From unknown Sun Jun 22 03:58:06 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#4706: 23.1.50; RMAIL mode fails to read mail first time Reply-To: jpff , 4706@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: jpff Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs 2Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:35:04 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: report 4706 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B.125534691223881 (code B ref -1); Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:35:04 +0000 Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 12 Oct 2009 11:28:32 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.0 required=4.0 tests=AWL,FOURLA,IMPRONONCABLE_1, MURPHY_WRONG_WORD1,MURPHY_WRONG_WORD2,URIBL_CNKR autolearn=no version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n9CBSUYn023877 for ; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 04:28:32 -0700 Received: from mail.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:57666 helo=mx10.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1MxJ4n-0004Ke-8P for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:28:29 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MxJ4j-0002CV-Hd for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:28:28 -0400 Received: from air.cs.bath.ac.uk ([138.38.108.3]:54302) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MxJ4i-0002Bn-Ce for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 07:28:25 -0400 Received: from [138.38.108.1] (helo=xenakis.cs.bath.ac.uk) by air.cs.bath.ac.uk with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MxJ4d-0003MB-85; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:28:19 +0100 Received: from jpff by xenakis.cs.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MxJ4d-0005T2-15; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:28:19 +0100 Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:28:18 +0100 Message-ID: <4363-Mon12Oct2009122818+0100-jpff@cs.bath.ac.uk> X-Mailer: emacs 23.1.50.7 (via feedmail 11-beta-1 I) From: jpff To: emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) This started happening a few days ago. When I invoke rmail command it loads by RMAIL file and then asserts that there it cannot get the po: password, and there is no new mail. I then run (rmail-get-new-mail) explicitely and it works. I have (setq rmail-primary-inbox-list '("po:jpff" "/var/spool/mail/jpff")) (setenv "MAILHOST" "air.cs.bath.ac.uk") and the password is set (custom-set-variables '(rmail-pop-password-required t) '(rmail-pop-password "xxxxxxxx")) This counts more of an irritation than a bug, but it used to work. On my other network which does not use pop there is no problem. In GNU Emacs 23.1.50.7 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, X toolkit, Xaw3d scroll bars) of 2009-10-12 on xenakis Windowing system distributor `The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.10502000 Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: nil value of $LC_COLLATE: nil value of $LC_CTYPE: nil value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil value of $LC_MONETARY: nil value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil value of $LC_TIME: nil value of $LANG: en_GB.UTF-8 value of $XMODIFIERS: @im=local locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix default enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: RMAIL Minor modes in effect: auto-image-file-mode: t show-paren-mode: t display-time-mode: t tooltip-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t global-auto-composition-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent input: M-r g M-x r e p o r Recent messages: 0 new messages read Loading mail-extr...done Getting mail from the remote server ... 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/bigdisk/jpff/GNU_21/emacs-22.0.50/lisp/emacs-lisp/debug hides /bigdisk/jpff/GNU_21/emacs-22.0.50/lisp/cedet/semantic/analyze/debug /bigdisk/jpff/GNU_21/emacs-22.0.50/lisp/complete hides /bigdisk/jpff/GNU_21/emacs-22.0.50/lisp/cedet/semantic/analyze/complete Features: (shadow mailabbrev mailalias emacsbug sendmail mime-compose mail-alias-menu mailcrypt mail-extr comint ring rmail mail-utils eldoc delsel image-file cus-start cus-load logger crypt crypt++ crypt+pgp-pub paren uniquify advice help-fns help-mode view advice-preload holidays hol-loaddefs regexp-opt cal-menu easymenu calendar cal-loaddefs time tooltip ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel x-win x-dnd tool-bar dnd fontset image fringe lisp-mode register page menu-bar rfn-eshadow timer select scroll-bar mldrag mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax facemenu font-core frame cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev loaddefs button minibuffer faces cus-face text-properties overlay md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote make-network-process x-toolkit x multi-tty emacs) ==John ffitch From unknown Sun Jun 22 03:58:06 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#4706: 23.1.50; RMAIL mode fails to read mail first time Reply-To: Glenn Morris , 4706@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Glenn Morris Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs 2Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:40:05 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 4706 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 4706-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B4706.12553651725131 (code B ref 4706); Mon, 12 Oct 2009 16:40:05 +0000 Received: (at 4706) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 12 Oct 2009 16:32:52 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: 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X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.8 required=4.0 tests=AWL,HAS_BUG_NUMBER, IMPRONONCABLE_1,MURPHY_WRONG_WORD1,MURPHY_WRONG_WORD2,X_DEBBUGS_NO_ACK autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n9CGWoMQ005127 for <4706@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 09:32:51 -0700 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1MxNpJ-0001zq-Hi; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:32:49 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: jpff Cc: 4706@debbugs.gnu.org References: <4363-Mon12Oct2009122818+0100-jpff@cs.bath.ac.uk> X-Spook: Vickie Weaver Blowfish Exon Shell Roswell cracking Legion X-Ran: T"Fb3Wn"_D.3FHSdd>c~Q9`BWDX*?HSztE:Nz,#|3@wi{+@h?lRD$,|_KzI[wukMmcVnX` X-Hue: blue X-Attribution: GM Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:32:49 -0400 In-Reply-To: <4363-Mon12Oct2009122818+0100-jpff@cs.bath.ac.uk> (jpff@cs.bath.ac.uk's message of "Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:28:18 +0100") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii jpff wrote: > This started happening a few days ago. When I invoke rmail command it > loads by RMAIL file and then asserts that there it cannot get the po: > password, and there is no new mail. [...] > and the password is set > (custom-set-variables > '(rmail-pop-password-required t) > '(rmail-pop-password "xxxxxxxx")) This is probably my mistake. Does it work with 's/pop/remote/' in those variables names? From unknown Sun Jun 22 03:58:06 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#4706: customize and aliaes [was Re: bug#4706: 23.1.50; RMAIL mode fails to read mail first time] Reply-To: Glenn Morris , 4706@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Glenn Morris Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs 2Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:45:06 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 4706 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 4706-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B4706.1255376229908 (code B ref 4706); Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:45:06 +0000 Received: (at 4706) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 12 Oct 2009 19:37:09 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.1 required=4.0 tests=AWL,FVGT_m_MULTI_ODD, HAS_BUG_NUMBER,URIBL_CNKR,X_DEBBUGS_NO_ACK autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n9CJb7O6000905; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:37:09 -0700 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1MxQhf-0005tn-6v; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:37:07 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: 4706@debbugs.gnu.org References: <4363-Mon12Oct2009122818+0100-jpff@cs.bath.ac.uk> X-Spook: halcon SAPO Marxist SWAT Ortega Blowpipe afsatcom CID X-Ran: h|n:*B0P@ User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii retitle 4706 customize and aliases stop I could have sworn this was supposed to work, eg: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2005-02/msg00543.html http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2008-04/msg00716.html Now I can't see that it ever has done. Consider: foo.el: (define-obsolete-variable-alias 'oldname 'newname "23.1") (defcustom newname nil "" :type 'boolean :group 'customize) ~/.emacs: (custom-set-variables '(oldname t)) (It works if you use setq rather than custom in your .emacs.) Loading .emacs gives 'oldname a 'saved-value property. If foo.el has not been loaded at this time, there is no way custom can know it should really be applying this property to 'newname. Later on when foo.el is loaded, custom-initialize-default checks if 'newname has a 'saved-value property, finds it does not, and so uses the default value of nil rather than the desired value of t. It will work if you load foo.el before .emacs, so one solution is to autoload all defvaraliases that point to defcustoms. However, this is not a solution for packages not distributed with emacs. Another solution would be to make defvaralias copy any properties. At present: (put 'oldname 'foobar t) (defvaralias 'oldname 'newname) (get 'newname 'foobar) ; -> nil But changing this doesn't seem right in general, and might break some existing behaviour. If custom-initialize-default could somehow check if 'symbol has any aliases, and if any of these have a 'saved-value property, that would seem like the right thing to do. But I can't see how to do this. Is there a "reverse indirect-variable" that lists all aliases of a given variable? rmail used to have a slightly complicated workaround for this. I mistakenly thought it was not needed. Rather than put it back, I'd prefer to just autoload the alias statements. There are other places besides rmail that define aliases pointing to defcustoms, so some kind of general solution is needed. Any suggestions? From unknown Sun Jun 22 03:58:06 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#4706: customize and aliaes Reply-To: Glenn Morris , 4706@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Glenn Morris Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs 2Resent-Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23:00:04 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 4706 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 4706-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B4706.125538799630258 (code B ref 4706); Mon, 12 Oct 2009 23:00:04 +0000 Received: (at 4706) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 12 Oct 2009 22:53:16 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.4 required=4.0 tests=AWL,HAS_BUG_NUMBER, X_DEBBUGS_NO_ACK autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n9CMrEVf030255 for <4706@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:53:15 -0700 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1MxTlS-00033N-1K; Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:53:14 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: 4706@debbugs.gnu.org References: <4363-Mon12Oct2009122818+0100-jpff@cs.bath.ac.uk> X-Spook: USCODE Bin Laden AK-47 Honduras Blowfish Majic sniper X-Ran: m-CnOzn$/4#-jph'p_!0!TdDd@wD|L%>e+L7D (Glenn Morris's message of "Mon, 12 Oct 2009 15:37:07 -0400") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Glenn Morris wrote: > Any suggestions? Perhaps if new_alias has a 'saved-value property, and base_variable does not, Fdefvaralias could copy the property to base_variable? (Additionally, perhaps only if base_variable is not bound?) That seems like it might be a safe, general solution. From unknown Sun Jun 22 03:58:06 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#4706: customize and aliaes Reply-To: Stefan Monnier , 4706@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs 2Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:10:10 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 4706 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 4706-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B4706.12554642872269 (code B ref 4706); Tue, 13 Oct 2009 20:10:10 +0000 Received: (at 4706) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 13 Oct 2009 20:04:47 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.0 required=4.0 tests=AWL,HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from pruche.dit.umontreal.ca (pruche.dit.umontreal.ca [132.204.246.22]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n9DK4j1N002266 for <4706@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:04:47 -0700 Received: from faina.iro.umontreal.ca (faina.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.26.177]) by pruche.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n9DK4iRA014520; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:04:45 -0400 Received: by faina.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix, from userid 20848) id DDE3A3A07F; Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:04:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Glenn Morris Cc: 4706@debbugs.gnu.org Message-ID: References: <4363-Mon12Oct2009122818+0100-jpff@cs.bath.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 16:04:44 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:53:13 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 1 Rules triggered RV3383=0 >> Any suggestions? > Perhaps if new_alias has a 'saved-value property, and base_variable > does not, Fdefvaralias could copy the property to base_variable? > (Additionally, perhaps only if base_variable is not bound?) > That seems like it might be a safe, general solution. I think that extending defvaralias this way would be wrong, but I think it would fit just fine in define-obsolete-variable-alias. Stefan From unknown Sun Jun 22 03:58:06 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#4706: customize and aliaes Reply-To: Glenn Morris , 4706@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Glenn Morris Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs 2Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 06:20:04 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 4706 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 4706-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B4706.125558726527161 (code B ref 4706); Thu, 15 Oct 2009 06:20:04 +0000 Received: (at 4706) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 15 Oct 2009 06:14:25 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.4 required=4.0 tests=AWL,HAS_BUG_NUMBER, X_DEBBUGS_NO_ACK autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n9F6ENfL027158 for <4706@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Wed, 14 Oct 2009 23:14:24 -0700 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1MyJbS-0008OT-WA; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 02:14:23 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: Stefan Monnier Cc: 4706@debbugs.gnu.org References: <4363-Mon12Oct2009122818+0100-jpff@cs.bath.ac.uk> X-Spook: AMEMB David John Oates diwn kibo advisors George W. Bush X-Ran: $jR|G]^x7PaL\J|-x5BsxQ.]*,7$uPDtTi=_0n]c[SFf&1sg0?1c1^~U1N`sL0+hJg(z}( X-Hue: yellow X-Attribution: GM Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 02:14:22 -0400 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Stefan Monnier wrote: >> Perhaps if new_alias has a 'saved-value property, and base_variable >> does not, Fdefvaralias could copy the property to base_variable? [...] > I think that extending defvaralias this way would be wrong, but I think it > would fit just fine in define-obsolete-variable-alias. What then to do about non-obsolete aliases to defcustoms? Such things are used eg in find-file, emacs-lisp/warnings.el, etc, and probably outside of Emacs. From unknown Sun Jun 22 03:58:06 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#4706: customize and aliaes Reply-To: Stefan Monnier , 4706@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs 2Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:35:09 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 4706 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 4706-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B4706.125562037229626 (code B ref 4706); Thu, 15 Oct 2009 15:35:09 +0000 Received: (at 4706) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 15 Oct 2009 15:26:12 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.0 required=4.0 tests=AWL,HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from chene.dit.umontreal.ca (chene.dit.umontreal.ca [132.204.246.20]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n9FFQA7G029611 for <4706@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 08:26:11 -0700 Received: from faina.iro.umontreal.ca (faina.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.26.177]) by chene.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n9FFQ9GU015239; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:26:09 -0400 Received: by faina.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 59A3D3A07F; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:26:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Glenn Morris Cc: 4706@debbugs.gnu.org Message-ID: References: <4363-Mon12Oct2009122818+0100-jpff@cs.bath.ac.uk> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 11:26:09 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Glenn Morris's message of "Thu, 15 Oct 2009 02:14:22 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 1 Rules triggered RV3385=0 >>> Perhaps if new_alias has a 'saved-value property, and base_variable >>> does not, Fdefvaralias could copy the property to base_variable? > [...] >> I think that extending defvaralias this way would be wrong, but I think it >> would fit just fine in define-obsolete-variable-alias. > What then to do about non-obsolete aliases to defcustoms? Depends on the intention between the alias, I guess. I mean: why does that variable need more than one non-obsolete name? Stefan From unknown Sun Jun 22 03:58:06 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#4706: customize and aliaes Reply-To: Glenn Morris , 4706@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Glenn Morris Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs 2Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 01:25:06 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 4706 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 4706-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B4706.125565581027469 (code B ref 4706); Fri, 16 Oct 2009 01:25:06 +0000 Received: (at 4706) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 16 Oct 2009 01:16:50 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.3 required=4.0 tests=AWL,FOURLA,HAS_BUG_NUMBER, X_DEBBUGS_NO_ACK autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n9G1Gm9A027465 for <4706@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 18:16:49 -0700 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1MybR2-0006ja-63; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:16:48 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: Stefan Monnier Cc: 4706@debbugs.gnu.org References: <4363-Mon12Oct2009122818+0100-jpff@cs.bath.ac.uk> X-Spook: Montenegro eavesdropping KGB ICE arrangements quarter X-Ran: `H5uOH[> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Stefan Monnier wrote: >> What then to do about non-obsolete aliases to defcustoms? > > Depends on the intention between the alias, I guess. > I mean: why does that variable need more than one non-obsolete name? I don't know. I can create `define-custom-variable-alias' that DTRT, and replace defvaralias with it where appropriate, if you like. From unknown Sun Jun 22 03:58:06 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#4706: customize and aliaes Reply-To: Stefan Monnier , 4706@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs 2Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 02:15:06 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 4706 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 4706-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B4706.12556587504142 (code B ref 4706); Fri, 16 Oct 2009 02:15:06 +0000 Received: (at 4706) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 16 Oct 2009 02:05:50 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=4.0 tests=AWL,FOURLA,HAS_BUG_NUMBER autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from ironport2-out.pppoe.ca (ironport2-out.teksavvy.com [206.248.154.181]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n9G25mFa004139 for <4706@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 19:05:50 -0700 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AswEACNy10pFpY7q/2dsb2JhbACBU9c2hDAEh3k X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,569,1249272000"; d="scan'208";a="47659400" Received: from 69-165-142-234.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([69.165.142.234]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP; 15 Oct 2009 22:05:42 -0400 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 0A8E17F87; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:05:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Glenn Morris Cc: 4706@debbugs.gnu.org Message-ID: References: <4363-Mon12Oct2009122818+0100-jpff@cs.bath.ac.uk> <3q3a5k16kf.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:05:42 -0400 In-Reply-To: <3q3a5k16kf.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (Glenn Morris's message of "Thu, 15 Oct 2009 21:16:48 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >>> What then to do about non-obsolete aliases to defcustoms? >> Depends on the intention between the alias, I guess. >> I mean: why does that variable need more than one non-obsolete name? > I don't know. > I can create `define-custom-variable-alias' that DTRT, and replace > defvaralias with it where appropriate, if you like. I'd rather wait for bug-reports before doing such a thing. Then we'll know better what needs to be done, Stefan From unknown Sun Jun 22 03:58:06 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#4706: customize and aliaes Reply-To: Glenn Morris , 4706@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Glenn Morris Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs 2Resent-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 06:55:06 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 4706 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 4706-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B4706.125567572420034 (code B ref 4706); Fri, 16 Oct 2009 06:55:06 +0000 Received: (at 4706) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 16 Oct 2009 06:48:44 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.4 required=4.0 tests=AWL,HAS_BUG_NUMBER, VALID_BTS_CONTROL,X_DEBBUGS_NO_ACK autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n9G6mhTx020030; Thu, 15 Oct 2009 23:48:44 -0700 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1MygcC-0006DX-B0; Fri, 16 Oct 2009 02:48:40 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: 4706@debbugs.gnu.org References: <4363-Mon12Oct2009122818+0100-jpff@cs.bath.ac.uk> <3q3a5k16kf.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-Spook: CipherTAC-2000 Downing Street import lynch DRM tempest X-Ran: J0(\DN\g>aO2^z)MNwKcVw"&KM'!9M(sW,Br#-LDwqPdm+.KkhG(IMEkb=P{54&)6!N';l X-Hue: red X-Attribution: GM Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2009 02:48:39 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Thu, 15 Oct 2009 22:05:42 -0400") Message-ID: <4jtyxzj0l4.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii submitter 4706 rgm@gnu.org severity 4706 minor stop Fixed for aliases defined via define-obsolete-variable-alias. AFAICS, the only possible remaining issue is: i) You have customized oldvar. ii) (defcustom oldvar ...) is replaced by (defvaralias 'oldvar 'newvar) (defcustom newvar ...) (in a non-dumped file) where oldvar is either not obsolete, or is made obsolete "by hand" rather than through define-obsolete-variable-alias. From unknown Sun Jun 22 03:58:06 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#4706: 23.1.50; RMAIL mode fails to read mail first time Reply-To: jpff , 4706@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: jpff Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs 2Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:25:05 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 4706 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 4706-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B4706.125604098821025 (code B ref 4706); Tue, 20 Oct 2009 12:25:05 +0000 Received: (at 4706) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 20 Oct 2009 12:16:28 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=4.0 tests=AWL,HAS_BUG_NUMBER, IMPRONONCABLE_1,MURPHY_WRONG_WORD1,MURPHY_WRONG_WORD2,SPF_HELO_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from air.cs.bath.ac.uk (air.cs.bath.ac.uk [138.38.108.3]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n9KCGQEG021022 for <4706@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Tue, 20 Oct 2009 05:16:27 -0700 Received: from [138.38.108.1] (helo=xenakis.cs.bath.ac.uk) by air.cs.bath.ac.uk with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N0DdT-0005M1-7V; Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:16:19 +0100 Received: from jpff by xenakis.cs.bath.ac.uk with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1N0DdS-0000NG-WF; Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:16:19 +0100 Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:16:18 +0100 Message-ID: <4363-Tue20Oct2009131618+0100-jpff@cs.bath.ac.uk> X-Mailer: emacs 23.1.50.12 (via feedmail 11-beta-1 I) From: jpff To: Glenn Morris CC: 4706@debbugs.gnu.org In-reply-to: (message from Glenn Morris on Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:32:49 -0400) References: <4363-Mon12Oct2009122818+0100-jpff@cs.bath.ac.uk> >>>>> "Glenn" == Glenn Morris writes: Glenn> jpff wrote: >> This started happening a few days ago. When I invoke rmail command it >> loads by RMAIL file and then asserts that there it cannot get the po: >> password, and there is no new mail. Glenn> [...] >> and the password is set >> (custom-set-variables >> '(rmail-pop-password-required t) >> '(rmail-pop-password "xxxxxxxx")) Glenn> This is probably my mistake. Does it work with 's/pop/remote/' in Glenn> those variables names? Not that I can determine. I added (custom-set-variables '(rmail-remote-password-required t) '(rmail-remote-password "xxxxxxxx")) but it behaved just the same. I am wondering if it could be to exactly when the rmail-mode-hook is obeyed? ==John ffitch From unknown Sun Jun 22 03:58:06 2025 X-Loop: owner@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com Subject: bug#4706: 23.1.50; RMAIL mode fails to read mail first time Reply-To: Glenn Morris , 4706@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-From: Glenn Morris Resent-To: bug-submit-list@lists.donarmstrong.com Resent-CC: Emacs Bugs 2Resent-Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:40:06 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-Emacs-PR-Message: followup 4706 X-Emacs-PR-Package: emacs X-Emacs-PR-Keywords: Received: via spool by 4706-submit@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com id=B4706.125606359112202 (code B ref 4706); Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:40:06 +0000 Received: (at 4706) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 20 Oct 2009 18:33:11 +0000 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.7 required=4.0 tests=AWL,FOURLA,HAS_BUG_NUMBER, IMPRONONCABLE_1,MURPHY_WRONG_WORD1,MURPHY_WRONG_WORD2,X_DEBBUGS_NO_ACK autolearn=ham version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [140.186.70.10]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n9KIX9qX012198 for <4706@emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com>; Tue, 20 Oct 2009 11:33:10 -0700 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1N0JW7-0004HK-H7; Tue, 20 Oct 2009 14:33:07 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: jpff Cc: 4706@debbugs.gnu.org References: <4363-Mon12Oct2009122818+0100-jpff@cs.bath.ac.uk> <4363-Tue20Oct2009131618+0100-jpff@cs.bath.ac.uk> X-Spook: JSOFC3IP Arnett CDC White House CIA explosion George W. X-Ran: ^RWh!juH3qxu:e~l.JV%v>;"P=u\`%"?2r|@fbDOW?~^?AVNIQ: (jpff@cs.bath.ac.uk's message of "Tue, 20 Oct 2009 13:16:18 +0100") Message-ID: <97ws2p7w64.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii jpff wrote: > I added > > (custom-set-variables > '(rmail-remote-password-required t) > '(rmail-remote-password "xxxxxxxx")) > > but it behaved just the same. I am wondering if it could be to > exactly when the rmail-mode-hook is obeyed? Literally "added"? You may have only one custom-set-variables section. I'm afraid it works for me with a .emacs consisting of just: (setq rmail-primary-inbox-list '("po:USERNAME")) (setenv "MAILHOST" "MAIL.SERVER") (custom-set-variables '(rmail-remote-password-required t) '(rmail-remote-password "PASSWORD")) BTW, this is all rather obsolete. The modern method would be: (setq rmail-primary-inbox-list '("pop://USERNAME:PASSWORD@MAIL.SERVER")) But either method works fine for me. Why do you think rmail-mode-hook has anything to do with this? 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