From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Apr 07 00:55:37 2021 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Apr 2021 04:55:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42810 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lU0E4-000422-V5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2021 00:55:37 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:56286) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lU0E3-00041u-EN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2021 00:55:36 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:37816) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lU0E0-0001DL-Dg for bug-guix@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2021 00:55:33 -0400 Received: from mx1.riseup.net ([198.252.153.129]:44058) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lU0Dy-0007bO-BU for bug-guix@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Apr 2021 00:55:32 -0400 Received: from fews1.riseup.net (fews1-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.83]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4FFXC502rMzDq7w for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2021 21:55:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1617771329; bh=bwHjXROZkOIJ5eoVeku4ixtRcWizZcorZ4iuxgVYzU4=; h=To:From:Subject:Date:From; b=Ma41TJZ0ojL+S/JZyukngF+sCYYriMXcAetr3KaiwAg6r6MGD5TMKR7b36Mns5o+t kyWOOmBGywdFkU/XWd25T8F2rx/uDptuy+WpaU5RVohQ+bgqwSeoWUEoJ/NWGkRY2P NhYyOOFf+yMFGJGGglOyu8xQPeiTwBt4sJkl3sXI= X-Riseup-User-ID: 09608AC343F1508D45FD30B048D77236F7350174A47710C193DAEC0C5812EE1A Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4FFXC41bcSz5vhF for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2021 21:55:27 -0700 (PDT) To: bug-guix@gnu.org From: bo0od Subject: Improve guix manual installation docs Message-ID: <2b1e7af8-40bc-1603-3cdf-e40dcaff9f98@riseup.net> Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2021 04:55:25 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: pass client-ip=198.252.153.129; envelope-from=bo0od@riseup.net; helo=mx1.riseup.net X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) Hi There, Checking here: https://guix.gnu.org/manual/en/html_node/Manual-Installation.html This section actually misses alot of commands and its not nice to give only hint commands and leave step by step explanation e.g: https://guix.gnu.org/manual/en/html_node/Keyboard-Layout-and-Networking-and-Partitioning.html "parted /dev/sda set 1 esp on" This command wont work without labeling the partition "parted /dev/sda -- mklabel gpt" and so on.. This mean user cant copy and paste he need to figure out the errors while hes follow the documentation because it doesn't give to the user the full picture. I suggest to take a look at NixOS docs which goes step by step without jumping any necessary one: https://nixos.org/manual/nixos/stable/index.html#sec-installation-partitioning (Unclear documentation causes unsolvable or ambiguous questions from users and its troublesome to the support team to re-add the missing parts of the docs in their support.(Assuming they figured out where is the issue user is falling in.)) ThX! From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jun 08 13:48:59 2021 Received: (at 47630) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Jun 2021 17:49:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59743 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lqfqR-0001nS-Kq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Jun 2021 13:48:59 -0400 Received: from wout2-smtp.messagingengine.com ([64.147.123.25]:57403) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lqfqL-0001nD-RP for 47630@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 08 Jun 2021 13:48:54 -0400 Received: from compute3.internal (compute3.nyi.internal [10.202.2.43]) by mailout.west.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 12D8B19F7; Tue, 8 Jun 2021 13:48:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute3.internal (MEProxy); Tue, 08 Jun 2021 13:48:44 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ericcbrown.com; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :mime-version:content-type; s=fm2; bh=YN+lpBp0BJ1g7idlzoJ+kZDnwO x10dLQwqkUVISjBUs=; b=sP297JF1pEcwEOhVmKmW1nYOkCvcO5Yqz1Re0KKEcH hKeIVPvDt094NdXPNXHetox+Niqtvc4CIUkcEPkJbq1vsEx+gnliWRphQqEWSjSC DOdY3Z90DfiimSSfImDcA9b+xu8iiL2fYnYFcN2OCFVrwJ9gYd9FJoY9Zg3vbIIY GKamGDAsxqw+zjO3/YvHfUs5xiE4ySc+ddVnznZNnAWL3EkJBGTOWntM1lSRK0wR mV2oJWQQwAZeouZSblieLkdmlUARc0YcQE1lGbCNmqouYSgEwX5L7jib7ZuS9URB kfHlj4VClbNsqzkMdhvmTjdipDn9k6D6F7jIIGAKF0oQ== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-proxy :x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm3; bh=YN+lpB p0BJ1g7idlzoJ+kZDnwOx10dLQwqkUVISjBUs=; b=AlsKuzoyaePBqvxpXqu7xD ysBOlieJoov4IZAXfMgFWxqZTc41R3HHKYbGLyzD5Ez64s4Y096TdTqxrRkASfjP PwgfP/8ad5lfVMMz8qxETZuM/S0bodwPYDz7wgsrtEM2CvNq+J5tzEr8Df5WdKVi hDTD32oKcReP7DC9k6hecDBc8I+IkGykSAsi8Ub9TWxoNWaEeKfZQAKf5nMgCKuj gbZHjSVWnbw854YCBbxLQRJHjRVbA+r94NCZUuhqO3J5KCIJ3dauKBax43bkSUZ1 b7X3yYZRCYDssqrCLOcGYr8yhlKpLbwX/Yn+pq8LiagWPK7NPtw3v4jwbLnaiunA == X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeduledrfedtledguddtvdcutefuodetggdotefrod ftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfgh necuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecunecujfgurhephffvufhfffgjkfgfgggtsehttd ertddtredtnecuhfhrohhmpefgrhhitgcuuehrohifnhcuoegvtggsrhhofihnsegvrhhi tggtsghrohifnhdrtghomheqnecuggftrfgrthhtvghrnhepveefgfeugeejffdvtdeggf ektddvkeefudeltefhgefhfefgtdduvdelfeffheeunecuffhomhgrihhnpehgnhhurdho rhhgpdhnihigohhsrdhorhhgnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpe hmrghilhhfrhhomhepvggtsghrohifnhesvghrihgttggsrhhofihnrdgtohhm X-ME-Proxy: Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Tue, 8 Jun 2021 13:48:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Eric Brown To: bo0od Subject: Re: bug#47630: Improve guix manual installation docs References: <2b1e7af8-40bc-1603-3cdf-e40dcaff9f98@riseup.net> Mail-reply-to: Eric Brown Mail-followup-to: Eric Brown Date: Tue, 08 Jun 2021 12:48:42 -0500 In-Reply-To: <2b1e7af8-40bc-1603-3cdf-e40dcaff9f98@riseup.net> (bo0od@riseup.net's message of "Wed, 7 Apr 2021 04:55:25 +0000") Message-ID: <87wnr4s0w5.fsf@ericcbrown.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 47630 Cc: 47630@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) bo0od writes: > Hi There, > > Checking here: > > https://guix.gnu.org/manual/en/html_node/Manual-Installation.html > > This section actually misses alot of commands and its not nice to give > only hint commands and leave step by step explanation e.g: > > https://guix.gnu.org/manual/en/html_node/Keyboard-Layout-and-Networking-and-Partitioning.html > > "parted /dev/sda set 1 esp on" > > This command wont work without labeling the partition "parted /dev/sda > -- mklabel gpt" and so on.. > > This mean user cant copy and paste he need to figure out the errors > while hes follow the documentation because it doesn't give to the user > the full picture. > > I suggest to take a look at NixOS docs which goes step by step without > jumping any necessary one: > > https://nixos.org/manual/nixos/stable/index.html#sec-installation-partitioning > > (Unclear documentation causes unsolvable or ambiguous questions from > users and its troublesome to the support team to re-add the missing > parts of the docs in their support.(Assuming they figured out where is > the issue user is falling in.)) > > ThX! If you would have rolled your suggestions into a patch, then your support team would not have to keep re-implementing it. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jul 02 12:48:48 2021 Received: (at 47630) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Jul 2021 16:48:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37059 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lzMLP-0001aT-Tq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Jul 2021 12:48:48 -0400 Received: from mail-wm1-f52.google.com ([209.85.128.52]:43878) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lzMLL-0001Zt-Ga for 47630@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 02 Jul 2021 12:48:47 -0400 Received: by mail-wm1-f52.google.com with SMTP id q18-20020a1ce9120000b02901f259f3a250so6799679wmc.2 for <47630@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 02 Jul 2021 09:48:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version; bh=FGAx6ReVp4tY2wmlsgjBiwRmI7cnDJqTR94EGV4SXmo=; b=NOzFX77OMmT24pRN5gIuYag3a+rBH5pI1+Wx5QAhdwYb1Ximr6PZRfyJwxrVfIidOF r7mlODHu0IKJX+WQxyw1QJhATeElujBlxHOKCh10Tsx/4eZaB81FQk9v4VSVXhYQwQOQ 4owkIBqkF4/S9I1dLeCsQVEI/K5ErsjyHRiNb64gjrG+NgKWPOwY7Z5hf5NhBXN3w1SW KWHK+nDbY6I5uVpVWwpdrcUc5g5UrLyVySOnmS+EN03eEBKce8B44ljvwaZTTrkKygOM Hz8srENaE9oAvlsABZcCp+TLiruB/BIHas4KFct0yPb7npNOfNJ65iH6bmvrDmyK69CF mYPg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=FGAx6ReVp4tY2wmlsgjBiwRmI7cnDJqTR94EGV4SXmo=; b=XYjZs1glyPqzAy/nfACVO1Sw+PDIie9tATL27jw++r+idW2Y9hJWj9+Sx8BdFrQ0z7 skihUkRxOEWbV7TeIxj+0NkDdAAJmFJUxkN96pBIvYG/vttG+h57qAEe5Ll/KKF3wV56 7MB+5BaKYT/nFT4QOdnenGtEZ9iqep1fabxzf21IGa8ODK8bnb5PMOgXR9lARt0qkZHw x/XZA65b1NiaJ65eOmNyMifHC4mxOkH9CGYGxiwZ9WcRY9n9FWygPCUTpmBFJUvy/cOz ikQl5CvdfE3T5YqKT8cE3NZYZBIPRwFw25Fi/OO4+PfEHt2oYY8jqGFA/3wwgT11KJTA CTJA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531mUYUV/HFN6PSmU9nBdyzgRugo4j8feV8Gkwq1MYy+kZEmBAYI VoP9JfRjXIx4hDznxWZ/WcYcJJo99fs= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJw4kNSm7k0Z0lsejANKqfEIYPPTY7fxJNx491UgQYmCF5z2V7/B3//sSWgJcq7uafN+IzRIPQ== X-Received: by 2002:a7b:cd8d:: with SMTP id y13mr716612wmj.131.1625244517925; Fri, 02 Jul 2021 09:48:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pfiuh02 ([193.48.40.241]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c9sm3786135wro.5.2021.07.02.09.48.37 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 02 Jul 2021 09:48:37 -0700 (PDT) From: zimoun To: bo0od Subject: Re: bug#47630: Improve guix manual installation docs References: <2b1e7af8-40bc-1603-3cdf-e40dcaff9f98@riseup.net> Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2021 18:47:44 +0200 In-Reply-To: <2b1e7af8-40bc-1603-3cdf-e40dcaff9f98@riseup.net> (bo0od@riseup.net's message of "Wed, 7 Apr 2021 04:55:25 +0000") Message-ID: <87y2aoll1r.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 47630 Cc: 47630@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hi, On Wed, 07 Apr 2021 at 04:55, bo0od wrote: > Checking here: > > https://guix.gnu.org/manual/en/html_node/Manual-Installation.html > > This section actually misses alot of commands and its not nice to give only > hint commands and leave step by step explanation e.g: > > https://guix.gnu.org/manual/en/html_node/Keyboard-Layout-and-Networking-and-Partitioning.html > > "parted /dev/sda set 1 esp on" > > This command wont work without labeling the partition "parted /dev/sda -- > mklabel gpt" and so on.. > > This mean user cant copy and paste he need to figure out the errors while hes > follow the documentation because it doesn't give to the user the full picture. > > I suggest to take a look at NixOS docs which goes step by step without jumping > any necessary one: > > https://nixos.org/manual/nixos/stable/index.html#sec-installation-partitioning > > (Unclear documentation causes unsolvable or ambiguous questions from users and > its troublesome to the support team to re-add the missing parts of the docs in > their support.(Assuming they figured out where is the issue user is falling > in.)) Thanks for your report. Could you propose a concrete wording solving the issues you see? Thanks, simon From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jul 15 08:56:33 2021 Received: (at 47630) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Jul 2021 12:56:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47038 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1m40un-0006x1-Jv for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 08:56:33 -0400 Received: from mx1.riseup.net ([198.252.153.129]:34068) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1m40uj-0006wd-Nj for 47630@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 08:56:32 -0400 Received: from fews1.riseup.net (fews1-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.83]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4GQZBH69SZzDwfG; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 05:56:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1626353783; bh=fZQIn8whIsrM+uiT+TFvmZlEj/kwe+TDpV9ZyFbVFrg=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=J0BFnoz6JOCwN+5tRkmDSDZXwSEOsoyLn21Uz5ELGODK+ecbxRWt7xJrV+T5RcsUa RyfRp/+4EmcSKdfC5ZOvpOnpKPtiTF2GqmaLm/hhpMyGszUbCq9/icKUV041W7GvFa IosryLcbXHRaV+qN3SphnE1bD1yPX8EAuj6lZ8Vk= X-Riseup-User-ID: 7AAC3ADBCE06B6E3E233DA376E70F347266CF2BEC84CA33AE4EEDBEBD8F487AF Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4GQZBG3JkYz5vYk; Thu, 15 Jul 2021 05:56:22 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: bug#47630: Improve guix manual installation docs To: zimoun References: <2b1e7af8-40bc-1603-3cdf-e40dcaff9f98@riseup.net> <87y2aoll1r.fsf@gmail.com> From: bo0od Message-ID: Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2021 12:56:17 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <87y2aoll1r.fsf@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 47630 Cc: 47630@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > Could you propose a concrete wording solving > the issues you see Not really because english is not my mother tongue so there going to be errors in grammars, choosing of words..etc so better to be written by someone who has better english than me. But for the commands to go on step by step i can give that with little text and any webadmin can pick it up and arrange it accordingly. If guix documentation built on wikimedia it would be much easier because i can register and upload my changes and can be reviewed and updated, But using email for this is not the best way to achieve it but what to do.. zimoun: > Hi, > > On Wed, 07 Apr 2021 at 04:55, bo0od wrote: > >> Checking here: >> >> https://guix.gnu.org/manual/en/html_node/Manual-Installation.html >> >> This section actually misses alot of commands and its not nice to give only >> hint commands and leave step by step explanation e.g: >> >> https://guix.gnu.org/manual/en/html_node/Keyboard-Layout-and-Networking-and-Partitioning.html >> >> "parted /dev/sda set 1 esp on" >> >> This command wont work without labeling the partition "parted /dev/sda -- >> mklabel gpt" and so on.. >> >> This mean user cant copy and paste he need to figure out the errors while hes >> follow the documentation because it doesn't give to the user the full picture. >> >> I suggest to take a look at NixOS docs which goes step by step without jumping >> any necessary one: >> >> https://nixos.org/manual/nixos/stable/index.html#sec-installation-partitioning >> >> (Unclear documentation causes unsolvable or ambiguous questions from users and >> its troublesome to the support team to re-add the missing parts of the docs in >> their support.(Assuming they figured out where is the issue user is falling >> in.)) > > Thanks for your report. Could you propose a concrete wording solving > the issues you see? > > Thanks, > simon > From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Aug 17 17:46:51 2021 Received: (at 47630) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Aug 2021 21:46:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54286 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mG6v1-0003M2-W9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 17 Aug 2021 17:46:51 -0400 Received: from mail-wm1-f41.google.com ([209.85.128.41]:55046) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mG6ut-0003Kt-KI for 47630@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 17 Aug 2021 17:46:43 -0400 Received: by mail-wm1-f41.google.com with SMTP id g138so231157wmg.4 for <47630@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 17 Aug 2021 14:46:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version; bh=X9BofaSirEhgWx2y1fK+yV3phHcnnBUikVMzvuAhHy0=; b=gtibiJwCaBJZwk4JUX3qxqPzJS8N4/VlgMac/Qq2XfeVxetujmv5Cb+Hg5H6a/pPdz BReDTdvdDI/+UJD+Xa1wtG5GcfyPdErnvR13FW1ZJBjLrrUhxDXLP2GDhWz/IPfu88y5 L0X/Z4GFaG9oxi6u1U1595BJydhb5wKgdWH87LlydNM5yxc3TNyg4Np9HsU0oOHp10JJ 4CbBbSzzbWpRoK5HDZCAxv4Tluf37LpzOP0ykAckU2stnINkWSwexqSKeJQPlBDkgnaF 8dJtnyOsZ+4s4szsETR5JmrNBpZCDhT5lTLsS83ngtC+npCvorkckN1efcAdDDFA6YLI kSGA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=X9BofaSirEhgWx2y1fK+yV3phHcnnBUikVMzvuAhHy0=; b=MvxOb9mwgK+dVOmfGsP04ryHt/gCaB2Q82+SQ+Bbe+/B1J6OaDdi/vgNXFm9qM95sW 7EsKwzDQZSsa1f/HFgylwy5NNkFgbVWaraERyS7L9nbT+MWxOJHTv6C2gVb/+5gQCmgm SIq9jVLw+vENwxBI2un70EL9SpjmZ0rG/uOQ8Tno3m4w+ZkN8KCstgrwel5ONyl3xs14 t+nYodAvei1G+rjBINK7+SMWbT45BYlEbfwU1wEyTV5/1uBLegvhVsginoJ6+GHFu6Ld zDTc/Q9Gpkai606XBi8vtZLAFvw2Or9mbDiStD5PQTbPUs9UMk5VvEoYP7Nl922rzd/V 1Kog== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533MvyA9Emeohb5jfEplZbJ2mqQI+HlniIx1op8NS5ajBN1s4ht2 /qPmb1xEXKxtCbaHWkaBH2LZ0p4oyiV8jw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJx2g1QXxl12e9SAMYMq9kDf8yescBMju9agYpzZpSgQaRnBwQTobnPTUzE9kjjYPhIBDLsxPw== X-Received: by 2002:a05:600c:4145:: with SMTP id h5mr4271070wmm.7.1629236793975; Tue, 17 Aug 2021 14:46:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lili ([2a01:e0a:59b:9120:65d2:2476:f637:db1e]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id y192sm3211869wmy.1.2021.08.17.14.46.33 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 17 Aug 2021 14:46:33 -0700 (PDT) From: zimoun To: bo0od Subject: Re: bug#47630: Improve guix manual installation docs References: <2b1e7af8-40bc-1603-3cdf-e40dcaff9f98@riseup.net> <87y2aoll1r.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2021 23:28:12 +0200 In-Reply-To: (bo0od@riseup.net's message of "Thu, 15 Jul 2021 12:56:17 +0000") Message-ID: <865yw3n4lv.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 47630 Cc: 47630@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hi, On Thu, 15 Jul 2021 at 12:56, bo0od wrote: >> Could you propose a concrete wording solving >> the issues you see > > Not really because english is not my mother tongue so there going to be errors > in grammars, choosing of words..etc so better to be written by someone who has > better english than me. > > But for the commands to go on step by step i can give that with little text > and any webadmin can pick it up and arrange it accordingly. > > If guix documentation built on wikimedia it would be much easier because i can > register and upload my changes and can be reviewed and updated, But using > email for this is not the best way to achieve it but what to do.. Maybe you could provide what you find missing and where in the manual, with little text. It should be a good start for pointing what and how to improve. All the best, simon From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Sep 14 08:47:03 2021 Received: (at 47630) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Sep 2021 12:47:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47888 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mQ7q2-0007oo-Gk for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Sep 2021 08:47:02 -0400 Received: from mail-wm1-f47.google.com ([209.85.128.47]:46971) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mQ7pv-0007eJ-Pk for 47630@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Sep 2021 08:46:56 -0400 Received: by mail-wm1-f47.google.com with SMTP id d207-20020a1c1dd8000000b00307e2d1ec1aso2438878wmd.5 for <47630@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 14 Sep 2021 05:46:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version; bh=xcRQOTB6ip3SM9jy+HX7xoM/TLZRVeu12+hkfhtBstQ=; b=m41gNiUobaFASGIvTvVNYAsbdd9Hc9GdcMxk09WC42eeVIZg9vY/G13Txmc+1Jmxhw aGX0NKg5iUGssxmayFmGSLU5KimSm1gNlifiQV2a2mBmqrGkgB1bJrZxIUz3tzqEEjgY 0aeyEHQBSPD1h0rL0Q5kPCp0MNnWZqhOJU50M6v24l/jitYipEjfyPe/gsiTJ6LbpGNG dMvnhNC2QUgBYfrVcNZWk4HB96jrK4rOo90KewzcMDSo2pGGADYDedwdnqCw4AAGcXVp 5KgSfkLjAlqJAGlnzirGNnuHQch9oaAI3jrqIUfSTH0mUXjoWAeeWKoBaSahvAuZlMNG jHIA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=xcRQOTB6ip3SM9jy+HX7xoM/TLZRVeu12+hkfhtBstQ=; b=onAStSpFwoVfDDknGc4IxLJ3QvIVuRaUfDoIa9zfDrrEWQtwBbOVzxwQ59m4RGFnUz jeLZg5f5lb4OacdbE63ln/weubWHY1Lo2u7X9gM7Gvlx1If/2eN66y5SUPh+QuqAlXqR 8OrNMQGJSi0Tw1L3tAiehkfo/pS1IJjNo684R+HNqoMkCRxDW/SioCM1IDR5aHmsOSr8 lHaYec5tlP7F7k6zoL3bXHQTYZhwvpTPCzJpwu++lsHJ24o4f9L8U5wUF4pYlB4UX7nc Uw1QwoXNQ5NryyUVStBklc6BpxZRri+Sc+c3EOKnR3j6Yc/SfOsxLhEJRWPpd1u4LfeL E4cg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532iwfu1xO0EJK6Lw7maFZNNAXxbW9h6MnkghWBQGK+r1B+rnhFI j3N35cj8xTJF18mLIu9Av5oCJ5SM4qg9Hg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwuTk59X6X33jCu41yHKpEbzdYLLYt5uEnKwIwLK3tQZ/wPjR+9dP3xXS/NVoYj6R8Vk2DDwQ== X-Received: by 2002:a1c:c913:: with SMTP id f19mr2012770wmb.86.1631623610213; Tue, 14 Sep 2021 05:46:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lili (roam-nat-fw-prg-194-254-61-42.net.univ-paris-diderot.fr. [194.254.61.42]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 129sm1059545wmz.26.2021.09.14.05.46.49 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 14 Sep 2021 05:46:49 -0700 (PDT) From: zimoun To: bo0od Subject: Re: bug#47630: Improve guix manual installation docs References: <2b1e7af8-40bc-1603-3cdf-e40dcaff9f98@riseup.net> <87y2aoll1r.fsf@gmail.com> <865yw3n4lv.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2021 12:35:04 +0200 In-Reply-To: <865yw3n4lv.fsf@gmail.com> (zimoun's message of "Tue, 17 Aug 2021 23:28:12 +0200") Message-ID: <865yv3v413.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 47630 Cc: 47630@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hi, On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 at 23:28, zimoun wrote: > On Thu, 15 Jul 2021 at 12:56, bo0od wrote: >>> Could you propose a concrete wording solving >>> the issues you see >> >> Not really because english is not my mother tongue so there going to be errors >> in grammars, choosing of words..etc so better to be written by someone who has >> better english than me. >> >> But for the commands to go on step by step i can give that with little text >> and any webadmin can pick it up and arrange it accordingly. >> >> If guix documentation built on wikimedia it would be much easier because i can >> register and upload my changes and can be reviewed and updated, But using >> email for this is not the best way to achieve it but what to do.. > > Maybe you could provide what you find missing and where in the manual, > with little text. It should be a good start for pointing what and how > to improve. I plan to close this report if there is no concrete patch attached. Because personally I do not see what could be done. All the best, simon From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Sep 14 10:51:38 2021 Received: (at 47630) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Sep 2021 14:51:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49868 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mQ9mb-0007wK-OL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Sep 2021 10:51:37 -0400 Received: from mx1.riseup.net ([198.252.153.129]:47344) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mQ9mZ-0007w4-Tp for 47630@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Sep 2021 10:51:36 -0400 Received: from fews2.riseup.net (fews2-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.84]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.riseup.net", Issuer "Sectigo RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4H85ry0KSkzF5b9; Tue, 14 Sep 2021 07:51:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1631631090; bh=N1iwWQkjAPtqpiLpWAj635JWE0EJsSH5vtC6xJ1yUEU=; h=Subject:To:Cc:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=PE3AZRuiwQ/ZfFX6wCn2yXkaPUUVhqncZTqbt18OvSUOY8jKxj5sXNDMF1hu0mUti wOiCAZd4YG5kzysQOfqtMpNojk7vQonw5ZipdWyxiZumC0Fu9oYjPQG+4Bn12kIMOI KObtt+oih2RVv5SDkV8oZSX6+3RK3Jj/EN0TpP2g= X-Riseup-User-ID: 849510D85BEAC2122C3E828A8C5BFA1E098CB7454802F71216A7643FC58631E1 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews2.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4H85rw4GHHz21nK; Tue, 14 Sep 2021 07:51:28 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: bug#47630: Improve guix manual installation docs To: zimoun References: <2b1e7af8-40bc-1603-3cdf-e40dcaff9f98@riseup.net> <87y2aoll1r.fsf@gmail.com> <865yw3n4lv.fsf@gmail.com> <865yv3v413.fsf@gmail.com> From: bo0od Message-ID: Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2021 14:50:21 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <865yv3v413.fsf@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 47630 Cc: 47630@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Fix the documentation as steps works for the end user as if he follow it 1 by 1 copy/paste (similar to nix docs as example), Otherwise current steps in the docs just junk to the end user. (you dont expect users to know and finish steps themselves) zimoun: > Hi, > > On Tue, 17 Aug 2021 at 23:28, zimoun wrote: >> On Thu, 15 Jul 2021 at 12:56, bo0od wrote: >>>> Could you propose a concrete wording solving >>>> the issues you see >>> >>> Not really because english is not my mother tongue so there going to be errors >>> in grammars, choosing of words..etc so better to be written by someone who has >>> better english than me. >>> >>> But for the commands to go on step by step i can give that with little text >>> and any webadmin can pick it up and arrange it accordingly. >>> >>> If guix documentation built on wikimedia it would be much easier because i can >>> register and upload my changes and can be reviewed and updated, But using >>> email for this is not the best way to achieve it but what to do.. >> >> Maybe you could provide what you find missing and where in the manual, >> with little text. It should be a good start for pointing what and how >> to improve. > > I plan to close this report if there is no concrete patch attached. > Because personally I do not see what could be done. > > All the best, > simon > From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Sep 14 11:41:56 2021 Received: (at 47630) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Sep 2021 15:41:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49968 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mQAZH-0002zA-OX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Sep 2021 11:41:55 -0400 Received: from mail-qv1-f46.google.com ([209.85.219.46]:43657) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1mQAZF-0002ys-9t for 47630@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Sep 2021 11:41:53 -0400 Received: by mail-qv1-f46.google.com with SMTP id cf2so8152041qvb.10 for <47630@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 14 Sep 2021 08:41:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=6xFbRpYlXNc9WUAr9pdKu3wsAyawf1GPVL7RbCLoCnI=; b=jeP0Qc+uKLQ8zBRyr+3StH7OOZ82dTbkVglD4lqGKDbr3x22IrLW4OK6PiTgBSUDmF pO4YIngkdIBqWuZW5EtUH/1VXn6TtsAWuFlUw9c53lsMr0CplQq0Z8C/wCV4EGBREZww 2BE3elcvP5FpN3yKV8UM+mwVREKwAia7Afk+12Shc6FpVGFwjrMzjydklyevgMRdE09Z 7FL97SKBfy02VVY9VqDojkYpeMZkoMYY5CPqEKGoQ8KOR4bXe4hgvnsr+TWe1vwyHE5C oZ+BbUdPZcmJmnF5a0q4MbJWHnK7syyOCTCGTu4/ArB0QljD8oh1xLcnllfdVYLhZSbt ZSlQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=6xFbRpYlXNc9WUAr9pdKu3wsAyawf1GPVL7RbCLoCnI=; b=wzcLM42jfBJij8i6UdZ+N9zkEFrfhU0ivoC7MJa2w/EQ+87qMVStCwNbgDoy7XyR3Y LMp8+kVtq1yVBk6cFMuyQSf1idspg5I5ut/CHPHS3vaEuSsHMnpKYoQm64qRVT6xYxa8 APvk2F0LqYNJ/iCLLzY+eq8jJS2ZZ6kE419CCa0EQt5xDfQcb6SIWOc2mMDL/33Mz4DZ KzHGcHPpzN9ZIMdV/RDtPJnbensOwDvOZ/aAdtBO9lEKAAiVI0qHXtHtTlIdpqAFd2Bx Afn5ghEz3fisyDMajWrWN1Fh2VyuW8NWZyEwyXV8PNhuBzAuylde3y7xd9gwT53ZyqTy Gxog== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5309I1q6tRa9wI9kgG/TYJGs7/o2P8qY+qpcYknJx0YmF3TyCfU6 D/iZWsZOUE14UdJ5Z4Lr9swNB05HNjXi0QY/dCk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwFcdHORNpRhAzNyNAEjimfuOpGSxGaFQ/ihC/MhUnwH1bPi4kJFfqk8oGoPErPsJHMjFtDhzFvfJbjtfXDjfc= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6214:2e7:: with SMTP id h7mr6093940qvu.39.1631634107681; Tue, 14 Sep 2021 08:41:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <2b1e7af8-40bc-1603-3cdf-e40dcaff9f98@riseup.net> <87y2aoll1r.fsf@gmail.com> <865yw3n4lv.fsf@gmail.com> <865yv3v413.fsf@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: From: zimoun Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2021 17:41:36 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#47630: Improve guix manual installation docs To: bo0od Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 47630 Cc: 47630@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hi, On Tue, 14 Sept 2021 at 16:51, bo0od wrote: > Fix the documentation as steps works for the end user as if he follow it > 1 by 1 copy/paste (similar to nix docs as example), Otherwise current > steps in the docs just junk to the end user. (you dont expect users to > know and finish steps themselves) I proposed you to write down these steps as a starting point for improving the manual to turn it into a patch (for the Manual or the Cookbook); this is actionable. Otherwise say =C2=AB improve this part of the manual =C2=BB is not constructive; this is not actionable. I (and probably others) do not see what could be improved in this area so it appears to me hard to improve something that I do not know what. :-) Last, the manual says: This option requires familiarity with GNU/Linux, with the shell, and with common administration tools. If you think this is not for you, consider using the guided graphical installer. Therefore, it appears to me expected that this section provides only command hints and not one by one step to complete all the process. Other said, I expect that user who does not know how to fully complete will run the Graphical Installer. Does Nix have a Graphical Installer? 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Sun, 26 Sep 2021 01:17:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: bug#47630: Improve guix manual installation docs To: zimoun References: <2b1e7af8-40bc-1603-3cdf-e40dcaff9f98@riseup.net> <87y2aoll1r.fsf@gmail.com> <865yw3n4lv.fsf@gmail.com> <865yv3v413.fsf@gmail.com> From: bo0od Message-ID: <670eb1b1-8fa5-76ea-8bad-06707622d3a5@riseup.net> Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2021 08:17:35 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 47630 Cc: 47630@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > I proposed you to write down these steps as a starting point for > improving the manual to turn it into a patch Will do that for next guix release hopefully. zimoun: > Hi, > > On Tue, 14 Sept 2021 at 16:51, bo0od wrote: > >> Fix the documentation as steps works for the end user as if he follow it >> 1 by 1 copy/paste (similar to nix docs as example), Otherwise current >> steps in the docs just junk to the end user. (you dont expect users to >> know and finish steps themselves) > > I proposed you to write down these steps as a starting point for > improving the manual to turn it into a patch (for the Manual or the > Cookbook); this is actionable. Otherwise say « improve this part of > the manual » is not constructive; this is not actionable. I (and > probably others) do not see what could be improved in this area so it > appears to me hard to improve something that I do not know what. :-) > > Last, the manual says: > > This option requires familiarity with GNU/Linux, with the shell, > and with common administration tools. If you think this is not > for you, consider using the guided graphical installer. > > > > Therefore, it appears to me expected that this section provides only > command hints and not one by one step to complete all the process. > Other said, I expect that user who does not know how to fully complete > will run the Graphical Installer. Does Nix have a Graphical > Installer? > > > All the best, > simon > From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jan 04 17:57:39 2022 Received: (at 47630) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Jan 2022 22:57:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39074 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n4skN-00044t-A5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2022 17:57:39 -0500 Received: from mail-wr1-f41.google.com ([209.85.221.41]:38404) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n4skK-00044Y-EI for 47630@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 04 Jan 2022 17:57:38 -0500 Received: by mail-wr1-f41.google.com with SMTP id e5so79097092wrc.5 for <47630@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 04 Jan 2022 14:57:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version; bh=gS9+JUgttjF5I1hOc6Ko9lYLgliC+SujdKiEBNyWQHQ=; b=E7lJMGBf+ChS4lT390xQop6snuk1m95pmasODSxOAYsj+nOGqWqHpUJBn9tCZLXa9L JLT0PxRGcgkNdH+OSLP+TwGTwQiCZzKcVv9sMFDWB3PRiUqn2fjyzZw8nRFRbu3e0FSF DQFYggcDzCudy5jME7lOekoYU0Kqs7b/BHIxChXRct6BUxeNCoFBifs47fKDhxQyau9T 2/QR/LNLxsugTkuycwaSFwWEGEwR+DQEQDqseZfECzx3HDeuXyNFBnCB3829jqo0kRSl JCNu5d3/u9KrJPQ8Q3pSMhFvCyWcEzCJqwIF2Xlcva8R6EDnRfhG8F6PKLy+sNdvx6LD elrg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=gS9+JUgttjF5I1hOc6Ko9lYLgliC+SujdKiEBNyWQHQ=; b=7du3CyR+NgfYIYYAPTBtaTEgT7kVZgjr/YXf0Lk+JhIuTr3NS5ut1OwuHoMIA5A4qH A5ENdgVOktYDP6K/S2tD+WylkKVzARYalZhOG/Iq4U0cp67no9TcZs10XM0S2Keht+Po +kWoFT4Y89XFRZj16QCKHnmGuwDjlOwDkcc9EiOS8tFdB7EWMXDTSzaWmZBiStyMKMVY ZP6qD8RNq6HHbVlGo0g1jca+jrmBtVvD7f87x7nOsvKIITeaaN8ysgGflQLis7O2dIsP cxo/M1rHNN4bk/7/hPv+sl7iAQ5wWwY/etkTlgZ3oHLJv/jm2nZZ0VPrAh7HdD9H3lkY idgA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533KGw5ltQYQ5dchOq2KFKRP0A2CevrX/518xz1Eh2FziEJWVakR 6M2SOQXkMrcrUQD/gV1ZQ3ITIMxz56I= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwIDDuBS7Ruch8yl0NnWOsU34bxDja/WiWs2Ds+C3dw+bGM03DW+pPMHWt3R6MvpHCFaQJCuA== X-Received: by 2002:adf:f40c:: with SMTP id g12mr44050483wro.287.1641337050406; Tue, 04 Jan 2022 14:57:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from lili ([2a01:e0a:59b:9120:65d2:2476:f637:db1e]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id l17sm732787wms.24.2022.01.04.14.57.29 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 04 Jan 2022 14:57:29 -0800 (PST) From: zimoun To: bo0od Subject: Re: bug#47630: Improve guix manual installation docs References: <2b1e7af8-40bc-1603-3cdf-e40dcaff9f98@riseup.net> <87y2aoll1r.fsf@gmail.com> <865yw3n4lv.fsf@gmail.com> <865yv3v413.fsf@gmail.com> <670eb1b1-8fa5-76ea-8bad-06707622d3a5@riseup.net> Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2022 23:53:41 +0100 In-Reply-To: <670eb1b1-8fa5-76ea-8bad-06707622d3a5@riseup.net> (bo0od@riseup.net's message of "Sun, 26 Sep 2021 08:17:35 +0000") Message-ID: <8635m3cdu2.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 47630 Cc: 47630@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hi, On Sun, 26 Sep 2021 at 08:17, bo0od wrote: >> I proposed you to write down these steps as a starting point for >> improving the manual to turn it into a patch > > Will do that for next guix release hopefully. The next release is coming. See [1]. Therefore, do you plan to fix #47630? Otherwise, let close it since the backlog is already enough long. :-) 1: 2: Cheers, simon From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jun 23 06:02:59 2022 Received: (at 47630) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Jun 2022 10:02:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37493 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o4Jfv-0003ZS-Fn for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 23 Jun 2022 06:02:59 -0400 Received: from mail-wm1-f46.google.com ([209.85.128.46]:40759) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o4Jfe-0003Xk-5a for 47630@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 23 Jun 2022 06:02:52 -0400 Received: by mail-wm1-f46.google.com with SMTP id j5-20020a05600c1c0500b0039c5dbbfa48so1194400wms.5 for <47630@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 23 Jun 2022 03:02:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to:message-id :user-agent:mime-version; bh=hIx98/zbKXxxVxhiOvF+VOZ5g8Cx5ZGapk2R4rxdnfU=; b=kryKODZqGdoVrMIc7ZGrgZmKWsTz8xPQfYJHoADIiHkvkc/lX5vedT3Y8pk/uxyUEU vedxRkUPon4yi+mjJscjRSib5HgiWE85XWMoDMUwyRTDOjDKJ1cxExIWPz2K7gtryydi 0RM/jkGJLYnRwl2PUu8FMbV5U4MgH7586nt0wXXbiAS65F0D2IGL2uX+hofUGms0grHN LKfKSMRE3d5gTUKzt0gQBA62HjGdoyTJljhErnQ3hKIiOoKdAfmltPaS4HGcLq85o1K4 qGBxtKg6ZzKyNK90eGjwCTRpNjAz5NfrNMnWoO1gm4VYenZrqEBQ8vD1XGYCFWctpEGJ Xzcg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:references:date:in-reply-to :message-id:user-agent:mime-version; bh=hIx98/zbKXxxVxhiOvF+VOZ5g8Cx5ZGapk2R4rxdnfU=; b=TllR6xcHh01PffgTzgPfbLpPFmFVkBo1v51yxa3ebdeOtTUAPNizGVNB1CRFCl/Co2 bRgtMcKiosUmZxkVHZwx5JXeWohqMcQDux0kLxmlB1AkiG9CwtjOX+knyDrc3e8QJQ8W eyAwz2rfM4AQt5leiWjSvoKdJ/CNNBLxP6QrAw+SQanHdtrrptL441WM7gCPSCWUTDbd yUZ+45IZbAhNeIDHGiT436LxOt+RHcuw7pSXomKXvCXTOO2mFkIK/5z3wRW3yqbS0fGf QazBfib8XH626XQD3n2RCwai/AmfN5FBPITc39VeVbB83hxZYB8yjHH7c5+yb3/aunHQ Yhxw== X-Gm-Message-State: AJIora9lL26kD9WIHLS9Ahhgy3j/UhCmwv8UWU5lHT33iZZnsWFrU91g D8K0VYOdxpdIvbrNv0JflzvCGOZm72k= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGRyM1uv5WaJuEJPg3WgrrDYPB+HkbWoXSaxlHRGlggLF5s2mS4M1y5bomUFrAmDoweQUirgSgb/lQ== X-Received: by 2002:a05:600c:a03:b0:39e:4f0c:938c with SMTP id z3-20020a05600c0a0300b0039e4f0c938cmr3276468wmp.145.1655978556193; Thu, 23 Jun 2022 03:02:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lili ([147.99.27.198]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id f18-20020a7bc8d2000000b0039c747a1e8fsm2604413wml.7.2022.06.23.03.02.35 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 23 Jun 2022 03:02:35 -0700 (PDT) From: zimoun To: bo0od Subject: Re: bug#47630: Improve guix manual installation docs References: <2b1e7af8-40bc-1603-3cdf-e40dcaff9f98@riseup.net> <87y2aoll1r.fsf@gmail.com> <865yw3n4lv.fsf@gmail.com> <865yv3v413.fsf@gmail.com> <670eb1b1-8fa5-76ea-8bad-06707622d3a5@riseup.net> <8635m3cdu2.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2022 11:52:17 +0200 In-Reply-To: <8635m3cdu2.fsf@gmail.com> (zimoun's message of "Tue, 04 Jan 2022 23:53:41 +0100") Message-ID: <86zgi37lm6.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 47630 Cc: 47630@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hi, On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 at 23:53, zimoun wrote: > On Sun, 26 Sep 2021 at 08:17, bo0od wrote: >>> I proposed you to write down these steps as a starting point for >>> improving the manual to turn it into a patch >> >> Will do that for next guix release hopefully. > > Therefore, do you plan to fix > #47630? Otherwise, let close it since the backlog is already enough > long. :-) I am proposing to close this wishlist [1]. Any objection? 1: Cheers, simon From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jun 24 06:25:48 2022 Received: (at 47630) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Jun 2022 10:25:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40928 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o4gVY-0002Ni-KJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Jun 2022 06:25:48 -0400 Received: from mx1.riseup.net ([198.252.153.129]:36500) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1o4gVV-0002NT-Um for 47630@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Jun 2022 06:25:47 -0400 Received: from fews2.riseup.net (fews2-pn.riseup.net [10.0.1.84]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "mail.riseup.net", Issuer "R3" (not verified)) by mx1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4LTtYb6ny2zDqTd; Fri, 24 Jun 2022 10:25:39 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1656066340; bh=226SWEW0Es+DvzjlawBcssRVNytJjZ3KIZq1eSMLH0s=; h=Date:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:In-Reply-To:From; b=Bng7rv8dB4iL4xU+eaE/7hXL8H0xuzxsK4BjmVJI3idPYYWu2edD6uYdrH0/GF3y3 6S3bREqFVO4HN4Ya3q8Xt3AMTDFxAuYG0KqwVV9MP30Vj6kSURyvEjJ7ftiryt196s 6oEdjmkMQKDbnlX7Up6PcRriD/552QMg1ASdUlgU= X-Riseup-User-ID: AF1A741DF9444284FFDFD033D46C2FA75D614AB22174E89EB3C167CD6EA62828 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews2.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4LTtYY5lY9z1xph; Fri, 24 Jun 2022 10:25:37 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <0afc7c46-9ce3-1284-8f87-fa67f816727d@riseup.net> Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2022 10:25:31 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: bug#47630: Improve guix manual installation docs Content-Language: en-US To: zimoun References: <2b1e7af8-40bc-1603-3cdf-e40dcaff9f98@riseup.net> <87y2aoll1r.fsf@gmail.com> <865yw3n4lv.fsf@gmail.com> <865yv3v413.fsf@gmail.com> <670eb1b1-8fa5-76ea-8bad-06707622d3a5@riseup.net> <8635m3cdu2.fsf@gmail.com> <86zgi37lm6.fsf@gmail.com> From: bo0od In-Reply-To: <86zgi37lm6.fsf@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 47630 Cc: 47630@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Feel free to do that 1.4 took more than it should and might never see the sun anytime soon. zimoun: > Hi, > > On Tue, 04 Jan 2022 at 23:53, zimoun wrote: >> On Sun, 26 Sep 2021 at 08:17, bo0od wrote: > >>>> I proposed you to write down these steps as a starting point for >>>> improving the manual to turn it into a patch >>> >>> Will do that for next guix release hopefully. >> >> Therefore, do you plan to fix >> #47630? Otherwise, let close it since the backlog is already enough >> long. :-) > > I am proposing to close this wishlist [1]. 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