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Reply-To: bug#47198 <47198@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2025 10:14:05 +0000 retitle 47198 27.1; Why bind some commands by default if they're not define= d? reassign 47198 emacs submitter 47198 Drew Adams severity 47198 minor thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Mar 16 13:57:56 2021 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Mar 2021 17:57:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40965 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lMDx5-0005N8-Ns for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 Mar 2021 13:57:56 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:49632) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lMDx3-0005Mz-Rh for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 Mar 2021 13:57:54 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53278) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lMDx3-0006Md-Fu for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Mar 2021 13:57:53 -0400 Received: from userp2130.oracle.com ([156.151.31.86]:43752) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lMDx0-0001CA-Se for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Mar 2021 13:57:52 -0400 Received: from pps.filterd (userp2130.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp2130.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 12GHsLNl123782 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2021 17:57:48 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=from : to : subject : date : message-id : content-type : content-transfer-encoding : mime-version; s=corp-2020-01-29; bh=NdtTca5rsXTpX69IKgnVeIFI6ohxwX4CrFigYOLj+SA=; b=BapW/w1JvyLFZElGD6wQlclNEFwh2DTYVIe2ZFY5AO+d/dtDK89m0e7ywpcpHVoC1UbS F0/hDjvYxAIbs1lT5v8i9SvnbZOk7/pbg7N9ZqS40u35/pK6TEZ1gHa3rO9JZhTFM6Ai bIyoNoLEUyw4X977Bt3WYBVk61/D0/qvjEuKGTPpeRgXCGK28bnQKodhhqWgXF6Hbhpu OUxkL+lVdI5UH83PQiv3nbzJSiTXnI8PKkx9C0Rxya+TFBn9Y+AxqNCrgPRYfkMlXlbc 57+AvLLBLbRSXu6N5SC5hvnCN7sivWbGlu31GZ2vsEtH0pzexIqTLwpJsrbQapEPZJed 2g== Received: from userp3020.oracle.com (userp3020.oracle.com [156.151.31.79]) by userp2130.oracle.com with ESMTP id 37a4ekp4s3-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2021 17:57:47 +0000 Received: from pps.filterd (userp3020.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp3020.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 12GHtNYV174253 for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2021 17:57:47 GMT Received: from nam11-co1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-co1nam11lp2168.outbound.protection.outlook.com [104.47.56.168]) by userp3020.oracle.com with ESMTP id 37a4et959c-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Tue, 16 Mar 2021 17:57:47 +0000 ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; s=arcselector9901; d=microsoft.com; cv=none; b=kC38C6V8sKyZJTmQb7uSg4BwQGUbmy5yfepMTdkDkkox4DjVD7XDbiKjr11NPrW1XSHsu661LMwqpEcrM96ZaMGcjtLk7QfGnlXuPJia5VUgYK2Bp96twM6QuBvAPIOv+vBFJEqBAQfs0oSGjHElSkUsMyQjjyJPPBr4oJo1nFTMsX+ARX1yyC4KGQ3UrQXrRJwRWFFf1REKonfLlGfCeH3RtThYPucxd/WqSn8wNqsetNsQKGwaXgrcsrrl87XPX03r2V40Xem0Z5r/Xk+QYHxbuozot3muhblrncXsHgZeQA1wlzuKtQ+vANeJ0Wb4cf4QpfDS+E7HwXPiXOxqfQ== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=microsoft.com; s=arcselector9901; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=NdtTca5rsXTpX69IKgnVeIFI6ohxwX4CrFigYOLj+SA=; b=V28qLIJUrTdQ+Bfet6EVp02PNlB/sAkfNG26Mj7ao7wuAoo25Llhe93znHPrbW2H7j/nx6I3420uOCvHgwwxl+abogoR+dFZMcyFQJXshssXok0ljavGto1X9vzDeZaLkwRHvRrILTxEARrdPNIuRLNBkGZ3/u+227kiW/ECTQ/1ScbqbMjPUvLTESgE1gzN5y1YbFIMrej2umpnXrLDNPdXgBowK/MFrHFI3JnN+8zFLwX+j38Gp/5hvBZCzgwlQYL/s5g87/MK2ll3DhIWUuqHuZhSn7bm80RrS913niKiwG7z1B0rKyZiiZKvySpdQ9DYlZhWseU8+HZmxzovjg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.microsoft.com 1; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=oracle.com; dmarc=pass action=none header.from=oracle.com; dkim=pass header.d=oracle.com; arc=none DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.onmicrosoft.com; s=selector2-oracle-onmicrosoft-com; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=NdtTca5rsXTpX69IKgnVeIFI6ohxwX4CrFigYOLj+SA=; b=OzIBm1kizIs2f5OvFdQ7+5kAjUuq8HGSkkXFJWIRBRjkKiLMmbUZHTaOOjcbFXJXJQJYTukW2btZHcg3neMrzacR68cwMgozi79ADVTTv3TL4tnC63+i3hbKH4lezMd/t0gYyrW6Fid57JdAbrBPO21yPw2WGYVzwbXIiDJn6go= Received: from SA2PR10MB4474.namprd10.prod.outlook.com (2603:10b6:806:11b::15) by SA2PR10MB4492.namprd10.prod.outlook.com (2603:10b6:806:11f::18) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.3933.32; Tue, 16 Mar 2021 17:57:45 +0000 Received: from SA2PR10MB4474.namprd10.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::b8d2:db6d:3e4b:d315]) by SA2PR10MB4474.namprd10.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::b8d2:db6d:3e4b:d315%5]) with mapi id 15.20.3933.032; Tue, 16 Mar 2021 17:57:45 +0000 From: Drew Adams To: "bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org" Subject: 27.1; Why bind some commands by default if they're not defined? 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envelope-from=drew.adams@oracle.com; helo=userp2130.oracle.com X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) emacs -Q C-h b There is this entry, with no link on the command name: M-s h f hi-lock-find-patterns This is apparently because file `bindings.el' adds the key binding: (define-key search-map "hf" 'hi-lock-find-patterns) Is it a good idea that we do this even though the command is not yet defined? Seems like such a binding should be in hi-lock.el, and be created only after the command is created, no? (This bug is a bit similar to #47197, I guess. But `vc-ignore' doesn't seem to be bound anywhere.) In GNU Emacs 27.1 (build 1, x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2020-08-12 built on CIRROCUMULUS Repository revision: 86d8d76aa36037184db0b2897c434cdaab1a9ae8 Repository branch: HEAD Windowing system distributor 'Microsoft Corp.', version 10.0.19041 System Description: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro (v10.0.2004.19041.804) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Mar 16 14:40:12 2021 Received: (at 47198) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Mar 2021 18:40:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41070 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lMEc0-00009j-CM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 Mar 2021 14:40:12 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:46340) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lMEby-00009T-Qy for 47198@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 Mar 2021 14:40:11 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:44111) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lMEbs-0000Wj-T4; Tue, 16 Mar 2021 14:40:04 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:4131 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lMEbo-0000vX-76; Tue, 16 Mar 2021 14:40:01 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 20:40:13 +0200 Message-Id: <83a6r3djsi.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams In-Reply-To: (message from Drew Adams on Tue, 16 Mar 2021 17:57:45 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#47198: 27.1; Why bind some commands by default if they're not defined? References: X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 47198 Cc: 47198@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > From: Drew Adams > Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 17:57:45 +0000 > > M-s h f hi-lock-find-patterns > > This is apparently because file `bindings.el' adds the key binding: > > (define-key search-map "hf" 'hi-lock-find-patterns) > > Is it a good idea that we do this even though the command is not yet > defined? > > Seems like such a binding should be in hi-lock.el, and be created only > after the command is created, no? If the command is in hi-lock.el, how do you cause hi-lock to autoload when first invoked? 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: oracle.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: SA2PR10MB4474.namprd10.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 8d4910da-28a8-4ffd-84e4-08d8e8b2add5 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 16 Mar 2021 19:35:39.0303 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 4e2c6054-71cb-48f1-bd6c-3a9705aca71b X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: ylJ8u2mQAfV50eQZCYrEZr1+EQ/RzshJycRflPVj6Tonc0tYdIpTPuFa13yB/pydJ5m+ABg7RYQ2xihPA/BHVw== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: SA2PR10MB4569 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6200 definitions=9925 signatures=668683 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 spamscore=0 bulkscore=0 malwarescore=0 adultscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 phishscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2009150000 definitions=main-2103160121 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6200 definitions=9925 signatures=668683 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 mlxscore=0 suspectscore=0 adultscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 phishscore=0 malwarescore=0 priorityscore=1501 bulkscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 lowpriorityscore=0 impostorscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2009150000 definitions=main-2103160122 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 47198 Cc: "47198@debbugs.gnu.org" <47198@debbugs.gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > > M-s h f hi-lock-find-patterns > > > > This is apparently because file `bindings.el' adds the key binding: > > > > (define-key search-map "hf" 'hi-lock-find-patterns) > > > > Is it a good idea that we do this even though the > > command is not yet defined? > > > > Seems like such a binding should be in hi-lock.el, > > and be created only after the command is created, no? >=20 > If the command is in hi-lock.el, how do you cause hi-lock > to autoload when first invoked? I didn't say anything about autoloading anything. `search-map' will always be defined in Emacs. `hi-lock.el' can itself create that binding. But yes, autoloading based on the command isn't the same thing as binding a key that will, by invoking the (undefined) command, cause its definition to be loaded. Feel free to fix this some other way. We're binding a key to a command that doesn't (yet) exist. Is it important that that key be available at the outset as a way to autoload that library? At least in my use, I see only that command and `vc-ignore' that are listed in `C-h b' but without the commands having links. What's so special about them? Put differently, how have we succeeded in solving the same problem for other commands in files not loaded by default? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Mar 16 15:42:09 2021 Received: (at 47198) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Mar 2021 19:42:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41100 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lMFZx-0001bE-FY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 Mar 2021 15:42:09 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:34364) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lMFZu-0001an-Eg for 47198@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 Mar 2021 15:42:09 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:45609) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lMFZo-0001pE-Ut; Tue, 16 Mar 2021 15:42:01 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:4065 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lMFZn-0005C8-FQ; Tue, 16 Mar 2021 15:42:00 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 21:42:14 +0200 Message-Id: <835z1qevhl.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams In-Reply-To: (message from Drew Adams on Tue, 16 Mar 2021 19:35:39 +0000) Subject: Re: [External] : Re: bug#47198: 27.1; Why bind some commands by default if they're not defined? References: <83a6r3djsi.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 47198 Cc: 47198@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > From: Drew Adams > CC: "47198@debbugs.gnu.org" <47198@debbugs.gnu.org> > Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 19:35:39 +0000 > > Feel free to fix this some other way. I see nothing here that needs fixing because it's broken, certainly not badly enough to risk unintended consequences (which are always around the corner when trying to fix such femto-problems). So I think this bug report should be closed as wontfix. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Mar 16 15:46:38 2021 Received: (at 47198-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Mar 2021 19:46:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41104 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lMFeI-0001hu-2j for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 Mar 2021 15:46:38 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:35222) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lMFeG-0001hh-Jx for 47198-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 Mar 2021 15:46:37 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:45691) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lMFeA-0003uL-9T; Tue, 16 Mar 2021 15:46:31 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:4330 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lMFdt-0001QK-Im; Tue, 16 Mar 2021 15:46:25 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 21:46:27 +0200 Message-Id: <834khaevak.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams In-Reply-To: (message from Drew Adams on Tue, 16 Mar 2021 19:35:39 +0000) Subject: Re: [External] : Re: bug#47198: 27.1; Why bind some commands by default if they're not defined? References: <83a6r3djsi.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 47198-done Cc: 47198-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > From: Drew Adams > CC: "47198@debbugs.gnu.org" <47198@debbugs.gnu.org> > Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 19:35:39 +0000 > > > > M-s h f hi-lock-find-patterns > > > > > > This is apparently because file `bindings.el' adds the key binding: Btw, this command does have a link in the pretest of Emacs 27.2. So I'm closing this bug report. 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Great. Thanks for closing it. What was the solution that took care of this? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Mar 16 16:12:03 2021 Received: (at 47198) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Mar 2021 20:12:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41125 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lMG2t-0002J0-A2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 Mar 2021 16:12:03 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:41660) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1lMG2q-0002IU-Ga for 47198@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 16 Mar 2021 16:12:02 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:46608) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lMG2k-0006u0-4T; Tue, 16 Mar 2021 16:11:54 -0400 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:1945 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lMG2i-00048c-3U; Tue, 16 Mar 2021 16:11:52 -0400 Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 22:12:05 +0200 Message-Id: <8335wueu3u.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams In-Reply-To: (message from Drew Adams on Tue, 16 Mar 2021 19:48:46 +0000) Subject: Re: [External] : Re: bug#47198: 27.1; Why bind some commands by default if they're not defined? References: <83a6r3djsi.fsf@gnu.org> <834khaevak.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 47198 Cc: 47198@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > From: Drew Adams > CC: "47198-done@debbugs.gnu.org" <47198-done@debbugs.gnu.org> > Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2021 19:48:46 +0000 > > What was the solution that took care of this? I have no idea. From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:14:05 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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