrISjxc4 WiEiGMLHe8j9OmurSe02Hvnp0kaM/PNRYSDsoca68idAKNeLStiAEfcKF2usaBU4NtNGXgQIi+jA eshX6M1Iszt6cOObqjOuBeKfjku70YJX8AnwKzQXCbNOEeFJojYaMgRhUaczOQB5OtKjnHUnd7NK PsJl8iS4r5bDAWaA7W+Inn4m9fYGRD44B390m5D7AWydPk7wc1HTCp4nsFaNfu7c7ED40IbdEP/M Cz1x5k4J2zE6nQMeFlr4rKA3GIhroZ1ry29gk/cVU9Id71xurwJv4D4DpBC5pfk/+FhyZo7UvxW8 KrICfUEDkSC0/m5FdFn0CQLggTR5qTu8dgVl0GgDj+WtjqCFscT/AFosulXAAbfjAAAAAElFTkSu QmCC X-Now-Playing: Tuxedomoon's _Half-Mute-Scream With A View_: "Tritone (Musica Diablo)" X-Hashcash: 1:23:110717:4789@debbugs.gnu.org::HvvE+NY7wsedNV/g:000000000000000000000000000000000000000002bRt X-Hashcash: 1:23:110717:dann@ics.uci.edu::0CygcQUiiVEfJpQk:09Ft3 X-Hashcash: 1:23:110717:rgm@gnu.org::ZqkJSDXvCX+H0jTc:000000qwY9 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1QiFht-0007dZ-Ic X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1311469182.55478@ZjCUP/VbTy0XjSwSg3qmJg X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 4789 Cc: Dan Nicolaescu , 4789@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) Glenn Morris writes: > Nope. Do you know why yours doesn't? :) I don't even know what leim is. :-) > It's part of normal-top-level in startup.el. > (It's not the kind of thing that should be changed for Emacs 24.1 at > this stage.) > > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2009-10/msg00502.html > > points out that there still has to be _some_ search at startup, for > people with their own input methods, and suggests just not searching > certain "obviously wrong" load-path dirs (lisp/progmodes, etc). That > does not preclude dumping the standard leim/leim-list.el though. Right. Was there any consensus that dumping with leim-list would be a good idea? I read the thread, and I didn't really see any conclusions. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jul 17 03:26:53 2011 Received: (at 4789) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Jul 2011 07:26:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QiLkb-0001H1-Kl for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 17 Jul 2011 03:26:53 -0400 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.9]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QiLkY-0001Gn-44 for 4789@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 17 Jul 2011 03:26:51 -0400 Received: from frontend1.mail.m-online.net (unknown [192.168.8.180]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 571271C01BD5; Sun, 17 Jul 2011 09:26:44 +0200 (CEST) X-Auth-Info: GjtFramGrZKYYpE0HrmRtcIEWeQ43We+o6YOEelXg2Q= Received: from linux.local (ppp-88-217-121-142.dynamic.mnet-online.de [88.217.121.142]) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 1F0001C00154; Sun, 17 Jul 2011 09:26:44 +0200 (CEST) Received: by linux.local (Postfix, from userid 501) id 49DBA1E52EC; Sun, 17 Jul 2011 09:26:43 +0200 (CEST) From: Andreas Schwab To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#4789: use bootstrap-emacs to build emacs/leim directory, load emacs/leim/leim-list.el to loadup.el References: <200911061649.nA6GnhUq027369@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> <55y6026rpt.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-Yow: We just joined the civil hair patrol! Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2011 09:26:43 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sun, 17 Jul 2011 02:59:38 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 4789 Cc: Glenn Morris , Dan Nicolaescu , 4789@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: > I don't even know what leim is. :-) leim/README Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 58CA 54C7 6D53 942B 1756 01D3 44D5 214B 8276 4ED5 "And now for something completely different." From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jul 17 19:10:36 2011 Received: (at 4789) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Jul 2011 23:10:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QiaTs-0000HB-Eb for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 17 Jul 2011 19:10:36 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QiaTY-0000Ge-Ry for 4789@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 17 Jul 2011 19:10:34 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34093) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QiaTS-0006Mu-72; Sun, 17 Jul 2011 19:10:10 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#4789: use bootstrap-emacs to build emacs/leim directory, load emacs/leim/leim-list.el to loadup.el References: <200911061649.nA6GnhUq027369@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> <55y6026rpt.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-Spook: assassination blackjack Hamas 64 Vauxhall Cross SWAT Ron X-Ran: R/4*}Pnsi:1s-1ekF@+25tE$vldlz2!xx!a.s{lI=kwsVT%}e"1@3? User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 4789 Cc: Dan Nicolaescu , 4789@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote: > Right. Was there any consensus that dumping with leim-list would be a > good idea? I read the thread, and I didn't really see any conclusions. Don't know. FWIW, I think leim/leim-list should be dumped (and therefore would need to be built with bootstrap-emacs), and normal-top-level should ignore those elements of load-path that are part of Emacs and so won't contain a leim-list. I doubt it will have much of a measurable effect though, so it's not a high priority to change it. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jul 18 02:01:09 2011 Received: (at 4789) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Jul 2011 06:01:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QigtB-0000xz-3z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Jul 2011 02:01:09 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qigt9-0000xo-Ju for 4789@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Jul 2011 02:01:08 -0400 Received: from dann by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Qigt3-0007d9-1n; Mon, 18 Jul 2011 02:01:01 -0400 From: Dan Nicolaescu To: Glenn Morris Subject: Re: bug#4789: use bootstrap-emacs to build emacs/leim directory, load emacs/leim/leim-list.el to loadup.el References: <200911061649.nA6GnhUq027369@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> <55y6026rpt.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <79pql88pwu.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2011 02:01:01 -0400 In-Reply-To: <79pql88pwu.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (Glenn Morris's message of "Sun, 17 Jul 2011 19:10:09 -0400") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -6.5 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 4789 Cc: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen , 4789@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.5 (------) Glenn Morris writes: > Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote: > >> Right. Was there any consensus that dumping with leim-list would be a >> good idea? I read the thread, and I didn't really see any conclusions. > > Don't know. FWIW, I think leim/leim-list should be dumped (and therefore > would need to be built with bootstrap-emacs), and normal-top-level Or just check in the generated leim-list.el, it almost never changes. We do something similar with ldefs-boot.el... From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Apr 09 03:21:08 2012 Received: (at 4789) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Apr 2012 07:21:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46052 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SH8uS-00061s-KB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 03:21:08 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:33238) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SH8uP-00061l-Vo for 4789@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 03:21:07 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SH8tW-0005rQ-T1; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 03:20:10 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: 4789@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#4789: use bootstrap-emacs to build emacs/leim directory, load emacs/leim/leim-list.el to loadup.el References: <200911061649.nA6GnhUq027369@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> <55y6026rpt.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <79pql88pwu.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-Spook: NASA SEAL Team 6 United Nations Abbas basement Ron Brown X-Ran: %TZXvFCUZnK0[G?_DcJu> (Glenn Morris's message of "Sun, 17 Jul 2011 19:10:09 -0400") Message-ID: <7iobr1s76d.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 4789 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.7 (-----) Glenn Morris wrote: > FWIW, I think leim/leim-list should be dumped (and therefore would > need to be built with bootstrap-emacs), and normal-top-level should > ignore those elements of load-path that are part of Emacs and so won't > contain a leim-list. The normal-top-level part is now implemented in the trunk. On GNU/Linux, leim-list.el is now generated with bootstrap-emacs (see 2012-04-09 change to src/Makefile.in). If Someone (TM) will kindly implement the same thing for MS Windows, we will be able to load leim-list.el in loadup.el and close this (triplicate) report. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Apr 09 03:52:27 2012 Received: (at 4789) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Apr 2012 07:52:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46113 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SH9Ol-0006mo-9G for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 03:52:27 -0400 Received: from mtaout21.012.net.il ([80.179.55.169]:54730) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SH9Oj-0006mg-RO for 4789@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 03:52:26 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout21.012.net.il by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0M2700100CDW6M00@a-mtaout21.012.net.il> for 4789@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 10:51:29 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.229.57.204]) by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0M27000KXCHPY8B0@a-mtaout21.012.net.il>; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 10:51:27 +0300 (IDT) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 10:49:31 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#4789: use bootstrap-emacs to build emacs/leim directory, load emacs/leim/leim-list.el to loadup.el In-reply-to: <7iobr1s76d.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Glenn Morris Message-id: <83iph98hv8.fsf@gnu.org> References: <200911061649.nA6GnhUq027369@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> <55y6026rpt.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <79pql88pwu.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <7iobr1s76d.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 4789 Cc: 4789@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) > From: Glenn Morris > Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 03:20:10 -0400 > > On GNU/Linux, leim-list.el is now generated with bootstrap-emacs > (see 2012-04-09 change to src/Makefile.in). Is there any special reason to do that with bootstrap-emacs and not with a "normal" emacs? I'm asking because there's no bootstrap-emacs on Windows. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Apr 09 04:00:40 2012 Received: (at 4789) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Apr 2012 08:00:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46137 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SH9Wi-0006zJ-G2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 04:00:40 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:33978) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SH9Wf-0006zB-H2 for 4789@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 04:00:38 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SH9Vm-0002T6-AJ; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 03:59:42 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#4789: use bootstrap-emacs to build emacs/leim directory, load emacs/leim/leim-list.el to loadup.el References: <200911061649.nA6GnhUq027369@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> <55y6026rpt.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <79pql88pwu.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <7iobr1s76d.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83iph98hv8.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spook: New World Order MILSATCOM Ft. Meade sniper Attorney X-Ran: z)'s-S?<2kLW+e,PIW*&FCtTN]Cy)5S<>M?]-K_)?*{0c:*4Jn5NNCw<4yI6OC'"99>n`y X-Hue: red X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 03:59:42 -0400 In-Reply-To: <83iph98hv8.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 09 Apr 2012 10:49:31 +0300") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 4789 Cc: 4789@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) Eli Zaretskii wrote: > Is there any special reason to do that with bootstrap-emacs and not > with a "normal" emacs? So that leim-list can be included in the dumped emacs executable. > I'm asking because there's no bootstrap-emacs on Windows. Oh. Then I guess I mean whatever executable is used to compile the lisp files from loadup.el on MS Windows. Basically, I want to load leim-list.el in loadup.el, so it needs to be generated before loadup.el is read. Similar to loaddefs.el and ldefs-boot.el, except with no leim-boot.el being needed (I guess; I see I haven't thought this bit through!). From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Apr 09 04:34:07 2012 Received: (at 4789) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Apr 2012 08:34:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46176 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SHA35-0007ml-98 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 04:34:07 -0400 Received: from mtaout23.012.net.il ([80.179.55.175]:53549) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SHA33-0007md-I8 for 4789@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 04:34:06 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout23.012.net.il by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0M2700L00EAL7400@a-mtaout23.012.net.il> for 4789@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 11:33:09 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.229.57.204]) by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0M2700L1DEF83360@a-mtaout23.012.net.il>; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 11:33:09 +0300 (IDT) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 11:31:14 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#4789: use bootstrap-emacs to build emacs/leim directory, load emacs/leim/leim-list.el to loadup.el In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Glenn Morris Message-id: <83ehrx8fxp.fsf@gnu.org> References: <200911061649.nA6GnhUq027369@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> <55y6026rpt.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <79pql88pwu.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <7iobr1s76d.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83iph98hv8.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 4789 Cc: 4789@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) > From: Glenn Morris > Cc: 4789@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 03:59:42 -0400 > > Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > Is there any special reason to do that with bootstrap-emacs and not > > with a "normal" emacs? > > So that leim-list can be included in the dumped emacs executable. But you need to do this again whenever Emacs is rebuilt, not just at bootstrap time. Right? Are you relying on the fact that on Posix hosts bootstrap-emacs and emacs are (currently) the same executable, and that bootstrap-emacs is generated even when no bootstrap is necessary, like when building a released tarball? > > I'm asking because there's no bootstrap-emacs on Windows. > > Oh. Then I guess I mean whatever executable is used to compile the lisp > files from loadup.el on MS Windows. So you just need _any_ emacs executable capable of code that generates leim-list.el, is that right? > Basically, I want to load leim-list.el in loadup.el, so it needs to be > generated before loadup.el is read. Similar to loaddefs.el and > ldefs-boot.el, except with no leim-boot.el being needed (I guess; I see > I haven't thought this bit through!). Well, the actual intent of my question was to see if we need to discuss the design of this some more ;-) Thanks. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Apr 09 12:35:09 2012 Received: (at 4789) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Apr 2012 16:35:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47027 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SHHYa-0004iB-QQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 12:35:09 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:43554) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SHHYZ-0004i5-GT for 4789@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 12:35:08 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SHHXe-00011Y-4K; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 12:34:10 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#4789: use bootstrap-emacs to build emacs/leim directory, load emacs/leim/leim-list.el to loadup.el References: <200911061649.nA6GnhUq027369@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> <55y6026rpt.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <79pql88pwu.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <7iobr1s76d.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83iph98hv8.fsf@gnu.org> <83ehrx8fxp.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spook: United Nations Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Crypto AG spies BCCI X-Ran: 8LrLjylBb}o;__y}=af<~fs!z1Z`Ia0V,]GC/34Y3y6'{$JYrH1`uC(:f(o]wx;wjH,;|. X-Hue: red X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 12:34:10 -0400 In-Reply-To: <83ehrx8fxp.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 09 Apr 2012 11:31:14 +0300") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 4789 Cc: 4789@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) Eli Zaretskii wrote: > But you need to do this again whenever Emacs is rebuilt, not just at > bootstrap time. Right? Are you relying on the fact that on Posix > hosts bootstrap-emacs and emacs are (currently) the same executable, > and that bootstrap-emacs is generated even when no bootstrap is > necessary, like when building a released tarball? Indeed I need to think about this more... My initial thought is that it should be treated like loaddefs.el (and finder-inf.el, cus-load.el, etc). All these are pre-built in the release tarfile, so maybe leim-list.el should be too. Now that I think about it, it's suprising that it isn't already. > So you just need _any_ emacs executable capable of code that generates > leim-list.el, is that right? Right. But when bootstrapping on MS Windows, there must still be two versions of the emacs binary, right? One that is called early on and loads uncompiled Lisp files (whether or not it is called "bootstrap-emacs"), and is used to generate the compiled Lisp files that are loaded by the final, "proper" Emacs? If so, I mean the first one. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Apr 09 13:12:46 2012 Received: (at 4789) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Apr 2012 17:12:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47072 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SHI90-0005cp-3Y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 13:12:46 -0400 Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:61663) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SHI8x-0005cf-UV for 4789@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 13:12:44 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0M280090026SCY00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 4789@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 20:11:46 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.229.57.204]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0M28008TA2FKO6P2@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 20:11:45 +0300 (IDT) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 20:09:51 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#4789: use bootstrap-emacs to build emacs/leim directory, load emacs/leim/leim-list.el to loadup.el In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Glenn Morris Message-id: <83vcl87rxc.fsf@gnu.org> References: <200911061649.nA6GnhUq027369@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> <55y6026rpt.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <79pql88pwu.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <7iobr1s76d.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83iph98hv8.fsf@gnu.org> <83ehrx8fxp.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 4789 Cc: 4789@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) > From: Glenn Morris > Cc: 4789@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 12:34:10 -0400 > > Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > But you need to do this again whenever Emacs is rebuilt, not just at > > bootstrap time. Right? Are you relying on the fact that on Posix > > hosts bootstrap-emacs and emacs are (currently) the same executable, > > and that bootstrap-emacs is generated even when no bootstrap is > > necessary, like when building a released tarball? > > Indeed I need to think about this more... My initial thought is that it > should be treated like loaddefs.el (and finder-inf.el, cus-load.el, > etc). All these are pre-built in the release tarfile, so maybe > leim-list.el should be too. Now that I think about it, it's suprising > that it isn't already. Well, that goes hand in hand with the fact that the *.el files under leim/ are not byte-compiled in the tarball. Basically, a remnant from ye-old days when Leim was a separate package. I think we should compile all the *.el files under leim/ as well, but Stefan once told me something that I interpreted to mean he would rather go in the opposite direction -- let the build process compile all the *.el files under lisp/ and ship them uncompiled in the tarball. Maybe I misunderstood. > > So you just need _any_ emacs executable capable of code that generates > > leim-list.el, is that right? > > Right. But when bootstrapping on MS Windows, there must still be two > versions of the emacs binary, right? One that is called early on and > loads uncompiled Lisp files (whether or not it is called > "bootstrap-emacs"), and is used to generate the compiled Lisp files that > are loaded by the final, "proper" Emacs? Yes. > If so, I mean the first one. Yes, that part is clear. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Apr 09 13:31:44 2012 Received: (at 4789) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Apr 2012 17:31:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47089 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SHIRM-00064h-Az for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 13:31:44 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:44347) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SHIRK-00064a-PR for 4789@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 13:31:43 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SHIQP-00016n-3V; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 13:30:45 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#4789: use bootstrap-emacs to build emacs/leim directory, load emacs/leim/leim-list.el to loadup.el References: <200911061649.nA6GnhUq027369@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> <55y6026rpt.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <79pql88pwu.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <7iobr1s76d.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83iph98hv8.fsf@gnu.org> <83ehrx8fxp.fsf@gnu.org> <83vcl87rxc.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spook: North Korea munitions 9/11 IDEA spies MD5 Area 51 AVN X-Ran: F#:Y8 (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 09 Apr 2012 20:09:51 +0300") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 4789 Cc: 4789@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) Eli Zaretskii wrote: > Well, that goes hand in hand with the fact that the *.el files under > leim/ are not byte-compiled in the tarball. Basically, a remnant from > ye-old days when Leim was a separate package. I think we should > compile all the *.el files under leim/ as well, Me too. I'll look into this. > but Stefan once told me something that I interpreted to mean he would > rather go in the opposite direction -- let the build process compile > all the *.el files under lisp/ and ship them uncompiled in the > tarball. Maybe I misunderstood. I think you are referring to http://debbugs.gnu.org/2151 . From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Apr 09 13:41:29 2012 Received: (at 4789) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Apr 2012 17:41:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47105 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SHIan-0006Jh-Ax for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 13:41:29 -0400 Received: from mtaout23.012.net.il ([80.179.55.175]:50739) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SHIaj-0006JY-U7 for 4789@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 13:41:27 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout23.012.net.il by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0M2800M0036KPZ00@a-mtaout23.012.net.il> for 4789@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 20:40:07 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.229.57.204]) by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0M2800MKK3QTOPX0@a-mtaout23.012.net.il>; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 20:40:06 +0300 (IDT) Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 20:38:11 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#4789: use bootstrap-emacs to build emacs/leim directory, load emacs/leim/leim-list.el to loadup.el In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Glenn Morris Message-id: <83sjgc7qm4.fsf@gnu.org> References: <200911061649.nA6GnhUq027369@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> <55y6026rpt.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <79pql88pwu.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <7iobr1s76d.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83iph98hv8.fsf@gnu.org> <83ehrx8fxp.fsf@gnu.org> <83vcl87rxc.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 4789 Cc: 4789@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) > From: Glenn Morris > Cc: 4789@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 13:30:45 -0400 > > > but Stefan once told me something that I interpreted to mean he would > > rather go in the opposite direction -- let the build process compile > > all the *.el files under lisp/ and ship them uncompiled in the > > tarball. Maybe I misunderstood. > > I think you are referring to http://debbugs.gnu.org/2151 . Yes. More specifically, this part of http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=2151#35: OTOH, I feel like it's fundamentally wrong to provide pre-built files in our tarball. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Apr 09 21:54:02 2012 Received: (at 4789) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Apr 2012 01:54:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47586 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SHQHR-00012H-Sa for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 21:54:02 -0400 Received: from ironport-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.143.162]:28355) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SHQHQ-00012A-GJ for 4789@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 21:54:00 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApYIACxOgk9sr+pC/2dsb2JhbABDuCMDgQyBCIIJAQEEAVYjBQsLNAcLFBgNJIgcBbYyi2GEeQSkRYFdgwM X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,391,1330923600"; d="scan'208";a="173013018" Received: from 108-175-234-66.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([108.175.234.66]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 09 Apr 2012 21:53:01 -0400 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id AC2FB589AF; Mon, 9 Apr 2012 21:52:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#4789: use bootstrap-emacs to build emacs/leim directory, load emacs/leim/leim-list.el to loadup.el Message-ID: References: <200911061649.nA6GnhUq027369@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> <55y6026rpt.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <79pql88pwu.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <7iobr1s76d.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83iph98hv8.fsf@gnu.org> <83ehrx8fxp.fsf@gnu.org> <83vcl87rxc.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 21:52:59 -0400 In-Reply-To: <83vcl87rxc.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 09 Apr 2012 20:09:51 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.94 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 4789 Cc: Glenn Morris , 4789@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) > compile all the *.el files under leim/ as well, but Stefan once told > me something that I interpreted to mean he would rather go in the > opposite direction -- let the build process compile all the *.el files > under lisp/ and ship them uncompiled in the tarball. > Maybe I misunderstood. What I said/meant was that we should reduce the difference between "build from tarball" and "build from Bzr checkout". So, yes, I'd rather we don't distribute the .elc files in the tarball. But it's a low priority goal. Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Apr 10 02:35:31 2012 Received: (at 4789) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Apr 2012 06:35:31 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47962 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SHUfp-0003C9-Mm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 02:35:30 -0400 Received: from mtaout23.012.net.il ([80.179.55.175]:39538) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SHUfm-0003C1-Pg for 4789@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 02:35:27 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout23.012.net.il by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0M29001003KBD600@a-mtaout23.012.net.il> for 4789@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 09:34:25 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.229.57.204]) by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0M29001413LC9VH0@a-mtaout23.012.net.il>; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 09:34:25 +0300 (IDT) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 09:32:32 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#4789: use bootstrap-emacs to build emacs/leim directory, load emacs/leim/leim-list.el to loadup.el In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: Stefan Monnier Message-id: <83fwcc6qrj.fsf@gnu.org> References: <200911061649.nA6GnhUq027369@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> <55y6026rpt.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <79pql88pwu.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <7iobr1s76d.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83iph98hv8.fsf@gnu.org> <83ehrx8fxp.fsf@gnu.org> <83vcl87rxc.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 4789 Cc: rgm@gnu.org, 4789@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) > From: Stefan Monnier > Cc: Glenn Morris , 4789@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Mon, 09 Apr 2012 21:52:59 -0400 > > > compile all the *.el files under leim/ as well, but Stefan once told > > me something that I interpreted to mean he would rather go in the > > opposite direction -- let the build process compile all the *.el files > > under lisp/ and ship them uncompiled in the tarball. > > Maybe I misunderstood. > > What I said/meant was that we should reduce the difference between > "build from tarball" and "build from Bzr checkout". So, yes, I'd rather > we don't distribute the .elc files in the tarball. But it's a low > priority goal. Does it mean you will be against distributing Leim packages in byte-compiled form? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Apr 10 08:59:00 2012 Received: (at 4789) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Apr 2012 12:59:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48211 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SHaey-0007rU-Hr for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 08:59:00 -0400 Received: from ironport-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.143.162]:48555) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SHaex-0007rO-7F for 4789@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 08:58:59 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApYIACxOgk9sr+pC/2dsb2JhbABDuCMDgQyBCIIJAQEEAVYjEAs0BwsUGA0kiBwFtjKLYYR5BKRFgV2DAw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,391,1330923600"; d="scan'208";a="173073817" Received: from 108-175-234-66.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([108.175.234.66]) by ironport2-out.teksavvy.com with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 10 Apr 2012 08:57:57 -0400 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id CA5E2589AF; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 08:57:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#4789: use bootstrap-emacs to build emacs/leim directory, load emacs/leim/leim-list.el to loadup.el Message-ID: References: <200911061649.nA6GnhUq027369@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> <55y6026rpt.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <79pql88pwu.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <7iobr1s76d.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83iph98hv8.fsf@gnu.org> <83ehrx8fxp.fsf@gnu.org> <83vcl87rxc.fsf@gnu.org> <83fwcc6qrj.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 08:57:56 -0400 In-Reply-To: <83fwcc6qrj.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 10 Apr 2012 09:32:32 +0300") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.94 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 4789 Cc: rgm@gnu.org, 4789@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) >> > compile all the *.el files under leim/ as well, but Stefan once told >> > me something that I interpreted to mean he would rather go in the >> > opposite direction -- let the build process compile all the *.el files >> > under lisp/ and ship them uncompiled in the tarball. >> > Maybe I misunderstood. >> What I said/meant was that we should reduce the difference between >> "build from tarball" and "build from Bzr checkout". So, yes, I'd rather >> we don't distribute the .elc files in the tarball. But it's a low >> priority goal. > Does it mean you will be against distributing Leim packages in > byte-compiled form? I'm OK with it if it simplifies the code (by re-using the code used for the `lisp' directory), but otherwise I'm generally not in favor, indeed. Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Nov 25 20:08:21 2013 Received: (at 4789-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Nov 2013 01:08:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45173 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Vl78X-0008SV-3P for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 20:08:21 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:53948 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Vl78V-0008SN-6X for 4789-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 20:08:19 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vl78U-0006gY-Iw; Mon, 25 Nov 2013 20:08:18 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: 4789-done@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#4789: use bootstrap-emacs to build emacs/leim directory, load emacs/leim/leim-list.el to loadup.el References: <200911061649.nA6GnhUq027369@godzilla.ics.uci.edu> <55y6026rpt.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <79pql88pwu.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <7iobr1s76d.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83iph98hv8.fsf@gnu.org> <83ehrx8fxp.fsf@gnu.org> <83vcl87rxc.fsf@gnu.org> <83fwcc6qrj.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spook: Operation Iraqi Freedom Ft. 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