From unknown Sun Jun 22 17:09:38 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#47631 <47631@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#47631 <47631@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: Add graphical installation and solve tons of headache Reply-To: bug#47631 <47631@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2025 00:09:38 +0000 retitle 47631 Add graphical installation and solve tons of headache reassign 47631 guix submitter 47631 bo0od severity 47631 normal tag 47631 notabug thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Apr 07 01:13:30 2021 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Apr 2021 05:13:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42823 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lU0VN-0004cE-V8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2021 01:13:30 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:35278) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lU0VM-0004c7-Bm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2021 01:13:28 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:40936) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lU0VM-0005s0-75 for bug-guix@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2021 01:13:28 -0400 Received: from mx1.riseup.net ([198.252.153.129]:38448) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lU0VJ-0001mR-1p for bug-guix@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2021 01:13:27 -0400 Received: from fews1.riseup.net (fews1-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.83]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FFXbl47cgzDsgB for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2021 22:13:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1617772403; bh=sNqhQj9TKKJ3xE4/sMjR7tIeA5F6Rjqx/V0osJ8lgQw=; h=To:From:Subject:Date:From; b=C2Ceq84AsA+pjEfGxEN3y3S7Gn4a36xW+rhNWgSuZA5DSxww2FprgDne4/N1iLU2b xSpLbi3VsMn52Em7yz7tJ7bSGTvDhGPYz/0tT5/h0PN7FFIIWzPSdPDYIypLGFYRRU 4nQMGJIxZMpFjMymnb58DdhcUJbDPQFrgVlIC7zs= X-Riseup-User-ID: 2202C69BFC3A37D6BAF8BAA1F98EA85D60C51D03627828C78069C957F62AB48A Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4FFXbk4ZJkz5vS1 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2021 22:13:22 -0700 (PDT) To: bug-guix@gnu.org From: bo0od Subject: Add graphical installation and solve tons of headache Message-ID: <2b6d36dc-13b2-9b56-5f79-3ab63317a8a1@riseup.net> Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 05:13:19 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: pass client-ip=198.252.153.129; envelope-from=bo0od@riseup.net; helo=mx1.riseup.net X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) Hi There, According to my communications on IRC i see that guix doesnt want to have an offline installation, Which mean it need internet connection available at the installation process. This is fine except when user having either static-ip or using VM which doesnt give readable network interface to the distro inside it (falling into same category of static-ip). solving/giving: - Adding static IP and so as manually installing is not well documented and need knowledge and skills (very faraway to be handled by new users)check #47630 - Easiness of modifying things e.g instead of using tens of commands it will be replaced with couple of clicks and for surely less typing (compare gparted vs parted steps or network-manager vs ip commands and so on). You can checkout many distros whos giving this opportunity like nixos, trisquel/triskel, mint...etc - Give trial usage of the distro for the user before installing it ...etc And any user who doesnt want GUI he can switch to tty for commands or textual installation. (The image of the guix will be bigger for surely, But as they say the bigger the better) ThX! From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Apr 15 05:09:44 2021 Received: (at 47631) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Apr 2021 09:09:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36505 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lWy0O-0006RR-2O for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2021 05:09:44 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:41998) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lWy0M-0006RE-Ft for 47631@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2021 05:09:42 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:60202) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lWy0G-0005by-DJ; Thu, 15 Apr 2021 05:09:37 -0400 Received: from [2a01:e0a:1d:7270:af76:b9b:ca24:c465] (port=36644 helo=ribbon) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lWy0F-0000kA-2A; Thu, 15 Apr 2021 05:09:36 -0400 From: =?utf-8?Q?Ludovic_Court=C3=A8s?= To: bo0od Subject: Re: bug#47631: Add graphical installation and solve tons of headache References: <2b6d36dc-13b2-9b56-5f79-3ab63317a8a1@riseup.net> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 11:09:33 +0200 In-Reply-To: <2b6d36dc-13b2-9b56-5f79-3ab63317a8a1@riseup.net> (bo0od@riseup.net's message of "Wed, 7 Apr 2021 05:13:19 +0000") Message-ID: <875z0ndicy.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 47631 Cc: 47631@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Hi, bo0od skribis: > According to my communications on IRC i see that guix doesnt want to > have an offline installation, Which mean it need internet connection=20 > available at the installation process. More specifically, we cannot guarantee that an off-line installation would work because it depends on the software and services you=E2=80=99ll choose. > This is fine except when user having either static-ip or using VM > which doesnt give readable network interface to the distro inside it > (falling into same category of static-ip). > > solving/giving: > > - Adding static IP and so as manually installing is not well > documented and need knowledge and skills (very faraway to be handled > by new users)check #47630 Right, this one=E2=80=99s already filed. > - Easiness of modifying things e.g instead of using tens of commands > it will be replaced with couple of clicks and for surely less typing=20 > (compare gparted vs parted steps or network-manager vs ip commands and > so on). You can checkout many distros whos giving this opportunity > like nixos, trisquel/triskel, mint...etc Did you try the graphical installation? https://guix.gnu.org/en/videos/system-graphical-installer/ It=E2=80=99s key strokes rather than clicks, but I think it addresses most = of the issues you describe. > - Give trial usage of the distro for the user before installing it Did you try the live VM image? https://guix.gnu.org/en/download/ I=E2=80=99m closing because I don=E2=80=99t see anything actionable. Pleas= e file issues focused on specific problems. Thanks, Ludo=E2=80=99. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Apr 15 05:09:53 2021 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Apr 2021 09:09:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36508 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lWy0X-0006Rr-E7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2021 05:09:53 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:42038) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lWy0W-0006Rd-5k for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2021 05:09:52 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:60203) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lWy0R-0005hj-27 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2021 05:09:47 -0400 Received: from [2a01:e0a:1d:7270:af76:b9b:ca24:c465] (port=36648 helo=ribbon) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lWy0Q-0000kI-6f for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2021 05:09:46 -0400 Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 11:09:44 +0200 Message-Id: <874kg7dicn.fsf@gnu.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: =?utf-8?Q?Ludovic_Court=C3=A8s?= Subject: control message for bug #47631 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) tags 47631 notabug close 47631 quit From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Apr 15 06:00:37 2021 Received: (at 47631) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Apr 2021 10:00:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36539 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lWynd-0001Vz-3e for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2021 06:00:37 -0400 Received: from mx1.riseup.net ([198.252.153.129]:49578) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lWynZ-0001Vi-Tu for 47631@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2021 06:00:35 -0400 Received: from fews1.riseup.net (fews1-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.83]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FLZbJ1LhwzFxNt; Thu, 15 Apr 2021 03:00:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1618480828; bh=DCjpNq7rCwKs8lD3ok3pqFhb5P8Sv/CcPm5OoRYN7p8=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=A6b08GXp/Ws6+Zhb3qdOoSjPaehvF/Bnu+DLDyQeB8eH76ufexiDvSja9LNvjwPG4 XA4H1qMMzHQN2HLiZIToYu+OgFM/RMKID8udxGb4jtdQ1ezBeRFzitjbyKS3cI9R62 K1np15BpGaJPgROa0+dPbqszv+WXbdGdvwUEyiN0= X-Riseup-User-ID: 3E940D8C9FE27371575CA74B9C08EC2E0676946215161F7E597398774A2A788E Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4FLZbG4Rkdz5vkm; Thu, 15 Apr 2021 03:00:26 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: bug#47631: Add graphical installation and solve tons of headache To: =?UTF-8?Q?Ludovic_Court=c3=a8s?= References: <2b6d36dc-13b2-9b56-5f79-3ab63317a8a1@riseup.net> <875z0ndicy.fsf@gnu.org> From: bo0od Message-ID: <41cbd278-576e-f642-5a57-96b3c19241b6@riseup.net> Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 10:00:21 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <875z0ndicy.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 47631 Cc: 47631@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > Did you try the graphical installation? > > https://guix.gnu.org/en/videos/system-graphical-installer/ > > It’s key strokes rather than clicks, but I think it addresses most of > the issues you describe. Yes i do know this, But whats different between what guix is doing and others are doing (examples i gave above), They give you access to GUI of their distro without internet and from within this live GUI access to the distro you can configure the internet/partition..etc (easily specially for first time users) using GUI tools without internet (you can even test the distro without the need to install it) Thats what im requesting not what is currently happening. > Did you try the live VM image? > > https://guix.gnu.org/en/download/ What? where? > I’m closing because I don’t see anything actionable. Please file issues > focused on specific problems. Guix need to improve itself when first time initiated, Please check other projects like NixOS,Triskel,Mint,Ubuntu...etc If you dont like that live graphical gui access, then do it as debian is doing it which give you proper gui screen specifically intended to configure your internet then you can proceed with the installation. Otherwise guix is useless case specially for new users in places where internet need to be configured manually (adding IP,Gateway,Netmask... manually). Ludovic Courtès: > Hi, > > bo0od skribis: > >> According to my communications on IRC i see that guix doesnt want to >> have an offline installation, Which mean it need internet connection >> available at the installation process. > > More specifically, we cannot guarantee that an off-line installation > would work because it depends on the software and services you’ll > choose. > >> This is fine except when user having either static-ip or using VM >> which doesnt give readable network interface to the distro inside it >> (falling into same category of static-ip). >> >> solving/giving: >> >> - Adding static IP and so as manually installing is not well >> documented and need knowledge and skills (very faraway to be handled >> by new users)check #47630 > > Right, this one’s already filed. > >> - Easiness of modifying things e.g instead of using tens of commands >> it will be replaced with couple of clicks and for surely less typing >> (compare gparted vs parted steps or network-manager vs ip commands and >> so on). You can checkout many distros whos giving this opportunity >> like nixos, trisquel/triskel, mint...etc > > Did you try the graphical installation? > > https://guix.gnu.org/en/videos/system-graphical-installer/ > > It’s key strokes rather than clicks, but I think it addresses most of > the issues you describe. > >> - Give trial usage of the distro for the user before installing it > > Did you try the live VM image? > > https://guix.gnu.org/en/download/ > > I’m closing because I don’t see anything actionable. Please file issues > focused on specific problems. > > Thanks, > Ludo’. > From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Apr 15 10:30:53 2021 Received: (at 47631) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Apr 2021 14:30:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38837 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lX31B-0002mn-36 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2021 10:30:53 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:51088) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lX319-0002mY-4V for 47631@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2021 10:30:52 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:37422) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lX313-0004Q2-Nm; Thu, 15 Apr 2021 10:30:45 -0400 Received: from [2a01:e0a:1d:7270:af76:b9b:ca24:c465] (port=37674 helo=ribbon) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lX312-0005I2-Vo; Thu, 15 Apr 2021 10:30:45 -0400 From: =?utf-8?Q?Ludovic_Court=C3=A8s?= To: bo0od Subject: Re: bug#47631: Add graphical installation and solve tons of headache References: <2b6d36dc-13b2-9b56-5f79-3ab63317a8a1@riseup.net> <875z0ndicy.fsf@gnu.org> <41cbd278-576e-f642-5a57-96b3c19241b6@riseup.net> X-URL: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ X-Revolutionary-Date: 26 Germinal an 229 de la =?utf-8?Q?R=C3=A9volution?= X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x090B11993D9AEBB5 X-PGP-Key: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ludovic.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3CE4 6455 8A84 FDC6 9DB4 0CFB 090B 1199 3D9A EBB5 X-OS: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2021 16:30:41 +0200 In-Reply-To: <41cbd278-576e-f642-5a57-96b3c19241b6@riseup.net> (bo0od@riseup.net's message of "Thu, 15 Apr 2021 10:00:21 +0000") Message-ID: <87k0p38vse.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 47631 Cc: 47631@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Hi, bo0od skribis: >> Did you try the graphical installation? >> >> https://guix.gnu.org/en/videos/system-graphical-installer/ >> >> It=E2=80=99s key strokes rather than clicks, but I think it addresses mo= st of >> the issues you describe. > > Yes i do know this, But whats different between what guix is doing and > others are doing (examples i gave above), They give you access to GUI > of their distro without internet and from within this live GUI access > to the distro you can configure the internet/partition..etc (easily=20 > specially for first time users) using GUI tools without internet (you > can even test the distro without the need to install it) Letting users use GUI (or non-GUI) tools by themselves doesn=E2=80=99t look appealing to me. We made the choice to provide a guided installer, similar to that of Debian and other distros, such that users don=E2=80=99t = have to figure out by themselves that they need to run gparted, follow steps, etc. > Thats what im requesting not what is currently happening. > >> Did you try the live VM image? >> >> https://guix.gnu.org/en/download/ > > What? where? Search for =E2=80=9CQEMU=E2=80=9D. >> I=E2=80=99m closing because I don=E2=80=99t see anything actionable. Pl= ease file issues >> focused on specific problems. > > Guix need to improve itself when first time initiated, Please check > other projects like NixOS,Triskel,Mint,Ubuntu...etc I contributed to NixOS long ago, and unless things have changed, it doesn=E2=80=99t have a guided installer. > If you dont like that live graphical gui access, then do it as debian > is doing it which give you proper gui screen specifically intended to=20 > configure your internet then you can proceed with the installation. So I guess your primary request is about giving access to the GUIs. That comes at a cost (the ISO is already quite big) but that=E2=80=99s some= thing we could consider. For now, our focus is on improving the guided installer itself. Thanks, Ludo=E2=80=99. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Apr 15 18:32:17 2021 Received: (at 47631) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Apr 2021 22:32:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39480 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lXAX3-0004Dg-ET for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2021 18:32:17 -0400 Received: from mail.zaclys.net ([178.33.93.72]:53301) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lXAX0-0004DS-MH for 47631@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2021 18:32:16 -0400 Received: from guix-xps.local (lsl43-1_migr-78-195-19-20.fbx.proxad.net [78.195.19.20] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by mail.zaclys.net (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id 13FMW7uo025761 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 16 Apr 2021 00:32:07 +0200 DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.zaclys.net 13FMW7uo025761 Authentication-Results: mail.zaclys.net; dmarc=fail (p=reject dis=none) header.from=zaclys.net Authentication-Results: mail.zaclys.net; spf=fail smtp.mailfrom=lle-bout@zaclys.net DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=zaclys.net; s=default; t=1618525928; bh=pIkPMak5BBseURxw41cXw5S+kbW6DnjyHPjPnPMuSxM=; h=Subject:From:To:Cc:Date:In-Reply-To:References:From; b=DgQxCYCnA4cGTxuVe5Iakw0QdKHv+r6IX1txIlbLbXeo2KANJSY87qQhbK6lLlBlr PbPKxMz7wbK7X4rOlGCkbjIm1QR6YPn/ERD53/+SJvqEZKgJqDVuk/knNdy1sjPvZs E/7zy8WYlcd0UOHb1xRIcQzLYKR8NMxqOrrWnFGQ= Message-ID: <5c4d723578eee3cbf68dea281ba1db03e4ea2a24.camel@zaclys.net> Subject: Re: bug#47631: Add graphical installation and solve tons of headache From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?L=E9o?= Le Bouter To: bo0od , Ludovic =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Court=E8s?= Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 00:31:59 +0200 In-Reply-To: <41cbd278-576e-f642-5a57-96b3c19241b6@riseup.net> References: <2b6d36dc-13b2-9b56-5f79-3ab63317a8a1@riseup.net> <875z0ndicy.fsf@gnu.org> <41cbd278-576e-f642-5a57-96b3c19241b6@riseup.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg="pgp-sha512"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-MhtqkLW27qjrfNZMU9c6" User-Agent: Evolution 3.34.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 47631 Cc: 47631@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --=-MhtqkLW27qjrfNZMU9c6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2021-04-15 at 10:00 +0000, bo0od wrote: > Guix need to improve itself when first time initiated, Please check=20 > other projects like NixOS,Triskel,Mint,Ubuntu...etc >=20 >=20 > If you dont like that live graphical gui access, then do it as debian > is=20 > doing it which give you proper gui screen specifically intended to=20 > configure your internet then you can proceed with the installation. >=20 > Otherwise guix is useless case specially for new users in places > where=20 > internet need to be configured manually (adding > IP,Gateway,Netmask...=20 > manually). GNU Guix right now is not for novice users, things progress at their own pace, based on available contributor time. Everyone realizes the steep learning curve of GNU Guix. There is many issues to solve before trying to make GNU Guix more accessible IMO. Be patient and things are only going to improve. The best way to accelerate this as you ask is to dive in and contribute, if you can, please do! --=-MhtqkLW27qjrfNZMU9c6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCgAdFiEEFIvLi9gL+xax3g6RRaix6GvNEKYFAmB4vt8ACgkQRaix6GvN EKZ4FxAAlcwynCidgtB83R2Ls8x8Hoz7XQbZKD7TyfOfS3+wUypL6g9aFzUQKWVD tgcvCTjAuguVLwRdzErNRQ3Liy84wby+ooVT6xNDiCODio4Wj2OFpyITOvwhvouJ 8g19C8EcCHF+M2KIlivxFRDcUNGWGqgOc29XG3RDiLx8mBiaAo/KC3HOdQR49ebE KRbOGkKSeMQH6EdHpabzRQTgOWVZCRFu1lt4kUcUQh37DFVTrJi9LAzqVSYWsWx5 sJQmvaY4tcTNrNnewJ6iDx6xmdSIv+UCXLsYUKuMk3E/25rP4l/IF3BPqQPgv8XY 0sqj6BNwG47vFw4DlsxXP3D6RsaH5hOont/Deu5pB7+cX7OMTFbDx8t8jCcAc9eI FG//76PCTzp5WO2P3A7odHyn7TT/bZ1Y95S9UMFCIC72++92NIn4sQ5TQwLVcBpj q5zPJc9rw6XKr4SxN4URhM7kB2+Dy4q0UVzvV6n5QwEtkAHUKl1XcWiOARj9Iw1T 7hC+eXZGlNgGSQLSY9j99FGpA0oYGjuW9xB7i+8nfzgLRHMR5WH2W2SxcqrAb2jH 8YgzZDTGjtMdcjHs5lkZGb4AQKJGcs9NlwC+FXAVCLSPVChfmRg27wBX9WZlwSYg uk2ccA4ZWFl42zE7Q8oCl4Ft5+qUigOX5zTJuFBPvq5sKeFvrf8= =UY/o -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-MhtqkLW27qjrfNZMU9c6-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Apr 15 22:20:29 2021 Received: (at 47631) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Apr 2021 02:20:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39715 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lXE5t-0001GG-2U for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2021 22:20:29 -0400 Received: from mx1.riseup.net ([198.252.153.129]:33438) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lXE5q-0001G3-Vb for 47631@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2021 22:20:27 -0400 Received: from fews2.riseup.net (fews2-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.84]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FM0Kc53C2zDv37; Thu, 15 Apr 2021 19:20:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1618539621; bh=d8bdYO3lbJiKzfUH9JYsLS46yVFTtap9ICStadll85o=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=i0erfQkVUsGDCe72q/tf7yoi9fYPjpNWs2rmelEvudptUTTWg0FuNrwaynoWGTA/u bftcFfQA1eVeHwXLvn9vbwkJbdz4y8b6wOS8tBd32/43BdBU1B53OcIFbZLgw/fizd YjpA5Y9DfUYgPn7Xi4Gm9kzWkmjvpQtoOZxoIe8k= X-Riseup-User-ID: B24D52D716B6193D1AD545749608DC1F28606EB939C57490EE334C14CEA2310E Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews2.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4FM0KZ6WHnz1yBT; Thu, 15 Apr 2021 19:20:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: bug#47631: Add graphical installation and solve tons of headache To: =?UTF-8?Q?Ludovic_Court=c3=a8s?= References: <2b6d36dc-13b2-9b56-5f79-3ab63317a8a1@riseup.net> <875z0ndicy.fsf@gnu.org> <41cbd278-576e-f642-5a57-96b3c19241b6@riseup.net> <87k0p38vse.fsf@gnu.org> From: bo0od Message-ID: <49641a6e-880a-0bbb-2794-053f348d779d@riseup.net> Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 02:19:57 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <87k0p38vse.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 47631 Cc: 47631@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > For now, our focus is on improving the guided installer itself. Ok as you wish why not, But please dont give something less than what Debian installer providing. Ludovic Courtès: > Hi, > > bo0od skribis: > >>> Did you try the graphical installation? >>> >>> https://guix.gnu.org/en/videos/system-graphical-installer/ >>> >>> It’s key strokes rather than clicks, but I think it addresses most of >>> the issues you describe. >> >> Yes i do know this, But whats different between what guix is doing and >> others are doing (examples i gave above), They give you access to GUI >> of their distro without internet and from within this live GUI access >> to the distro you can configure the internet/partition..etc (easily >> specially for first time users) using GUI tools without internet (you >> can even test the distro without the need to install it) > > Letting users use GUI (or non-GUI) tools by themselves doesn’t look > appealing to me. We made the choice to provide a guided installer, > similar to that of Debian and other distros, such that users don’t have > to figure out by themselves that they need to run gparted, follow steps, > etc. > >> Thats what im requesting not what is currently happening. >> >>> Did you try the live VM image? >>> >>> https://guix.gnu.org/en/download/ >> >> What? where? > > Search for “QEMU”. > >>> I’m closing because I don’t see anything actionable. Please file issues >>> focused on specific problems. >> >> Guix need to improve itself when first time initiated, Please check >> other projects like NixOS,Triskel,Mint,Ubuntu...etc > > I contributed to NixOS long ago, and unless things have changed, it > doesn’t have a guided installer. > >> If you dont like that live graphical gui access, then do it as debian >> is doing it which give you proper gui screen specifically intended to >> configure your internet then you can proceed with the installation. > > So I guess your primary request is about giving access to the GUIs. > That comes at a cost (the ISO is already quite big) but that’s something > we could consider. > > For now, our focus is on improving the guided installer itself. > > Thanks, > Ludo’. > From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Apr 15 23:13:22 2021 Received: (at 47631) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Apr 2021 03:13:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39745 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lXEv4-0002Vf-87 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2021 23:13:22 -0400 Received: from mx1.riseup.net ([198.252.153.129]:60856) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lXEv2-0002VS-E4 for 47631@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Apr 2021 23:13:21 -0400 Received: from fews1.riseup.net (fews1-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.83]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FM1Vy6HwdzDqMf; Thu, 15 Apr 2021 20:13:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1618542794; bh=dD6FkNcs/g1tFVUD9x/QRPh7Xcx0+WAbIC5nOYKmO3g=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=sotHFWZWDLL3qZVLXAMKbkkYnmuphhlc8TXgXQQnwTnv2CwGP5I27zVzrEBN1gPN5 O38hl/ETnXJde4MDcC1PjiW2Rt6TiBHU8Y4guZPiUKeT9uzdadMpdBjxNwja8Z/2ft Zr6jCfhnBjvvbZKUxsRPjMvudma676UmwII2EXYo= X-Riseup-User-ID: 2DB4D710C778FBE0C49B84596B845BFF5B3A41ADA6F56C45382E4329E9C9262C Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4FM1Vw67bWz5vS1; Thu, 15 Apr 2021 20:13:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: bug#47631: Add graphical installation and solve tons of headache To: =?UTF-8?Q?L=c3=a9o_Le_Bouter?= , =?UTF-8?Q?Ludovic_Court=c3=a8s?= References: <2b6d36dc-13b2-9b56-5f79-3ab63317a8a1@riseup.net> <875z0ndicy.fsf@gnu.org> <41cbd278-576e-f642-5a57-96b3c19241b6@riseup.net> <5c4d723578eee3cbf68dea281ba1db03e4ea2a24.camel@zaclys.net> From: bo0od Message-ID: Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2021 03:13:08 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5c4d723578eee3cbf68dea281ba1db03e4ea2a24.camel@zaclys.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 47631 Cc: 47631@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > GNU Guix right now is not for novice users Yeah i can see that clearly. > The best way to accelerate this as you ask is to > dive in and contribute, if you can, please do! Sure i will try, Thanks alot Léo Le Bouter: > On Thu, 2021-04-15 at 10:00 +0000, bo0od wrote: >> Guix need to improve itself when first time initiated, Please check >> other projects like NixOS,Triskel,Mint,Ubuntu...etc >> >> >> If you dont like that live graphical gui access, then do it as debian >> is >> doing it which give you proper gui screen specifically intended to >> configure your internet then you can proceed with the installation. >> >> Otherwise guix is useless case specially for new users in places >> where >> internet need to be configured manually (adding >> IP,Gateway,Netmask... >> manually). > > GNU Guix right now is not for novice users, things progress at their > own pace, based on available contributor time. Everyone realizes the > steep learning curve of GNU Guix. There is many issues to solve before > trying to make GNU Guix more accessible IMO. Be patient and things are > only going to improve. 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